BC and RoL: Salem Mafia - Page 60

On December 06 2010 03:22 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Does anyone else find the extremely blatant bandwagon of youngminii a bit odd? I mean, I understand the reasoning behind why the mafia wouldn't want to come to his defense at all, because he is obviously going to be lynched. It just seems to easy. He does seem to be scum though, so there's no reason not to vote for him I guess.

On November 17 2010 21:19 youngminii wrote:
i feel retarded after what happened in protect yo village

On November 26 2010 20:31 youngminii wrote:
wifom can be so much simpler than that

think about this statement:

i am not a witch

On November 28 2010 08:36 youngminii wrote:
hi

On November 28 2010 08:50 youngminii wrote:
lol DrH, role fishing like that in a learning game, not a very cool move.

Out of Kenpachi and BB who seem to be the lynch candidates (besides me kinda) I'd have to go for Kenpachi. I don't really want to vote for any of them but Kenpachi's cluelessness/reluctance to defend himself is more worrying than the reasons against BB.

Sorry

On November 30 2010 18:50 youngminii wrote:
Just so everyone knows in case DrH turns up as scum or something and tries to do something sneaky (which I doubt will happen anyway), I roleclaimed to him. Obviously I'm not going to say what my role is but chyeah there you go. I believe that being transparent about most things is better than keeping everything in secret PM networks and all that crap.

Right now I get the feeling that Kenpachi is indeed scum, and given BB's death last night and all the suspicion around Kenpachi, some/most of the scum have gone and decided to bus him. I mean, hell, he has a LOT of votes on him without any counter target, which means the mafia have given up on him. I don't like the abstain votes so I guess we'll have to keep an eye on them in the future.

On December 02 2010 17:35 youngminii wrote:
lol
wow

how the hell did our healers die

On December 02 2010 17:37 youngminii wrote:
wait

wait

wait

drh knows 2 healers
2 healers die
drh does not have an appropriate excuse
drh dies

why is this not happening

On December 02 2010 23:07 youngminii wrote:
I honestly think everyone that's going against Radfield should read the above post, twice, and reconsider your decision.

On December 04 2010 23:30 youngminii wrote:
This game is fucking horrible, DrH has the entire town on his leash.


When the flying fuck did you ask me to claim DT. I go and claim in the thread that I roleclaimed to you, which is MORE than enough to cast suspicious light on me for preparation of the late game. Then you go on like a chimpanzee and say to the entire thread "GUYS, MEDICS, YOU NEED TO PROTECT YOUNGMINII"
Are you serious? For one thing, that's wasting a medic save. For another, that's making scum veer away from me, I'm protected so why would they hit me? This thinly veiled crap of yours makes no sense whatsoever. In fact, it might have made the tiniest bit of sense if you had planned that for the late game but then you go and reveal my roleclaim to the entire town. Can you guys seriously not see how corrupt this 'town leader' is?
What's wrong with 2 bodyguards in a THIRTY person game? I'm sure there are fishier roleclaims, but the mafia can handle all the other blue roles, the bodyguards must be dealt with via town to maximise mafia KP. Don't tell me you guys can't see this. I urge you, vig, kill this scum.

No hard feelings DrH.

On November 26 2010 23:29 Radfield wrote:



Lets hope they did a better job of balancing than that I think 6 mafia in a 30 player game is pretty standard (at least, 4 in a 20 player game is fairly standard). A likely KP of 3 to start with(normal formula is mafia #/2 rounded up). Add in a miller and a traitor, and we're probably looking at between 5 and 7 blue roles. As far as what those blue roles may be, I don't know, and it doesn't matter all that much. We get what we get.



Town circles are tricky, and should always be conducted on a need to know basis. We have both a miller and godfather, which severely slows down a potential Town Circle. If you're a dt, no one needs to know you're a dt until you find a red, and at that point you can go through an intermediary (someone you've already checked, who is likely[though not certainly] town aligned) and get them to speak up in the thread. The identity of the dt is biggest secret that needs to be kept.

Once the godfather goes down, the town circle will become immensely powerful. Keep in mind though, that the ONLY way to catch the godfather is through post analysis, and that as long as the gf is alive, the town circle is flawed. Hence, we need to focus on post analysis first, and town circles second.


I don't think there are any (good) hard and fast rules for dealing with roleclaiming in thread. Each needs to be dealt with on a case by case basis. If someone roleclaims out of the blue, that needs to be dealt with very differently then someone roleclaiming on death row.

We don't necessarily need to worry about the medics and dt's just yet. The mafia have all day to choose who will be the godfather, so offering the dt options at this point is somewhat useless. Doctors go with their gut or anyone they think is particularly valuable.

The role that really needs to be discussed is the Paranoid Villager(vigilante). Do NOT fire until there is good reason to do so. A well timed vig shot can be very, very useful as the game progresses, because it can give the town what amounts to a double lynch. eg. you have 2 lynch candidates on day 3, instead of overly worrying about who to kill, you simply lynch one and vig the other during the night. This saves both a lynch, and a potential dt check.

As far as Vet and Mad Hatter, there are lots of options for sneaky plays to draw hits, but you don't necessarily need to get carried away. Reasoned discussion and good posting is normally enough to get shot.

On November 27 2010 12:33 Radfield wrote:



You aren't coming out directly and saying it, but you're certainly insinuating it.
He tries to imply that DoctorH wants people to roleclaim to him, when he tries to give a few ideas for possible town circle. This is kind of understandable though as DoctorH was trying to imply that if there is going to be a town circle, he is the best coordinator which he has proven to be.





Also, your story doesn't match up:



No mention of Shutting up etc
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I realize this isn't much, but come on... you only told us 1 single detail about your PM conversation, but then when you show us the convo it's not there? What are we really supposed to think?? Care to explain?
This is kind of suspicious as he tries to paint DoctorH red for leaving out some details of his pm. He just seems to be grasping at straws here and trying to make DrH look red.

On November 27 2010 21:38 Radfield wrote:
OK, we're running out of time here. There's absolutely no reason that people should be able to coast through Day 1.

Voting Pandain until he posts some content, then moving down the list of people who i know should be posting more content. If Day 1 becomes about pressure votes, so be it. We can't analyse posts if there are none....

5. Scaramanga
6. Kenpachi
7. Amber[light
11. youngminii
15. deconduo

Seems to me that Kenpachi should almost certainly be checked or lynched, as his alignment gives us some quality info. Assuming he flips red, that gives us EsbenPM, Southrawrea, Aeres and ghrur as the final votes coming down the wire. Aeres with the all important switched vote becomes highly suspicious(yes he voted for KP earlier, but it was just a placeholder). The other BB voters are Pandain, DrH and Jimboslivers. If he flips green, it's a dead end since both would be townies and the mafia would likely be split between them.

On November 30 2010 22:30 Radfield wrote:
OK, this day is in danger of becoming a total waste. Yes, if Kenpachi flips red, that's fantastic and we lynch Aeres next due to the vote flip-flop(unless someone has a convincing argument against). If Kenpachi flips blue(as he's claiming) not only do we lose a blue, but we lose an entire day to inactivity.
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Assuming Amber is telling the truth, ghrur called out 5 players towards the end of the night:

Barunder ---> died that night, why bother to put him on the list if he ghrur knows he is about to die?
Protactinium---> heaps a bit of extra suspicion on top
Node ---> adds in that he is 'quiet'
KtheZ--->nothing
Youngminii--->adds in that he is 'quiet'

This gives all of these players at least an ounce of credibility, but not much more than that yet. It's pretty standard that mafia generally stick 1 or 2 fellow mafia in lists like this.

Dr H, you seem almost surely town at this point, as you continue to brazenly spotlight yourself. In fact, it seems to me like you are screaming out to be hit right now, which makes me hope you are a vet/hatter. Looking at what you've said so far, presumably you have
a hatter+ Show Spoiler +, a dt + Show Spoiler +, and a medic. Presumably another townie or blue role from the dt check, unless he decided to check you before telling you his alignment. Anyways, you've been throwing a lot of statements into the thread without a lot of reasoning(which isn't a bad thing), but that doesn't really get us anywhere. I think either keep those things to PM's, or really hit us with some reasoning.
After all the attacks on DoctorH, he admits that he is a townie at this point of the game. I know that opinions can change, but that just seems to be rather convenient as it would be useless for him to try and attack DoctorH at this point as town already believes that he is probably town-aligned. So after all his attacks on DrH, he just backs off when he know that he's not getting anymore.

Anyways, the kenpachi lynch is a done deal, as it should be. The potential gain from his lynch far outweighs any potential loss. That being said, lets take the time now to discuss where we go after the lynch. No reason to waste the rest of the day.

Also:+ Show Spoiler +

Scumhunting made easy?.... or just a really bad townie
Tries to paint annul red for not caring too much about the game which is understandable, but it could also be an easy bandwagon for mafia just like Aeres in insane

On December 03 2010 03:26 Radfield wrote:
Whether we agree or disagree as to what your posts were insuating Dr H, the fact stands that you received many Day 1 roleclaims(which i would contend is because you were "soft-asking" for them). That was exactly what I was opposing, and surely you agree that it was sound advice I was giving. It's beside the point though. I don't suspect you, and even if I did I agree with Pandain that we're in too deep.

Also, guilty as charged on the PM front. I have played 2 prior games(not including Callers unbalanced Rotk game) with PMs and they have been far and away my worst games. Both games I was buffaloed by Mafia, and both games I was a detriment to the town. I am not nearly as strong at PM games, which is partly why I don't play them. Players have different strengths.
Tries to excuse his bad play

As far as i can tell, there was no bandwagon on Annul other than the one i tried to start. Between Pandains post and mine, there was very little talk at all about him. Given the fact that you keep defending him, without a lot of reasoning in my eyes, I am willing to drop Annul. You have the role-claims, and you have the town-circle, so it would be silly to push against you. For all I know i'm trying to lynch the dt...
Again drops his attack when he noticed that no one was listening to him

As far as other targets, I still have yet to read your analysis of JS. Other players are as follows:

Townies: Pandain, Dr H, Southrawrea

Likely have roles: Youngminii, Artanis,

Most scummy: Node(why is he not on your short list), Kavdragon, glasse, esben

Currently Aeres does not strike me as mafia, but i will look again at his posts.
Protact seems as likely to be modkilled as mafia. If he hangs around with his current level of activity, popping on to vote and nothing else, he should be eventually lynched. No rush here though.

Kavdragon makes it on the list by virtue of this PM I received:



I need to go back to work, but will post much more later. Mafia-hunting takes time, and we still have plenty for this day. Will be on tonight.

On December 06 2010 06:39 annul wrote:
esben, what is your role