EPTWhat if BM doesn't get lynched (for whatever reason)?
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
What if BM doesn't get lynched (for whatever reason)? | ||
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BrownBear
United States6894 Posts
Are we really lynching BM day 1? | ||
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Pyrrhuloxia
United States6700 Posts
On August 07 2010 09:22 Foolishness wrote: What if BM doesn't get lynched (for whatever reason)? Well you will probably kill me tonight, so I will post all my info anyway, mafia number 2. You are my favorite player in all of TL Mafia, at least when you are town-aligned, so I am disappointed to see your red play be so obvious. You've now chainsaw defended Bill Murray against both Divinek and myself. Now, if Bill Murray flips blue, I will certainly not run roughshod after you and the rest of his sketchy defenders and defendees. But if he flips red, which seems EXTREMELY likely to me at this point, your ass is grass and killing me won't save you. | ||
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
On August 07 2010 09:28 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: Well you will probably kill me tonight, so I will post all my info anyway, mafia number 2. You are my favorite player in all of TL Mafia, at least when you are town-aligned, so I am disappointed to see your red play be so obvious. You've now chainsaw defended Bill Murray against both Divinek and myself. Now, if Bill Murray flips blue, I will certainly not run roughshod after you and the rest of his sketchy defenders and defendees. But if he flips red, which seems EXTREMELY likely to me at this point, your ass is grass and killing me won't save you. Awww I'm touched <3 I would think it's obvious to any town player that lynching a player who's actively participating and defending against arguments is foolish. How many times have you seen a mafia player that isn't Ace/L actively tell people they are wrong/stupid and defend their beliefs to the last moment they die? Hardly ever. Imma wait at least another 2 days before ever considering voting for any of you. Truth is, I barely give a care as to whether BM or you or DTA or divinek is mafia. Cause all you active people do is blame each other and find reasons why the other is mafia. If one of you is actually mafia, I'm sure one of the others will figure it out sooner or later. I got bigger fish to fry in figuring out who's mafia among the other 50% of the players who half lurk. Now wait a minute...you're supposedly a ninja and getting killed by other ninja's tonight. If I was mafia why would I bother hitting you? Haha, I actually kinda lol'd when I read your post, because it's insanely obvious you improvised the entire thing. I've seen better reasoning for suspicions out of totally new players. Have you even read my posts to consider if I'm actually mafia? I'm pretty sure you're too concerned with BM right now to even care who else is mafia. Which is fine by me, you do what you got to do and I'll do what I got to do. One person is not a list. You got any others you want to throw out there? | ||
tree.hugger
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
On August 07 2010 09:16 Foolishness wrote: I for god hope Pyrry is going to post his "list" of the 6 mafia (or 4 or 5 or whatever number you're sure on). And to let you know I have a bunch of posts from mafia of previous games (not necessarily you) who all say something like "I got this mafia list figured out" or "I think I know who's mafia but I'm not going to say unless I really have to". It's pretty common to see mafia members do this. I look really forward to hearing your response when I post good information about how you're mafia. I also look forward to you getting people to spam away my good post when I do post it (assuming you don't post your list, which, let's face it, you know you won't). If you're pro-town, you'll post your list and give your reasons. There's no reason to wait. The more information in the open the better we are. Maybe he's waiting for more people to post, or for the day lynch so he doesn't look like an idiot in accusing someone who flips green? Either way, anyone who says they've figured out who the mafia is on Day 1 is wrong. It obviously doesn't work that way, or else we wouldn't play the game. Calling mafia on the first day is just a silly bluff that really doesn't help anyone, but does get people posting and information out in the thread, which is always good. Also, I like the idea of picking an inactive to lynch off of the SPL results. It's a good way to put pressure on any mafia inactives who wouldn't want to leave their survival up to chance. laaan and love1another haven't done anything really, we've can't let them off the hook on a 4-0! We all know it's going 7 and ending in a sick fantasy-flash ace match. | ||
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tree.hugger
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
On August 07 2010 09:40 Foolishness wrote: Awww I'm touched <3 I would think it's obvious to any town player that lynching a player who's actively participating and defending against arguments is foolish. How many times have you seen a mafia player that isn't Ace/L actively tell people they are wrong/stupid and defend their beliefs to the last moment they die? Hardly ever. Imma wait at least another 2 days before ever considering voting for any of you. Truth is, I barely give a care as to whether BM or you or DTA or divinek is mafia. Cause all you active people do is blame each other and find reasons why the other is mafia. If one of you is actually mafia, I'm sure one of the others will figure it out sooner or later. I got bigger fish to fry in figuring out who's mafia among the other 50% of the players who half lurk. Now wait a minute...you're supposedly a ninja and getting killed by other ninja's tonight. If I was mafia why would I bother hitting you? Haha, I actually kinda lol'd when I read your post, because it's insanely obvious you improvised the entire thing. I've seen better reasoning for suspicions out of totally new players. Have you even read my posts to consider if I'm actually mafia? I'm pretty sure you're too concerned with BM right now to even care who else is mafia. Which is fine by me, you do what you got to do and I'll do what I got to do. One person is not a list. You got any others you want to throw out there? Woah woah woah, Pyrr, I know you were screwing people over last game because you were mafia, but if you start doing this again, you'll end up on the suspect list again. You've seriously figured out two mafia based on a handful of posts on Day 1? Bogus. We have no call for lynching BM with little more than your word today, even as bad as he might play. We have nothing on him. And now you're going after Foolishness because he called you out on your list? Not everyone who criticizes you is automatically mafia. | ||
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Pyrrhuloxia
United States6700 Posts
On August 07 2010 09:40 Foolishness wrote: Awww I'm touched <3 I would think it's obvious to any town player that lynching a player who's actively participating and defending against arguments is foolish. How many times have you seen a mafia player that isn't Ace/L actively tell people they are wrong/stupid and defend their beliefs to the last moment they die? Hardly ever. Imma wait at least another 2 days before ever considering voting for any of you. Truth is, I barely give a care as to whether BM or you or DTA or divinek is mafia. Cause all you active people do is blame each other and find reasons why the other is mafia. If one of you is actually mafia, I'm sure one of the others will figure it out sooner or later. I got bigger fish to fry in figuring out who's mafia among the other 50% of the players who half lurk. Now wait a minute...you're supposedly a ninja and getting killed by other ninja's tonight. If I was mafia why would I bother hitting you? Haha, I actually kinda lol'd when I read your post, because it's insanely obvious you improvised the entire thing. I've seen better reasoning for suspicions out of totally new players. Have you even read my posts to consider if I'm actually mafia? I'm pretty sure you're too concerned with BM right now to even care who else is mafia. Which is fine by me, you do what you got to do and I'll do what I got to do. One person is not a list. You got any others you want to throw out there? Executive Summary: Guy who caught and voted for BC on Day 1 last game tells me no one should vote for big names early or should vote on suspicion early or think it is possible to catch reds this early. My Response: I'm not a ninja. I can't say for sure what mafia will do with me. I already gave you two people on the list. | ||
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
On August 07 2010 01:08 rastaban wrote: Show nested quote + Well he can't hit tonight so we don't have to worry about it for now. I would prefer they claim while they have their shot, and then we use it to verify them if their are counter claims. If we wait until after they shoot then we can use this plan until day/night 3 If we just have them claim tomorrow then they can shoot the other claimant that night or if it isn't counter claimed we enact the plan. we cannot do this before they shoot because then they WILL be roleblocked, because it could save a mafia and it makes the vig unable to confirm himself LOL, plan screwed ^---From Divinek If bus driver drives the vigi then he can't be roleblocked, the person on the other end would be roleblocked, problem semi solved? | ||
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Pyrrhuloxia
United States6700 Posts
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12968 Posts
Also, it'd be nice if people wouldn't throw about insults as much. We're playing a friendly game of mafia, guys. Nothing personal, just business. | ||
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Pyrrhuloxia
United States6700 Posts
Bill Murray wrote: in all likelihood the scummy players haven't posted yet unless it's someone like brownbear who knows it's ok to. noob scum will be like "what should i say?" as opposed to just playing. This is a very weird first post. His first post is used to defend everyone that has previously posted. As someone who is experienced, I'd think he knows that determining mafia by post time really isn't helpful. I think we should be suspicious of people who defend others so early, because mafia have the best reasons to do so. On August 06 2010 12:03 Bill Murray wrote: I proclaim the Random Voting Stage hereby dead. I am voting not for randomness, but because I actually believe Divinek is Mafia. He's already claimed this to be a lie, because he went on to say that Divinek was part of the RVS. He started a bandwagon on Divinek to save himself (BM is at 3 (i think) votes at the start of this and Divinek ends up temporarily at 3 due to rastaban). In previous games, even as green, he has done similar random vote plans but he was up front about it being RVS before. He didn't claim RVS time was OVER and then vote for someone for really being red and then turn around and say ~"oh I was lying, actually I was fucking around like usual”. This random vote thing is stupid at best, since he telegraphed his reasoning, but it is scummy at most likely. I know Mr. Baby Hands did similar things but he didn't do it this clumsily. My response to BM's soft blue claim: If red, he would be desperate at that point and so it's sort of a no brainer to claim blue and plant doubt. He has gone on the record asking for blues to claim to him even though he is not at all confirmed. He has also suggested that blues claim in the thread as their specific roles. He said veterans could lie and say they are more hit-juicy roles. Yet he himself only soft-claims? I find this to disprove his stated motives. If he believed in his plan he could get the ball rolling by following it. Bill Murray starts his voting with “now the game gets serious” and now tries to play it off as shits and giggles. He's clearly trying to create chaos to save himself – the question is whether he is worth saving. Seems to me there are more pro-town ways to defend one's self than to do random attacks to find one that sticks. If he was blue, he could be more low profile although low profile is not really his style. As blue, he could still try pointing out why suspicions about him are not founded, rather than creating more and more suspicions. | ||
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Divinek
Canada4045 Posts
On August 07 2010 09:56 chaoser wrote: ^---From Divinek If bus driver drives the vigi then he can't be roleblocked, the person on the other end would be roleblocked, problem semi solved? right i keep forgetting how AWESOME the bus driver is | ||
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SouthRawrea
Canada608 Posts
Foolishness=Ninja Pyrr= Veteran/Ninja BM= Hatter/Role Blocker | ||
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tree.hugger
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
On August 07 2010 10:12 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: This is a very weird first post. His first post is used to defend everyone that has previously posted. As someone who is experienced, I'd think he knows that determining mafia by post time really isn't helpful. I think we should be suspicious of people who defend others so early, because mafia have the best reasons to do so. I don't really think so, unless a mafia is really under threat, and the mafia thinks it can save that person without exposing themselves, (or if the person is one of the special roles, I guess) then they're likely to stay quiet and see if other people defend them first. I do see his post as poor reasoning, but not a scumtell by any stretch. He's already claimed this to be a lie, because he went on to say that Divinek was part of the RVS. He started a bandwagon on Divinek to save himself (BM is at 3 (i think) votes at the start of this and Divinek ends up temporarily at 3 due to rastaban). In previous games, even as green, he has done similar random vote plans but he was up front about it being RVS before. He didn't claim RVS time was OVER and then vote for someone for really being red and then turn around and say ~"oh I was lying, actually I was fucking around like usual”. This random vote thing is stupid at best, since he telegraphed his reasoning, but it is scummy at most likely. I know Mr. Baby Hands did similar things but he didn't do it this clumsily. My response to BM's soft blue claim: If red, he would be desperate at that point and so it's sort of a no brainer to claim blue and plant doubt. He has gone on the record asking for blues to claim to him even though he is not at all confirmed. He has also suggested that blues claim in the thread as their specific roles. He said veterans could lie and say they are more hit-juicy roles. Yet he himself only soft-claims? I find this to disprove his stated motives. If he believed in his plan he could get the ball rolling by following it. Bill Murray starts his voting with “now the game gets serious” and now tries to play it off as shits and giggles. He's clearly trying to create chaos to save himself – the question is whether he is worth saving. Seems to me there are more pro-town ways to defend one's self than to do random attacks to find one that sticks. If he was blue, he could be more low profile although low profile is not really his style. As blue, he could still try pointing out why suspicions about him are not founded, rather than creating more and more suspicions. See you keep thinking that BM was under serious pressure at that point, but the game had barely started. I could imagine someone pulling that when they're under the gun, but BM had three votes, a day ago, and the day hasn't even finished. I don't think we're nearly enough into the game to be saying things like that. The person who has the most votes after a few hours never gets lynched. I think BM is defending himself, but not to the point of desperation that you suggest. I just don't see the scumtells that you see. | ||
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Divinek
Canada4045 Posts
On August 07 2010 10:21 SouthRawrea wrote: IMO Foolishness=Ninja Pyrr= Veteran/Ninja BM= Hatter/Role Blocker your opinion is stupid and without reason. Posts like this are stupid are you trying to paint yourself poorly already. Trying to make reads on someones exact role at this point is LOL anyways. though if you do have reasons id be more than happy to hear them | ||
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SouthRawrea
Canada608 Posts
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Divinek
Canada4045 Posts
On August 07 2010 10:01 Artanis[Xp] wrote: It doesn't seem like a good idea to lynch active people right now to me. It seems activity is better for town and it will make scum more likely to slip up. I didn't expect to see 14 more pages the next time I opened the thread though. I haven't yet seen a convincing argument as to whether to vote for someone, though I doubt there will be any on day 1, so I will vote for a player that has been even more inactive than I have. Also, it'd be nice if people wouldn't throw about insults as much. We're playing a friendly game of mafia, guys. Nothing personal, just business. you voted for hesmyrr, did you not see his massive post on the last page? have you even been reading the thread. You realise you arent contributing ANYTHING, ur just like lets be fwiends im voting for someone inactive that isnt really as inactive as i am. You're going near the top o the list son | ||
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
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Pyrrhuloxia
United States6700 Posts
Foolishness wrote: Bill Murray's attitude is awfully serious for his norm... Hmm. Foolishness's very first post serves to distance himself from Bill Murray. On August 06 2010 12:37 Foolishness wrote: I once new a guy who swore by the fact that the third person to talk at the start of the first day was mafia. Yes...you just reminded me of him...did I mention he was never right about anything? Second post is again about how Bill Murray is playing weird. Foolishness voted BC Day 1 last game for less. Yet Foolishness goes right from this to being Bill Murray's best buddy. On August 06 2010 13:07 Foolishness wrote: I think we should seriously take a look at this brodooski...he's yet to make any real contribution, despite an overflowing of posts. He got pretty defensive when divinek voted for him, which isn't fool proof I know, but it's definitely something to take note of. Bill Murray, I may not have any idea how you're playing these days, but I'd totally support you against this brodooski. Bill Murray responds by saying he is playing his usual way (see my previous posts to see how this is true, at least for his usual way of playing Godfather. Not so much for town-aligned roles). Foolishness bites and then jumps on Pandain for a completely blameless post mentioning BM sketchily fishing for blue roles in pms (before posting his blue claim plan). When I previously said Foolishness Chainsaw Defended Bill Murray from Divinek, I meant Pandain. Sorry. Pandain is making a very important post here. Why should BM be fishing for blue roles? Running for town mayor a few games ago, he said he would follow town. It was as Godfather that BM came up with ideas to get town to give up their roles. There's no good reason to be role fishing this early before town can even discuss plans (Pandain even came up with a much safer one). Foolishness certainly knows this and I'm sure he'd be all over BM for this if they weren't on the same team. Foolishness is certainly not usually pro day 1 role claiming to completely unconfirmed sketchmobiles. No way. On August 06 2010 13:25 Foolishness wrote: Why wait until tonight when we got a lynch today? This is not classic townie foolishness at all. Foolishness wouldn't instigate or flare up shit like this with provocative spam. If he was blue or ninja, he wouldn't be so divisive. Maybe to defend a fellow mafia power player. On August 06 2010 13:41 Foolishness wrote: Yo guys...now I don't want to cause a commotion or anything...but I think it's Chezinu... Foolishness is usually the number one complainer about spam, but here the spam-hater has become the spam-hatee. Now spam is not a tell to me, without a lot of other evidence. What is a tell, here, is that Foolishness is waaaay less caring about the quality and helpfulness of his posts this game than usual. Now let's take a look at BM's PM's with Pandain: ---------------------------------------- actually, you are. ----------------------------------------- Original Message: All wifom man. You can tell me your role of course, I'll take it with a grain of salt. But frankly right as of now you're acting mafia-ish to me. ----------------------------------------- Original Message: exactly. would mafia do what i'm doing? use your head. ----------------------------------------- Original Message: haha, no way lol. What are we, 30 minutes in? Rofl. ----------------------------------------- Original Message: care to share roles? pretty sure you're town Looks like blue fishing to me. Why does he try to hide this at first and only make his claim demands public after Pandain brings it up? Why would Foolishness suddenly see this as a good idea even in a game with no blue counts? Why would Foolishness rip into me and Pandain for bringing this up when he is usually fine with ripping into big players for less sketchy things on Day 1? :-/ | ||
flamewheel
FREEAGLELAND26780 Posts
On August 07 2010 08:05 Pandain wrote: How about we in the thread just say "okay, now all you people visit THIS GUY's" house. the people don't even have to claim. Than the watcher can meet up with the tracker and we have a town circle already. With no suicide bomber, we have no risk either. OMFG WAS THIS AN ACTUAL IDEA!?!? That might be good?????? I know, I'm scared too O.o Comments? To clarify, we in the thread just decide for the watcher and tracker to visit ???. The watcher and Tracker DOES NOT CLAIM TO ANYONE. The watcher will then be like "hey, i saw you visited this guy." and pm him. Then we already have two blues in a town circle. Yay for townnnnnnnnnn IS this a good idea? Oh my goodness I'm so excited. Just calm down and don't edit again. On August 07 2010 08:48 Hesmyrr wrote: ... Also lol love1another. Vote love1another (Placeholder) Voting thread, Hesmyrr. Speaking of which, making a vote count. | ||
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