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SouthRawrea
Canada608 Posts
Also... what page are those PMs from? O.o | ||
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LSB
United States5171 Posts
Q1Okay, firstly, half of the first day has past. Why are people accusing others of being inactive now? Shouldn't we be doing this a lot later? Q2Rastaban's plan. Shouldn't rastaban see the obvious hole if the Godfather claims? It involves 1 person role claiming TODAY. we then protect this person and use them as a confirmed townie. Now here is where the plan takes shape. Since mafia can stack our protection will fail and he will die, but wait we actually have something even better. a Bus Driver. The bus driver will now perpetually Bus our claimant. Okay we Bus Driver the Godfather. Say for a minute that we use the vigilante. Now we can be sure there is only one in this game since it is such a strong role. If a DT checks someone and he gets vigilante then he knows he hit the other end of the chain and will know to disregard that nights reading. We have just eliminated the early chaos that this role generates. The other thing is that the mafia now knows if they risk hitting vig there is a chance it will fire back on them. How does the DT check the Godfather? The godfather is going to be Bus Drivered. If we publicly reveal who is going to be busdriverd, the mafia can use a framer, plan is moot as soon as someone points this out. (Oh wait! I did!) (I guess you could stick a watcher on the Bus Drivered person, but then we'd have to lynch both the DT and the framer, assuming that either of them would follow through with the plan) So either the DT or the Busdriver has to reveal himself… Hmm… 1 blue role gone immediately. Sounds fishy. On August 06 2010 22:52 rastaban wrote: Ok now I used vig in this example because he seems the best candidate but I could be wrong so town can advise. If we have the vig claim we know there will be only 1 (since otherwise town KP would be crazy) if we get 2 then we lynch both. This means we trade 1 vigilante for 1 Red with a 50% chance that the real vig stays alive. I don’t get this. How can we assume 1 vig? If there is 1 vig, and he claims. The Mafia has no reason to claim. If there is 2+ vigs, and they both claim. The Mafia has no reason to claim, as we’d kill both of the vigs. To me, this plan sounds really really really bad to the town. I don’t get what’s good about this plan, can someone explain it to me? We get a confirmed townie. Aren’t their better ways of doing this? To me it sounds like a plan meant to fail. Q3 Newbie question: How does mass rolechecking work? (I assume we send someone a PM telling them our role) Lets pretend we follow BM's plan. What would we do? Send him a PM with our role? What if BM is godfather? Q4 Newbie question: If we don’t kill the inactives now, when do we kill them? Q5: What do we do about Vayesh Moru? There’s no way to tell if he’s mafia/ninja/townie. | ||
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
Q2Rastaban's plan. Shouldn't rastaban see the obvious hole if the Godfather claims? It involves 1 person role claiming TODAY. we then protect this person and use them as a confirmed townie. Now here is where the plan takes shape. Since mafia can stack our protection will fail and he will die, but wait we actually have something even better. a Bus Driver. The bus driver will now perpetually Bus our claimant. The plan involves a vigi so even if GF claims, GF isn't going to be able to magically make a fourth KP come out of thin air at night | ||
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LSB
United States5171 Posts
On August 07 2010 10:41 chaoser wrote: The plan involves a vigi so even if GF claims, GF isn't going to be able to magically make a fourth KP come out of thin air at night Vig can't kill night one | ||
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Pyrrhuloxia
United States6700 Posts
On August 07 2010 10:37 SouthRawrea wrote: Question: Pyrr, seeing as how everyone thinks you're a ninja, what do you ahve to gain from getting him lynched? Is this your way of saying that you are not in fact a ninja? Also... what page are those PMs from? O.o They're from Pandain I doubt he has a problem with me posting them since they don't hurt the town in any way to be posted. Well I'm not a ninja but if I was a ninja I would probably still make arguments as if I was a townsperson so using this as a defense against being a ninja would be useless. | ||
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
I don’t get this. How can we assume 1 vig? If there is 1 vig, and he claims. The Mafia has no reason to claim. If there is 2+ vigs, and they both claim. The Mafia has no reason to claim, as we’d kill both of the vigs. To me, this plan sounds really really really bad to the town. I don’t get what’s good about this plan, can someone explain it to me? We get a confirmed townie. Aren’t their better ways of doing this? To me it sounds like a plan meant to fail. If two vigi claim it's not like we're going to lynch them then and there, we wait till they put their kills in. Also, if there are two vigi, I don't think both will claim, as soon as the first one claims, the second one will stay quiet cause there's no need to add two to the table. If the kill goes through then we're getting somewhere, if the kill doesn't then we'll have to look at the situation and see what's up. This is assuming before-Night claim. If it's an after-Night claim then it's a simple claim/counter claim situation | ||
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
We're not saying claim today/tonight, we're saying claim day 2/day 3 | ||
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LSB
United States5171 Posts
On August 07 2010 10:44 chaoser wrote: We're not saying claim today/tonight, we're saying claim day 2/day 3 Okay, what's stopping the Mafia from doublestacking someone they day a person claims Vig? So at night, their's only going to be 3 KP? And if we're talking about a day2/day3 plan. What's wrong with using DT mouths? | ||
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LSB
United States5171 Posts
My post above should have read Okay, what's stopping the Mafia from doublestacking someone the* day a person claims Vig? So at night, there's* only going to be 3 dead*? | ||
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Divinek
Canada4045 Posts
On August 07 2010 10:39 LSB wrote: Q4 Newbie question: If we don’t kill the inactives now, when do we kill them? well we vote for them in hopes that they stop being inactive. They'll either get modkilled or having to start making some real contributions...i hope. We kill them asap unless we have REAL evidence on someone else too many times we focus on 1 or 2 inactive ish people, when there's like half a dozen. I'm really bent on trying to avoid that this game speaking of which lets have a look at some inactive or people that have posted basically nothing thus far 1)lasjarles(or whatever) !!! 2)Misder 3) South 4) Artanis[xp] 5)roffles 6) love1another 7) iaaan !!! im really gonna press these names cause im gonna be gone until a few hours before deadline tomorrow so hopefully EVERYONE takes a look at these god damn people dont let these lurkers slide by | ||
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LSB
United States5171 Posts
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
On August 07 2010 10:47 LSB wrote: Gahh. My post above should have read Okay, what's stopping the Mafia from doublestacking someone the* day a person claims Vig? So at night, there's* only going to be 3 dead*? There isn't any if it's a before-Night claim but at least at that point Mafia will be self restricting themselves, making their own KP 2, if real vigi claims. The plan doesn't go forward until it's 100% sure the vigi is the real vigi. Either way it's good for town. If it's an after-Night claim then this isn't a problem. Right now this plan is on the back burner cause it'll take a while before it comes into play (either on day 2 or on day 3). Pandain's plan of tracker/watcher should be discussed though cause if fleshed out, we could get lots of information from it and in the best case scenario, we get a blue circle up with two blue roles. | ||
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Pyrrhuloxia
United States6700 Posts
We pick THIS GUY based on PL Finals results. Trackers all track THIS GUY. Watchers all watch THIS GUY. Assuming people follow this plan: If watchers see nothing, THIS GUY is a ninja. If watchers see one person, we can kill THIS GUY to prove he is not a ninja and then the watcher(s) and tracker(s) can claim to each other and town and we have a circle. Two mafia could counterclaim at this point and we would have a list of 4 with two mafia on it. If watchers see more than one person, it could be kinda tough. There could be 0-3 mafia on this list. I guess we could look to Conan(s) to figure it out... This all assumes that if a watcher watches a tracked ninja, they don't see a tracker. Could be easier otherwise. I asked flamewheel: " hey so if a watcher watches a tracked ninja, do they see a tracker?" I haven't received a response yet. | ||
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SouthRawrea
Canada608 Posts
On August 07 2010 10:49 Divinek wrote: well we vote for them in hopes that they stop being inactive. They'll either get modkilled or having to start making some real contributions...i hope. We kill them asap unless we have REAL evidence on someone else too many times we focus on 1 or 2 inactive ish people, when there's like half a dozen. I'm really bent on trying to avoid that this game speaking of which lets have a look at some inactive or people that have posted basically nothing thus far 1)lasjarles(or whatever) !!! 2)Misder 3) South 4) Artanis[xp] 5)roffles 6) love1another 7) iaaan !!! im really gonna press these names cause im gonna be gone until a few hours before deadline tomorrow so hopefully EVERYONE takes a look at these god damn people dont let these lurkers slide by Hey hey NO | ||
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
Innocent Stalker (Nosy Neighbor) You love visiting other people at night! Except for that you don't actually go in the house. You kind of just lurk around outside. Unfortunately, you also don't plan ahead so when you wander out of your domicile at night, you go someplace random! Every night, you will visit another person; I will RNG the number of the person you are to visit, but you will not know that you visited that person. You will not visit the same person two nights in a row. You will not be told that you are an Innocent Stalker. | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
So I was making this whole complicated thing about my plan, when I thought of something. Here's my thoughts......... Watccher and tracker visit BM Night hit will tell us whether they are mafia, since tracker will know about mafia. If mafia: Tracker and watcher gather up, two medics protect both of them. We lynch a certain mafia. Have town circle also. Possible mass roleclaim? If blue: We have a circle of 3 blues, perfect eh? Thoughts? | ||
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LSB
United States5171 Posts
My concern is, we cannot be 100% sure the vig is real. The mafia can always find a way to slip through and mess us up. For example, although you say that at that point Mafia will be self restricting themselves, making their own KP 2 Following this plan The plan involves a vigi so even if GF claims, GF isn't going to be able to magically make a fourth KP come out of thin air at night We'd kill the Vigilante, WASTING a lynch. In actuality the Mafia KP goes up to 6 2 the first night + The Vigilante + 3 the second night. Okay, put that on the backburner. I like the idea of tracker/watcher. Of course, we couldn't never truly know, but we'd get Data. Main problem is that we can't let the data get to the mafia, or else the mafia gets a nice little hit list of Blue roles. | ||
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Pyrrhuloxia
United States6700 Posts
On August 07 2010 10:57 Pandain wrote: Pandain's 1st Refinement of his plan: So I was making this whole complicated thing about my plan, when I thought of something. Here's my thoughts......... Watccher and tracker visit BM Night hit will tell us whether they are mafia, since tracker will know about mafia. If mafia: Tracker and watcher gather up, two medics protect both of them. We lynch a certain mafia. Have town circle also. Possible mass roleclaim? If blue: We have a circle of 3 blues, perfect eh? Thoughts? Mmm juicy enough that I may let BM live to see his precious nightfall. | ||
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Divinek
Canada4045 Posts
On August 07 2010 10:57 Pandain wrote: Pandain's 1st Refinement of his plan: So I was making this whole complicated thing about my plan, when I thought of something. Here's my thoughts......... Watccher and tracker visit BM Night hit will tell us whether they are mafia, since tracker will know about mafia. If mafia: Tracker and watcher gather up, two medics protect both of them. We lynch a certain mafia. Have town circle also. Possible mass roleclaim? If blue: We have a circle of 3 blues, perfect eh? Thoughts? yeah that sounds fine, it's a good way to clear someone as well. Since they will find each other, and both of the meds can protect BM and the DT can investigate him cant all blues with abilities like this find each other simply by all going to one player while a watcher/tracker is there? | ||
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
Lazy Stalker (Watcher) Unlike that cousin of yours, the Active Stalker, you enjoy being more slothful. You sit at home and stare at a computer screen all day, and thus you have become an insomniac. Since you are too lazy to go outside, you instead use your use of technology to watch people! Once per night, you may set up cameras outside somebody's domicile. You will be notified at the start of the next day by PM of all persons, if any, visiting said domicile last night. However, technology is inferior to the might of the Ninja, so you will not be able to see them visiting! If you watch somebody who is a target of the Mafia, you will be told who sent in that night's kill list. Mafia wouldn't even dare hit the person we decide to watch, that's an easy mafia found right there. Wow lol | ||
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