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On November 03 2010 08:13 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2010 08:07 Artanis[Xp] wrote:[ Divinek the Mafia Plague Doctor is now dead. You are the Mafia Plague Doctor! You killed LSB because you were unhappy with the town. You decided to aid the mafia in curing their members instead. You can cure any one person from Murrayitis at night. Well I guess that infers some town members also have the power to use Murrayitis against the mafia? That's a good thing I suppose.
I don't that is the case. Remember that day1 post about mafia harness the power of M-Rus? It implies that only the mafia can use the power. The mafia having their own plague doctor give them the incentive to infect their own (possible popular players) and transmitted the disease faster. They can cure the disease right before all the infected die.
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On November 03 2010 08:17 LunarDestiny wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2010 08:13 kitaman27 wrote:On November 03 2010 08:07 Artanis[Xp] wrote:[ Divinek the Mafia Plague Doctor is now dead. You are the Mafia Plague Doctor! You killed LSB because you were unhappy with the town. You decided to aid the mafia in curing their members instead. You can cure any one person from Murrayitis at night. Well I guess that infers some town members also have the power to use Murrayitis against the mafia? That's a good thing I suppose. I don't that is the case. Remember that day1 post about mafia harness the power of M-Rus? It implies that only the mafia can use the power. The mafia having their own plague doctor give them the incentive to infect their own (possible popular players) and transmitted the disease faster. They can cure the disease right before all the infected die.
the mafia would know who they gave M-rus too but not who got it by proxy
say mafia infect player x with m-rus and blue players a b and c visit player x
players a b and c now have m-rus. if a mafia visits/kills one of those players they will also get m-rus.
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Divine voted for me as mayor 
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Lots of bad stuff, and one nice good thing. Maf lost a plague doctor. Possibly/probably their only one. This means their protection against murrayitis just took a huge hit.
Another really interesting thing that comes from this is the following:
(though this can get roleblocked, for which you will not receive a notification)
This almost confirms the presence of a roleblocker, and has interesting implications as regards to the Dr. H situation.
+ Show Spoiler +Pointless I know, but I told you so. Aeres wasn't scummy, LAL is dumb.
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On November 03 2010 08:22 deconduo wrote:Lots of bad stuff, and one nice good thing. Maf lost a plague doctor. Possibly/probably their only one. This means their protection against murrayitis just took a huge hit. Another really interesting thing that comes from this is the following: Show nested quote +(though this can get roleblocked, for which you will not receive a notification) This almost confirms the presence of a roleblocker, and has interesting implications as regards to the Dr. H situation. + Show Spoiler +Pointless I know, but I told you so. Aeres wasn't scummy, LAL is dumb.
Good, maybe Pandain will stop his dumb campaign of bullshit against me now.
I felt Aeres was scummy. Nothing about his roleclaim made sense with a plan to soak up hits and mafia stood to benefit from the move. I think this throws YM and Ace under the bus more than anyone else but we need to be careful with accusing players for supporting Aeres because there is a looooooooot of WIFOM involved in that.
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I'm gonna take a real good look at bumatlarge right now, something feels really fishy. Oh and RIP fishball :'( I had just started to trust you.
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can i take the time to say that divineks only contentful posts in this thread were attempts to discredit my campaign/make me look bad?
On October 30 2010 09:49 Divinek wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 09:45 Infundibulum wrote:
Also anybody running on the platform of "I will roleclaim if I am Mayor" needs to reconsider their platform in light of the fact that the mayor can be rolechecked.
Additionally, Artanis alluded to the possible existence of elements that can tamper with role check results - e.g. a framer or insane DT - meaning that a rolecheck on the mayor night 1 is possibly useless, as any rolecheck-tampering would almost certainly be directed the mayors' way.
Finally, remember confirming a players role ability != confirming a players alignment. i think it's beyond silly to say they can be assuredly confirmed in any way. There is got to be a high chance of having some kind of framer role, and what better choice than a mayor that's trying to say hey guyz i can be verified
On October 30 2010 09:53 Divinek wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 09:46 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 30 2010 09:45 Infundibulum wrote:
Also anybody running on the platform of "I will roleclaim if I am Mayor" needs to reconsider their platform in light of the fact that the mayor can be rolechecked.
Additionally, Artanis alluded to the possible existence of elements that can tamper with role check results - e.g. a framer or insane DT - meaning that a rolecheck on the mayor night 1 is possibly useless, as any rolecheck-tampering would almost certainly be directed the mayors' way.
Finally, remember confirming a players role ability != confirming a players alignment. I can prove my role is what I say it is without having to be rolechecked and if anyone tries to fake a rolecheck on me they'll be incriminated when I prove them otherwise. I can't fathom any way you can do this that doesn't involve the possibility of you just getting your mafia buddies to help you do whatever it is you say you can do I dont like the idea of just picking someone for what they say they are able to be or capable of. I'm more inclined to go with someone who has shown they can actually be useful instead of spewing confirmability. Whatever it is you say you can do to confirm yourself i have no doubt the host put in something to make it possible to compromise the integrity of your claim. It's silly that you could try to be concrete on something so unknown to anyone. I would rather have someone leading with clearly good intentions and capable of doing something instead of saying well guys i can be confirmed, cause once someone gets elected the spot lights so heavy it's ridiculous anyway
can i also note he's making some of the exact same arguments pandain is making now?
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On November 03 2010 08:26 DoctorHelvetica wrote:can i take the time to say that divineks only contentful posts in this thread were attempts to discredit my campaign/make me look bad? Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 09:49 Divinek wrote:On October 30 2010 09:45 Infundibulum wrote:
Also anybody running on the platform of "I will roleclaim if I am Mayor" needs to reconsider their platform in light of the fact that the mayor can be rolechecked.
Additionally, Artanis alluded to the possible existence of elements that can tamper with role check results - e.g. a framer or insane DT - meaning that a rolecheck on the mayor night 1 is possibly useless, as any rolecheck-tampering would almost certainly be directed the mayors' way.
Finally, remember confirming a players role ability != confirming a players alignment. i think it's beyond silly to say they can be assuredly confirmed in any way. There is got to be a high chance of having some kind of framer role, and what better choice than a mayor that's trying to say hey guyz i can be verified Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 09:53 Divinek wrote:On October 30 2010 09:46 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 30 2010 09:45 Infundibulum wrote:
Also anybody running on the platform of "I will roleclaim if I am Mayor" needs to reconsider their platform in light of the fact that the mayor can be rolechecked.
Additionally, Artanis alluded to the possible existence of elements that can tamper with role check results - e.g. a framer or insane DT - meaning that a rolecheck on the mayor night 1 is possibly useless, as any rolecheck-tampering would almost certainly be directed the mayors' way.
Finally, remember confirming a players role ability != confirming a players alignment. I can prove my role is what I say it is without having to be rolechecked and if anyone tries to fake a rolecheck on me they'll be incriminated when I prove them otherwise. I can't fathom any way you can do this that doesn't involve the possibility of you just getting your mafia buddies to help you do whatever it is you say you can do I dont like the idea of just picking someone for what they say they are able to be or capable of. I'm more inclined to go with someone who has shown they can actually be useful instead of spewing confirmability. Whatever it is you say you can do to confirm yourself i have no doubt the host put in something to make it possible to compromise the integrity of your claim. It's silly that you could try to be concrete on something so unknown to anyone. I would rather have someone leading with clearly good intentions and capable of doing something instead of saying well guys i can be confirmed, cause once someone gets elected the spot lights so heavy it's ridiculous anyway can i also note he's making some of the exact same arguments pandain is making now?
there isnt a person in this game who isnt suspicious of you.
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On November 03 2010 08:35 Coagulation wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2010 08:26 DoctorHelvetica wrote:can i take the time to say that divineks only contentful posts in this thread were attempts to discredit my campaign/make me look bad? On October 30 2010 09:49 Divinek wrote:On October 30 2010 09:45 Infundibulum wrote:
Also anybody running on the platform of "I will roleclaim if I am Mayor" needs to reconsider their platform in light of the fact that the mayor can be rolechecked.
Additionally, Artanis alluded to the possible existence of elements that can tamper with role check results - e.g. a framer or insane DT - meaning that a rolecheck on the mayor night 1 is possibly useless, as any rolecheck-tampering would almost certainly be directed the mayors' way.
Finally, remember confirming a players role ability != confirming a players alignment. i think it's beyond silly to say they can be assuredly confirmed in any way. There is got to be a high chance of having some kind of framer role, and what better choice than a mayor that's trying to say hey guyz i can be verified On October 30 2010 09:53 Divinek wrote:On October 30 2010 09:46 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 30 2010 09:45 Infundibulum wrote:
Also anybody running on the platform of "I will roleclaim if I am Mayor" needs to reconsider their platform in light of the fact that the mayor can be rolechecked.
Additionally, Artanis alluded to the possible existence of elements that can tamper with role check results - e.g. a framer or insane DT - meaning that a rolecheck on the mayor night 1 is possibly useless, as any rolecheck-tampering would almost certainly be directed the mayors' way.
Finally, remember confirming a players role ability != confirming a players alignment. I can prove my role is what I say it is without having to be rolechecked and if anyone tries to fake a rolecheck on me they'll be incriminated when I prove them otherwise. I can't fathom any way you can do this that doesn't involve the possibility of you just getting your mafia buddies to help you do whatever it is you say you can do I dont like the idea of just picking someone for what they say they are able to be or capable of. I'm more inclined to go with someone who has shown they can actually be useful instead of spewing confirmability. Whatever it is you say you can do to confirm yourself i have no doubt the host put in something to make it possible to compromise the integrity of your claim. It's silly that you could try to be concrete on something so unknown to anyone. I would rather have someone leading with clearly good intentions and capable of doing something instead of saying well guys i can be confirmed, cause once someone gets elected the spot lights so heavy it's ridiculous anyway can i also note he's making some of the exact same arguments pandain is making now? there isnt a person in this game who isnt suspicious of you.
that's ok, i can understand that
but that doesn't really qualify as a helpful reply to my post. you're just saying "yeah whatever everyone thinks you're red so la la la i can't hear you"
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no im saying your gonna lynch a whole lot of blues if your gonna start basing who you are suspicious of based on who doesn't trust you
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yeah that's the only reason im suspicious of pandain
its not that his arguments aren't logical or that he is parroting the points of a MUCH more experienced and MUCH better CONFIRMED MAFIA player
its cuz he made me mad by suspecting me
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Well I just got home. I was dragged into an urgent meeting for 4 hours. As it finished, I whipped out my phone as quick as I can to check the thread, but the moment TL finished loading, I saw a shiny new PM at the top corner; I was prepared for the worst.
Just didn't expect a meeting out of nowhere, that happens once in a blue moon, which actually required me to stay OT too (without pay).
My last, non-game-breaking last words.
I never voted for Aeres. (Duh?) 
I actually have a lot more to say, but... must resist.
Good luck Mafia, I just did you a big favor by dying 
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also im wondering exactly how many blues are you allowed to lynch before its justifiable for us to question you?
is there a number?
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On November 03 2010 08:45 Coagulation wrote:
also im wondering exactly how many blues are you allowed to lynch before its justifiable for us to question you?
is there a number?
I welcome people to question me/suspect me
But I'm not going to just sit back and watch people shit on me without defending myself and if their arguments/suspicions are grounded in bullshit then I'm going to call them out on it
you're basically criticizing me for not just saying "lol yup im red you got me guys"
could that be dumber? not to mention divinek was on the lynch list i originally sent to artanis
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That's only true if he manages to start snowballs, but I doubt he will. And it's unlikely that his extra vote will matter anytime soon (next 2 days). I doubt enough people will trust him as to bandwagon, and we have tonight, which may turn up a lot of new info.
I'm not saying he's not red, but since he's mayor, we should take him with a grain of salt.
I suggest that during day 3 we come up with 2-3 alternatives to the main lynch, because today, most people voted for Aeres due to lack of reasonable alternatives. Agreed?
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On November 03 2010 08:45 Coagulation wrote:
also im wondering exactly how many blues are you allowed to lynch before its justifiable for us to question you?
is there a number?
not to mention I didn't lynch aeres, the town did
and I didn't even start the bandwagon. Ace did.
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On November 03 2010 08:45 Coagulation wrote:
also im wondering exactly how many blues are you allowed to lynch before its justifiable for us to question you?
is there a number?
I would say that if DrH fails to confirm himself this night phase.
This is the part where I say "I told you so"
And the part where I go batshit crazy. Seriously, we don't fucking lynch FOR BAD TOWNIE PLAY, WE LYNCH FOR SCUM PLAY. It was pretty obvious that aeres did the former.
So I really want to lynch the people who started the bandwagon now, but I guess it will have to wait until next day phase.
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On November 03 2010 08:50 Nemesis wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2010 08:45 Coagulation wrote:
also im wondering exactly how many blues are you allowed to lynch before its justifiable for us to question you?
is there a number?
I would say that if DrH fails to confirm himself this night phase. This is the part where I say "I told you so"And the part where I go batshit crazy. Seriously, we don't fucking lynch FOR BAD TOWNIE PLAY, WE LYNCH FOR SCUM PLAY. It was pretty obvious that aeres did the former. So I really want to lynch the people who started the bandwagon now, but I guess it will have to wait until next day phase.
i interpreted it as scum play
his gambit didn't really make sense as it described it but I suppose he just didn't think it through and acted on impulse. it made him look scummy to me and unlike others in the bandwagon I was the only one who bothered to explain why I thought he was scum rather then just yelling LYNCH ALL LIARS over and over again.
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The reason I voted for him was he made hardly no effort in his defense. In fact, he voted for himself at one point. When I asked him to bring up some possibly alternatives, he gave a 1-2 sentence reason for one person or another and then disappeared for the next 24 hours. Kinda disappointed by the way he played it out.
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On November 03 2010 08:46 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2010 08:45 Coagulation wrote:
also im wondering exactly how many blues are you allowed to lynch before its justifiable for us to question you?
is there a number?
I welcome people to question me/suspect me But I'm not going to just sit back and watch people shit on me without defending myself and if their arguments/suspicions are grounded in bullshit then I'm going to call them out on it you're basically criticizing me for not just saying "lol yup im red you got me guys" could that be dumber? not to mention divinek was on the lynch list i originally sent to artanis
if this is true this is good to see.
there is still the possibility of you putting him there even tho your both reds for confusion purposes.
but that would be wifom or w/e so im not gonna speculate
i think town desperately needs to accept that there is no way of proving your alignment (pandain)
and others are indeed looking like they are doing more damage than good by persecuting you relentlessly with the same tired arguments that are getting us nowhere.
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