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Um oh shit I put my post in the voting thread.
On August 13 2010 02:11 SouthRawrea wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2010 13:50 Misder wrote:
##Vote Roffles
Sorry, I forgot to vote after I said that I was going to vote for him... So far these two votes were nothing but bandwagons. Show nested quote +On August 07 2010 12:22 Misder wrote:On August 07 2010 11:44 Roffles wrote:
Honestly, I don't give a fuck what goes on Day 1. Just a bunch of nonsense garbage spewed out by everyone who's got no clue what anyone is.
That being said, I don't see why BM doesn't understand why his plan won't work. In all of the confusion of the plan (that might just be me though...), we shouldn't miss these posts. Roffles just stated that the plan that is very probable of getting a mafia name is not important. This may mean that Roffles is trying to frame this plan as "nonsense garbage", meaning we shouldn't continue with the plan. More scummy than town. And this post is one of two posts he posted. Granted, he did state that he doesn't want to post too much, but still... I'm going to vote roffles. He doesn't even seem like to he's reading the thread. Either he is townie and just doesn't post (which is unlikely as he is more of a veteran mafia player), a blue (also unlikely because he would actually pay attention to the plan), a ninja (likely, cause he has no point in helping), or mafia (which may be likely because he doesn't want to post). Town makes a good lynch if he is ninja, or if he is mafia. The reason he gave for voting Roffles was a few pages after Divinek called 7 people out for being inactive. Both Roffles and Misder were on that list. Basically this post is formulated of hypocrisy. Clearly his intent was to shift ANY sort of pressure off onto someone else. Show nested quote +On August 09 2010 12:40 Misder wrote:
I think that Foolishness is innocent. We have been sending PMs to each other, and I have been trying to help him get information about some people, which I can't say who. If Foolishness was mafia, he would be helping to kill his own mafia members. I also want to make a public apology to Foolishness for not doing what he told me on time. I have been stuck in class the entire day, and cannot post or pm during that time. I'm actually sneaking out to right this. I really have to go.
Also, when I read that LSB is suspicious of me being mafia, I cannot click the link; it makes a 404 error. If anyone can point me to that post, I would be happy to answer why I posted the way I did. This next post is nonsense. He's been trying to help get him information? What? Unless you had confirmed each others' roles why on earth would you do this. Just going to ignore the part I bolded. What I would like to call to attention is what exactly did Foolishness ask him to do? This is extremely strange behaviour. Even as a new player, why would you want someone controlling your gameplay? Should you not come into this game prepared to avoid manipulation? Surely something is going on behind the scenes in PM land here. I'm not asking for you to bring out the particularily risky parts about peoples' roles but please enlighten me as to what is going on within your PMs that regards looking into peoples' roles (as opposed to just peoples' roles) and the connection you two had SO early in the game. Show nested quote +On August 10 2010 08:18 Misder wrote:
After doing analysis and looking at previous games in which he was in, I am going to vote for youngminii here. He claims that he doesn't want to spam, it seems very very out of his style. If he was trying to improve, I still think that he would write good posts like he did in his first game in Godfather Mafia, but right now, he isn't doing that. It seems like he is posting less, but its like all spam and defending himself. I will vote for him until he gives a legitimate reason.
About that link where Divinek said that he was going to vote for me, but forgot and voted for Pandain instead, this does not legitamize anything. Divinek just forgot that I was in the game, and he has a grudge on me from the last game. Here he regurgitates reasons for voting Youngminii that were previously given which is what makes his vote a bandwagon vote/sheeping as well. Show nested quote +On August 10 2010 12:41 bumatlarge wrote:
Hey uh, misder and tree hugger, why dont you come and say that stuff in PM land in here? What you could call the nail in the coffin (lol HDStarcraft). Both Misder and Tree.hugger the revealed mafia were engaging in a PM conversation with bumatlarge? I would like to ask bumatlarge to reveal these PMs because they haven't met his request at this point in time. This is especially suspicious because as Misder previously revealed he was trying to find peoples' roles. He also has less than 10 posts. I would like to call the town to vote Misder because frankly, this is the scummiest gameplay I've ever seen.
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On August 13 2010 02:07 BrownBear wrote:
I have reason to believe rastaban is lying about getting roleblocked. I am voting for him until he 'splains himself.
very interesting, seeing as the only way to doubt my claim is to either know the mafia pulled there roleblock (assuming they can/would) which only mafia would know. OR to know someone else who was roleblocked. As anyone can be RBed claiming it doesn't reveal anything about you. As such there is 0 reason for someone to hold back on this claim.
As such I have no 'splaining I can do since all I am doing is relaying the PM I received.
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Sup with all these deleted posts from BloodyC0bbler?
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He's Vaysheumaru so he's trying to stay in character. I assume it was authorized by Flamewheel.
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On August 13 2010 02:13 rastaban wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2010 02:07 BrownBear wrote:
I have reason to believe rastaban is lying about getting roleblocked. I am voting for him until he 'splains himself. very interesting, seeing as the only way to doubt my claim is to either know the mafia pulled there roleblock (assuming they can/would) which only mafia would know. OR to know someone else who was roleblocked. As anyone can be RBed claiming it doesn't reveal anything about you. As such there is 0 reason for someone to hold back on this claim. As such I have no 'splaining I can do since all I am doing is relaying the PM I received.
I'm not sayin' anything until my contacts give me the okay, but I'm just noticing how your roleblock was veeeery convenient for you...
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Yo PM circles, up? I'm not apart of any. I'm sorry for not staying on TL and bickering and quoting for 3/4 hours a day, but that just kinda isnt my thing. I've been reading the posts, but it doesn't matter because all of a sudden everyone decides to lynch a townie at the last second. I don't know anyone's roles, but this is mine. But if I don't agree with you lame bandwagon voting, I'm gonna stick with my instincts and vote for BM till he's gone. IMO mafioso BM + BB. ya know.. They both begin with B.
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I'm voting for larjarse. I've already made an analysis on his posting habits, and how everything is mafia like.
I still believe that Foolishness is not mafia. We had talked in the PMs. I don't have clear cut evidence that he is part of the town, but as I stated before, why would he help lynch his mafia members? Unless hes just trying to distract me...
On August 12 2010 18:54 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
Also, Misder and Tree.Hugger put their votes onto Youngminii at the same time Day 2.
Misder and Foolishness put their votes onto Youngminii at the same time Day 3.
Hmm. Coincidence? Ya, maybe.
Coincidence that Foolishness read all of Tree.Hugger's posts and didn't see that he was defending Bill Murray and pushing very hard for Youngminii's death? No way in hell.
tl;dr
Misder
Is this the only reason that I would be mafia? Thats not a lot to call me mafia...
This is a PM from Foolishness:
"If you haven't done so, please vote for youngminii, we need to keep the pressure up to find out for sure what alignment he is. The earlier we do it the better, since if he defends himself well (which he hasn't so far) we'll have enough time to switch to somebody else."
When I read this message, I immediately voted for youngminii. Before I had already said I was going to vote for him, but I forgot to vote in the voting thread.
Besides the fact that I already wrote analysis on youngminii on how he is mafia because of his behavior. I sent Foolishness my analysis on youngminii based on his previous games after he told me to.
I still think that youngminii is mafia, but I think that larjarse is a better lynch target because his entire posting is very mafia like and spam.
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On August 13 2010 02:22 larjarse wrote:
Yo PM circles, up? I'm not apart of any. I'm sorry for not staying on TL and bickering and quoting for 3/4 hours a day, but that just kinda isnt my thing. I've been reading the posts, but it doesn't matter because all of a sudden everyone decides to lynch a townie at the last second. I don't know anyone's roles, but this is mine. But if I don't agree with you lame bandwagon voting, I'm gonna stick with my instincts and vote for BM till he's gone. IMO mafioso BM + BB. ya know.. They both begin with B.
You are aware that we lynched a ninja yesterday, not a townie, right?
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Oh, and Day 3 hasn't happened yet, so I'm not sure what you meant by me and Foolishness putting votes on youngminii and thet same time Day 3.
And on Day 2, I did not vote youngminii the same time with tree.hugger. They were 7 mins apart. Thats a long time for there to be any correlation. If we were talking, it would have been almost instant.
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On August 12 2010 21:01 Bill Murray wrote:
". If Foolishness was mafia, he would be helping to kill his own mafia members."
At least thats how he explained it to me on the reason I should trust him.
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I did not say you did. I linked you with Foolishness and was asking about the PMs you guys had. For tree.hugger I was asking about the PMs you two were sending Bumatlarge.
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Sorry South, I wasn't answering your post yet; that was Pyrr's post. I'll answer your post that you put on the voting thread.
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It's in this thread too. I quoted it. I also asked for permission from Flamewheel to remove it.
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On August 13 2010 02:15 BrownBear wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2010 02:13 rastaban wrote:On August 13 2010 02:07 BrownBear wrote:
I have reason to believe rastaban is lying about getting roleblocked. I am voting for him until he 'splains himself. very interesting, seeing as the only way to doubt my claim is to either know the mafia pulled there roleblock (assuming they can/would) which only mafia would know. OR to know someone else who was roleblocked. As anyone can be RBed claiming it doesn't reveal anything about you. As such there is 0 reason for someone to hold back on this claim. As such I have no 'splaining I can do since all I am doing is relaying the PM I received. I'm not sayin' anything until my contacts give me the okay, but I'm just noticing how your roleblock was veeeery convenient for you...
I also noticed how your circle blues didn't get hit, being as I know the roles of most of the people in it I don't think it would have fared so well if I was passing the information off to the mafia.
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Okay nvm Flamewheel wants me to leave it.
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+ Show Spoiler +On August 13 2010 02:11 SouthRawrea wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2010 13:50 Misder wrote:
##Vote Roffles
Sorry, I forgot to vote after I said that I was going to vote for him... So far these two votes were nothing but bandwagons. Show nested quote +On August 07 2010 12:22 Misder wrote:On August 07 2010 11:44 Roffles wrote:
Honestly, I don't give a fuck what goes on Day 1. Just a bunch of nonsense garbage spewed out by everyone who's got no clue what anyone is.
That being said, I don't see why BM doesn't understand why his plan won't work. In all of the confusion of the plan (that might just be me though...), we shouldn't miss these posts. Roffles just stated that the plan that is very probable of getting a mafia name is not important. This may mean that Roffles is trying to frame this plan as "nonsense garbage", meaning we shouldn't continue with the plan. More scummy than town. And this post is one of two posts he posted. Granted, he did state that he doesn't want to post too much, but still... I'm going to vote roffles. He doesn't even seem like to he's reading the thread. Either he is townie and just doesn't post (which is unlikely as he is more of a veteran mafia player), a blue (also unlikely because he would actually pay attention to the plan), a ninja (likely, cause he has no point in helping), or mafia (which may be likely because he doesn't want to post). Town makes a good lynch if he is ninja, or if he is mafia. The reason he gave for voting Roffles was a few pages after Divinek called 7 people out for being inactive. Both Roffles and Misder were on that list. Basically this post is formulated of hypocrisy. Clearly his intent was to shift ANY sort of pressure off onto someone else. Show nested quote +On August 09 2010 12:40 Misder wrote:
I think that Foolishness is innocent. We have been sending PMs to each other, and I have been trying to help him get information about some people, which I can't say who. If Foolishness was mafia, he would be helping to kill his own mafia members. I also want to make a public apology to Foolishness for not doing what he told me on time. I have been stuck in class the entire day, and cannot post or pm during that time. I'm actually sneaking out to right this. I really have to go.
Also, when I read that LSB is suspicious of me being mafia, I cannot click the link; it makes a 404 error. If anyone can point me to that post, I would be happy to answer why I posted the way I did. This next post is nonsense. He's been trying to help get him information? What? Unless you had confirmed each others' roles why on earth would you do this. Just going to ignore the part I bolded. What I would like to call to attention is what exactly did Foolishness ask him to do? This is extremely strange behaviour. Even as a new player, why would you want someone controlling your gameplay? Should you not come into this game prepared to avoid manipulation? Surely something is going on behind the scenes in PM land here. I'm not asking for you to bring out the particularily risky parts about peoples' roles but please enlighten me as to what is going on within your PMs that regards looking into peoples' roles (as opposed to just peoples' roles) and the connection you two had SO early in the game. Show nested quote +On August 10 2010 08:18 Misder wrote:
After doing analysis and looking at previous games in which he was in, I am going to vote for youngminii here. He claims that he doesn't want to spam, it seems very very out of his style. If he was trying to improve, I still think that he would write good posts like he did in his first game in Godfather Mafia, but right now, he isn't doing that. It seems like he is posting less, but its like all spam and defending himself. I will vote for him until he gives a legitimate reason.
About that link where Divinek said that he was going to vote for me, but forgot and voted for Pandain instead, this does not legitamize anything. Divinek just forgot that I was in the game, and he has a grudge on me from the last game. Here he regurgitates reasons for voting Youngminii that were previously given which is what makes his vote a bandwagon vote/sheeping as well. Show nested quote +On August 10 2010 12:41 bumatlarge wrote:
Hey uh, misder and tree hugger, why dont you come and say that stuff in PM land in here? What you could call the nail in the coffin (lol HDStarcraft). Both Misder and Tree.hugger the revealed mafia were engaging in a PM conversation with bumatlarge? I would like to ask bumatlarge to reveal these PMs because they haven't met his request at this point in time. This is especially suspicious because as Misder previously revealed he was trying to find peoples' roles. He also has less than 10 posts. I would like to call the town to vote Misder because frankly, this is the scummiest gameplay I've ever seen.
I like to state the reason why I vote for people before I actually vote, so that people won't come to me and say, why did you vote for this person. I do this every mafia game; sorry for restating what other people are, but at least I show that I read the thread and I state that I know the reason why there is a bandwagon, instead of some people who just jump in without knowing anything. If you want me to stop posting reasons why I vote, then, fine.
I was also the first one to vote for roffles. There was no bandwagon. Pandain was because I trusted Xelin. And that Pandain was lying. Did you read my post on how lying killed the town last game?
Divinek did call me out on being inactive. I tried to be active. Now you are saying that I can't show that roffles hasn't been helping the town at all, without being scummy... Then, what should I do instead, spam?
I trust Foolishness. BTW, I'm not trying to find specific roles, just behavior changes that Foolishness tells me to do. He told me to do analysis on youngminii based on his previous games.
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Ok, the other game that youngminii was in was the Godfather Mafia. I don't actually know how this system goes, but I can still do analysis on this. This was the mafia game that got youngminii a reputation of doing really well. He was townie this game the entire time. In that game, he posted about ~10% of the posts in that thread. This was a 20 person game, so on average, one should post ~5%. Granted, he was one of the last people alive in that game, but I will still say that he still 'spammed'. Actually, while I was reading his posts, it actually seemed like he mostly posted good plans/analysis instead of actual spam, or at least he 's balancing it out. He goes through plans, and figure out holes in them so that the town can make a better one. A lot of his posts are three sentences or lower, but most of these posts aren't really spam. His longer posts are always really good, either a plan or analysis. When he talks to others, he is mostly like, "but you're wrong". Its not really angry, more like, you're stupid. He's very proactive in this game, like a town leader. Even though it was his first game, he is talking to everyone, and if I didn' know better, I would think that he was a veteran at the game.
The game that you and I were in the same game as him, it seemed much more spam, but there were still some good posts in there. He did cause a lot of problems in PM land, and he could have done much better. When he was under attack, he was angrier. I'm not sure if you read the thread after you died or not.
As for actual improvement, he claims that he is trying to spam less. However, it seems very very out of his style. idk. If he wasw trying to improve, I still think that he would write good posts like he did in his first game, but right now, he isn't doing that. It seems like he is posting less, but its like all spam and defending himself. He is also getting angry.
I already stated why I trust Foolishness. I guess I was also biased by the fact that he was a veteran at the game. Also, I believe that he took a hit from the mafia. The only way that he could have been lying was if he was godfather. Then, he was tricked me... but I will stick to my advocacy. If I'm wrong... well, I'm screwed.
I already addressed me "bandwagoning" on youngminii. I always state why I vote. I also voted because Foolishness told me too. I also voted because I did my own analysis already and it wasn't based on what others said. I also did my analysis on youngminii before Foolishness did analysis on the thread.
I never engaged in any PMs in bumalarge. Actually, the only people I PMed were Foolishness and Xelin (which was because he wanted me to tell him my role)
Personally, I think I stepped up my game. I mean, even with 10 posts, at least I don't spam, at least my posts have some substance, at least I don't lie.
If you still think that I'm part of the mafia, or I missed a point, tell me. I will reiterate again why I am townie.
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On August 13 2010 03:16 Misder wrote:
Divinek did call me out on being inactive. I tried to be active. Now you are saying that I can't show that roffles hasn't been helping the town at all, without being scummy... Then, what should I do instead, spam?
I've said that you STILL haven't been active and are in no place to call someone else on being inactive. Also, substance? PLEASE.
Post 1 Pg14 after /in : Blah blah I'll be active, don't lynch inactives.
Post 2 Pg15: Very early vote count. Pointless. Counting 7/30 people.
Post 3 Pg19: Good question but the plan wasn't an entirely good one anyways nor could it happen on N1.
Post 4 Pg30: Attacking Roffles for having 1 less post than he did. Honestly, "framing" a plan as "nonsense garbage" wouldn't really sway the town in any way.
Post 5 Pg48: Revealing his link with Foolishness and telling us his reason for inactiveness for just that particular day. Also as Divinek said: "real solid evidence there!"
Post 6 Pg60: Having some fabled analysis that he hasn't shown us and claiming that he knows things about Youngminii's style after having played only 2 games. Seems like he's regurgitating other arguments and perhaps something Foolishness had PMed him.
Post 7 Pg72: Asking about Bumatlarge's list and his lack of proof, an promise about an analysis on larjarse and him being "very scummy" as well as a generic "lynch all liars" reason for lynch Pandain. Also that was not the reason why the town lost last game entirely. Blue snipes were a huge portion of the reason why the town lost.
Post 8 Pg77: His "analysis".
On August 12 2010 03:45 Misder wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2010 14:44 larjarse wrote:
BTW this leaves BillMurray and divinek tied at 3 votes each. Stating the two choices that we could have seen by looking at the voting thread.
Pointing out a fault that is common in both his posts and larjarses. (See Post 2)
Okay some of your points are valid there but this is his first game as well. I'm not saying he isn't mafia, he very well could be. You're now involved in 1 finished game and 2 other ongoing games. Going through an entire thread game brings alot of experience I'd say. I've definitely seen more action last game than any short real-time game.
Post 9 Pg77: Maybe Roffles= ninja?
Post 10 Pg84: Bringing attention back to your analysis of a noob and showing us the PM from Foolishness. Also defense.
So basically only one vote with good content and it's attacking a noob so its validity is questionable at best. Btw not counting the most recent 2 addressed towards me. So go ahead show me this substance you speak of. Show it to me.
Also Bumatlarge explain the situation about the PMs please.
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Post 6 Pg60: Having some fabled analysis that he hasn't shown us and claiming that he knows things about Youngminii's style after having played only 1 game WITH HIM. Seems like he's regurgitating other arguments and perhaps something Foolishness had PMed him.
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Tree.hugger and misder both made votes, tree said "as promised in PM's" I asked him to post why in th threads.
I just coupled misder along with him becase he hadnt posted anything. I havent PM'd misder once this game.
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FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
Please cut down on posting extraneous things and things that do not apply to the game. Furthermore, even with stuff that does pertain to Mafia, make a conglomerate out of your posts. One 1000 word post is better than fifty 20-word one-liners. Spam makes the game difficult to read for all, and if you are somebody who is posting excessively, kindly do us all a favor and consolidate.
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