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On December 13 2010 09:33 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
if decon pm'd people he's pretty much not a lynch factor anymore. I'd like the town to focus on either ilovejonn or aidnai. I think most people feel pretty good about either of them I'd just like a final decision to be made so I can tell annul.
If it's between only those two, I'd say lynch aidnai because being new here I can sympathize with another newbie  .
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1)Your main argument is lack of contribution. As RoL pointed out, there are only perhaps three players who had contributed anything substantive at that point. And I believe I have contributed now, with my analysis of beneather.
*Illusion of contribution.
Illusion of contribution is a good way to find scum. Scum try to pretend to be active without actually saying anything
I'm looking at Ver's Analysis of Protactium
2)You failed to show that any of my posts could not have a townie motivation for posting them. Wut?
3)You even put words into my mouth. I never said RNG a mayor, and I don't recall anyone else saying that either. Right here
On the other hand, if we vote for 'someone who will listen to the town', we might as well forget there even is a MoM. Just RNG a mayor, vote as normal for a lynch, lynch the mayor day 2 if he fails to comply. The thing is, at this time, everyone was talking about how we should vote for 'someone who will listen to the town'. You were assuming that people would take up your idea.
4)Smurfs
Annul told us to drop it, so I'm dropping it. Talking about smurfs is a great way to get postcounts for my Reaver thou
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##VOTE LYNCH LSB I gotta go with my first impression here.
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Wasn't the night suppose to be posted an hour ago just wondering?
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Hey, Jackal58, I don't think voting on first impression is a very good idea. There are also people that are saying you are pretty fishy. I'd like to hear what your defenses are. You haven't really posted ANYTHING other than asking some questions, then changing your MoM vote to Meapak after I did, as well as lynching LSB with no reason at all.
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On December 13 2010 10:10 Beneather wrote:
Wasn't the night suppose to be posted an hour ago just wondering?
We still have about 45 minutes... I'd like to wait as long as I can to hear from as many people as possible.
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[b]Vote: Aidnai[b/]
[spoiler]Vote early and often![/spoiler]
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Hey, Jackal58, I don't think voting on first impression is a very good idea. There are also people that are saying you are pretty fishy. I'd like to hear what your defenses are. You haven't really posted ANYTHING other than asking some questions, then changing your MoM vote to Meapak after I did, as well as lynching LSB with no reason at all.[/QUOTE]
The entire premise of a "secret vote". But I said that already.
I didn't pay much attention to who changed their vote before I did. I changed it due to deconduo's lack of posting after he announced his candidacy.
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Sorry. Quote fail
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#Vote: Aidnai
It looks like he is the most suspicious.
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The points stated in past posts are good points and I agree with them. I have nothing really against anyone else.
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Meapak, if you decide to lynch me I will flip town oriented. You will know that I am being sincere when I say I believe LSB and beneather are both scum. You should also trust RoL a little more.
Please read my analysis of beneather and consider lynching him instead of me. He is a better lynch target.
I'm not going down without a fight though.
LSB, you are still twisting what I said about RNG'ing a mayor. I never suggested doing it. I was saying that having a mayor who would listen to a town vote would be equivalent to not having a mayor at all. In which case, why bother deciding who is mayor at all? While orgolove would probably prefer this, I think it is a waste and a bad way to go since the whole point of having a mayor in this setup was something to talk about/do day one.
Again, I never advocated RNG. I used that specifically to put down the idea of a mayor who would just listen to a town vote.
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On December 13 2010 10:22 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +Hey, Jackal58, I don't think voting on first impression is a very good idea. There are also people that are saying you are pretty fishy. I'd like to hear what your defenses are. You haven't really posted ANYTHING other than asking some questions, then changing your MoM vote to Meapak after I did, as well as lynching LSB with no reason at all. The entire premise of a "secret vote". But I said that already. I didn't pay much attention to who changed their vote before I did. I changed it due to deconduo's lack of posting after he announced his candidacy.
On December 13 2010 03:48 LSB wrote:1) I've always been open about how I will be accountable for not manipulating the vote Show nested quote +On December 11 2010 11:38 LSB wrote:What will I do as mayor I will hold a secrete ballot for the first elections. And I will post who voted for who afterwards. You know, mafia loves to redirect the first election? This will make it harder for them to. This is important for many reasons. Say we're going to lynch inactives. One is mafia, one is town Mafia: "Yo! Lets bandwagon this guy!" Town: "We'll their both inactive so I guess I'll vote for the town" Annul: "You guys lynched a townie. Sheep =P" Now. Imagine my system LSB: "Person A and Person B are inactive, please send me pm for who you vote for" Town sends PMs. Each person has about a 50% chance of dieng. Mafia doesn't have that much influence. Annul: "This person is mafia! Woot Woot!" In addition, I will not be able to influence the vote because I will post who voted for who afterwards. So if you see something messed up, you can call me out of it. (Of course, this also means that we got a great way to catch mafia). Show nested quote +On December 11 2010 12:10 LSB wrote:On December 11 2010 12:04 CubEdIn wrote:On December 11 2010 11:58 LSB wrote:On December 11 2010 11:51 CubEdIn wrote:On December 11 2010 11:38 LSB wrote:What will I do as mayor I will hold a secrete ballot for the first elections. And I will post who voted for who afterwards. You know, mafia loves to redirect the first election? This will make it harder for them to. This is important for many reasons. Say we're going to lynch inactives. One is mafia, one is town Mafia: "Yo! Lets bandwagon this guy!" Town: "We'll their both inactive so I guess I'll vote for the town" Annul: "You guys lynched a townie. Sheep =P" Now. Imagine my system LSB: "Person A and Person B are inactive, please send me pm for who you vote for" Town sends PMs. Each person has about a 50% chance of dieng. Mafia doesn't have that much influence. Annul: "This person is mafia! Woot Woot!" In addition, I will not be able to influence the vote because I will post who voted for who afterwards. So if you see something messed up, you can call me out of it. (Of course, this also means that we got a great way to catch mafia). Let me tell you the loophole in your plan there, buddy. Say you're mafia. People choose two people to lynch, townie and mafia. You rig the "anonymous" votes and lynch the townie, even though most people voted for the mafia. You can never be checked/blamed for that since people agreed to secret votes. So yeah, that's not gonna be in the best interest of town IMO. In addition, I will not be able to influence the vote because I will post who voted for who afterwards. So if you see something messed up, you can call me out of it. (Of course, this also means that we got a great way to catch mafia). People will be like, "YOU ARE WRONG!" if I try to manipulate votes. Oh right, I didn't read that part, but it still gives you a certain degree of manipulation by hiding some mafia votes, if you are mafia. Like say the townie is winning by 7 votes, you switch 3 of the mafia votes to hide them, the difference is less significant, town is more confused. Just saying tho, I don't really care since it's just one night. Firstly, vote manipulation is always done by the mafia. In public it can be done easily. All the mafia has to do is make sure they either vote for other people or push a townie bandwagon. In private, they won't be able to predict who is going to be lynched. Secondly, if I'm mafia, you can examine the votes a wee bit more carefully. This way you'll have a better indication of who is mafia. See? Even if I'm mafia it's better for you! Thirdly, I'll accept someone to be the 'auditor' who also recieves votes Show nested quote +On December 11 2010 12:47 LSB wrote:On December 11 2010 12:17 Beneather wrote:On December 11 2010 12:14 Thegilaboy wrote:On December 11 2010 12:10 LSB wrote:On December 11 2010 12:04 CubEdIn wrote:On December 11 2010 11:58 LSB wrote:On December 11 2010 11:51 CubEdIn wrote:On December 11 2010 11:38 LSB wrote:What will I do as mayor I will hold a secrete ballot for the first elections. And I will post who voted for who afterwards. You know, mafia loves to redirect the first election? This will make it harder for them to. This is important for many reasons. Say we're going to lynch inactives. One is mafia, one is town Mafia: "Yo! Lets bandwagon this guy!" Town: "We'll their both inactive so I guess I'll vote for the town" Annul: "You guys lynched a townie. Sheep =P" Now. Imagine my system LSB: "Person A and Person B are inactive, please send me pm for who you vote for" Town sends PMs. Each person has about a 50% chance of dieng. Mafia doesn't have that much influence. Annul: "This person is mafia! Woot Woot!" In addition, I will not be able to influence the vote because I will post who voted for who afterwards. So if you see something messed up, you can call me out of it. (Of course, this also means that we got a great way to catch mafia). Let me tell you the loophole in your plan there, buddy. Say you're mafia. People choose two people to lynch, townie and mafia. You rig the "anonymous" votes and lynch the townie, even though most people voted for the mafia. You can never be checked/blamed for that since people agreed to secret votes. So yeah, that's not gonna be in the best interest of town IMO. In addition, I will not be able to influence the vote because I will post who voted for who afterwards. So if you see something messed up, you can call me out of it. (Of course, this also means that we got a great way to catch mafia). People will be like, "YOU ARE WRONG!" if I try to manipulate votes. Oh right, I didn't read that part, but it still gives you a certain degree of manipulation by hiding some mafia votes, if you are mafia. Like say the townie is winning by 7 votes, you switch 3 of the mafia votes to hide them, the difference is less significant, town is more confused. Just saying tho, I don't really care since it's just one night. Firstly, vote manipulation is always done by the mafia. In public it can be done easily. All the mafia has to do is make sure they either vote for other people or push a townie bandwagon. In private, they won't be able to predict who is going to be lynched. Secondly, if I'm mafia, you can examine the votes a wee bit more carefully. This way you'll have a better indication of who is mafia. See? Even if I'm mafia it's better for you! Thirdly, I'll accept someone to be the 'auditor' who also recieves votes Would we vote for this auditor too, or would you be picking them? What is this auditor position and what is it worth to us? Whatever it is it should be voted from the town, if the MoM does choose it could be a fellow Mafia and both would have the biggest influence on the town. How about 2nd place in the mayor elections become with auditor? Here's how I imagine it would work. I would compare the votes that I get with the Auditor. If there is any discrepancies we can release it to the public/point out why. It further ensures the integrity of the private voting elections. Why private vote? Public vote is easily manipulated by the mafia. You will still be getting the same information, just our Day 1 vote will have a higher chance of hitting a mafia. + Show Spoiler +
If the town really really wants it, I can host alternative forms of votes.
Normal Voting
Reasoned Voting- You must give a good reason for your vote for it to be counted.
Runoff Elections- This way we get more information about people's voting patterns
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Again, I don't have a clear lynch choice. But I want to ask Aidnai if he can prove his innocence with his role. If he can and promise to do so within maybe a day of game time, then we should give him the chance to prove himself.
Pandain's sudden post after Meapak calling him out as a lynch possibility is weird. Pandain in all other mafia games tends to be more talkative.
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On December 13 2010 10:32 LunarDestiny wrote:
Again, I don't have a clear lynch choice. But I want to ask Aidnai if he can prove his innocence with his role. If he can and promise to do so within maybe a day of game time, then we should give him the chance to prove himself.
Pandain's sudden post after Meapak calling him out as a lynch possibility is weird. Pandain in all other mafia games tends to be more talkative.
I think at this point he really has not much of a choice other than a roleclaim - or at least a character name claim.
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On December 13 2010 10:32 LunarDestiny wrote:
Again, I don't have a clear lynch choice. But I want to ask Aidnai if he can prove his innocence with his role. If he can and promise to do so within maybe a day of game time, then we should give him the chance to prove himself.
Pandain's sudden post after Meapak calling him out as a lynch possibility is weird. Pandain in all other mafia games tends to be more talkative.
To his defense he's the most vocal when he's scum, so this isn't much of a surprise. (Check Salem mafia)
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On December 13 2010 10:35 zeks wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2010 10:32 LunarDestiny wrote:
Again, I don't have a clear lynch choice. But I want to ask Aidnai if he can prove his innocence with his role. If he can and promise to do so within maybe a day of game time, then we should give him the chance to prove himself.
Pandain's sudden post after Meapak calling him out as a lynch possibility is weird. Pandain in all other mafia games tends to be more talkative. I think at this point he really has not much of a choice other than a roleclaim - or at least a character name claim.
You can't character name claim.
I PMed Annul, he said that you can hint, but it has to apply to more than one character. Also I would run by any character name claims through him before actually doing it.
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