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annul
United States2841 Posts
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Eiii
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annul
United States2841 Posts
i never claimed vet | ||
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
On December 05 2010 11:23 annul wrote: ? i never claimed vet He isn't talking about you. Are you saying your post was a coincidence and not an indirect attack on young? On December 05 2010 10:09 annul wrote: of course, but behavioral analysis is much better when i have something to go on. for example if i know someone claimed vet and they are acting timid as fuck i know something is not right | ||
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annul
United States2841 Posts
but if that is what he did and if that is how he is acting, i definitely understand the suspicion now! | ||
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youngminii
Australia7514 Posts
In any case, I'm the vet. Think about it seriously, what the fuck is wrong with having 2 vets in a 30 person game? | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
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Qatol
United States3165 Posts
Then yell at him! Go forth, my minion! | ||
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youngminii
Australia7514 Posts
Not a direct accusation (yet) but I haven't heard much from you this game, as I'm sure most people haven't heard from me. What I'm wondering is why am I being spotlighted and you aren't? Is it because I roleclaimed to DrH and he decided to reveal me after I already gained some initial suspicion? Then why aren't you gaining any of this 'initial' suspicion, are you allied with a certain group? Is it safe to say you didn't roleclaim to DrH, why would that be? Perhaps it's because you're a green, or some important blue like a DT, or a red. Eagerly awaiting your response  | ||
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annul
United States2841 Posts
drh suspected ym i am gonna go along with that. kavdragon agrees. so we are gonna drop two on his face right now in the voting thread. suggest all townies to follow suit. | ||
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annul
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KtheZ
United States813 Posts
On December 05 2010 13:04 youngminii wrote: In any case, I'd like the hear from KtheZ. Not a direct accusation (yet) but I haven't heard much from you this game, as I'm sure most people haven't heard from me. What I'm wondering is why am I being spotlighted and you aren't? Is it because I roleclaimed to DrH and he decided to reveal me after I already gained some initial suspicion? Then why aren't you gaining any of this 'initial' suspicion, are you allied with a certain group? Is it safe to say you didn't roleclaim to DrH, why would that be? Perhaps it's because you're a green, or some important blue like a DT, or a red. Eagerly awaiting your response I did roleclaim to DrH, of course I wasnt one of the people who did it in the beginning (/annoy). Why would I be spotlighted? O.o I am not allied with a certain group, whatever this group is. Uh, "because im green, blue, or red?" Well yeah, I'm obviously one of those. I dont think we have any more DTs or medics left, do we.... | ||
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annul
United States2841 Posts
does this mean that it only drops to 1 when there is 1 witch left? | ||
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BloodyC0bbler
Canada7875 Posts
On December 05 2010 14:09 annul wrote: "Witch killing power is 2 until there are less than 2 witches." does this mean that it only drops to 1 when there is 1 witch left? correct | ||
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
Kenpachi-5 DTA (lynched that day) JimboSilvers youngminii Radfiel Eiii When Kenpachi claimed medic, mafia knew he was telling the truth, and thus would be most resistant to changing the lynch target. With only a half an hour away from lynching a medic, they would be in no hurry to move off. Interestingly enough, here sits jimbo with our two major supspects young and Radfield. | ||
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Node
United States2159 Posts
On November 26 2010 20:31 youngminii wrote: wifom can be so much simpler than that think about this statement: i am not a witch On November 28 2010 08:50 youngminii wrote: lol DrH, role fishing like that in a learning game, not a very cool move. Out of Kenpachi and BB who seem to be the lynch candidates (besides me kinda) I'd have to go for Kenpachi. I don't really want to vote for any of them but Kenpachi's cluelessness/reluctance to defend himself is more worrying than the reasons against BB. Sorry  He's one of the first people to say that DrH is role fishing, which could be construed as scummy, but personally I don't think it's really an indication one way or the other. He debates between Kenpachi and BrownBear, both of which we assume mafia thought of as townies at that point in the game. On November 29 2010 03:31 youngminii wrote: It wouldn't be possible to pass on the DT role to someone else, would it? I don't feel right, knowing that our DT was a jackass and how we lost the role just like that. I'm with Pandain on the whole Kenpachi/BB thing. I don't believe that scum would let the votes get that close without any drastic/obvious last minute changes. Also, while I agree that Kenpachi is probably not a green, I don't see anything pointing towards him being a CE. Innocent until proven guilty, right? First paragraph is inconclusive. It's a pro-town sentiment, but something the mafia could easily say without risk. It's the second paragraph I find interesting. Let's fast-forward a post... On November 30 2010 18:50 youngminii wrote: Just so everyone knows in case DrH turns up as scum or something and tries to do something sneaky (which I doubt will happen anyway), I roleclaimed to him. Obviously I'm not going to say what my role is but chyeah there you go. I believe that being transparent about most things is better than keeping everything in secret PM networks and all that crap. Right now I get the feeling that Kenpachi is indeed scum, and given BB's death last night and all the suspicion around Kenpachi, some/most of the scum have gone and decided to bus him. I mean, hell, he has a LOT of votes on him without any counter target, which means the mafia have given up on him. I don't like the abstain votes so I guess we'll have to keep an eye on them in the future. So much weird stuff going on here. Lots of flip-flopping on youngminii's part. About a day back he accused DrH of role-fishing, now he seems to be on-board with the circle. Later, he says that the "easiest way to win is to roleclaim to DrH". After DrH dies, youngminii says that Doc "played horribly". More importantly, he seems to have completely changed his mind about Kenpachi. He talks about the mafia having bussed him and generally acts like his death is set in stone, which I find a very scummy action. Don't bother trying to find another target, clearly mafia have given up on him, just don't question the vote and move on, am I right? He also mentions keeping an eye on abstaining voters, which I never saw him bring up again. Note that not long after this, people switched en masse from Kenpachi (medic) to DTA (townie) due to Kenpachi's claim. Notable people staying on Kenpachi include JimboSilvers, Radfield, and youngminii, all of which are either scum or highly suspicious people. Kenpachi died that night. In itself it isn't conclusive evidence, but combined with youngminii's opinion-swapping I find it practically damning. On December 01 2010 10:58 youngminii wrote: This is exactly why PM games are fucking retarded. Wouldn't have joined if I had known. With that aside, I understand why it was 'necessary' to move votes from Kenpachi but seriously, DTA? There was nothing scummy at all about him. If you're gonna make a last minute switch, do it wisely enough so that you don't let mafia dictate who you get to switch to. Oh well, town's in the lead anyway. Honestly, the easiest way to win this game is for everyone to just roleclaim to DrH. I'm not even kidding, PM games are so retarded that if you do this it's an insta-win. What a convenient thing to say after the fact. He gets why Kenpachi couldn't die, but it's not like he changed his vote. His commentary on the actions add absolutely nothing to the game -- just giving advice to the town without backing it up with action. On December 02 2010 17:37 youngminii wrote: wait wait wait drh knows 2 healers 2 healers die drh does not have an appropriate excuse drh dies why is this not happening Puts suspicion on DrH. We all know now that Doc was town, but a lot of people were suspicious of him at the time and I can't in good conscience say that this is a scummy sentiment. It's worth noting that he never moves his vote off Doc. On December 02 2010 23:07 youngminii wrote: I honestly think everyone that's going against Radfield should read the above post, twice, and reconsider your decision. Defends Radfield pretty hard. If either of these two turn up scum it's going to be pretty obvious what color the other is. On December 04 2010 23:30 youngminii wrote: This game is fucking horrible, DrH has the entire town on his leash. When the flying fuck did you ask me to claim DT. I go and claim in the thread that I roleclaimed to you, which is MORE than enough to cast suspicious light on me for preparation of the late game. Then you go on like a chimpanzee and say to the entire thread "GUYS, MEDICS, YOU NEED TO PROTECT YOUNGMINII" Are you serious? For one thing, that's wasting a medic save. For another, that's making scum veer away from me, I'm protected so why would they hit me? This thinly veiled crap of yours makes no sense whatsoever. In fact, it might have made the tiniest bit of sense if you had planned that for the late game but then you go and reveal my roleclaim to the entire town. Can you guys seriously not see how corrupt this 'town leader' is? What's wrong with 2 bodyguards in a THIRTY person game? I'm sure there are fishier roleclaims, but the mafia can handle all the other blue roles, the bodyguards must be dealt with via town to maximise mafia KP. Don't tell me you guys can't see this. I urge you, vig, kill this scum. No hard feelings DrH. I love how he goes from "best way to win is to roleclaim to DrH" to "This game is fucking horrible, DrH has the entire town on his leash" as soon as Doc starts putting suspicion on him. On December 04 2010 23:41 youngminii wrote: 1. no i'm not, i never play behind the scenes as scum 2. i don't direct anyone to do anything AS YOU SHOULD KNOW by modding that game where i was scum 3. are you using the metagame to accuse me? didn't i try the same thing last time against you and epically fail? Kinda funny how he goes from using the metagame to defend himself to saying that using the metagame as an accusation is a bad idea. On December 05 2010 12:33 youngminii wrote: DrH played so horribly I don't even.. In any case, I'm the vet. Think about it seriously, what the fuck is wrong with having 2 vets in a 30 person game? His only real defense is that his role is one that might exist. How about how you played? The way you voted? Who you talked to, and why? On December 05 2010 13:04 youngminii wrote: In any case, I'd like the hear from KtheZ. Not a direct accusation (yet) but I haven't heard much from you this game, as I'm sure most people haven't heard from me. What I'm wondering is why am I being spotlighted and you aren't? Is it because I roleclaimed to DrH and he decided to reveal me after I already gained some initial suspicion? Then why aren't you gaining any of this 'initial' suspicion, are you allied with a certain group? Is it safe to say you didn't roleclaim to DrH, why would that be? Perhaps it's because you're a green, or some important blue like a DT, or a red. Eagerly awaiting your response And now he attempts to move suspicion on to another player, still without a proper defense of himself. He says it's not a direct accusation, but what better way to get himself and Radfield out of the spotlight than to drag in somebody completely unrelated to the goings-on so far? Yeah, I'ma vote youngminii. | ||
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chaoser
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
Youngminii is good enough to be active and draw a hit, yet has played like he's a detective(or red) instead of like a vet. The other pressing issue in my mind is this: Obviously the town circle is breached. First the hidden medic, and then the hidden Detective. Dr H and Amber are both dead. This leaves a big giant hole in the town circle, with only one person remaining: Southrawrea. My question is why is he still alive?? Everyone knew he was in the circle, so why is he still standing? Why kill Pandain and not him? Any thoughts on this SR? | ||
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Kavdragon
United States1251 Posts
On December 06 2010 02:13 Radfield wrote: Voting Youngminii. Youngminii is good enough to be active and draw a hit, yet has played like he's a detective(or red) instead of like a vet. The other pressing issue in my mind is this: Obviously the town circle is breached. First the hidden medic, and then the hidden Detective. Dr H and Amber are both dead. This leaves a big giant hole in the town circle, with only one person remaining: Southrawrea. My question is why is he still alive?? Everyone knew he was in the circle, so why is he still standing? Why kill Pandain and not him? Any thoughts on this SR? Fistly, yes, I would like to hear more from SR. Secondly, If SR was mafia, why did the mafia hit two medics, and a townie? It'd be much better to hit the DT that he was in obvious contact with, right? | ||
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
On December 06 2010 02:13 Radfield wrote: Voting Youngminii. Youngminii is good enough to be active and draw a hit, yet has played like he's a detective(or red) instead of like a vet. The other pressing issue in my mind is this: Obviously the town circle is breached. First the hidden medic, and then the hidden Detective. Dr H and Amber are both dead. This leaves a big giant hole in the town circle, with only one person remaining: Southrawrea. My question is why is he still alive?? Everyone knew he was in the circle, so why is he still standing? Why kill Pandain and not him? Any thoughts on this SR? Is it just me, or have Jimbo and Young been awful friendly towards you Radfield? Take the previous lynch, for example. The vote is 6-0 against you and Jimbo feels that is the perfect time to go off on DrH and basically admit he is scum. Wouldn't it have been better just to lay low and take the much easier route of just hitting him at night? The chances of sucessfully lynching DrH at that point were rather slim. Unless he was trying to draw attention off his Elder? As for young, first off, he directly defends you at the 6-0 vote mark. Yesterday, at point where he is probably going to be lynched, he needed to find a better target. Knowing there plenty of votes against you the previous day, the logical choice would be yourself, no? Who does he go after instead? KtheZ. His reasoning? Is it safe to say you didn't roleclaim to DrH, why would that be? Perhaps it's because you're a green, or some important blue like a DT, or a red. lol. Loyal 'till the end perhaps? You say Youngminii is good enough to be active and draw a hit, yet has played like he's a detective(or red) instead. I'm pretty sure we can say the same for yourself. No you didn't claim vet, but you certainly haven't played like a strong town so far this game. If young turns up red, I think town has to seriously take another look at you for the next lynch. | ||
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