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On November 01 2010 12:06 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2010 12:04 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 01 2010 11:59 Pandain wrote:On November 01 2010 11:58 Misder wrote:
Well, we now know almost certainly that DH is vulnerable. Now the question is whether or not protecting him is the right thing, as again, there is speculation on whether or not hes mafia or not. Right now, I'm pretty torn. People are right on how there really is no way to gaurantee that DH will have an opportunity to confirm himself. Then again, he's making good analysis and making everything up is pretty hard to do... unless he got his mafia buddies to help. Maybe (speculation again...) he made up the role, and he and his mafia made it based on Bill Murray on purpose to make it sound believable. It's really stretched, but a possibility. Anyone know who pointed out the link between Sticky and the stick of Bill Murray?
I wonder if mafia knew that annul was a bodygaurd. It seems so out of there. Why would mafia try to go for annul in the first place? It's not like he made any amazingly good posts that would screw up mafia. actually he hasn't made any good analysis, if you note all he's done is say "they could be this, but then again they could be that." lol what a weak brush off of my analysis posts your right, you put effort into it. He hasn't made any real conclusions, better gets across what I'm trying to say.
I made real conclusions. Like that NB is probably a bad townie instead of mafia, that Misder is trying to fish for roleclaims in this game and needs to be watched.
I'm not going to say "oh this player is mafia" if I don't feel the signs are strong enough. That doesn't make my analysis useless, that's such bullshit.
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On November 01 2010 12:07 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2010 12:05 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 01 2010 12:01 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I'd like to take this opportunity to say that LSB and I will never outright lie about something. If something is false in something I said, there will almost always be hints to it. This is not a game where the town has to battle both the GM and the mafia. Does this count for our roles as well? Orgoloves role had misinformation in it, I assume this could apply to any of us. This was purely psychological. Also, the role PM's are not the only PM's some players get.
Let me rephrase this. Is is possible that our roles may not work exactly as described in our role PM's?
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On November 01 2010 12:08 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2010 12:07 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On November 01 2010 12:05 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 01 2010 12:01 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I'd like to take this opportunity to say that LSB and I will never outright lie about something. If something is false in something I said, there will almost always be hints to it. This is not a game where the town has to battle both the GM and the mafia. Does this count for our roles as well? Orgoloves role had misinformation in it, I assume this could apply to any of us. This was purely psychological. Also, the role PM's are not the only PM's some players get. Let me rephrase this. Is is possible that our roles may not work exactly as described in our role PM's?
This is possible, though there will most likely be hints within the role PM or afterwards should this be the case.
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On November 01 2010 12:06 Misder wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2010 12:01 Glasse wrote:On November 01 2010 12:01 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I'd like to take this opportunity to say that LSB and I will never outright lie about something. If something is false in something I said, there will almost always be hints to it. This is not a game where the town has to battle both the GM and the mafia. so there was only 1 bodyguard... drh is vulnerable then Well, as bumalarge pointed out, Artanis didn't outright say there was only 1 bodygaurd. He said that town could only afford 1 bodygaurd. That doesn't mean that there isn't someone that isn't hired doing the job.
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On November 01 2010 12:01 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I'd like to take this opportunity to say that LSB and I will never outright lie about something. If something is false in something I said, there will almost always be hints to it. This is not a game where the town has to battle both the GM and the mafia.
What happens if you are lying about never lying? Then we are all doomed!
As for the Aeres mishap, I understand his reasoning. When he claimed bodyguard, my first thought was that it could be a move to protect a vulnerable DrH. Its not unreasonable to think he was just trying to draw mafia hits, which would be especially useful with his actual role. I do wonder, however, why reveal your actual role if you are trying to draw hits?
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On November 01 2010 12:13 youngminii wrote:
LAL
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On November 01 2010 12:13 infinitestory wrote:......
LYL
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Pandain, slow down. Stop posting. Stop spamming the thread with long but useless information.
DrH, stop replying to his 'arguments'. You'll just detract from other, more important issues.
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On November 01 2010 12:14 youngminii wrote:
Pandain, slow down. Stop posting. Stop spamming the thread with long but useless information.
DrH, stop replying to his 'arguments'. You'll just detract from other, more important issues.
Well I'm glad you see how bad they are as well, but I figure it's best to respond lest anyone actually buy into them.
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On November 01 2010 12:14 youngminii wrote:
Pandain, slow down. Stop posting. Stop spamming the thread with long but useless information.
DrH, stop replying to his 'arguments'. You'll just detract from other, more important issues.
I think the alignment of our mayor is a pretty important issue. I don't know about you, though.
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On November 01 2010 12:15 infinitestory wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2010 12:14 youngminii wrote:
Pandain, slow down. Stop posting. Stop spamming the thread with long but useless information.
DrH, stop replying to his 'arguments'. You'll just detract from other, more important issues. I think the alignment of our mayor is a pretty important issue. I don't know about you, though.
I really don't even feel that mafia have any huge incentive to take the position of mayor TBH
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Sure that's important. The arguments being put forward (mainly by Pandain) are not important. They are useless, misguided and nothing will be brought up out of them. The only thing they might be able to do is convince some people to vote for DrH without any conclusive evidence.
Focus on Aeres. In case you don't know, LAL = Lynch All Liars.
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On November 01 2010 12:01 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I'd like to take this opportunity to say that LSB and I will never outright lie about something. If something is false in something I said, there will almost always be hints to it. This is not a game where the town has to battle both the GM and the mafia.
The town also has my assurances that I will yell at Artanis and LSB and make them fix it if they ever lie to you.
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On November 01 2010 12:10 Glasse wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2010 12:06 Misder wrote:On November 01 2010 12:01 Glasse wrote:On November 01 2010 12:01 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I'd like to take this opportunity to say that LSB and I will never outright lie about something. If something is false in something I said, there will almost always be hints to it. This is not a game where the town has to battle both the GM and the mafia. so there was only 1 bodyguard... drh is vulnerable then Well, as bumalarge pointed out, Artanis didn't outright say there was only 1 bodygaurd. He said that town could only afford 1 bodygaurd. That doesn't mean that there isn't someone that isn't hired doing the job. Well fuck :3
Come now glasse use that vibrant imagination of yours. You can be the official GM whisperer. Look at things and tell us what they really mean.
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Alright, I think just a series of reasonable questions will help express my point. Actually, sometimes I can't express an argument in question form so :/
On November 01 2010 12:04 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Doesn't really mean anything. If the insanity thing was such a big deal people could have switched bandwagons. The problem is the insanity thing applies to everyone and it isn't a point against me, it's just a part of this game that must be considered.
1.There were only two hours left
2. A major factor is that no one can even say if you actually used your role. The person who you claimed to have poked says he received no such thing. Now you defend yourself by saying you could've been roleblocked, or he could've been bussed. The first point is okay, but negated for reasons later expressed below. The second point is just illogical. It is more logical to assume you are mafia than that jcarl just happened to get bussed.
Everything adds up Pandain.
How could that kind of a role even have an insane aspect? Well we could start with the intial concern from infinitestory that my poke transfers murrayitis to a person. Perhaps the poke doesn't confirm itself to the other player but does tell me if they have murrayitis. Perhaps my poke only has a certain chance of going through. There are many possibilities here Pandain, am I really supposed to believe you couldn't think of 1?
Point is it didn't even happen
Yeah, it is. That is the importance of my role as I understand it and as it is described in my role PM. What else do I have to go off of? Would you like me to tell you the importance of my role in an insane variation which I have no way of predicting or knowing?
Exactly! So why are you running if your role has a high chance of being unimportant. You claim its to soak up POTENTIAL roleblockers, but any townie could run and do just that.
You're attacking me for defending him. Let me call it a chainsaw defense, which is even worse. What theory doesn't make sense? It doesn't make sense that jcarls could have lied? You're not even considering that? In order to bring up the possibility that he might not be telling the truth I have to also accuse him of being mafia? Wow dude I never thought you would make such awful points.
Yes, it doesn't make sense for jcarl to lie. You yourself think he hasn't, and yet you critizice me for defending just that. I have considered it, but consider it highly more likely you are just scum.
My poke didn't go through to him and you all want to know why. So I'm telling you all the ways this could be possible and jcarls telling a lie is one of these things. It's a possibility among many that I have offered and it is the one I am pursuing the least and even calling the least likely. Just drop it. I never accused jcarls and your clown-ass arguments aren't coming anywhere close to making it look like I did.'
Why did you lie to us if you knew this could happen.
Why did you continue to claim you could be 100% confirmed
Why would wasting a potential roleblocker's use on one night outweigh having an unconfirmed mayor who's lied.
I didn't lie to get elected. I had no reason to distrust the mods and never truly considered the possibility that my role was insane when I was talking about 100% confirmation. I intentionally withheld information because I didn't want the mafia to consider the possiblity that I would be soaking up roleblocks they might have. This is a "lie" designed to benefit town.
You start with "I didn't lie to get elected" and end with "this is a lie designed to benefit town."
You claimed you would be 100% confirmed, now you claim you knew this would not happen.
I did ditch the 100% thing. I consistently recognized the possibility that I would be insane and offered checks against it to the town.
see the quote
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On November 01 2010 12:21 Pandain wrote:Alright, I think just a series of reasonable questions will help express my point. Actually, sometimes I can't express an argument in question form so :/ Show nested quote +On November 01 2010 12:04 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Doesn't really mean anything. If the insanity thing was such a big deal people could have switched bandwagons. The problem is the insanity thing applies to everyone and it isn't a point against me, it's just a part of this game that must be considered.
1.There were only two hours left
2. A major factor is that no one can even say if you actually used your role. The person who you claimed to have poked says he received no such thing. Now you defend yourself by saying you could've been roleblocked, or he could've been bussed. The first point is okay, but negated for reasons later expressed below. The second point is just illogical. It is more logical to assume you are mafia than that jcarl just happened to get bussed.
Everything adds up Pandain.
How could that kind of a role even have an insane aspect? Well we could start with the intial concern from infinitestory that my poke transfers murrayitis to a person. Perhaps the poke doesn't confirm itself to the other player but does tell me if they have murrayitis. Perhaps my poke only has a certain chance of going through. There are many possibilities here Pandain, am I really supposed to believe you couldn't think of 1?
Point is it didn't even happen
Yeah, it is. That is the importance of my role as I understand it and as it is described in my role PM. What else do I have to go off of? Would you like me to tell you the importance of my role in an insane variation which I have no way of predicting or knowing?
Exactly! So why are you running if your role has a high chance of being unimportant. You claim its to soak up POTENTIAL roleblockers, but any townie could run and do just that.
You're attacking me for defending him. Let me call it a chainsaw defense, which is even worse. What theory doesn't make sense? It doesn't make sense that jcarls could have lied? You're not even considering that? In order to bring up the possibility that he might not be telling the truth I have to also accuse him of being mafia? Wow dude I never thought you would make such awful points.
Yes, it doesn't make sense for jcarl to lie. You yourself think he hasn't, and yet you critizice me for defending just that. I have considered it, but consider it highly more likely you are just scum.
My poke didn't go through to him and you all want to know why. So I'm telling you all the ways this could be possible and jcarls telling a lie is one of these things. It's a possibility among many that I have offered and it is the one I am pursuing the least and even calling the least likely. Just drop it. I never accused jcarls and your clown-ass arguments aren't coming anywhere close to making it look like I did.'
Why did you lie to us if you knew this could happen.
Why did you continue to claim you could be 100% confirmed
Why would wasting a potential roleblocker's use on one night outweigh having an unconfirmed mayor who's lied.
I didn't lie to get elected. I had no reason to distrust the mods and never truly considered the possibility that my role was insane when I was talking about 100% confirmation. I intentionally withheld information because I didn't want the mafia to consider the possiblity that I would be soaking up roleblocks they might have. This is a "lie" designed to benefit town.
You start with "I didn't lie to get elected" and end with "this is a lie designed to benefit town."
You claimed you would be 100% confirmed, now you claim you knew this would not happen.
I did ditch the 100% thing. I consistently recognized the possibility that I would be insane and offered checks against it to the town.
see the quote
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On November 01 2010 12:17 youngminii wrote:
Sure that's important. The arguments being put forward (mainly by Pandain) are not important. They are useless, misguided and nothing will be brought up out of them. The only thing they might be able to do is convince some people to vote for DrH without any conclusive evidence.
Focus on Aeres. In case you don't know, LAL = Lynch All Liars.
Rather than give empty statements why not back it up?
And fyi, you don't think Dr. H has lied?
You should reread my posts then.
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On November 01 2010 12:16 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2010 12:15 infinitestory wrote:On November 01 2010 12:14 youngminii wrote:
Pandain, slow down. Stop posting. Stop spamming the thread with long but useless information.
DrH, stop replying to his 'arguments'. You'll just detract from other, more important issues. I think the alignment of our mayor is a pretty important issue. I don't know about you, though. I really don't even feel that mafia have any huge incentive to take the position of mayor TBH
Except that your whole campaign platform was based around you being able to confirm your alignment and none of the other mayor candidates being able to do so.
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On November 01 2010 12:22 youngminii wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2010 12:21 Pandain wrote:Alright, I think just a series of reasonable questions will help express my point. Actually, sometimes I can't express an argument in question form so :/ On November 01 2010 12:04 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Doesn't really mean anything. If the insanity thing was such a big deal people could have switched bandwagons. The problem is the insanity thing applies to everyone and it isn't a point against me, it's just a part of this game that must be considered.
1.There were only two hours left
2. A major factor is that no one can even say if you actually used your role. The person who you claimed to have poked says he received no such thing. Now you defend yourself by saying you could've been roleblocked, or he could've been bussed. The first point is okay, but negated for reasons later expressed below. The second point is just illogical. It is more logical to assume you are mafia than that jcarl just happened to get bussed.
Everything adds up Pandain.
How could that kind of a role even have an insane aspect? Well we could start with the intial concern from infinitestory that my poke transfers murrayitis to a person. Perhaps the poke doesn't confirm itself to the other player but does tell me if they have murrayitis. Perhaps my poke only has a certain chance of going through. There are many possibilities here Pandain, am I really supposed to believe you couldn't think of 1?
Point is it didn't even happen
Yeah, it is. That is the importance of my role as I understand it and as it is described in my role PM. What else do I have to go off of? Would you like me to tell you the importance of my role in an insane variation which I have no way of predicting or knowing?
Exactly! So why are you running if your role has a high chance of being unimportant. You claim its to soak up POTENTIAL roleblockers, but any townie could run and do just that.
You're attacking me for defending him. Let me call it a chainsaw defense, which is even worse. What theory doesn't make sense? It doesn't make sense that jcarls could have lied? You're not even considering that? In order to bring up the possibility that he might not be telling the truth I have to also accuse him of being mafia? Wow dude I never thought you would make such awful points.
Yes, it doesn't make sense for jcarl to lie. You yourself think he hasn't, and yet you critizice me for defending just that. I have considered it, but consider it highly more likely you are just scum.
My poke didn't go through to him and you all want to know why. So I'm telling you all the ways this could be possible and jcarls telling a lie is one of these things. It's a possibility among many that I have offered and it is the one I am pursuing the least and even calling the least likely. Just drop it. I never accused jcarls and your clown-ass arguments aren't coming anywhere close to making it look like I did.'
Why did you lie to us if you knew this could happen.
Why did you continue to claim you could be 100% confirmed
Why would wasting a potential roleblocker's use on one night outweigh having an unconfirmed mayor who's lied.
I didn't lie to get elected. I had no reason to distrust the mods and never truly considered the possibility that my role was insane when I was talking about 100% confirmation. I intentionally withheld information because I didn't want the mafia to consider the possiblity that I would be soaking up roleblocks they might have. This is a "lie" designed to benefit town.
You start with "I didn't lie to get elected" and end with "this is a lie designed to benefit town."
You claimed you would be 100% confirmed, now you claim you knew this would not happen.
I did ditch the 100% thing. I consistently recognized the possibility that I would be insane and offered checks against it to the town.
see the quote
STOP
Youngminii, I think you're reading selectively. Even if Pandain himself isn't right, his arguments have foundations, including in a very revealing post by Coagulation a couple pages ago, namely one which highlights the lies in DrH's campaign. In that sense, your usage of LAL is suspiciously focused as well.
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