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On November 01 2010 13:13 youngminii wrote:
So at the point where Aeres had already roleclaimed the second bodyguard (after Annul) a lot of people were asking Artanis whether or not he made lies up. Artanis replied that he would not give an outright lie. This would tell us there is only one bodyguard (unless I'm missing something) which essentially outs Aeres as a liar. So I'm thinking Artanis probably gave Aeres a heads up that he was going to say what he said about the lies beforehand so that Aeres could get a chance to redeem himself a little bit by admitting his lie. ie. he was backed into a corner with no more options.
I don't want to influence the game directly this much at all, but Aeres posted his message without any pressure from my side.
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On November 01 2010 13:14 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2010 12:58 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 01 2010 12:55 Pandain wrote:Alright, basically Doc here's the thing You lied. You said, constantly said, even after you claim you had abandoned it, that you could confirm yourself 100%. You also admit that that is why your role is important. No I didn't and I just kinda proved that after your pathetic attempt to make it seem that way in your last post. You keep repeating the same argument every time I knock it down. You said you, like me, could confirm myself 100%. and this is after you claim to have disregarded the "100%" thing. On October 31 2010 09:10 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
and when he claims to have such a huge role that can ALSO confirm itself as being 100% town. Not that I'm referring to your post which is in referral to my previous claim of 100% confirmation which I stick by circumstantially (as a 100% confirmation when my night action is not interfered with).But then you also admit you knew you were a prime contender for a roleblock. You misled the town, which you explain now as soaking up roleblocks. But any town can do that, and unless mafia already know who the dt's are or something there's no reason to soak up a roleblock. But this also brings up another point, now you also ran, despite the fact you knew you could likely be roleblocked, to soak up roleblocks. Not to be confirmed, which is why I and many others chose you to be mayor. The mafia (assuming they roleblocked me) now has to choose to allow me to confirm, undoing all the damage done to my campaign and character or to continue roleblocking me and allow other blue roles to act unchecked. This is a play that helps town very much.Except for the fact that now you are unconfirmed.What? Like I said. The mafia has to choose what is worse. Having me confirm or wasting their roleblock (if they have one.But you went along with claiming you could be confirmed, and then night comes and nothing happens. I'm still claiming that by the way. *yawn* tell me when it does Useless comment. I'll tell everyone obviously.With a hidden role setup, we have no way of knowing if you are what you say you are, or even if there is a roleblocker. And it is far to easy to wave aside everything by reaching to far fetched theories such as "perhaps jcarl just happened to be bussed! Cause they definitely knew I was checking him, and Jcarl was def a prime contender for visiting people. Far fetched? You think it's far fetched that Jcarl could have been bussed or that I could have been roleblocked but far more likely that I just made all this shit up? Why don't you go ahead and say I made the role of sticky up so I can make you look even more desperate and ridiculous.Yes it is far fetched. Do you honestly think mafia would know you would check Jcarl? I can't really comment on whether you made it up, or are GF, as there are numerous options all viable.Why assume busdriver is a mafia role? Why assum ethere is no town aligned commuter/hider role? If I was GF I would have had to made up the Sticky role as Artanis confirmed GF would have to do in the case that the role of GF existed. Also you are assuming there is a godfather which may not be the case. Why are you assuming Godfather exists? You're saying I either made up my role or I am the GF when both cases mean the same thing. That I made my role up.You misled the town to get elected, and cannot back up what you are saying you could do. And from the looks of it, we won't be able to for a while. Sure I can back it up. If my poke goes through it confirms my role. If I get roleblocked or my target is commuted/hidden/bussed/a mafia liar/whatever it won't go through and it won't work. It was obvious from the moment I claimed and explained how my role worked that this was a possibility. I even brought up the possibility that the person I poke could simply lie about it in the past. Come on dude. You campaigned on the basis you would be confirmed. Just bringing up the fact someone could lie(which is doubtful anyway) does not make you innocent Why is it doubtful? It's doubtful that the person I confirmed to would lie but it's not doubtful that I would lie? Do you think if I confirmed to a mafia they would tell the town that I confirmed to them? Come on.That is why I am voting youToo bad your vote didn't even go through lol 
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On November 01 2010 13:16 Nemesis wrote:
I don't know why there are a good amount of people lynching Aeres. Aeres basically roleclaimed to take a hit incase DC was actually bodyguard. And if he isn't lying about his role, that is basically the best thing he can do with it.
Also, what benefit could roleclaiming as bodyguard give mafia really?
Trust? Too much relaxation? As scum they could put us into a state of 'oh hey the Mayor has a bodyguard, he won't die, we don't need a doctor to protect him' if we think he's still got an active bodyguard.
I mean, who the hell would actually go to the trouble of making an entire 'Cruiseship Captain' role by themself? Looks like it was looked over and peer reviewed by an entire team of people imo.
The original Cruiseship Captain Crap:
On November 01 2010 04:12 Aeres wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Okay, since it seems that the Doc's position as Mayor is in jeopardy, I'm going to put some interesting info out there. On October 31 2010 10:23 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Further news I forgot to put in the night post: Due to budget cuts, we have only managed to purchase one bodyguard for the Mayor. Artanis lied. There are two Bodyguards, not one. I don't know who the first one is (I suspect it's DC), but I am the second one.I was going to play dumb about my role of Bodyguard until DC screwed up. I dunno if he really is the other Bodyguard, but if he is, I feel like if he was killed, then the Mafia, upon learning that there is a second Bodyguard (due to a failed hit on Mayor), would start hitting the most outspoken townspeople in lieu of the Mayor. Since I am in fact one of the more outspoken people in this topic, I was at risk of being "tapped", so to speak. I would also like to note that my normal role greatly assists my ability to act as a Bodyguard. Since Bodyguards block hits on the Mayor, killing them makes the Mayor vulnerable. My role is designed to increase my longevity as long as possible. My role is called the "Cruiseship Captain". I am eligible to PM a mod in order to set sail for the ocean and leave town for the night, thus becoming immune to any and all night actions (positive and negative alike, including roleblocks and DT checks). I am not permitted to set sail on consecutive nights. Because of this mechanic, I can survive on my own for a short while. Having a Medic tend to me will not be necessary for the first few nights. Once my role has been exhausted of uses (I do not know how many times I can set sail in this game, only that it is more than once), Medics are more than welcome to assist me. Also, please keep in mind that my role has an additional function that I am not presently willing to reveal. Yeah, this is all great, Aeres, but now you sound mighty suspicious to me!Well, yes, I cannot deny that I seem fishy (pardon the pun, I am a Cruiseship Captain, after all). I also imagine it does not help my case that setting sail makes me immune to DT checks. I assure you all, however, that I am working in the interests of the town. Believe me, I'd rather not cause suspicion when it isn't warranted, but DC's possibly slip-up forced my hand.
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Wait so you guys think a doctor cannot save me from this supposed hit? why? I really don't want to die just yet
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On November 01 2010 13:16 Nemesis wrote:
I don't know why there are a good amount of people lynching Aeres. Aeres basically roleclaimed to take a hit incase DC was actually bodyguard. And if he isn't lying about his role, that is basically the best thing he can do with it.
Also, what benefit could roleclaiming as bodyguard give mafia really?
On November 01 2010 11:49 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2010 11:45 Aeres wrote:On November 01 2010 11:44 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
So you claimed bodyguard to soak up a hit by using your ability to leave for the night? Is my understanding correct? In essence, yes. That makes sense but it isn't a very smart play. Of course it not being a smart play doesn't mean it isn't something you did. Mafia does benefit from fake claiming bodyguard but there is also a huge risk. They can't be sure that I don't know who my bodyguards are. It does seem like a really strange claim to make, from the perspective of mafia, if they knew there was only one bodyguard. If the other "real" bodyguard roleclaims it would blow up in the face of that mafia. However, since you assumed 666 was the real bodyguard at the time then I suppose you weren't looking forward to a future claim from a bodyguard.
By pretending to be bodyguard as mafia, you can draw medics onto you on days "you can't leave town". You could also claim "I'm all out of boat trips I need protection 24/7" and draw medics to you that way. As far as I see it the mafia fake has more to gain from this play than the town fake. That's why I'm voting for you.
It's also a way to setup a potential suicide bomber or the role that Misder talks about which is a mafia role that knows the role and name of anyone who targets him.
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On November 01 2010 13:15 youngminii wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2010 13:06 DCLXVI wrote:
So the potential doctor is risking saving a "confirmed" blue vs losing himself as well. Unless someone provides me with an good enough reason I will not fully roleclaim You're going to die anyway. Unless the mafia are allowed to move the hit?
I have no information to indicate the answer one way or the other, but I wouldn't be surprised if mine isn't the only role that indicates with the "mystery kill" in some way.
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EBWOP: Interacts, not indicates.
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On November 01 2010 13:19 DCLXVI wrote:
Wait so you guys think a doctor cannot save me from this supposed hit? why? I really don't want to die just yet
I believe you probably can be saved. But it could be dangerous if we try, because it could be a suicide bomber set up or something of the sort.
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Ok well I have classes tomorrow so I'm off to sleep.
I just placed a placeholder vote in case I don't have time to do a full analysis on who I should vote later on.
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On November 01 2010 13:22 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2010 13:19 DCLXVI wrote:
Wait so you guys think a doctor cannot save me from this supposed hit? why? I really don't want to die just yet I believe you probably can be saved. But it could be dangerous if we try, because it could be a suicide bomber set up or something of the sort.
My prophecies say "name will die" (italics are mine). Personally, I think it would be incredibly strange if the person couldn't be saved no matter what, but it is notably different phrasing from "name will be hit".
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On November 01 2010 13:19 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2010 13:14 Pandain wrote:On November 01 2010 12:58 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 01 2010 12:55 Pandain wrote:Alright, basically Doc here's the thing You lied. You said, constantly said, even after you claim you had abandoned it, that you could confirm yourself 100%. You also admit that that is why your role is important. No I didn't and I just kinda proved that after your pathetic attempt to make it seem that way in your last post. You keep repeating the same argument every time I knock it down. You said you, like me, could confirm myself 100%. and this is after you claim to have disregarded the "100%" thing. On October 31 2010 09:10 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
and when he claims to have such a huge role that can ALSO confirm itself as being 100% town. Not that I'm referring to your post which is in referral to my previous claim of 100% confirmation which I stick by circumstantially (as a 100% confirmation when my night action is not interfered with). Your reffering to both, and if you note the words "can" and "being" its obviously reffering to both mine and yours. But then you also admit you knew you were a prime contender for a roleblock. You misled the town, which you explain now as soaking up roleblocks. But any town can do that, and unless mafia already know who the dt's are or something there's no reason to soak up a roleblock. But this also brings up another point, now you also ran, despite the fact you knew you could likely be roleblocked, to soak up roleblocks. Not to be confirmed, which is why I and many others chose you to be mayor. The mafia (assuming they roleblocked me) now has to choose to allow me to confirm, undoing all the damage done to my campaign and character or to continue roleblocking me and allow other blue roles to act unchecked. This is a play that helps town very much.Except for the fact that now you are unconfirmed.What? Like I said. The mafia has to choose what is worse. Having me confirm or wasting their roleblock (if they have one. Great, letting mafia decide everything. A lie won't really benefit town if it has a huge draw back :/But you went along with claiming you could be confirmed, and then night comes and nothing happens. I'm still claiming that by the way. *yawn* tell me when it does Useless comment. I'll tell everyone obviously. point is most likely it's not going to happen anytime soon, and I highly doubt it will ever With a hidden role setup, we have no way of knowing if you are what you say you are, or even if there is a roleblocker. And it is far to easy to wave aside everything by reaching to far fetched theories such as "perhaps jcarl just happened to be bussed! Cause they definitely knew I was checking him, and Jcarl was def a prime contender for visiting people. Far fetched? You think it's far fetched that Jcarl could have been bussed or that I could have been roleblocked but far more likely that I just made all this shit up? Why don't you go ahead and say I made the role of sticky up so I can make you look even more desperate and ridiculous.Yes it is far fetched. Do you honestly think mafia would know you would check Jcarl? I can't really comment on whether you made it up, or are GF, as there are numerous options all viable.Why assume busdriver is a mafia role? Why assum ethere is no town aligned commuter/hider role? If I was GF I would have had to made up the Sticky role as Artanis confirmed GF would have to do in the case that the role of GF existed. Also you are assuming there is a godfather which may not be the case. Why are you assuming Godfather exists? You're saying I either made up my role or I am the GF when both cases mean the same thing. That I made my role up. Why, why why. If there is a bus driver who is town, they'll claim so. Othwerwise, it's pretty safe to assume any one will be mafia. And what do you mean assume there is no commuter/hider role. Jcarl isn't, or else he would've said so. Point is there are many things that could happen if you are mafia which explain this situation. There is really only one for you: You were roleblocked, or are lying. And character evidence doesn't exactly help you. You misled the town to get elected, and cannot back up what you are saying you could do. And from the looks of it, we won't be able to for a while. Sure I can back it up. If my poke goes through it confirms my role. If I get roleblocked or my target is commuted/hidden/bussed/a mafia liar/whatever it won't go through and it won't work. It was obvious from the moment I claimed and explained how my role worked that this was a possibility. I even brought up the possibility that the person I poke could simply lie about it in the past. Come on dude. You campaigned on the basis you would be confirmed. Just bringing up the fact someone could lie(which is doubtful anyway) does not make you innocent Why is it doubtful? It's doubtful that the person I confirmed to would lie but it's not doubtful that I would lie? Do you think if I confirmed to a mafia they would tell the town that I confirmed to them? Come on. you yourself believed, and still believe Jcarl is not. However, due to your way of winning the election I am highly suscipcious of you. That is why I am voting youToo bad your vote didn't even go through lol
so many colors.............
also note how his argument is devolving. You cannot ignore this people, do not jump on a bandwagon to aeres.
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On November 01 2010 13:31 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2010 13:19 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 01 2010 13:14 Pandain wrote:On November 01 2010 12:58 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 01 2010 12:55 Pandain wrote:Alright, basically Doc here's the thing You lied. You said, constantly said, even after you claim you had abandoned it, that you could confirm yourself 100%. You also admit that that is why your role is important. No I didn't and I just kinda proved that after your pathetic attempt to make it seem that way in your last post. You keep repeating the same argument every time I knock it down. You said you, like me, could confirm myself 100%. and this is after you claim to have disregarded the "100%" thing. On October 31 2010 09:10 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
and when he claims to have such a huge role that can ALSO confirm itself as being 100% town. Not that I'm referring to your post which is in referral to my previous claim of 100% confirmation which I stick by circumstantially (as a 100% confirmation when my night action is not interfered with). Your reffering to both, and if you note the words "can" and "being" its obviously reffering to both mine and yours. But then you also admit you knew you were a prime contender for a roleblock. You misled the town, which you explain now as soaking up roleblocks. But any town can do that, and unless mafia already know who the dt's are or something there's no reason to soak up a roleblock. But this also brings up another point, now you also ran, despite the fact you knew you could likely be roleblocked, to soak up roleblocks. Not to be confirmed, which is why I and many others chose you to be mayor. The mafia (assuming they roleblocked me) now has to choose to allow me to confirm, undoing all the damage done to my campaign and character or to continue roleblocking me and allow other blue roles to act unchecked. This is a play that helps town very much.Except for the fact that now you are unconfirmed.What? Like I said. The mafia has to choose what is worse. Having me confirm or wasting their roleblock (if they have one. Great, letting mafia decide everything. A lie won't really benefit town if it has a huge draw back :/But you went along with claiming you could be confirmed, and then night comes and nothing happens. I'm still claiming that by the way. *yawn* tell me when it does Useless comment. I'll tell everyone obviously. point is most likely it's not going to happen anytime soon, and I highly doubt it will ever With a hidden role setup, we have no way of knowing if you are what you say you are, or even if there is a roleblocker. And it is far to easy to wave aside everything by reaching to far fetched theories such as "perhaps jcarl just happened to be bussed! Cause they definitely knew I was checking him, and Jcarl was def a prime contender for visiting people. Far fetched? You think it's far fetched that Jcarl could have been bussed or that I could have been roleblocked but far more likely that I just made all this shit up? Why don't you go ahead and say I made the role of sticky up so I can make you look even more desperate and ridiculous.Yes it is far fetched. Do you honestly think mafia would know you would check Jcarl? I can't really comment on whether you made it up, or are GF, as there are numerous options all viable.Why assume busdriver is a mafia role? Why assum ethere is no town aligned commuter/hider role? If I was GF I would have had to made up the Sticky role as Artanis confirmed GF would have to do in the case that the role of GF existed. Also you are assuming there is a godfather which may not be the case. Why are you assuming Godfather exists? You're saying I either made up my role or I am the GF when both cases mean the same thing. That I made my role up. Why, why why. If there is a bus driver who is town, they'll claim so. Othwerwise, it's pretty safe to assume any one will be mafia. And what do you mean assume there is no commuter/hider role. Jcarl isn't, or else he would've said so. Point is there are many things that could happen if you are mafia which explain this situation. There is really only one for you: You were roleblocked, or are lying. And character evidence doesn't exactly help you. You misled the town to get elected, and cannot back up what you are saying you could do. And from the looks of it, we won't be able to for a while. Sure I can back it up. If my poke goes through it confirms my role. If I get roleblocked or my target is commuted/hidden/bussed/a mafia liar/whatever it won't go through and it won't work. It was obvious from the moment I claimed and explained how my role worked that this was a possibility. I even brought up the possibility that the person I poke could simply lie about it in the past. Come on dude. You campaigned on the basis you would be confirmed. Just bringing up the fact someone could lie(which is doubtful anyway) does not make you innocent Why is it doubtful? It's doubtful that the person I confirmed to would lie but it's not doubtful that I would lie? Do you think if I confirmed to a mafia they would tell the town that I confirmed to them? Come on. you yourself believed, and still believe Jcarl is not. However, due to your way of winning the election I am highly suscipcious of you. That is why I am voting youToo bad your vote didn't even go through lol so many colors............. also note how his argument is devolving. You cannot ignore this people, do not jump on a bandwagon to aeres.
devolving? how so? I feel I'm being pretty consistent.
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On November 01 2010 13:33 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2010 13:31 Pandain wrote:On November 01 2010 13:19 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 01 2010 13:14 Pandain wrote:On November 01 2010 12:58 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 01 2010 12:55 Pandain wrote:Alright, basically Doc here's the thing You lied. You said, constantly said, even after you claim you had abandoned it, that you could confirm yourself 100%. You also admit that that is why your role is important. No I didn't and I just kinda proved that after your pathetic attempt to make it seem that way in your last post. You keep repeating the same argument every time I knock it down. You said you, like me, could confirm myself 100%. and this is after you claim to have disregarded the "100%" thing. On October 31 2010 09:10 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
and when he claims to have such a huge role that can ALSO confirm itself as being 100% town. Not that I'm referring to your post which is in referral to my previous claim of 100% confirmation which I stick by circumstantially (as a 100% confirmation when my night action is not interfered with). Your reffering to both, and if you note the words "can" and "being" its obviously reffering to both mine and yours. But then you also admit you knew you were a prime contender for a roleblock. You misled the town, which you explain now as soaking up roleblocks. But any town can do that, and unless mafia already know who the dt's are or something there's no reason to soak up a roleblock. But this also brings up another point, now you also ran, despite the fact you knew you could likely be roleblocked, to soak up roleblocks. Not to be confirmed, which is why I and many others chose you to be mayor. The mafia (assuming they roleblocked me) now has to choose to allow me to confirm, undoing all the damage done to my campaign and character or to continue roleblocking me and allow other blue roles to act unchecked. This is a play that helps town very much.Except for the fact that now you are unconfirmed.What? Like I said. The mafia has to choose what is worse. Having me confirm or wasting their roleblock (if they have one. Great, letting mafia decide everything. A lie won't really benefit town if it has a huge draw back :/But you went along with claiming you could be confirmed, and then night comes and nothing happens. I'm still claiming that by the way. *yawn* tell me when it does Useless comment. I'll tell everyone obviously. point is most likely it's not going to happen anytime soon, and I highly doubt it will ever With a hidden role setup, we have no way of knowing if you are what you say you are, or even if there is a roleblocker. And it is far to easy to wave aside everything by reaching to far fetched theories such as "perhaps jcarl just happened to be bussed! Cause they definitely knew I was checking him, and Jcarl was def a prime contender for visiting people. Far fetched? You think it's far fetched that Jcarl could have been bussed or that I could have been roleblocked but far more likely that I just made all this shit up? Why don't you go ahead and say I made the role of sticky up so I can make you look even more desperate and ridiculous.Yes it is far fetched. Do you honestly think mafia would know you would check Jcarl? I can't really comment on whether you made it up, or are GF, as there are numerous options all viable.Why assume busdriver is a mafia role? Why assum ethere is no town aligned commuter/hider role? If I was GF I would have had to made up the Sticky role as Artanis confirmed GF would have to do in the case that the role of GF existed. Also you are assuming there is a godfather which may not be the case. Why are you assuming Godfather exists? You're saying I either made up my role or I am the GF when both cases mean the same thing. That I made my role up. Why, why why. If there is a bus driver who is town, they'll claim so. Othwerwise, it's pretty safe to assume any one will be mafia. And what do you mean assume there is no commuter/hider role. Jcarl isn't, or else he would've said so. Point is there are many things that could happen if you are mafia which explain this situation. There is really only one for you: You were roleblocked, or are lying. And character evidence doesn't exactly help you. You misled the town to get elected, and cannot back up what you are saying you could do. And from the looks of it, we won't be able to for a while. Sure I can back it up. If my poke goes through it confirms my role. If I get roleblocked or my target is commuted/hidden/bussed/a mafia liar/whatever it won't go through and it won't work. It was obvious from the moment I claimed and explained how my role worked that this was a possibility. I even brought up the possibility that the person I poke could simply lie about it in the past. Come on dude. You campaigned on the basis you would be confirmed. Just bringing up the fact someone could lie(which is doubtful anyway) does not make you innocent Why is it doubtful? It's doubtful that the person I confirmed to would lie but it's not doubtful that I would lie? Do you think if I confirmed to a mafia they would tell the town that I confirmed to them? Come on. you yourself believed, and still believe Jcarl is not. However, due to your way of winning the election I am highly suscipcious of you. That is why I am voting youToo bad your vote didn't even go through lol so many colors............. also note how his argument is devolving. You cannot ignore this people, do not jump on a bandwagon to aeres. devolving? how so? I feel I'm being pretty consistent.
Basically disagreeing what a sentence clearly says, disagreeing with yourself "Even though I think jcarl is town, and that he is telling the truth, i think he lied", so forth
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On November 01 2010 13:31 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2010 13:19 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 01 2010 13:14 Pandain wrote:On November 01 2010 12:58 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 01 2010 12:55 Pandain wrote:Alright, basically Doc here's the thing You lied. You said, constantly said, even after you claim you had abandoned it, that you could confirm yourself 100%. You also admit that that is why your role is important. No I didn't and I just kinda proved that after your pathetic attempt to make it seem that way in your last post. You keep repeating the same argument every time I knock it down. You said you, like me, could confirm myself 100%. and this is after you claim to have disregarded the "100%" thing. On October 31 2010 09:10 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
and when he claims to have such a huge role that can ALSO confirm itself as being 100% town. Not that I'm referring to your post which is in referral to my previous claim of 100% confirmation which I stick by circumstantially (as a 100% confirmation when my night action is not interfered with). Your reffering to both, and if you note the words "can" and "being" its obviously reffering to both mine and yours. But then you also admit you knew you were a prime contender for a roleblock. You misled the town, which you explain now as soaking up roleblocks. But any town can do that, and unless mafia already know who the dt's are or something there's no reason to soak up a roleblock. But this also brings up another point, now you also ran, despite the fact you knew you could likely be roleblocked, to soak up roleblocks. Not to be confirmed, which is why I and many others chose you to be mayor. The mafia (assuming they roleblocked me) now has to choose to allow me to confirm, undoing all the damage done to my campaign and character or to continue roleblocking me and allow other blue roles to act unchecked. This is a play that helps town very much.Except for the fact that now you are unconfirmed.What? Like I said. The mafia has to choose what is worse. Having me confirm or wasting their roleblock (if they have one. Great, letting mafia decide everything. A lie won't really benefit town if it has a huge draw back :/But you went along with claiming you could be confirmed, and then night comes and nothing happens. I'm still claiming that by the way. *yawn* tell me when it does Useless comment. I'll tell everyone obviously. point is most likely it's not going to happen anytime soon, and I highly doubt it will ever With a hidden role setup, we have no way of knowing if you are what you say you are, or even if there is a roleblocker. And it is far to easy to wave aside everything by reaching to far fetched theories such as "perhaps jcarl just happened to be bussed! Cause they definitely knew I was checking him, and Jcarl was def a prime contender for visiting people. Far fetched? You think it's far fetched that Jcarl could have been bussed or that I could have been roleblocked but far more likely that I just made all this shit up? Why don't you go ahead and say I made the role of sticky up so I can make you look even more desperate and ridiculous.Yes it is far fetched. Do you honestly think mafia would know you would check Jcarl? I can't really comment on whether you made it up, or are GF, as there are numerous options all viable.Why assume busdriver is a mafia role? Why assum ethere is no town aligned commuter/hider role? If I was GF I would have had to made up the Sticky role as Artanis confirmed GF would have to do in the case that the role of GF existed. Also you are assuming there is a godfather which may not be the case. Why are you assuming Godfather exists? You're saying I either made up my role or I am the GF when both cases mean the same thing. That I made my role up. Why, why why. If there is a bus driver who is town, they'll claim so. Othwerwise, it's pretty safe to assume any one will be mafia. And what do you mean assume there is no commuter/hider role. Jcarl isn't, or else he would've said so. Point is there are many things that could happen if you are mafia which explain this situation. There is really only one for you: You were roleblocked, or are lying. And character evidence doesn't exactly help you. You misled the town to get elected, and cannot back up what you are saying you could do. And from the looks of it, we won't be able to for a while. Sure I can back it up. If my poke goes through it confirms my role. If I get roleblocked or my target is commuted/hidden/bussed/a mafia liar/whatever it won't go through and it won't work. It was obvious from the moment I claimed and explained how my role worked that this was a possibility. I even brought up the possibility that the person I poke could simply lie about it in the past. Come on dude. You campaigned on the basis you would be confirmed. Just bringing up the fact someone could lie(which is doubtful anyway) does not make you innocent Why is it doubtful? It's doubtful that the person I confirmed to would lie but it's not doubtful that I would lie? Do you think if I confirmed to a mafia they would tell the town that I confirmed to them? Come on. you yourself believed, and still believe Jcarl is not. However, due to your way of winning the election I am highly suscipcious of you. That is why I am voting youToo bad your vote didn't even go through lol so many colors............. also note how his argument is devolving. You cannot ignore this people, do not jump on a bandwagon to aeres.
It's not devolving, it just hasn't gone anywhere at all. You both are saying the same thing over and over, and I think it needs to stop for now.
That being said, I want to make sure the town doesn't just feel too secure with Dr.H (youngminii is too secure imo, a bit suspicious). This shouldn't just drop off the face of the game, but at the same time, I think new issues should be looked at for the time being. This argument between you two is getting the town nowhere.
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On November 01 2010 13:19 youngminii wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2010 13:16 Nemesis wrote:
I don't know why there are a good amount of people lynching Aeres. Aeres basically roleclaimed to take a hit incase DC was actually bodyguard. And if he isn't lying about his role, that is basically the best thing he can do with it.
Also, what benefit could roleclaiming as bodyguard give mafia really? Trust? Too much relaxation? As scum they could put us into a state of 'oh hey the Mayor has a bodyguard, he won't die, we don't need a doctor to protect him' if we think he's still got an active bodyguard. I mean, who the hell would actually go to the trouble of making an entire 'Cruiseship Captain' role by themself? Looks like it was looked over and peer reviewed by an entire team of people imo. The original Cruiseship Captain Crap: Show nested quote +On November 01 2010 04:12 Aeres wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Okay, since it seems that the Doc's position as Mayor is in jeopardy, I'm going to put some interesting info out there. On October 31 2010 10:23 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Further news I forgot to put in the night post: Due to budget cuts, we have only managed to purchase one bodyguard for the Mayor. Artanis lied. There are two Bodyguards, not one. I don't know who the first one is (I suspect it's DC), but I am the second one.I was going to play dumb about my role of Bodyguard until DC screwed up. I dunno if he really is the other Bodyguard, but if he is, I feel like if he was killed, then the Mafia, upon learning that there is a second Bodyguard (due to a failed hit on Mayor), would start hitting the most outspoken townspeople in lieu of the Mayor. Since I am in fact one of the more outspoken people in this topic, I was at risk of being "tapped", so to speak. I would also like to note that my normal role greatly assists my ability to act as a Bodyguard. Since Bodyguards block hits on the Mayor, killing them makes the Mayor vulnerable. My role is designed to increase my longevity as long as possible. My role is called the "Cruiseship Captain". I am eligible to PM a mod in order to set sail for the ocean and leave town for the night, thus becoming immune to any and all night actions (positive and negative alike, including roleblocks and DT checks). I am not permitted to set sail on consecutive nights. Because of this mechanic, I can survive on my own for a short while. Having a Medic tend to me will not be necessary for the first few nights. Once my role has been exhausted of uses (I do not know how many times I can set sail in this game, only that it is more than once), Medics are more than welcome to assist me. Also, please keep in mind that my role has an additional function that I am not presently willing to reveal. Yeah, this is all great, Aeres, but now you sound mighty suspicious to me!Well, yes, I cannot deny that I seem fishy (pardon the pun, I am a Cruiseship Captain, after all). I also imagine it does not help my case that setting sail makes me immune to DT checks. I assure you all, however, that I am working in the interests of the town. Believe me, I'd rather not cause suspicion when it isn't warranted, but DC's possibly slip-up forced my hand.
Grr last post for tonight. Except he told us that he actually lied so your argument is null.
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w/e I'm going to sleep. When I wake up and after school I'll see what you've said. If you're really town, hopefully you'll be able to convicne me. but right now I doubt it...
Just don't bandwagon aeres while I'm gone, mmkay?
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On November 01 2010 13:38 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2010 13:33 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 01 2010 13:31 Pandain wrote:On November 01 2010 13:19 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 01 2010 13:14 Pandain wrote:On November 01 2010 12:58 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 01 2010 12:55 Pandain wrote:Alright, basically Doc here's the thing You lied. You said, constantly said, even after you claim you had abandoned it, that you could confirm yourself 100%. You also admit that that is why your role is important. No I didn't and I just kinda proved that after your pathetic attempt to make it seem that way in your last post. You keep repeating the same argument every time I knock it down. You said you, like me, could confirm myself 100%. and this is after you claim to have disregarded the "100%" thing. On October 31 2010 09:10 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
and when he claims to have such a huge role that can ALSO confirm itself as being 100% town. Not that I'm referring to your post which is in referral to my previous claim of 100% confirmation which I stick by circumstantially (as a 100% confirmation when my night action is not interfered with). Your reffering to both, and if you note the words "can" and "being" its obviously reffering to both mine and yours. But then you also admit you knew you were a prime contender for a roleblock. You misled the town, which you explain now as soaking up roleblocks. But any town can do that, and unless mafia already know who the dt's are or something there's no reason to soak up a roleblock. But this also brings up another point, now you also ran, despite the fact you knew you could likely be roleblocked, to soak up roleblocks. Not to be confirmed, which is why I and many others chose you to be mayor. The mafia (assuming they roleblocked me) now has to choose to allow me to confirm, undoing all the damage done to my campaign and character or to continue roleblocking me and allow other blue roles to act unchecked. This is a play that helps town very much.Except for the fact that now you are unconfirmed.What? Like I said. The mafia has to choose what is worse. Having me confirm or wasting their roleblock (if they have one. Great, letting mafia decide everything. A lie won't really benefit town if it has a huge draw back :/But you went along with claiming you could be confirmed, and then night comes and nothing happens. I'm still claiming that by the way. *yawn* tell me when it does Useless comment. I'll tell everyone obviously. point is most likely it's not going to happen anytime soon, and I highly doubt it will ever With a hidden role setup, we have no way of knowing if you are what you say you are, or even if there is a roleblocker. And it is far to easy to wave aside everything by reaching to far fetched theories such as "perhaps jcarl just happened to be bussed! Cause they definitely knew I was checking him, and Jcarl was def a prime contender for visiting people. Far fetched? You think it's far fetched that Jcarl could have been bussed or that I could have been roleblocked but far more likely that I just made all this shit up? Why don't you go ahead and say I made the role of sticky up so I can make you look even more desperate and ridiculous.Yes it is far fetched. Do you honestly think mafia would know you would check Jcarl? I can't really comment on whether you made it up, or are GF, as there are numerous options all viable.Why assume busdriver is a mafia role? Why assum ethere is no town aligned commuter/hider role? If I was GF I would have had to made up the Sticky role as Artanis confirmed GF would have to do in the case that the role of GF existed. Also you are assuming there is a godfather which may not be the case. Why are you assuming Godfather exists? You're saying I either made up my role or I am the GF when both cases mean the same thing. That I made my role up. Why, why why. If there is a bus driver who is town, they'll claim so. Othwerwise, it's pretty safe to assume any one will be mafia. And what do you mean assume there is no commuter/hider role. Jcarl isn't, or else he would've said so. Point is there are many things that could happen if you are mafia which explain this situation. There is really only one for you: You were roleblocked, or are lying. And character evidence doesn't exactly help you. You misled the town to get elected, and cannot back up what you are saying you could do. And from the looks of it, we won't be able to for a while. Sure I can back it up. If my poke goes through it confirms my role. If I get roleblocked or my target is commuted/hidden/bussed/a mafia liar/whatever it won't go through and it won't work. It was obvious from the moment I claimed and explained how my role worked that this was a possibility. I even brought up the possibility that the person I poke could simply lie about it in the past. Come on dude. You campaigned on the basis you would be confirmed. Just bringing up the fact someone could lie(which is doubtful anyway) does not make you innocent Why is it doubtful? It's doubtful that the person I confirmed to would lie but it's not doubtful that I would lie? Do you think if I confirmed to a mafia they would tell the town that I confirmed to them? Come on. you yourself believed, and still believe Jcarl is not. However, due to your way of winning the election I am highly suscipcious of you. That is why I am voting youToo bad your vote didn't even go through lol so many colors............. also note how his argument is devolving. You cannot ignore this people, do not jump on a bandwagon to aeres. devolving? how so? I feel I'm being pretty consistent. Basically disagreeing what a sentence clearly says, disagreeing with yourself "Even though I think jcarl is town, and that he is telling the truth, i think he lied", so forth
YOU ARE SO BAD AT LYING
WHEN DID I EVER SAY JCARLS WAS LYING
I said it was "more likely", I never accused him. I never went back on what I said. I explained this to you 3 times and you dropped it and now you're bringing up that ridiculous argument again.
Could you be trying harder to make me look red Mr.Mafia?
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On November 01 2010 13:38 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2010 13:31 Pandain wrote:On November 01 2010 13:19 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 01 2010 13:14 Pandain wrote:On November 01 2010 12:58 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 01 2010 12:55 Pandain wrote:Alright, basically Doc here's the thing You lied. You said, constantly said, even after you claim you had abandoned it, that you could confirm yourself 100%. You also admit that that is why your role is important. No I didn't and I just kinda proved that after your pathetic attempt to make it seem that way in your last post. You keep repeating the same argument every time I knock it down. You said you, like me, could confirm myself 100%. and this is after you claim to have disregarded the "100%" thing. On October 31 2010 09:10 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
and when he claims to have such a huge role that can ALSO confirm itself as being 100% town. Not that I'm referring to your post which is in referral to my previous claim of 100% confirmation which I stick by circumstantially (as a 100% confirmation when my night action is not interfered with). Your reffering to both, and if you note the words "can" and "being" its obviously reffering to both mine and yours. But then you also admit you knew you were a prime contender for a roleblock. You misled the town, which you explain now as soaking up roleblocks. But any town can do that, and unless mafia already know who the dt's are or something there's no reason to soak up a roleblock. But this also brings up another point, now you also ran, despite the fact you knew you could likely be roleblocked, to soak up roleblocks. Not to be confirmed, which is why I and many others chose you to be mayor. The mafia (assuming they roleblocked me) now has to choose to allow me to confirm, undoing all the damage done to my campaign and character or to continue roleblocking me and allow other blue roles to act unchecked. This is a play that helps town very much.Except for the fact that now you are unconfirmed.What? Like I said. The mafia has to choose what is worse. Having me confirm or wasting their roleblock (if they have one. Great, letting mafia decide everything. A lie won't really benefit town if it has a huge draw back :/But you went along with claiming you could be confirmed, and then night comes and nothing happens. I'm still claiming that by the way. *yawn* tell me when it does Useless comment. I'll tell everyone obviously. point is most likely it's not going to happen anytime soon, and I highly doubt it will ever With a hidden role setup, we have no way of knowing if you are what you say you are, or even if there is a roleblocker. And it is far to easy to wave aside everything by reaching to far fetched theories such as "perhaps jcarl just happened to be bussed! Cause they definitely knew I was checking him, and Jcarl was def a prime contender for visiting people. Far fetched? You think it's far fetched that Jcarl could have been bussed or that I could have been roleblocked but far more likely that I just made all this shit up? Why don't you go ahead and say I made the role of sticky up so I can make you look even more desperate and ridiculous.Yes it is far fetched. Do you honestly think mafia would know you would check Jcarl? I can't really comment on whether you made it up, or are GF, as there are numerous options all viable.Why assume busdriver is a mafia role? Why assum ethere is no town aligned commuter/hider role? If I was GF I would have had to made up the Sticky role as Artanis confirmed GF would have to do in the case that the role of GF existed. Also you are assuming there is a godfather which may not be the case. Why are you assuming Godfather exists? You're saying I either made up my role or I am the GF when both cases mean the same thing. That I made my role up. Why, why why. If there is a bus driver who is town, they'll claim so. Othwerwise, it's pretty safe to assume any one will be mafia. And what do you mean assume there is no commuter/hider role. Jcarl isn't, or else he would've said so. Point is there are many things that could happen if you are mafia which explain this situation. There is really only one for you: You were roleblocked, or are lying. And character evidence doesn't exactly help you. You misled the town to get elected, and cannot back up what you are saying you could do. And from the looks of it, we won't be able to for a while. Sure I can back it up. If my poke goes through it confirms my role. If I get roleblocked or my target is commuted/hidden/bussed/a mafia liar/whatever it won't go through and it won't work. It was obvious from the moment I claimed and explained how my role worked that this was a possibility. I even brought up the possibility that the person I poke could simply lie about it in the past. Come on dude. You campaigned on the basis you would be confirmed. Just bringing up the fact someone could lie(which is doubtful anyway) does not make you innocent Why is it doubtful? It's doubtful that the person I confirmed to would lie but it's not doubtful that I would lie? Do you think if I confirmed to a mafia they would tell the town that I confirmed to them? Come on. you yourself believed, and still believe Jcarl is not. However, due to your way of winning the election I am highly suscipcious of you. That is why I am voting youToo bad your vote didn't even go through lol so many colors............. also note how his argument is devolving. You cannot ignore this people, do not jump on a bandwagon to aeres. It's not devolving, it just hasn't gone anywhere at all. You both are saying the same thing over and over, and I think it needs to stop for now. That being said, I want to make sure the town doesn't just feel too secure with Dr.H (youngminii is too secure imo, a bit suspicious). This shouldn't just drop off the face of the game, but at the same time, I think new issues should be looked at for the time being. This argument between you two is getting the town nowhere.
it's getting pandain more and more desperate and he's revealing himself as scummier and scummier with every post
this is brilliant for us actually
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Yeah, I'm sleeping. Accounting exam in the morning FTL...
Gimme something productive to read in the morning! =)
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You should see Pandain's style of play in other games. In almost every game as town he would pull this type of shit and get killed and flip town and cause mass confusion.
@jcarl: I understand what you mean by the town being very secure about me but there's not much they can do. As far as they can tell, I might be invincible and trying to kill me will do nothing. In any case, there's not really anything toooooo scummy about my (perceived) role imo.
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