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On November 01 2010 12:47 youngminii wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2010 12:46 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 01 2010 12:38 Pandain wrote:On November 01 2010 12:29 DoctorHelvetica wrote:it didn't highlight any lies because at the time I had said it I did not take into account the possibility of my role being insane. when this was brought out i immediately stopped saying it, as would be the reasonable thing to do Nope, for example this post was made after posts about insanity.Bad point. I said my power is to confirm itself to another player. This is still the case and I never retracted that statement. That is my role. To poke another player and confirm my role/name to them. Note I didn't use the term "100%" here.On October 31 2010 08:50 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
But how important can it be if it's less important than mine that is mostly important on its ability to confirm itself?
And againAgain I'm not referring to my ability to 100% confirm but your assertion that you can confirm yourself as a townie through your role. which you said you could do without being mayor. Which you ALSO haven't done by the way.On October 31 2010 09:10 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
and when he claims to have such a huge role that can ALSO confirm itself as being 100% town.
He said "oh i can confirm myself being town" but now he's letting me have it because I can confirm myself as being town?
The also implies you can confirm yourself as 100% town, and then says it again.
Here you admit your role is important in its ability to confirm yourself. Yet you continue to run.Not running from it at all. I am openly admitting constaantly that my role has a power that can confirm itself to another player. It seems pretty clear I was roleblocked, it's very simple. I'm not saying "Oh no my role actually can't do that" just that it was prevented from doing so last night.i explained my role and how it worked and how it confirmed to people good for you cute addition ;o you're so snarkyanyone who didn't think of the possibility that that could be roleblocked/affected by busdrivers/affected by the lie of whoever it confirms to needs to take responsibility for that since I explained why I never brought it up in the first place I stand by the statement that my role confirms itself 100% to whoever I poke. What Artanis has said recently has made me more confident then ever that my role is not insane and that it does exactly as it says which means I was roleblocked, some other role stopped me from poking, or that jcarls lied alright, so when can we confirm if that's the truth?I suppose when I am not roleblocked and my poke goes through? Or that my poke goes through and the person I poked is honest about it? Perhaps I should poke you and see if you tell the truth about it or not.how is that a lie? if the poke goes through it is a 100% confirmation, that is the power and that is still the power I have. Just stop replying to him, no one except infinitestory (and his scum buddies if he's scum) will listen to him. You'll drag it on too.
Why? The more desperate he gets the better everyone can see how scummy he's playing.
And how easy it would be for the mafia to turn it against me if I just say nothing at all. Regardless I feel like this a lot of noise designed to distract from the Aeres situation.
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On November 01 2010 12:45 youngminii wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2010 12:36 infinitestory wrote:On November 01 2010 12:31 youngminii wrote:
His 'lies' are more like promises that turned out to be untrue due to unforeseen circumstances.
Do you not see what's happening?
Someone: So DrH I think you might be lying because of x
DrH: Well I wasn't lying but y happened so it looks like I was lying about x but there might also be the possibility of z (ie. he's covering all bases)
Pandain: So you expect us to believe you about y AND z? How convenient that you came up with them (then he goes back to the original arguments that DrH already covered)
Just stop it. I'm sorry, but I refuse to simply ignore the alignment of our mayor. I am in no way convinced he is a townie, even if you are. Knowing our mayor has an extra vote still, even if he doesn't have night protection anymore, he is still a power player that deserves additional attention. That's not the point. There's no way of finding out whether or not our Mayor is a blue or a red as of now. The arguments that Pandain is putting up are ridiculous and stretched way too far, if you honestly keep up with your persistent following of this idiocy (I'm talking about his arguments, not Pandain himself) then I'm going to have to label you as scum following a blind argument aimed at taking down a blue mayor.
The first bolded part is an affirmation of all of our worries. We only elected DrH on the premise that we could be sure he is a blue.
The rest of it is evidence-less, just like may of your other posts.
FoS. Youngminii.
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On November 01 2010 12:53 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Oh my god that was embarassing. Just as Pandain tried to vote, a green substance was flinged at his direction. He ran out of the voting booth crying.
Day 2 - 43 hours to go
Aeres: 3
Ace
youngminii
bumatlarge
Jcarlsoniv: 1
Elder Vote
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Alright, basically Doc here's the thing
You lied. You said, constantly said, even after you claim you had abandoned it, that you could confirm yourself 100%. You also admit that that is why your role is important.
But then you also admit you knew you were a prime contender for a roleblock.
You misled the town, which you explain now as soaking up roleblocks. But any town can do that, and unless mafia already know who the dt's are or something there's no reason to soak up a roleblock. But this also brings up another point, now you also ran, despite the fact you knew you could likely be roleblocked, to soak up roleblocks. Not to be confirmed, which is why I and many others chose you to be mayor.
But you went along with claiming you could be confirmed, and then night comes and nothing happens.
With a hidden role setup, we have no way of knowing if you are what you say you are, or even if there is a roleblocker. And it is far to easy to wave aside everything by reaching to far fetched theories such as "perhaps jcarl just happened to be bussed! Cause they definitely knew I was checking him, and Jcarl was def a prime contender for visiting people.
You misled the town to get elected, and cannot back up what you are saying you could do. And from the looks of it, we won't be able to for a while.
That is why I am voting you
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On November 01 2010 12:48 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2010 12:47 youngminii wrote:On November 01 2010 12:46 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 01 2010 12:38 Pandain wrote:On November 01 2010 12:29 DoctorHelvetica wrote:it didn't highlight any lies because at the time I had said it I did not take into account the possibility of my role being insane. when this was brought out i immediately stopped saying it, as would be the reasonable thing to do Nope, for example this post was made after posts about insanity.Bad point. I said my power is to confirm itself to another player. This is still the case and I never retracted that statement. That is my role. To poke another player and confirm my role/name to them. Note I didn't use the term "100%" here.On October 31 2010 08:50 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
But how important can it be if it's less important than mine that is mostly important on its ability to confirm itself?
And againAgain I'm not referring to my ability to 100% confirm but your assertion that you can confirm yourself as a townie through your role. which you said you could do without being mayor. Which you ALSO haven't done by the way.On October 31 2010 09:10 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
and when he claims to have such a huge role that can ALSO confirm itself as being 100% town.
He said "oh i can confirm myself being town" but now he's letting me have it because I can confirm myself as being town?
The also implies you can confirm yourself as 100% town, and then says it again.
Here you admit your role is important in its ability to confirm yourself. Yet you continue to run.Not running from it at all. I am openly admitting constaantly that my role has a power that can confirm itself to another player. It seems pretty clear I was roleblocked, it's very simple. I'm not saying "Oh no my role actually can't do that" just that it was prevented from doing so last night.i explained my role and how it worked and how it confirmed to people good for you cute addition ;o you're so snarkyanyone who didn't think of the possibility that that could be roleblocked/affected by busdrivers/affected by the lie of whoever it confirms to needs to take responsibility for that since I explained why I never brought it up in the first place I stand by the statement that my role confirms itself 100% to whoever I poke. What Artanis has said recently has made me more confident then ever that my role is not insane and that it does exactly as it says which means I was roleblocked, some other role stopped me from poking, or that jcarls lied alright, so when can we confirm if that's the truth?I suppose when I am not roleblocked and my poke goes through? Or that my poke goes through and the person I poked is honest about it? Perhaps I should poke you and see if you tell the truth about it or not.how is that a lie? if the poke goes through it is a 100% confirmation, that is the power and that is still the power I have. Just stop replying to him, no one except infinitestory (and his scum buddies if he's scum) will listen to him. You'll drag it on too. Why? The more desperate he gets the better everyone can see how scummy he's playing. And how easy it would be for the mafia to turn it against me if I just say nothing at all. Regardless I feel like this a lot of noise designed to distract from the Aeres situation.
Pandain is playing pretty scummy, I do agree. However, what scares me is that this is exactly how he played in Haunted against Bill Murray, and he flipped town. So I'm not sure what to think. He might just be a really overzealous Devil's Advocate -_-
But I think the argument needs to be dropped. Pandain, we do need to worry about Dr.H's alignment, but you two are saying the same things over and over again, and it is getting us no where. We know both of your stances. If we can move on with discussion, the town will benefit. The longer the town is stalled out on decision making for lynch targets, the more the Mafia benefits.
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On November 01 2010 12:54 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2010 12:53 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Oh my god that was embarassing. Just as Pandain tried to vote, a green substance was flinged at his direction. He ran out of the voting booth crying.
Day 2 - 43 hours to go
Aeres: 3
Ace
youngminii
bumatlarge
Jcarlsoniv: 1
Elder Vote HMMMMMMMMMMMMMM
Well, now a vote on you has been nullified twice.
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ahh wtf
ignore that, that's really all wifom.
+ Show Spoiler +*not giving you a chance to wave aside everything*
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On November 01 2010 12:48 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2010 12:47 youngminii wrote:On November 01 2010 12:46 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 01 2010 12:38 Pandain wrote:On November 01 2010 12:29 DoctorHelvetica wrote:it didn't highlight any lies because at the time I had said it I did not take into account the possibility of my role being insane. when this was brought out i immediately stopped saying it, as would be the reasonable thing to do Nope, for example this post was made after posts about insanity.Bad point. I said my power is to confirm itself to another player. This is still the case and I never retracted that statement. That is my role. To poke another player and confirm my role/name to them. Note I didn't use the term "100%" here.On October 31 2010 08:50 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
But how important can it be if it's less important than mine that is mostly important on its ability to confirm itself?
And againAgain I'm not referring to my ability to 100% confirm but your assertion that you can confirm yourself as a townie through your role. which you said you could do without being mayor. Which you ALSO haven't done by the way.On October 31 2010 09:10 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
and when he claims to have such a huge role that can ALSO confirm itself as being 100% town.
He said "oh i can confirm myself being town" but now he's letting me have it because I can confirm myself as being town?
The also implies you can confirm yourself as 100% town, and then says it again.
Here you admit your role is important in its ability to confirm yourself. Yet you continue to run.Not running from it at all. I am openly admitting constaantly that my role has a power that can confirm itself to another player. It seems pretty clear I was roleblocked, it's very simple. I'm not saying "Oh no my role actually can't do that" just that it was prevented from doing so last night.i explained my role and how it worked and how it confirmed to people good for you cute addition ;o you're so snarkyanyone who didn't think of the possibility that that could be roleblocked/affected by busdrivers/affected by the lie of whoever it confirms to needs to take responsibility for that since I explained why I never brought it up in the first place I stand by the statement that my role confirms itself 100% to whoever I poke. What Artanis has said recently has made me more confident then ever that my role is not insane and that it does exactly as it says which means I was roleblocked, some other role stopped me from poking, or that jcarls lied alright, so when can we confirm if that's the truth?I suppose when I am not roleblocked and my poke goes through? Or that my poke goes through and the person I poked is honest about it? Perhaps I should poke you and see if you tell the truth about it or not.how is that a lie? if the poke goes through it is a 100% confirmation, that is the power and that is still the power I have. Just stop replying to him, no one except infinitestory (and his scum buddies if he's scum) will listen to him. You'll drag it on too. Why? The more desperate he gets the better everyone can see how scummy he's playing. And how easy it would be for the mafia to turn it against me if I just say nothing at all. Regardless I feel like this a lot of noise designed to distract from the Aeres situation.
Would be nice and all if Pandain didn't play like this all the time.
I'm still waiting for a counter argument for/from Aeres, until then my vote will stand.
@inifinitestory: So we elected DrH because we thought he'd be able to confirm. Now there may be a way for a red to take away that ability to confirm OR they may be the possibility that DrH is red. So you want to spam up the thread and kill him based on that? At most, I see this as a 50/50 chance, mathematically speaking. I see Aeres as a much better investment.
P.S. I'm ignoring you Pandain, I don't feel the need to respond to your argument and spam the thread even more.
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On November 01 2010 12:55 Pandain wrote:
But you went along with claiming you could be confirmed, and then night comes and nothing happens.
With a hidden role setup, we have no way of knowing if you are what you say you are, or even if there is a roleblocker. And it is far to easy to wave aside everything by reaching to far fetched theories such as "perhaps jcarl just happened to be bussed! Cause they definitely knew I was checking him, and Jcarl was def a prime contender for visiting people.
This is a good point Pandain, I don't think Mafia would have known I would be poked. I had no idea myself that Dr.H even noticed I was posting (he did call me inactive at the beginning of the game after all =P).
This leads me to believe that you were indeed role-blocked Dr.H
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On November 01 2010 12:55 Pandain wrote:
Alright, basically Doc here's the thing
You lied. You said, constantly said, even after you claim you had abandoned it, that you could confirm yourself 100%. You also admit that that is why your role is important.
No I didn't and I just kinda proved that after your pathetic attempt to make it seem that way in your last post. You keep repeating the same argument every time I knock it down.
But then you also admit you knew you were a prime contender for a roleblock.
You misled the town, which you explain now as soaking up roleblocks. But any town can do that, and unless mafia already know who the dt's are or something there's no reason to soak up a roleblock. But this also brings up another point, now you also ran, despite the fact you knew you could likely be roleblocked, to soak up roleblocks. Not to be confirmed, which is why I and many others chose you to be mayor.
The mafia (assuming they roleblocked me) now has to choose to allow me to confirm, undoing all the damage done to my campaign and character or to continue roleblocking me and allow other blue roles to act unchecked. This is a play that helps town very much.
But you went along with claiming you could be confirmed, and then night comes and nothing happens.
I'm still claiming that by the way.
With a hidden role setup, we have no way of knowing if you are what you say you are, or even if there is a roleblocker. And it is far to easy to wave aside everything by reaching to far fetched theories such as "perhaps jcarl just happened to be bussed! Cause they definitely knew I was checking him, and Jcarl was def a prime contender for visiting people.
Far fetched? You think it's far fetched that Jcarl could have been bussed or that I could have been roleblocked but far more likely that I just made all this shit up? Why don't you go ahead and say I made the role of sticky up so I can make you look even more desperate and ridiculous.
You misled the town to get elected, and cannot back up what you are saying you could do. And from the looks of it, we won't be able to for a while.
Sure I can back it up. If my poke goes through it confirms my role. If I get roleblocked or my target is commuted/hidden/bussed/a mafia liar/whatever it won't go through and it won't work. It was obvious from the moment I claimed and explained how my role worked that this was a possibility. I even brought up the possibility that the person I poke could simply lie about it in the past. Come on dude.
That is why I am voting you
Too bad your vote didn't even go through lol
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On November 01 2010 12:55 infinitestory wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2010 12:54 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 01 2010 12:53 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Oh my god that was embarassing. Just as Pandain tried to vote, a green substance was flinged at his direction. He ran out of the voting booth crying.
Day 2 - 43 hours to go
Aeres: 3
Ace
youngminii
bumatlarge
Jcarlsoniv: 1
Elder Vote HMMMMMMMMMMMMMM Well, now a vote on you has been nullified twice.
True but one was a vote to make me mayor and the other is a vote to make me dead ;o. Very differnet things don't you think?
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On October 31 2010 08:44 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Someone wasn't happy. He picked his nose and threw a booger at the anonimous mafia voter. In shame, the mafia quickly ran out, his vote negated.
On November 01 2010 12:53 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Oh my god that was embarassing. Just as Pandain tried to vote, a green substance was flinged at his direction. He ran out of the voting booth crying.
Day 2 - 43 hours to go
Aeres: 3
Ace
youngminii
bumatlarge
Jcarlsoniv: 1
Elder Vote
One interesting thing to note about the two nullifications is that the first one is just called "Anon-Mafia voter", while the second vote is identified as Pandain. Do you think this has any implication that Mafia voters who are negated come up anonymous while town ones wouldn't?
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On November 01 2010 13:00 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2010 08:44 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Someone wasn't happy. He picked his nose and threw a booger at the anonimous mafia voter. In shame, the mafia quickly ran out, his vote negated. Show nested quote +On November 01 2010 12:53 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Oh my god that was embarassing. Just as Pandain tried to vote, a green substance was flinged at his direction. He ran out of the voting booth crying.
Day 2 - 43 hours to go
Aeres: 3
Ace
youngminii
bumatlarge
Jcarlsoniv: 1
Elder Vote One interesting thing to note about the two nullifications is that the first one is just called "Anon-Mafia voter", while the second vote is identified as Pandain. Do you think this has any implication that Mafia voters who are negated come up anonymous while town ones wouldn't?
It is possible that the role in question can nullify any one vote regardless of alignment. Now, Artanis admitted that the mafia get an anonymous vote so the fact that the first negated vote was anonymous is likely unrelated to the boogerflinger role.
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On November 01 2010 12:57 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2010 12:55 Pandain wrote:
But you went along with claiming you could be confirmed, and then night comes and nothing happens.
With a hidden role setup, we have no way of knowing if you are what you say you are, or even if there is a roleblocker. And it is far to easy to wave aside everything by reaching to far fetched theories such as "perhaps jcarl just happened to be bussed! Cause they definitely knew I was checking him, and Jcarl was def a prime contender for visiting people.
This is a good point Pandain, I don't think Mafia would have known I would be poked. I had no idea myself that Dr.H even noticed I was posting (he did call me inactive at the beginning of the game after all =P). This leads me to believe that you were indeed role-blocked Dr.H
This is where we are at. It is Dr. H's word, and his word alone. We have no idea if there is a roleblocker, or if he was actually roleblocked if the former is true.
But when you realize Dr. H knew he could be roleblocked, leaving town unsure of his alignment, yet runs on a campaign of "I'm going to be confirmed!", that is anti town.
And then he brings up more far fetched things such as indeed that mafia just happened to bus you. A
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mods mistakenly confirmed pandain as town?
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On November 01 2010 12:55 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2010 12:48 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 01 2010 12:47 youngminii wrote:On November 01 2010 12:46 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 01 2010 12:38 Pandain wrote:On November 01 2010 12:29 DoctorHelvetica wrote:it didn't highlight any lies because at the time I had said it I did not take into account the possibility of my role being insane. when this was brought out i immediately stopped saying it, as would be the reasonable thing to do Nope, for example this post was made after posts about insanity.Bad point. I said my power is to confirm itself to another player. This is still the case and I never retracted that statement. That is my role. To poke another player and confirm my role/name to them. Note I didn't use the term "100%" here.On October 31 2010 08:50 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
But how important can it be if it's less important than mine that is mostly important on its ability to confirm itself?
And againAgain I'm not referring to my ability to 100% confirm but your assertion that you can confirm yourself as a townie through your role. which you said you could do without being mayor. Which you ALSO haven't done by the way.On October 31 2010 09:10 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
and when he claims to have such a huge role that can ALSO confirm itself as being 100% town.
He said "oh i can confirm myself being town" but now he's letting me have it because I can confirm myself as being town?
The also implies you can confirm yourself as 100% town, and then says it again.
Here you admit your role is important in its ability to confirm yourself. Yet you continue to run.Not running from it at all. I am openly admitting constaantly that my role has a power that can confirm itself to another player. It seems pretty clear I was roleblocked, it's very simple. I'm not saying "Oh no my role actually can't do that" just that it was prevented from doing so last night.i explained my role and how it worked and how it confirmed to people good for you cute addition ;o you're so snarkyanyone who didn't think of the possibility that that could be roleblocked/affected by busdrivers/affected by the lie of whoever it confirms to needs to take responsibility for that since I explained why I never brought it up in the first place I stand by the statement that my role confirms itself 100% to whoever I poke. What Artanis has said recently has made me more confident then ever that my role is not insane and that it does exactly as it says which means I was roleblocked, some other role stopped me from poking, or that jcarls lied alright, so when can we confirm if that's the truth?I suppose when I am not roleblocked and my poke goes through? Or that my poke goes through and the person I poked is honest about it? Perhaps I should poke you and see if you tell the truth about it or not.how is that a lie? if the poke goes through it is a 100% confirmation, that is the power and that is still the power I have. Just stop replying to him, no one except infinitestory (and his scum buddies if he's scum) will listen to him. You'll drag it on too. Why? The more desperate he gets the better everyone can see how scummy he's playing. And how easy it would be for the mafia to turn it against me if I just say nothing at all. Regardless I feel like this a lot of noise designed to distract from the Aeres situation. Pandain is playing pretty scummy, I do agree. However, what scares me is that this is exactly how he played in Haunted against Bill Murray, and he flipped town. So I'm not sure what to think. He might just be a really overzealous Devil's Advocate -_- But I think the argument needs to be dropped. Pandain, we do need to worry about Dr.H's alignment, but you two are saying the same things over and over again, and it is getting us no where. We know both of your stances. If we can move on with discussion, the town will benefit. The longer the town is stalled out on decision making for lynch targets, the more the Mafia benefits.
This is fine. TBH what I'm afraid of is the topic completely dropping after all those promises from DrH that he would confirm his role immediately. Youngminii certainly seemed to be putting it down entirely, which is still worrisome to me.
As for Aeres, his fake roleclaim was a bad move, no doubt. However, I'm not as sure as others that it paints him red. I find that his "slip," in which he insisted on the existence of 2 bodyguards, doesn't make as much sense if he's a red making a fake roleclaim to confuse the town (in which case he might have decided to just put down DC's softclaim and act as the only bodyguard). On the other hand, if he was a town making a fake roleclaim to confuse the mafia, the fact that he was certain of 2 bodyguards makes slightly more sense (because in that case, he has to act as if there are in fact 2 bodyguards).
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On November 01 2010 13:02 Coagulation wrote:
mods mistakenly confirmed pandain as town?
How so?
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On November 01 2010 13:02 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2010 12:57 jcarlsoniv wrote:On November 01 2010 12:55 Pandain wrote:
But you went along with claiming you could be confirmed, and then night comes and nothing happens.
With a hidden role setup, we have no way of knowing if you are what you say you are, or even if there is a roleblocker. And it is far to easy to wave aside everything by reaching to far fetched theories such as "perhaps jcarl just happened to be bussed! Cause they definitely knew I was checking him, and Jcarl was def a prime contender for visiting people.
This is a good point Pandain, I don't think Mafia would have known I would be poked. I had no idea myself that Dr.H even noticed I was posting (he did call me inactive at the beginning of the game after all =P). This leads me to believe that you were indeed role-blocked Dr.H This is where we are at. It is Dr. H's word, and his word alone. We have no idea if there is a roleblocker, or if he was actually roleblocked if the former is true. I suppose it's my word until my poke goes through to someone.But when you realize Dr. H knew he could be roleblocked, leaving town unsure of his alignment, yet runs on a campaign of "I'm going to be confirmed!", that is anti town. Everyone knew I could have been roleblocked. It's not my fault I was the only one who considered the possibility a roleblocker existed. I had admitted to a few possibilities that might hinder my confirmation during my campaign before I was elected, but that's something you'd rather ignore eh?And then he brings up more far fetched things such as indeed that mafia just happened to bus you. Never said busdriver would a mafia role or that he was bussed. I said it was a possibility. Should I not talk about what things are possible? About the different ways my action could have been blocked? A
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On November 01 2010 12:59 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2010 12:55 infinitestory wrote:On November 01 2010 12:54 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 01 2010 12:53 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Oh my god that was embarassing. Just as Pandain tried to vote, a green substance was flinged at his direction. He ran out of the voting booth crying.
Day 2 - 43 hours to go
Aeres: 3
Ace
youngminii
bumatlarge
Jcarlsoniv: 1
Elder Vote HMMMMMMMMMMMMMM Well, now a vote on you has been nullified twice. True but one was a vote to make me mayor and the other is a vote to make me dead ;o. Very differnet things don't you think?
To be fair, the Do-Gooder was required to use his vote on a mafia, whether it be during the mayor election or a regular lynch election.
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On November 01 2010 13:02 Coagulation wrote:
mods mistakenly confirmed pandain as town?
your connection to pandain is painfully obvious
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