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Pyrrhuloxia
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On August 12 2010 13:16 ~OpZ~ wrote: I told you to stop fucking putting distrust in the circle. I'm voting you now. Lol Vayesh finally convinces me on the circle and I return to the thread to see I'm getting voted for not trusting it. | ||
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Pyrrhuloxia
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On August 12 2010 13:16 ~OpZ~ wrote: I told you to stop fucking putting distrust in the circle. I'm voting you now. You forgot to vote for me. | ||
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bumatlarge
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Pyrrhuloxia
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+ Show Spoiler + They voted in the vote thread without any explanation, good catch let me find the votes... Misder - "##Vote youngminii god dang it. I did it again... I keep forgetting to vote after I say I vote..." Tree.hugger - "As promised in pm's. ##Vote: Youngminii His defense gets less and less compelling the more I look at it." ----------------------------------------- Original Message: what did you mean by this? "Hey uh, misder and tree hugger, why dont you come and say that stuff in PM land in here?" Did anyone get any of these alleged PM's from tree.hugger about voting for youngminii over Bill Murray? | ||
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Chezinu
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they killed my sanity keeper... Now, who am I going to talk to... | ||
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Chezinu
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Important Did anyone get roleblocked last night? | ||
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Chezinu
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On August 11 2010 12:12 Chezinu wrote: I declare Divinek has immunity tonight. Its his birthday guys.. Be nice. This game got a lot meaner.. | ||
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Hesmyrr
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On August 12 2010 11:31 rastaban wrote: I was role blocked last night guys | ||
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Chezinu
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thanks, missed that post. | ||
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Bill Murray
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Pyrrhuloxia
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On August 12 2010 11:24 Foolishness wrote: You got it backwards, he wasn't pushing the youngminii lynch very hard, he was just going along with it. There's a big difference. Foolishness: Accurate here or way way suspiciously inaccurate? You decide. Tree.Hugger's posts about Bill Murray / Foolishness on Day 1: + Show Spoiler + First one: "Pyrr and BM are either geniuses, or they both fell on their swords spectacularly." I remember at the time thinking WTF does he mean? I still don't know what the fuck this means. I guess he was trying to link the two of us? I don't know. The rest of the post doesn't mention BM. On August 07 2010 09:45 tree.hugger wrote: Maybe he's waiting for more people to post, or for the day lynch so he doesn't look like an idiot in accusing someone who flips green? Either way, anyone who says they've figured out who the mafia is on Day 1 is wrong. It obviously doesn't work that way, or else we wouldn't play the game. Calling mafia on the first day is just a silly bluff that really doesn't help anyone, but does get people posting and information out in the thread, which is always good. Also, I like the idea of picking an inactive to lynch off of the SPL results. It's a good way to put pressure on any mafia inactives who wouldn't want to leave their survival up to chance. laaan and love1another haven't done anything really, we've can't let them off the hook on a 4-0! We all know it's going 7 and ending in a sick fantasy-flash ace match. I'm stupid for suggesting mafia Day 1... maybe. Or is town stupid for agreeing that we always lynch an innocent inactive day 1 and then doing that anyway? On August 07 2010 09:50 tree.hugger wrote: Woah woah woah, Pyrr, I know you were screwing people over last game because you were mafia, but if you start doing this again, you'll end up on the suspect list again. You've seriously figured out two mafia based on a handful of posts on Day 1? Bogus. We have no call for lynching BM with little more than your word today, even as bad as he might play. We have nothing on him. And now you're going after Foolishness because he called you out on your list? Not everyone who criticizes you is automatically mafia. Tree.Hugger has now made 5 posts in the thread. Three of these five speak out against lynching BM. They are increasingly more direct and desperate and Bill Murray's lynch continues to lead. I'm curious if any of you innocent players reading this were persuaded against me by some of these posts. On August 07 2010 09:45 tree.hugger wrote: Maybe he's waiting for more people to post, or for the day lynch so he doesn't look like an idiot in accusing someone who flips green? Either way, anyone who says they've figured out who the mafia is on Day 1 is wrong. It obviously doesn't work that way, or else we wouldn't play the game. Calling mafia on the first day is just a silly bluff that really doesn't help anyone, but does get people posting and information out in the thread, which is always good. Also, I like the idea of picking an inactive to lynch off of the SPL results. It's a good way to put pressure on any mafia inactives who wouldn't want to leave their survival up to chance. laaan and love1another haven't done anything really, we've can't let them off the hook on a 4-0! We all know it's going 7 and ending in a sick fantasy-flash ace match. That's right - don't go after BM. We have a much better chance at red by lynching love1another. Let's not use this thinking anymore. Reds have 5 teammates who will be able pm players and remind them to post. They are much less likely to be super inactive. On August 07 2010 10:22 tree.hugger wrote: I don't really think so, unless a mafia is really under threat, and the mafia thinks it can save that person without exposing themselves, (or if the person is one of the special roles, I guess) then they're likely to stay quiet and see if other people defend them first. I do see his post as poor reasoning, but not a scumtell by any stretch. See you keep thinking that BM was under serious pressure at that point, but the game had barely started. I could imagine someone pulling that when they're under the gun, but BM had three votes, a day ago, and the day hasn't even finished. I don't think we're nearly enough into the game to be saying things like that. The person who has the most votes after a few hours never gets lynched. I think BM is defending himself, but not to the point of desperation that you suggest. I just don't see the scumtells that you see. Tree.hugger has now used FOUR OF HIS SIX POSTS (including a double post) to DEFEND BILL MURRAY. All you fuckers have been putting me down for tunneling on Bill Murray. I'm not sure MY ratio of BM to non-BM posts was this high at this point in the game! You'll notice, by the way, that this is the chainsaw defense I accused Foolishness of - Tree.Hugger is somehow, this early on day 1, willing to insult the fuck out of me for trying to catch a red. Youngminii has yet to be mentioned. Foolishness saw no defense of Bill Murray in Tree.Hugger's posting, even though Tree.Hugger consistently defended BM on Days 1 and 2. No, it is much more likely to Foolishness that Tree.Hugger would try to save Bill Murray by helping boost a bandwagon on his own teammate, Youngminii, on day 2. (A bandwagon I think Foolishness started?) Also, Misder and Tree.Hugger put their votes onto Youngminii at the same time Day 2. Misder and Foolishness put their votes onto Youngminii at the same time Day 3. Hmm. Coincidence? Ya, maybe. Coincidence that Foolishness read all of Tree.Hugger's posts and didn't see that he was defending Bill Murray and pushing very hard for Youngminii's death? No way in hell. I love how Tree.Hugger goes out on a limb to suggest that the mafia aren't panicked. Why the hell would a mafia go out on a limb to help town out on something like this rather than hanging back a bit and letting town mistakenly take down a supposedly good player [this said, I think it would be a good strategy as mafia to keep an innocent BM alive as long as possible just because he constantly fucks the town up --- that said, he's kinda been scarce lately. Supposedly he's doing stuff behind the scenes. I know he's still scouting for blue info in PMs because he tried to get some from me.]. On August 08 2010 02:09 tree.hugger wrote: What a wonderfully ironic comment... But you're somewhat right, at least. Pyrr and BM are in full red scare mode, accusing anyone who disagrees with them of being mafia. That's not the way to play the game. Honestly, I don't see what either of you see in each other, you look like the usual cast of angry green players. The last couple pages are basically unreadable because of you two. Calm down and post constructively. The most pressing matter at the moment, isn't these plans, which we still have time to hash out at night, but it's our lynch today. I think love1another has 7 votes, to BM's 5, which is good, but I think there are still people left to vote, so it could swing. I don't think it should, because I think BM really doesn't have anything to recommend him as mafia here, and neither does love1another, really, but at least BM's been posting. However you view that posting, discussion is better than no discussion. I actually avoided this thread this morning, because I thought there might be SPL spoilers because of the neutral way were deciding the lynch. But apparently we're not doing that. Anyway my vote is still on Artanis[xp] who, I might add, has also been spectacularly unhelpful! Tree.Hugger notes that the vote between love1another and BM is too close for comfort, ends up changing his vote onto love1another to rectify this situation. On August 08 2010 12:39 tree.hugger wrote: You two are suddenly working together? Wait, what? And I've never been in a game where we got red with the first kill. There's a ton of factors that make it really difficult to pull off, but mainly it's just that we don't have good evidence on anyone. And that's no matter what you know, or (more likely) think you know about Foolishness or anyone else. We'll have more evidence after tonight, I guess. I don't think Foolishness is mafia, and I don't think you've proved it in any way. Tree.Hugger's posts on Bill Murray / Youngminii Day 2 + Show Spoiler + On August 09 2010 11:23 tree.hugger wrote: About the day post: This is positive. There's a missing kill there (Foolishness(?)), and a wandering townie died, which is actually somewhat fortunate. All blue roles intact, and the plan intact too. Mafia probably killed LSB because he was being really effective. Problem is, mafia suck at killing blues. If nobody screws up in pm land, (hello last game) we're set. But about this hit, I'm positive Foolishness is telling the truth. He always gets hit night one, but flamewheel probably took pity or something, and made him a vet. Or a medic saved him, but that means our plan is screwed, and we wasted a day on this. tree.hugger is the first poster to believe Foolishness's veteran claim. He says either he is vet or medic saved him (which couldn't be true since that was against the plan). NO MENTION OF THE FUCKING ULTRALISK IN THE ROOM: HE COULD BE GODFATHER. Or that mafia could stack kills. If Foolishness is innocent, and tree.hugger knows this, you'd think the mafia would want to cast some doubt, or at least not be first on the scene to try to get people to believe he's confirmed innocent. So what happens next? Nobody challenges tree.hugger on this. Not even me, though I had one post earlier mentioned the GF possibility. On August 09 2010 11:49 tree.hugger wrote: Wait. Are you an idiot? You just claimed a blue role like that? Tree.Hugger immediately jumps to the blue conclusion. A few posts later I mention that greens and ninjas can be waxed. Tree.Hugger responds to mention he didn't realize this (The framer doesn't know what the roleblocker can do? Lol. But given Pandain's fuck up, totally possible. On August 09 2010 12:28 tree.hugger wrote: ^ Accidental double quote/post. If neither of these are counter-claimed, it seems like we've got two pretty-confirmed townies? I mean, it makes no sense for the mafia to stack on either chaoser or LSB, let alone in the first night. And there can only be one roleblock, and as I've discovered, you get notified no matter what... so.... seems like we've got progress? But, as always, there'll be a counter-claim. Tree.Hugger realizes that the town is missing an important opportunity. See, the thread is clogged with people worried about how the LSB plan went last night and no one is noticing the huge opportunity town has to confirm two townies! The only thing that could possibly go wrong is that the mafia could counter claim. Which, of course, never happened. Which, of course, tree.hugger would have known would never come. [Feel free to tell me if I'm wrong on this, circle peeps.] Why the fuck would a mafia (one of the few unsuspected ones if I am at all correct) push a plan that the town is ignoring to confirm two people that the mafia knows are innocent? This is the same tree.hugger that started out being all negative on the pandain plan and was extremely leery of the LSB plan. But Foolishness and BrownBear are confirmed townies if no one counter-claims. " And there can only be one roleblock, and as I've discovered, you get notified no matter what... so.... seems like we've got progress?" Tree.Hugger would know that roleblocker can refrain from sending a roleblock. If Tree.Hugger's reason for this post was to just look more pro-town... why wouldn't he just cautiously follow Xelin? Why would he try to be the catalyst for a wholly new plan centered around confirming Foolishness and BrownBear? Why wouldn't he be helpful by pointing out the roleblocker could refrain from sending a roleblock, thereby casting a bit of doubt on town's planning? Hesmyrr did point some of these problems out at the time. Also, lol Misder: On August 09 2010 12:40 Misder wrote: I think that Foolishness is innocent. We have been sending PMs to each other, and I have been trying to help him get information about some people, which I can't say who. If Foolishness was mafia, he would be helping to kill his own mafia members. I also want to make a public apology to Foolishness for not doing what he told me on time. I have been stuck in class the entire day, and cannot post or pm during that time. I'm actually sneaking out to right this. I really have to go. Also, when I read that LSB is suspicious of me being mafia, I cannot click the link; it makes a 404 error. If anyone can point me to that post, I would be happy to answer why I posted the way I did. Gotta love newbies and their "they are innocent because they are PMing me thinking". Funny that Rastaban, who faked claimed Ninja, and lied to say that he checked Foolishness and got back veteran, and who also said he has been PMing with Foolishness, and who has voted with Foolishness each day to save Bill Murray, would immediately jump to supporting the plan of confirming Foolishness as veteran and using busses to protect him. On August 09 2010 12:57 rastaban wrote: Well it looks like we lucked out to a degree on our night kills. Also we now look at having the vigilante claim so we can bus him. If we follow this plan then we can look at having a confirmed townie and possibly roleclaiming to him. And what do you know... Rastaban is today's claimer of the role blocking. Poor roleblocker may never get to block anyone .On August 10 2010 01:20 tree.hugger wrote: Whew. That was a workout. People have a habit of reading a ton of pages and criticizing everyone below them for spam, but actually there's some interesting stuff. There's this YM, Foolishness debate going on, and meanwhile we have votes sitting on Bill Murray? A ton of people have listed Foolishness as one of their most suspicious players, so why not vote for him? That's strange. About YM. I'm convinced on Foolishness, and for the most part, I buy his argument on youngminii. He played the first day really oddly, and I can see IRL issues, but then the second day he's played it differently as well. I dunno, more angry. Remember what I told you last game? Cool your jets. Going to hold off on a vote for him at the moment, just on principle, really, but I think he's far and away our best candidate. Although we keep allowing Artanis[xp] to get away with posting nothing. Thankfully there's no suicide bomber this game, so it shouldn't hurt us too much to leave him alone... for the moment. Might be a ninja? So much for candidates at the moment. There was a thing I wanted to address... I think we're forgetting about this. Someone took a hit last night, AND someone was roleblocked. And we have no competing claims on either. Now, is it *possible* that the mafia would stack kills on chaoser or LSB to "confirm" Foolishness? I guess, but it's pretty silly, knowing that the medics were not supposed to protect any of them, and why would they protect either of those players anyway? But the mafia not roleblocking to confirm someone? The mafia not roleblocking on Day 1 with a devastating town plan in action? That seems really unlikely. I think we should try to confirm BrownBear and Foolishness tonight. If we can do that, then it doesn't matter how LSB's plan didn't work out, because we've got confirmed townies. We had this situation last game, and we didn't do anything with it. Let's not make this mistake again, yes? First post from Tree.Hugger weighing in on the lynch. Incredulous that people could possibly suspect the immaculate Bill Murray. Anything bad about him is branded as spam. Buys Foolishness line on YM and pushes to confirm BrownBear and Foolishness [I don't see how this can be done for Foolishness if GF. BrownBear has perhaps been confirmed, but I'm not in circle so whatever. Circle can correct me if anything is wrong and I'm not going to vote for someone the circle says is off limits until some good evidence comes that it's infiltrated because I'm getting increasingly more reasons to trust it.] On August 10 2010 01:47 tree.hugger wrote: The difference between your play this game, and your play last game is really really suspicious. There's a massive FoS on you, and you're acting like a child, throwing suspicion around and trying to get back at the people who accused you. Plus, I'll use the same argument I used last time, if we lynch you, it confirms a lot of people. I guess you could say the same thing about BM, but I'm pretty sure BM is [not] mafia, while you've looked nothing but suspicious from the first minute of the game. Yep, sure looks like youngminii must be mafia if tree.hugger is trying so hard to save him. On August 10 2010 02:04 tree.hugger wrote: If we waited for people to be 100% confirmed every game, we'd never get anything done. AND THAT IS EXACTLY HOW MAFIA PLAN TO GET BACK IN THIS GAME. [also makes me less suspicious of bumatlarge. I hope someone in the circle sees this and it clicks with some info they have] On August 10 2010 03:36 tree.hugger wrote: All the fun is gone because he blew it. But we have better targets to go after. Or you could just explain for him instead of being unhelpful and spamming? Basically Youngminii's posting has deviated drastically from the posting in his previous two games. He's resorted to chainsaw attacks against those who accuse him. Youngminii attacked people that attacked him. He wasn't defending anyone but himself. That's not a chainsaw defense. Tree.Hugger and Foolishness putting down players that suspect Bill Murray is a chainsaw defense. Notice they both consider me innocent because they know I am. I don't know how I have not died at night except to say that BM knows I am not in the circle and that is probably a more pressing concern. Not to mention no one believes me . But here is more eerie proof for town to ignore. It makes me feel better that one of my most hurtful critics flipped red and thought it was important to use many of his posts to try to marginalize me.How could Foolishness possibly think that someone who accuses youngminii of chainsaw defense is just passively following along to youngminii's lynch? On August 10 2010 12:58 tree.hugger wrote: This thread is like that game "Red Light/Green Light". When I'm on and following it, nothing gets posted. When I leave, it explodes. Here's the thing about youngminii and BM. They both give us a lot of information. But there's a difference between bad posting (BM) and suspicious posting (youngminii). The town always ends up lynching people who have posted dumb ideas, or clumsily explained themselves. These people are never red. The key is to find people who are posting oddly, like youngminii has been. If you look at his posts, and compare them to the games he's been playing as town, then you see an obvious difference. He's resumed his level of activity, and I grant that activity over one day never says a lot, but since he's resumed posting, he's still not really played like he has in the past. His posts have been full of the vitriol and energy as normal, but it's like he's purposely lost his confidence in picking out mafia, and is suddenly playing like a child. He's just hitting back for no reason. I fought bitterly (and wrongly, I feel obliged to add) against him last game, but even throughout, he maintained that I was a townie. But this kind of defending where he FoS's his accuser? It's much more suspicious. Meanwhile, BM has been posting mostly content-less post, including cat image macros, and bad plans early. But, knowing BM's style, this isn't particularly surprising. BM has done nothing else to look suspicious, only defended himself from Pyrr's ham-handed attacks. I see just another classic townie v. townie fight. He's not mafia. Let's not make the same mistakes again. Apparently little tree.hugger is pissed off that when he's not filling the thread with pro-BM propaganda, my truth gets through to the townspeople. More than every other post from tree.hugger is bashing on my ideas with no good reasons behind it other than "BM is always plays anti-town so we should assume he is always pro-town" the same line of crap Foolishness has been throwing all game. On August 10 2010 13:00 tree.hugger wrote: Wait he claimed MH? I just posted defending you, and then you do stupid things like roleclaiming for other people in the thread? Bro, chill out, and start being productive so I don't look like an idiot. So now it is leaked that brownbear is madhatter. Trackers can check this so I guess circle can handle it. On August 10 2010 13:26 tree.hugger wrote: Wait, actually I'm not sure. Care to explain more? I don't follow. I will admit I am more suspicious of Foolishness than BM at this point. Not sure what to make of this. Why would Tree.Hugger ask for clarification here if there wasn't at least one of them that was mafia? On August 10 2010 13:35 Hesmyrr wrote: This is all WIFOM. BrownBear and Foolishness are in contact with each other. Foolishness is also in separate contact with Bill Murray. If Foolishness is mafia, then he can kill BB with impunity, but BB might have taken insurance by telling someone about contact between them. So by telling Bill Murray, he buys an way out because he was under big pressure yesterday- and knowing his play tendency might have expected him to reveal it. The fact supporting this argument is that I see no reason for Foolishness to tell Bill Murray BB's role. Of course I think other way is more probable, that Bill Murray is scum and he is taking advantage of Foolishness's mistake by revealing the fact that he came to knew BB's identity due to Foolishness. Knowing how Foolishness defended him, it would not be very hard to push for his lynch if BM flips red. Fact supporting this is I see no reason why Bill Murray would reveal he know BB's role- I honestly do not believe Bill thought revealing someone else's role was going to save him. At least one of the two has to be mafia. Stop ignoring this, town. On August 10 2010 13:47 tree.hugger wrote: Yeah this is useless, honestly. It's a gut call whichever is more likely, and of course, they could both be town, and BM could just be reckless. Bedtime. Expecting this thread to somehow be another twenty pages when I return because Chezinu claimed Morgan Freeman or something. Please respond to my pm's. Thank you. Who has he been PMing? On August 11 2010 02:04 tree.hugger wrote: I KNEW IT! *** Just read through, and I'm waiting for youngminii's posts today, because it'll be interesting how he reacts. I don't think I've seen anything else to recommend BM as a mafia, and I really don't see why he's getting more than Pyrr's vote, as Pyrr seems kind of fixed in on BM. And please, if I pm'd you, please respond. Aside from that, I'd like to make a plea for civility in this thread. I'm sure the majority of people posting are angry townies, and try to remember, everyone's on the same side here until proven otherwise. So BB, no matter how dumb it was for BM to reveal your role, it happened, and there's no need to rage at him in the thread. BM, I know you're getting frustrated, and so am I, but if you just coolly defended yourself in the first place, you'd likely not be under suspicion to begin with. And Pyrr, it doesn't make any more sense to start revealing more roles, no matter what you think you know or not. That's not helpful either. More BM defense and marginalization of me. If I am such a loose cannon going after a boat load of innocents, why marginalize me so much? The fact is, I bet BM and Foolishness are on the same team and have been working together since Day 1. All of the fights between them are a bunch of smoke kicked up because I pegged their asses on Day 1 and they knew they had to create some sort of diversion and some sort of fake conflict between them. (And the conflict over BB's role is totally fake BS - at least Foolishness's account of it. More on that later when I share my PMs with him. Also note that the two people that have been scoping for blues through PMs are Bill Murray (he admits this) and Foolishness (see the PMs from LSB I posted after LSB died)). Also, town, if you think I'm so crazy and such a bad player... LSB suspected Foolishness just as much as me. And he's been our best player so far - just ask tree.hugger. On August 11 2010 02:04 tree.hugger wrote: I KNEW IT! *** Just read through, and I'm waiting for youngminii's posts today, because it'll be interesting how he reacts. I don't think I've seen anything else to recommend BM as a mafia, and I really don't see why he's getting more than Pyrr's vote, as Pyrr seems kind of fixed in on BM. And please, if I pm'd you, please respond. Aside from that, I'd like to make a plea for civility in this thread. I'm sure the majority of people posting are angry townies, and try to remember, everyone's on the same side here until proven otherwise. So BB, no matter how dumb it was for BM to reveal your role, it happened, and there's no need to rage at him in the thread. BM, I know you're getting frustrated, and so am I, but if you just coolly defended yourself in the first place, you'd likely not be under suspicion to begin with. And Pyrr, it doesn't make any more sense to start revealing more roles, no matter what you think you know or not. That's not helpful either. It's okay for Tree.Hugger to point out that Foolishness is confirmed blue. It's okay for Tree.Hugger to point out that Brown Bear is confirmed blue. It's okay for Bill Murray as well. And not at all bad for Foolishness to have told Bill Murray. But not for me to out a blue? I have no idea what he's talking about here, either. I thought maybe it was me mentioning Pandain's "fake" ninja claim but I think that comes later. Xelin later told town anyway so I don't think it was the wrong decision. The inconsistencies here and who they favor should be obvious, though. On August 11 2010 11:24 tree.hugger wrote: ARE YOU KIDDING ME? I get back, and some garbage wagon on Pandain is what comes up? I thought I was reading a different game. This sets a new record for shoddy town play. If Pandain were ninja, stands to reason he'd act like mafia, in spreading some deception around. But would mafia claim ninja? That's the dumbest strategy I've ever heard. Because mafia would obviously put a huge target on their backs by claiming a third party elimination role. Who's logic was that? We had a vote between two solidly opposed camps. We had ample evidence to lynch youngminii. The mafia had likely all stacked on BM, because that was the only way to save him. At any rate, we have an excellent opportunity to get a kickass role list of innocent or mafia names. INSTEAD XeliN waltzes in and provides enough "evidence" to start a third party bandwagon that provides the world's most convenient outlet for the mafia. This literally ranks as one of the worst town-plays of all time. And to answer your question in pm's, XeliN, there's no way in hell I'm telling you anything. Your town circle seems to have a hole the size of the titanic, and with the slick move you just pulled off there, I think I'd rather go along with the people I currently trust, and not add a whole host of people who can't keep their mouths shut, and who would rather help the mafia then kill them. Worst town move I think I've ever seen. Good grief. More reason I trust Xelin. Notice he wants us to think the mafia were trying to save Bill Murray even though that makes no fucking sense and it should be obvious by now that WHEN TWO DAYS IN A ROW, FOOLISHNESS, BILL MURRAY, TREE.HUGGER, AND RASTABAN all bandwagon onto someone to save Bill Murray the mafia is not gonna be all stacked on him. Notice the MAFIA who just earlier the same day was saying WE SHOULD TRUST FOOLISHNESS AND BROWN BEAR AS CONFIRMED AS LONG AS THERE IS NO MAFIA COUNTERCLAIM, and that WE SHOULDN'T WAIT FOR 100% CONFIRMATION BECAUSE WE COULD NEVER DO ANYTHING AS A TOWN OTHERWISE, is now saying FUCK XELIN HE'S SKETCH. I'll admit I doubted Xelin at this point, but I never said we should be trusting someone else 100%, and I never said we should trust easily since otherwise we'll never get anything done. And, I told Xelin I'd follow him for at least a lynch or two since the potential benefit was huge and his suspicions on Pandain matched up with things I'd heard about in PMs. Maybe tree.hugger was being truthful about the mafia not freaking out over me pressuring Bill Murray Day 1. They are freaking the fuck out now, though, I guarantee it. Really good luck on our part with Xelin, plus a good plan and outstanding leadership and initative from LSB. On August 12 2010 02:18 tree.hugger wrote: Alright look. Bum's right, I got a little annoyed. But after the OSL this morning, I'm feeling better. I had already heard several of the claims that Pandain had made. It seemed to me that a ninja and a mafia player could be expected to play similarly, because they both had something to hide. But I couldn't fathom a reason why anyone would falsely claim ninja. If a mafia member claimed ninja, they'd be taking a big risk that word of their role wouldn't leak. Maybe that role would confirm the player to the town, but with other ninja's in the game who's sole obvjective is to kill other ninjas, this would be a terrible claim to make. Why on earth would the mafia risk dying to a third party? At the same time, a blue role claiming ninja would be phenomenally dumb. Risking, your death to infiltrate a circle that you're already aligned to? Therefore, I felt strongly that Pandain must be the role he initially presented himself as, because only a ninja would actually claim ninja, and then attempt to muddy the waters with other claims. There's no benefit for a townie, and there's too much risk for the mafia. That said, no matter how much evidence we had against Pandain, then the lynch was still a bad idea, because it took a potentially touchy situation (a split vote) for the mafia, and gave the mafia a third option that would relieve them of any suspicion, and save one of their own. I'm pretty sure that youngminii is mafia, and I'd love to vote to test it out. Most people in the thread seemed convinced of either this, or BM's guilt. If we find a mafia between these two, then we've got a fantastic trove of evidence to pick from. But now, we're going to have to do it all again. And furthermore, to answer your question about whatever town circle is operating, I have people I trust for reasons that are my own. I have not had any of these people divulge anything sensitive we've discussed publicly, meanwhile, I can count several leeks in the the thread from XeliN's circle. I'm expecting tonights deaths to really really suck, because someone in your circle told someone else, and that person told someone else, and if the mafia is playing this game at all, they've probably heard everything. The anti-youngminii push is so obvious here. There's no way Tree.Hugger was expecting to die so soon and have his role revealed. I bet he spent the whole game worried hed be the only mafia left on Day 3. Hardly anyone seriously called him out until this post by OpZ, which immediately made tree.hugger change his demeanor (how did I not call him out earlier for his defenses of BM and Foolishness? If I had just called him out earlier you'd all be loving me now.) Again, this post makes me more suspicious of Foolishness than BM. Still worried about both, though. tl;dr Mr. Resetti continues tunneling, undaunted. He continues to articulate his unmasking of mafias uno y dos: Foolishness and Bill Murray He also continues to articulate his suspicion of mafia numero tres: BrownBear His list has been appended with two newcomers, who could possibly have originally been innocent but are surely now controlled for evil by Foolishness: Rastaban Misder Maybes: bumatlarge KF91 SouthRawrea Mr. Resetti has also pledged his allegiance to the exalted Xelin or Xelin. The exalted one should be able to determine whether or not the tunneler is digging toward gold or fool's gold. Bonus: Vote Analysis: Day 2 + Show Spoiler + End of Day 2: Votes for youngminii (5) Foolishness rastaban tree.hugger KF91 Bill Murray I swear to the Lord that I completed everything above this part of the post before I even checked to see this final total. Lawl. Lol on KF91, what's he done all game? Probably super inactive and didn't see the Pandain stuff. Second to last official count on Day 2: Votes for Bill Murray (10) Pyrrhuloxia Hesmyrr Roffles KF91 Artanis[Xp] larjarse zeks bumatlarge BrownBear Jayme Votes for youngminii (8) Foolishness rastaban Bill Murray Divinek Misder tree.hugger DarthThienAn ~OpZ~ Foolishness, rastaban, and Bill Murray form the start of the YM bandwagon. Tree.hugger is on it. So is Misder. Tree.hugger literally posts saying he is following a PM from some unnamed person - this is his stated reason for changing from Artanis to Youngminii. Rastaban and Misder have both openly admitted choosing their votes based on PMs from Foolishness. Roffles unvotes from BM and votes BC as a joke. It is now 9-8, with BM on the lynch. Bumatlarge switches to BM (fos here) KF91 switches to BM (potential fos) Notice BrownBear is on Bill Murray after the fake fight involving his role being revealed. Bill Murray posts in the thread saying BrownBear's vote was childish and emotional. BrownBear goes of Bill Murray and onto Zeks. Then the Xelin stuff begins. The count is 8 for BM and 5 for Youngminii when tree.hugger votes youngminii. Day 1 + Show Spoiler + OpZ and SouthRawrea vote Bill Murray. Bill Murray does his real fake joking serious vote on Divinek. He is followed by bumatlarge and rastaban. This puts Bill Murray out of lynch position. Votes for Bill Murray (4) SouthRawrea larjarse Pyrrhuloxia DarthThienAn Votes for love1another (4) rastaban chaoser KF91 Hesmyrr Rastaban moves from divinek and on my prodding goes to Bill Murray. He says he buys my arguments on Bill Murray. He quickly bails to love1another, though. love1another votes BM to save himself. South Rawrea switches to put Bill Murray out of lynch position again. Bill Murray moves to love1another and votes double lynch. From here it gets more spread out and tree.hugger ends up on Artanis. BrownBear on laaan. bumatlarge on divinek. Final count is 10-6. | ||
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Pyrrhuloxia
United States6700 Posts
On August 12 2010 10:56 Foolishness wrote: Mafia: youngminii: activity is vastly different from when he's been town aligned the past two games. Slipped up when accused. infundibulum: Passive play compared to his norm. Also seems to show up at very convenient times, and defended himself from my post even though there was no pressure on him (and thus he could've just ignored me and moved on). Wishywashy in attitude. Maybe mafia: bumatlarge: Really bad posts. Has connection to pyrry which is strange. Artanis[XP]: Typical inactive mafia. Hesmyrr: bad posts and very wishywashy. Weird impression overall. People to look out for in the future: Chezinu: I know he claimed tracker but so have 3 other players. And he fits in with youngminii. Still hard to say though. Pyrry: Nobody cold be this bad as town. Youngminii: he's less active this game. That's not a mafia tell. Other than posting less, he is as abrasive as ever. He did not "slip up when accused." It's called sarcasm. You're not Romanian. You're not SouthRawrea freaking out that I claimed Ninja Veteran Bus Driver from a Planet Near Mars. You've got no excuse for blowing this out of proportion. Bill Murray doesn't either. infundibulum: Potentially supsicious. He is usually passive when blue, but circle could confirm this. He was more active last game as town, or at least people made more jokes about his name. He is wishywashy so if Foolishness is by some miracle not red, we can look at him I guess. I went through all of his posts. He is laying low. Nothing he said struck me as red - if we've not been close to lynching anyone red, he's probably red. If he hasn't been giving inactivity excuses (lol I already don't remember even tho I read all his posts) than that's another negative since I think he was more active last game. bumatlarge: Potentially suspicious. Looks like bussing to me because Foolishness is trying to link him to me and has him in the first spot off of his red ink list. Consistently votes around with BM. He did post to say there was some good sense in my posts about BM and foolishness but did not have the sense to avoid using his vote to save BM. Artanis: Tree.Hugger voted for him. I don't think this was bussing. I think he's alright. If he was a typical inactive mafia, he wouldn't be the one player out of the many silent ones that tree.hugger would call out for inactivty numerous times. I have heard he was checked out. It adds up to me that he is innocent. Hesmyrr: I fos'd him earlier, but it seems he called BS on tree.huggers attempts to establish Foolishness and BrownBear as confirmed townies. He is wishy washy. Chezinu: circle can deal with him. Pyrrhuloxia: Not sure how Foolishness can say I am so bad as town when no one on my big list of four has flipped and we overlap on Hesmyrr (I'm not big on Hesmyrr anymore though lol). Especially when Foolishness's defense of BM amounts to "he's not suspicious he's just crazy." All the best posts defending Bill Murray were posts by Tree.Hugger - everyone else just posted some variation of "Bill Murray always plays anti-town; ignore him." | ||
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Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
Voting analysis: On August 12 2010 11:15 Foolishness wrote: ## Vote youngminii ##Vote double lynch On August 12 2010 12:11 bumatlarge wrote: ##vote: youngminii ##vote: double lynch On August 12 2010 12:12 VayeshMoru wrote: ##vote: Bumatlarge ##vote: double lynch On August 12 2010 14:20 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: ##vote: Bumatlarge ##vote: double lynch this puts foolishness and bumatlarge under suspicion from me. tree.hugger wouldn't have been pushing youngminii if youngminii was red. that's not tree.hugger's style as mafia. he's more of a loyal follower than someone to bus teammates. foolishness has been playing the way that he plays as godfather, imo. he messaged me really early on, just like he did the game that he and xelin were both red, where he lost as godfather. the difference is he was a lot more active on day 1 than he was in the other game, where he chose to wait until day 2 to start posting more actively in the other game. I'll have to go find what game I'm referring to... TL MAFIA XX I believe. That's what his play is reminding me of. Another game he was Godfather would be the game with the 2 factions, where there were Sumiyoshis and Gambinos. If someone has time, they could look up those games. He might be a veteran, but it could have been a ploy to "confirm" the Godfather's role by skipping sending in one of their three kills. | ||
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Pyrrhuloxia
United States6700 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + im asking if you know any persons roles im not asking you to tell me anything do you know anyones role? ----------------------------------------- Original Message: if xelin knows you are confirmed innocent and won't tell you roles... you probably shouldn't hear them from me. ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU'VE BLURTED A BLUE IN THE THREAD. ----------------------------------------- Original Message: do you know anyone's roles besides your own? i'm not asking you to tell me the role, but if you know of one, tell me who ----------------------------------------- Original Message: I dunno man, maybe because the one confirmed mafia spent most of his posts defending you? I am more convinced on Foolishness now than you, so you can rejoice in that. ----------------------------------------- Original Message: why would you keep tunneling on me? im not mafia | ||
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Chezinu
United States7430 Posts
On August 12 2010 17:42 Bill Murray wrote: who did you track last night chezinu? That is confidential for the time being. | ||
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Pyrrhuloxia
United States6700 Posts
On August 12 2010 11:21 Foolishness wrote: I'd like to mention in PM convo I had with tree hugger he was very willing to lynch youngminii. Which is saying something since hardly anyone believes me so far. Please, all townies scroll back to the post I made with two spoilers worth of evidence going over Tree.Hugger's posts. If you do, it will become clear that Foolishness's post here is an outright lie and that Tree.Hugger pushed hard to not only lynch Youngminii, but also to get his Godfather, Foolishness, confirmed as a veteran. | ||
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Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
"I think it would be a good strategy as mafia to keep an innocent BM alive as long as possible just because he constantly fucks the town up." this. | ||
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Pyrrhuloxia
United States6700 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + 1) I had to gain his support. He wanted information and I had to give him something since he thought I was suspicious. Yeah I realize that didn't work out great since he still wants to kill me. But I had to try, because I figured if I could get a few more people on my side I might have a chance to win this game for the town. 2) I think BM is blue. He's mentioned needing to claim, I don't think he's lying about that. I told him that if he's blue he needs to claim soon. Doesn't seem like he will though. 3) The blue roles are getting passed around faster than a village bicycle. The circles have been slowly leaking upon each other. Outside of me and BM, I can name 5 people that knew BrownBear was a hatter. There's probably more since I don't know the exact sizes of the other circles. 4) I never thought BM would do something stupid like post it in the thread. Yeah that's my bad there. He did it though because he's pissed off I bet. ----------------------------------------- Original Message: What did you have to gain from giving this to Bill Murray, though? Weren't you worried he might make things worse for town with blue info? ----------------------------------------- Original Message: What did I have to lose? I'm trying to get as many people as I can to believe me. I'm a bit desperate given everybody believes you minus 4 or 5 people. Why would he post it in the thread if we were on the same team? ----------------------------------------- Original Message: So, let's say, hypothetically, you aren't on his scum team. Why'd you give him BrownBear's role? Foolishness: "I'm a bit desperate given everybody believes you minus 4 or 5 people." Rational Thought: Only 11/28 people are voting for Bill Murray or Foolishness right now. You claim to not be on a team with Bill Murray, so you only really have to worry about the two people voting on you. And you are already desperate enough to start tossing blue roles around? And since when is this a good idea when desperate. If you are a pro-town role, why would you spread blues around rather than keep them secret? Especially when you worry later in our conversation about town circles spreading blues around. Foolishness: "What did I have to lose?" Rational Thought: what did you have to gain by handing over a blue to Bill Murray? You previously called this ridiculous, because you know it is. Out of all the people suspicious of you, you choose to hand over a blue to someone you've (falsely, I'd say) FoS'd in the thread. Foolishness: "Yeah I realize that didn't work out great since he still wants to kill me." Rational Thought: He's never voted for you. He's barely suspicious of you. If you thought you could trade a blue for innocence (which is a scummy move) to appear less scummy, why would you trade it to someone who's not even voting for you. Shouldn't you be more worried about "what if he's flips red and I'm not red... how will I convince everyone not to follow Pyrr in lynching me next?!". That would make sense. But trying to get Bill Murray's support when he has the most votes and will surely die before he can help you makes no sense. Foolishness: "The blue roles are getting passed around faster than a village bicycle." Rational Thought: Undoubtedly, because the mafia smartly killed LSB so people could immediately ignore the plan. I dunno what Xelin did to the plan but this isn't it. But you contributed to this - you gave the role to Bill Murray because... that would help stop this worrisome spreading of roles? UPDATE: I wrote this last night. Looking over it again, I notice that Foolishness says he thinks BM is blue. BM claims to be confirmed by the circle. I don't know if this is true. BM claimed green to me. I don't know how BM could be confirmed if green. BM might be lying about that. Also looks like Foolishness has been trying to manipulate noobs and create a circle based on the claims by Tree.Hugger that he could be trusted. He's also trying to undermine Xelin's circle, here. In my thoughts last night I did not trust Xelin but I am feeling much better about it now. | ||
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Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
im changing my vote to him. LAL. | ||
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Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
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