Here is the behemoth of a post. It is a shit ton of collection of posts of at this point, only five users. Sinquity, Infundibulum, Southrawrea, bumatlarge, youngminii.
This is extremely long, and god knows insanely tedious.
Sinquity
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On July 18 2010 07:51 SiNiquity wrote:
[8] pandain - Voted Incognito; How do we know who's mafia?; Spam
[7] Pyrrhuloxia - Supports DT down the list
[5] youngminii - Spammed pg 13
[5] rastaban - Activity List; Lynch Inactive, worried about verifying RNG; DT should go down the list
[5] SiNiquity - Almost mistook initial deaths for actual deaths; Lynch: 3 inactives + RNG; This activity list (can't link w/out edit)
[4] divinek - Lynch inactives
[4] BloodyC0bbler - Good guidelines; Inactive List + RNG, but need method to verify the RNG
[3] lakrismamma - Lynch inactives
[3] DarthThienAn - Spam
[2] xelin - RNG Lynch
[2] Amber[LighT] - Inactive until night of July 18th; Plan now, vote later; Lynch inactive
[2] ~OpZ~ - Claims Chaoser, Darth, and Infundiblum are mafia; ER + Job interview [+ sarcasm?]
[2] roffles - Lynch random person over inactive
[2] Jayme - Lynch: Inactive = RNG in accuracy, up for either; Against Inactive List + RNG
[1] tree.hugger - Lynch: 5 inactives + RNG
[1] chaoser - Lynch inactives
[1] bumatlarge - Bitter about Divinek railroading him
[1] SouthRawrea - Voted Incognito, aka essentially posted nothing (11 posts total??)
[1] Infundibulum - DT should not go down list to do rolechecks
[1] d3_crescentia - Against RNG - same chance of landing blue as red
[1] zeks - Lynch inactive, DT check active
[1] Tricode - Kill least inactive idiot
[0] hyperbola
[0] brownbear
[0] foolishness
[0] Subversion
[0] LaxerCannon
[0] Misder
[0] Citi.zen
[0] ketomai
The above list is a summary of what's happened since the beginning of the game. Post counts are in brackets, though of course don't just use this post, read the thread from the beginning and get a feel for each player.
Also, of those that haven't posted since the beginning, those in italics are players who were marked as "posted" under rastaban's activity list. Maybe they haven't gotten around to the thread, or maybe they're trying to fly under the radar having already been marked as "active."
If you feel I've characterized anything inaccurately or unjustly, please let me know. Took me about an hour to complete so it's entirely possible. Let nothing go unscrutinized!
On July 20 2010 06:27 SiNiquity wrote: Sorry for my absence yesterday - visiting relatives (on my anniversary no less, though we celebrated last month prematurely while we were in Europe) went wayy longer than I thought. Went to bed thinking we weren't allowed to talk - glad BM changed his mind. Day 1 Votes: + Show Spoiler [Voting Record (ordered by votes)] +
Pre-game votes:
[link] jayme ==> Amber[LighT]
[link] DarthThienAn ==> Abstain
[link] DarthThienAn ==> d3_crescentia
[link] d3_crescentia ==> DarthThienAn
[link] citi.zen ==> DarthThienAn
[link] rastaban ==> citi.zen
Day 1 Votes
[link] youngminii ==> Pyrrhuloxia
[link] Pandain ==> Incognito
[link] SouthRawrea ==> Incognito (edited to Abstain few hours later)
[link] ~OpZ~ ==> Chaoser
[link] BloodyC0bbler ==> Abstain
[link] bumatlarge ==> Divinek
[link] Pandain ==> BloodyC0bbler
[link] Hyperbola ==> SiNiquity
[link] LaXerCannon ==> Abstain
[link] youngminii ==> Abstain
[link] Divinek ==> Abstain
[link] Tricode ==> Abstain
[link] Misder ==> Hyperbola
[link] Divinek ==> Hyperbola
[link] Pandain ==> Hyperbola
[link] Pyrrhuloxia ==> Abstain
[link] Zeks ==> Hyperbola
[link] SiNiquity ==> Hyperbola
[link] Roffles ==> Abstain
[link] tree.hugger ==> LaXerCannon
[link] Foolishness ==> Abstain
[link] Lakrismamma ==> LaXerCannon
[link] Lakrismamma ==> Subversion
[link] BloodyC0bbler ==> Pandain
[link] ~OpZ~ ==> BloodyC0bbler
[link] Pyrrhuloxia ==> DarthThienAn
[link] XeliN ==> Brownbear
[link] iNfuNdiBuLuM ==> youngminii
[link] youngminii ==> iNfuNdiBuLuM
[link] citi.zen ==> ketomai
[link] XeliN ==> youngminii
[link] chaoser ==> Abstain
[link] Amber[LighT] ==> Abstain
[link] tree.hugger ==> DarthThienAn
[link] Amber[LighT] ==> youngminii
[link] Roffles ==> youngminii
[link] lakrismamma ==> ketomai
[link] DarthThienAn ==> Amber[LighT]
[link] bumatlarge ==> Hyperbola
[link] BrownBear ==> Hyperbola
[link] Protactinium ==> Abstain
[link] Jayme ==> youngminii
[link] Foolishness ==> BloodyC0bbler
[link] Misder ==> LaXerCannon
[link] zeks ==> Abstain
[link] Subversion ==> Hyperbola
jayme ==> Amber[LighT] ==> youngminii
DarthThienAn ==> Abstain ==> d3_crescentia ==> Amber[LighT]
d3_crescentia ==> DarthThienAn
citi.zen ==> DarthThienAn ==> ketomai
rastaban ==> citi.zen
youngminii ==> Pyrrhuloxia ==> Abstain ==> iNfuNdiBuLuM
Pandain ==> Incognito ==> BloodyC0bbler ==> Hyperbola
SouthRawrea ==> Incognito/Abstain
~OpZ~ ==> Chaoser ==> BloodyC0bbler
BloodyC0bbler ==> Abstain ==> Pandain
bumatlarge ==> Divinek ==> Hyperbola
Hyperbola ==> SiNiquity
LaXerCannon ==> Abstain
Divinek ==> Abstain ==> Hyperbola
Tricode ==> Abstain
Misder ==> Hyperbola ==> LaXerCannon
Pyrrhuloxia ==> Abstain ==> DarthThienAn
Zeks ==> Hyperbola ==> Abstain
SiNiquity ==> Hyperbola
Roffles ==> Abstain ==> youngminii
tree.hugger ==> LaXerCannon ==> DarthThienAn
Foolishness ==> Abstain ==> BloodyC0bbler
Lakrismamma ==> LaXerCannon ==> Subversion ==> ketomai
XeliN ==> Brownbear ==> youngminii
iNfuNdiBuLuM ==> youngminii
chaoser ==> Abstain
Amber[LighT] ==> Abstain ==> youngminii
BrownBear ==> Hyperbola
Protactinium ==> Abstain
Subversion ==> Hyperbola
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Few things that jumped out at me:
• Jayme voted for youngminii, not Amber[LighT] (brings youngminii's vote up to 5 from 4 - this is important, as you'll see in a bit).
• Subversion Votes for Hyperbola with a one liner as night approaches, 45 minutes before the deadline. The vote was previously tied at 5-5. There wasn't a vote count with the Jayme mistake in it, as Jayme voted in between the Last Non-Final Vote Count (4.5 hours before deadline) and the Final Vote Count. It could be a freak coincidence, and had it been left at tied Hyperbola would've won, as he achieved more votes first. But maybe it was too close for comfort, as it was 7 - 5 before two people unvoted Hyperbole. Who's to say another wouldn't have jumped ship? Putting it 6-5 made it more secure.
• youngminii as implied by the Subv.'s move. Again, this could be coincidence.
• Rastaban left his vote on citi.zen, a pre-game/pre-role vote, despite promising to change it. He doesn't disappear after this, but rather continues in the thread to argue about the lynch/no-lynch debate, even up until a few hours before the deadline, without ever changing his vote.
• citi.zen and lakrismamma left their votes on ketomai, someone who was almost assuredly going to get mod-killed. Citi.zen did this initially to "get ketomai to participate," and lak followed suit, though when ketomai didn't participate (obv. modkill target) the vote should've been moved, especially after he was replaced by Protactinium. Likely a simple mistake, but should've been addressed more when DTA points out the wtf'ness
• BrownBear sticks out to me for the reasons already been covered. You'd think he's never played Mafia before based on the way he's playing, but that's hardly the case.
On July 22 2010 11:03 SiNiquity wrote: Much love BM. I just went through and tallied the votes since the start of day 2 because I was tired of all the miscounts (and wanted independent verification). Your tally is the first correct count since chaoser counted 10-15 pages back (tho Rastaban was often close). ## Unvote Abstain ## Vote Chaoser I could be a total sucker, but I believe Subversion, and Chaoser reminded me of pre-post-edit? Annnd apparently I walk away from computers and forget to hit post. -_-
Hmm interesting. So BC is either a Veteran or was protected by the remaining medic (orr Medics can protect the night they're killed, and Roffles protected BC). Is that last one even possible?
Now, these are only a few of the posts sinquity has made, but they show a general trend from day 1 and 2 posting where all he seems to do is post very short amounts of content. He has many posts where he quotes large posts and replies with very little, but on average spends most of the first two days talking about vote lists from day 1, then after his day 2 vote goes inactive for over 24 hours. I have ignored the day 3 posts as they are currently current and seems that he is taking a step out of his shell. My overall impression is that he is a Mafia being heavily coached, or a town who was unsure of how to contribute as he seemed to be posting, but nothing of real substance till today. Hopefully time will raw him out of his shell, but as it seems now, that isn’t something I see happening without heavy motivation. I am hopeful that this post calling him out will force him to contribute properly.
Infundibulum
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On July 18 2010 03:22 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:
Ignoring vigi/hatter kills and vet/medic protections and double lynch,
Worst case scenario for town is 6 days at 3 town members/day at which point 18 townies are dead and numbers are equal. However given mafia vote swinging and town inactivity/stupidity, 5 missed lynches is probably our cutoff point for certain death.
I haven't taken the time to do precise math, but it seems to me that blue roles in our setup slightly favor town, however if i'm reading the rules right the mafia have 2kp until they get down to 3 members, which is nice for them.
DT's can day 1 check if they want, though i dunno if this is a really great idea since it would mostly be a blind rolecheck. But i also don't want to say 'don't do it all.' DT's should not go down the list for their rolechecks though. This is a dumb idea and we simply don't have the luxury of time. I think DT should use his analysis and intuition to check suspicious players, like normal.
On July 18 2010 08:03 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:
RNG lynch is dumb because you have more of a chance to land on a townie, and then he could be a helpful townie.
if we lynch an inactive we're killing someone who probably would not have helped us anyway
however, i don't want to lynch someone that would just get modkilled since that's obviously a waste.
Bill, how many votes can someone miss before they get zapped?
On July 18 2010 16:16 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:
ugh i'm about to go to bed. i'm gonna sleep on this and vote when i wake up tomorrow.
here's the thing that you guys need to realize that some other people have already pointed out:
1. No lynch (all abstain) is anti town and allows mafia to eke out a lynch on a green
2. RNG lynch is only slightly less bad with a higher chance hitting a blue than a red
3. We should be using our day 1 lynch to kill someone who is being STUPID. This way we either kill a stupid townie (a burden) or a stupid mafia (yay!)
4. Don't PM Opz.
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On July 18 2010 21:24 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:
i really should refresh before i post, since i missed your last post when i was writing mine.
anyway your defense up there only addresses 1 thing that BC and citizen pointed out, which was the initial sentence. maybe you were joking (a reasonable explanation, i do admit, and i read it that way at first for what it's worth), maybe you weren't.
but what about asking the already answered questions? what about obvious blue advice that any blue knows?
what about telling the town it's a good idea to abstain? (it's not)
citizen didn't say that you weren't strong as i saw it, rather he said those kinds of mistakes were not something he would expect from you.
see, this is why i wrote that "just in case," since i know i'm not gonna be here my vote has a chance of being useless so i'm taking a gambit with a person that i think could be a lynch target as the night deadline rolls around. i knew you would come and have something to say; obviously just not this soon (sooner than me lol). sorry, but you haven't convinced me to move my vote.
Show nested quote +On July 19 2010 10:54 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:On July 18 2010 21:46 youngminii wrote:
There was only one thing that they did point out and that's the only thing that was directed at me, hence I responded to it.
Obvious blue advice? Really? Do you honestly believe that all 30 people in this thread know exactly how to play blue? Do you really think that each and every new person in here knows how to play their role perfectly? So in the case of all 30 people knowing the exact way to play without any discussions as to any plans we should just leave it at that and not discuss our options? You can't be that stupid, I refuse to believe it. Obvious blue advice: Just for some pre-emptive planning for the night: DTs check 'good' players, especially players that are unlikely to go inactive. Medics should protect whoever they want, generally you'd want to protect the person that seems the most towny and frequently posts. Of course, if you feel that you should be doing something else, you should trust your instincts. I do not believe all 30 people in this game are perfect blue players, but then again most people aren't. On top of this, I never suggested such a scenario in the first place and you are putting words in my mouth. The question is why are you resorting to such arguing tactics? Do you need to make up my arguments for me so that you can counter them? I echoed citizen's previous statement that your blue "advice" is completely useless. There is a lot to learn about playing as a blue, but nothing in that bit of text offers anything new to anybody here. Seriously. Also, what already answered questions? Back up your statements with evidence please. I admit that here I was echoing citizen without reading back in the thread to see if he was correct. It looks lie this is a non-issue. you did ask about stuff that was clearly visible in the rules, but you also said you were tired and i miss stuff in the rules all the time so can't fault you on that. charge cleared. How is telling the town to abstain not a good idea? I'm willing to accept criticism of my ideas, but I'm not willing to just sit back and watch as someone comes in, votes for me as a placeholder in case a bandwagon is formed on me (which I suppose is pre-emptive bandwagoning) and then says my ideas are not good. Information Instead of Analysis. In fact, IIoA is a big scumtell in my experiences in other mafia sites (not sure about TL since this site is actually quite a lot different). Myself and several others have already explained the faulty logic of no lynch day 1. Basically, the crux of the argument is this: The Town does not have the luxury of time. This argument was also the basis of my criticism of the dt check-down-the-list plan. And i didn't try to start a bandwagon on you, if you would the kindly note the lack of persuasive language and overall tentative tone of that initial post i made, which was mostly about other players and not you specifically. Despite this, you've gone to considerable lengths to defend yourself from my single vote, which i thin at least 1 other player has pointed out. And maybe i'm misunderstanding the term, but what does IIOA have to do with this? I never said citi.zen said I was good. In fact, I implied citi.zen said I was quite bad. I don't critique citi.zen's play because as far as I can tell, people seem to believe his meta is good but if he continues to critique me, so be it. I don't care. Citizen said you were good and that the mistakes in your post were unbecoming of your play style. You thought he was saying you are bad; i was correcting this. Your 'just in case' is the same as bandwagoning, except you're doing it early. You think there might be a chance that people will start voting for me so you put your vote on me 'just in case'. Biggest hidden form of bandwagoning imo. I had already said i'd be gone all day. Why would I vote for a player who i was sure wouldn't be lynched (like, say, Roffles)? I want my vote to count. Otherwise I might as well abstain, and I think i've made clear my feelings on abstaining. My conclusion: You're either a really bad scum, really bad townie, or a fucking bad blue. Cut the bullshit. I'm here to play mafia, not to read other players post "LOL UR BAD" Show nested quote +
On July 20 2010 15:23 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:
BB, the main hurdles are
1) godfather posing as vet (null if he has picked a different role to appear as)
and 2) mafia will snipe other blues
basically, if the vets claim, their power (being able to absorb hits) is null. the mafia can get a near-guaranteed 2 kp each as long as they dodge medic protects.
we would have to be able to funnel enough info to a CONFIRMED vet (would take at least 1 day to confirm) and organize a dangerous enough town structure before the mafia would even think about trading in their 2 kills on a vet instead of 2 kills on town players.
i'm not totally convinced that vets roleclaiming is a good idea.
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On July 20 2010 15:38 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:
BrownBear i'd like to see more input from the rest of the town but i guess my sentiments on vets claiming boils to this:
1. the town wants the mafia to inadvertently waste hits on vets
2. vets claiming practically guarantees that this will not happen
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On July 21 2010 09:06 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:
Guys, these players haven't posted since Day 2 began:
7. xelin
10. lakrismamma
14. SouthRawrea
30. roffles
My thoughts on lynch candidates so far:
DTA - probable town, based on his behavior towards Foolishness.
BB - unsure.
Subversion - inexperienced townie.
Right not my spidey sense is tingling and i'm pretty sure that a lot of the recent posts are just town infighting while the mafia sits back and watches. The players on my list up there, and the ones who are attempting to slip under the radar with 1-2 posts since Day 2 are the kind of people we need to keep an eye on.
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On July 21 2010 12:38 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:
#vote for double lynch
i'm not convinced about any of the lynch candidates so far, so i'll wait on that.
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On July 22 2010 08:16 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:
Can anyone summarize why they think chaoser is mafia?
So far I haven't seen a single convincing analysis; it just looks like people are voting for him because other people are voting for him.
Show nested quote +On July 22 2010 13:45 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:On July 22 2010 13:43 youngminii wrote:
Also, all evidence as of right now points to me being a better player than you, protractinium. I defended DTA, you lynched him. There is every reason in the world I'm allowed to tell you how to play. All in all this doesn't mean a whole lot. A red player will vote for one of his own if he knows that person will die anyway. He will also defend a townie who has good chances of dying in order to make himself appear more credible. On July 23 2010 13:07 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:
Or, youngminii, you could answer the question and clarify your position for the rest of the town.
As it is right now, you are
1) dodging the question
2) becoming hostile
I was not hostile - the post you made about tree huggers PM's is actually pretty important and I didn't really follow your thought process. You obviously know a lot about tree hugger, yet you are refusing to share this information with the town. Why? I looked back in the thread and didn't see the clarifying post you mentioned before.
I don't understand why you're so uncooperative. Like I said, if i was in your position, i would be thinking pretty hard about tree hugger being scum, especially since he'd been pushing for Subversions lynch over chaoser - someone who you thought (think) was red. But you don't think he's scum. I asked why, a reasonable question, and you haven't answered.
Why are you dodging the questions?
There is more to his posts, but that is a generally decent pool to snag from. From everything I can see infundi is playing extremely pro town, and coupled with has only had one major person he has argued with being youngminii. He has managed to consistently provide fairly level advice and surprisingly been largely ignored. Since he is considered a more experienced player (his background in TL mafia would also agree that he should be) the lack of really anyone listening to him is vaguely surprising to me. I believe he also needs to be a bit more active/forceful to get his point across, but extremely pro town as of this point in time.
southrawrea
+ Show Spoiler +On July 17 2010 10:48 SouthRawrea wrote: We should like.. have a village bonfire where we eat marshmallows and tell spookie stories in the afternoon. Show nested quote +On July 17 2010 22:57 SouthRawrea wrote: ####Vote Abstain
On July 19 2010 09:59 SouthRawrea wrote:
My take on this is we should take it easy Day 1 and just individually take note of inactives/suspicious individuals until we get our power roles in action tonight. Sure we may end up lynching one of the Reds and it does indeed help to lynch scummy players in order to lessen the number suspects in a future lynch but Random Lynching on Day 1 also allows Reds to gain a foothold in swaying the opinions of players in a future 50/50 situation (ex: Player X is active since Day 1 and seems to be pro-town but is in actuality a mafia. Both him and a Player Y, a cop, counter-claim each other with conflicting reports several days later and the town is given a 50/50 shot at lynching the right person but the other cop hasn't been speaking as much in fear of revealing the fact that he is a cop to the mafia through unintentional, implicit clues. The rest of the village trusts Player X because he seems to be more Pro-Town than Player Y.) and we risk the possibility of lynching one of our power roles early on. Just my 2 cents on why I voted to abstain from lynching.
On July 20 2010 08:04 SouthRawrea wrote:
Talking at night is stupid D:. It takes away from what the game is supposed to be.
On July 21 2010 11:19 SouthRawrea wrote:
Um this is getting a bit too heated in my opinion but this may all just be coming from the fact that chaoser is furiously trying to get the town's suspicion placed on Subversion or he's reading wayyy too much into the words typed out by Subversion. This is his first game and I can emphasize with him because you don't quite think out every thing you type especially in your first game. If I try to help my team (because I've played a couple of forum games before) I generally type furiously without reading over what I've typed and trying to think how that would read to another player. Also, I'm pretty sure Subversion hasn't mentioned you. I do think you're trying too hard to tunnel him (not sure if that term is used here). However, it's not like you're voting him or anything which makes me inclined to think that you're just trying to defend yourself and help the village in general. I don't see why you'd go for Subversion instead of an inactive such as me.
##Vote Chaoser
I would abstain but we can afford a mislynch now and we have a bit of information to work with especially because the detectives have their reports and we have a claim. This generally works in our favour as there hasn't been a lucky kill for the mafia and there is alot more text to read upon for scumtells. Also we get more info now. (Not quite sure how this works in my head but I imagine a detective claim from someone getting lynched day 2 is much more convincing than one on day 1 especially because they have a report now)
On July 22 2010 08:40 SouthRawrea wrote:
Maybe there's a fool in the game with the simple objective of trying to get lynched? Also, getting a fool/mafia vibe from DTA that can happen in the event that both are present in a game. Gonna assume there isn't one unless BM added one in secretly and consider DTA for lynching as well. I'll actually bandwagon if a lynch occurs later or perhaps start it on another day just because as I'm continuing to read, some of my suspicions are beginning to coincide with some of those who suspect him. Overall though, not a huge suspect on my list.
On July 22 2010 12:00 SouthRawrea wrote:
Gonna leave my vote the way it is. Gonna sleep for tonight gotta get up early tomorrow.
On July 23 2010 09:29 SouthRawrea wrote:
I mean it ruins the whole mafia game in a way. In old-school mafia in real life the people would like put their heads down while the night roles did stuff and no one would talk. It's dumb because it ruins the game's vibe I guess.
Welcome to southrawrea, the classic case of a mafia member “being active”. I’m not sure how he has been missed this long as well, almost all his posts are useless, rehashing old information someone has said, or obvious filler posts to distract people from how inactive he has been. Considering he hasn’t been very active overall, and coupled with the style of posts he is making, I am sure he is mafia, and IMO someone we should consider lynching. If anyone doubts it, go read all his posts for yourself, you will see what I mean. If you refuse to go read his posts, take the sample I have given and make your decision off that.
BumatLarge
+ Show Spoiler +On July 18 2010 05:29 bumatlarge wrote: I personally think divinek is mafia. Because he sucks. Oh my god he sucks. ##Vote Divinek Show nested quote +On July 19 2010 05:27 bumatlarge wrote: The "not lynching 1st day" has been discussed to death in other games. It is 99% of the time a disadvantageous plan, even with a small number of people. In the overall scheme of things we need to get rid of someone by town decision, and we have alot of posts to base it on. We have an ok shot at hitting a mafia right here so I suggest we do it. -Don't hit an EXTREMELY active person. They could be mafia, but they are putting themselves out there and will eventually be weeded out. -Don't hit those in danger of modkills. If they do some last minute stunt, well massive FoS on them for it. The above list looks ok, but I'm going to shy away from Darth, because I called him out another game for being way too helpful (weird, but he was red that game) and hes trying something different. I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt that he's just changing up his playstyle to avoid getting killed again, and I'm not implying that it seems scummy at all for him. Please reconsider as of this moment. Darth WOULD lift a finger to defend himself the same way no matter his role. I think he knows this so he's gonna try his luck. In fact I think hes blue, because I havent seen him play it, and it's a different style, so Im going to take some heat for him right now and ask that if you really are bent on voting for darth, vote for me instead Young seems green imo and Ketomai is still in DANGERZONE. Hyperbola seems like a viable candidate from what I read, BUT SO DOES DIVINEK (DIEDIEDIE) ... ok I'll let him slide today unvote ##Vote Hyperbola
On July 20 2010 22:59 bumatlarge wrote:
Poor brownbear, suprised only one person is calling out darth for his posting youd think mafia would jump on the chance of a towny greenclaiming Godfather. Unless hes mafia, then it all makes sense. You may argue that D3 could be scum, but would you really run head first into a vote as mafia without trying to at least convince someone that certain posting is detrimental. And if darth is red, then divinek is an easy pick after. I mean, hell why not lynch everyone darth has accused after. I think he might be trying to get caught. I see no traitor role. If you agree with me I suggest ignoring everything darth says after this.
##Vote DarthThienAn
On July 21 2010 04:37 bumatlarge wrote:
Eh, it just seems typical of him to do this. I think too many people are accusing him that there isnt a single red between them. You may argue that lynching BB is beneficial either way, but we dont really get much info from that death. Although it isnt really RNG at this point, we can still choose the person who would give us the best results. I can't really think of a better candidate then DTA.
I know it may put FoS on me, but what would it benefit me to go out and protect him if we were both scum? Pray everyone blindly follows us and hope DTs dont check either of us? The votes on day1 dont help my point but lol,,, Hope to god he isnt red.
Subversion looks scummy though you can lynch him all the way
On July 21 2010 05:25 bumatlarge wrote:
Ive heard of shoving your foot in your mouth, but sub basically ate a scuba flipper whole, shat it out, took pictures and posted it on the internet, then assumes no one will find that outrageously gross. You would have to be a freak, and in this case scum.
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##Vote Subversion
On July 23 2010 08:10 bumatlarge wrote:
We could just WIFOM the hell out of the reds by bomber logic!
Alright so let's say subversion s blue of an unknown type. Scum would sacrifice they're bomber on the offchance that a blue is vsiting him. Sub has already proved to be disadvantageous to the town along wth being one of the chief suspects town has, so they would be relyng that another blue is visiting him, which imo is worth the bombers life if one is at least a DT or med. Now, multiple townies are recognizing that the bomber has a strong chance of hitting sub, and any cautous blue (which is most) wont touch that guy anyway. And if hes just green trying to save himself? And no one visits him? HAHA losers. And ifs hes truly red, DTs wont worry. Honestly blowing the bomber on a less then subpar person with a crasphoot chance that a blue feels the need to act on sub s an awful lay for scum so early nto the game. And you would rsk a ht on someone who clamed blue, hasnt done much and is already under the magnifying glass.
So blues will do whatever they think best leaning against not acting on sub, and scum can consder wastng a memeber when there are 22 other townes around
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On July 23 2010 14:07 bumatlarge wrote:
yawn is the post gonna be up soon i need to get my beauty sleep
On July 24 2010 03:00 bumatlarge wrote:
I think we should hold off lynching tricode and iniaite double lynch tommorrow. A DT should check either of them, i wont say which because of the bomber, and then PM someone (i have no idea who it depends on DTs checks, but id suggest a random vanilla he checked previously that is unlikely to be GF) to give results. If BC is mafia, he was forced to come forward or else the medic would call him out, but I also thinks he could be a lucky godfather who can get the max use out of his disguose by this (hes a sure fire candidate depending on the red team). Either way, i think tricode being red would be giving it away if hes checked, so in my opinions hes 95% vig. If I was DT I would consider PMing him, but then FoS on me for suggesting who the DT should PM
Also reds hit inactives right? What about other inequally inactive players who did not get hit. Southrawrea ive never played with but ill assume hes new. If it was my firtish game, id stay quieter then normal. Laxer and xelin also, but i cant really check (id feel stupid if they actually have been posting more then me -_-) on my phone properly. Just suggesting to look at those who scum didnt hit.
tldr - hold off the BC/tricode vote and gun for a lesslikely blue inactive
##vote southrawrea
vote doublelynch
Now, bumatlarge is guilty of a few things. Posting random things that barely contribute to the game. He seems to surf activity appearing active, yet not active. He has jumped on multiple bandwagons without contributing anything horribly insightful for the level of experience he possess’. Overall it has been a fairly bad play from him if hes town, while good play if hes mafia. I would recommend him as another strong lynch target.
Youngminii
Oh god this will be a nightmare
+ Show Spoiler +On July 18 2010 09:48 youngminii wrote: Show nested quote +
On July 18 2010 05:09 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Secondly, we should set up potential lists of people to watch out for until they can be confirmed. I would start with
BloodyC0bbler
Foolishness
DTA
YoungMirii
Citizen
I believe us 5 should be under the most scrutiny at the beginning of this game.
What, why am I included in a scum list
Anyways, I've been spamming Starcraft 2 all night and I'm dead tired but since we haven't really moved out of RVS it looks like I haven't missed out on much.
I have a question for BM. What happens if everyone votes to abstain? If the answer is a no lynch, then I suggest everyone change their votes to abstain for the first day. A no lynch (in my experience) on the first day is generally beneficial to town in a standard-ish setup. We'll also get all the modkills out of the way which will narrow down the list of potential scum. I especially do not want to accidentally go and lynch a blue role, that'd be horrible.
In fact, I have another question (I may have just missed this in the OP), are roles flipped upon death? I'd assume so but I just want to make sure.
Just for some pre-emptive planning for the night: DTs check 'good' players, especially players that are unlikely to go inactive. Medics should protect whoever they want, generally you'd want to protect the person that seems the most towny and frequently posts. Of course, if you feel that you should be doing something else, you should trust your instincts.
On July 18 2010 12:55 youngminii wrote:
Oh yeah I totally forgot lynching an inactive is exactly the same as abstaining. Heh, obvious lack of logic in my plans.
On July 18 2010 20:46 youngminii wrote:
Okay I find it funny how BC and citi.zen go nuts over how I said (half jokingly) scum list instead of list of people under scrutiny. I get that this is the phase of the game where you pick apart the tiniest words of everyone but that's just ridiculous.
Anyway, what's with Opz randomly saying everyone should PM him? Is he some mafia veteran god? That's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard, why would you even try and ask that? Do you honestly think people will PM you or are you scum trying to bait the newbies for some free blue kills?
@ Subversion: There's been nothing interesting. You're clearly misreading the thread if you see anything interesting because it's a bunch of people (including myself) in complete disarray talking about stuff that no one else agrees with.
As for hyperbola's bandwagon: it has absolutely no reasoning behind it but it is day 1. I'd prefer abstaining/lynching someone that's about to be modkilled but so many of you are against that with no good reason and decide to lynch someone based on the smallest reasoning founded on RVS.
On July 18 2010 21:01 youngminii wrote:
Actually, I'm not going to overlook it. Why would you place a vote on me 'just in case'? Especially after you heard BC say I was a strong player (which citi.zen evidently disagrees with)? You have these two guys criticising my post when it's not even serious, you jump on this bandwagon and then put a placeholder vote on me just in case?
Does this not strike you as scummy at all? Overly scummy but scummy nonetheless? In fact, I think this is the scummiest post I have seen all game (not that long). However, I don't think you're really that bad at this game and even a mediocre scum wouldn't do that kind of mistake. Will need confirmation on other more experienced TL mafia players on your meta.
On July 18 2010 21:46 youngminii wrote:
There was only one thing that they did point out and that's the only thing that was directed at me, hence I responded to it.
Obvious blue advice? Really? Do you honestly believe that all 30 people in this thread know exactly how to play blue? Do you really think that each and every new person in here knows how to play their role perfectly? So in the case of all 30 people knowing the exact way to play without any discussions as to any plans we should just leave it at that and not discuss our options? You can't be that stupid, I refuse to believe it.
Also, what already answered questions? Back up your statements with evidence please.
How is telling the town to abstain not a good idea? I'm willing to accept criticism of my ideas, but I'm not willing to just sit back and watch as someone comes in, votes for me as a placeholder in case a bandwagon is formed on me (which I suppose is pre-emptive bandwagoning) and then says my ideas are not good. Information Instead of Analysis. In fact, IIoA is a big scumtell in my experiences in other mafia sites (not sure about TL since this site is actually quite a lot different).
I never said citi.zen said I was good. In fact, I implied citi.zen said I was quite bad. I don't critique citi.zen's play because as far as I can tell, people seem to believe his meta is good but if he continues to critique me, so be it. I don't care.
Your 'just in case' is the same as bandwagoning, except you're doing it early. You think there might be a chance that people will start voting for me so you put your vote on me 'just in case'. Biggest hidden form of bandwagoning imo.
My conclusion: You're either a really bad scum, really bad townie, or a fucking bad blue.
##Bote infundibulum
On July 19 2010 03:37 youngminii wrote:
It looks like it's a toss up between hyperbola(5), DTA(3), and myself(4).
I personally think the bandwagon on hyperbola is the dumbest thing in the world. Everyone that's been on that bandwagon should have their posts as to why they jumped on analysed later on.
The main argument against DTA is that he's lurking as scum so that he doesn't draw attention to himself. You've put your pressure on him and he isn't responding. A lurker would pop up and defend himself, especially with only about 5 1/2 hours 'til the deadline.
As for myself, the bandwagon is less stupid than hyperbola's because it actually has a reason/substance behind it. However, it's still pretty bad because I'm being targeted because I offered a plan and generated discussion.
This is why lynching on the first day is a terrible, terrible idea. The scum can blend in with the town so well and even lurk a bit. They'll just leave people to lynch each other on the first day or two and before you know it, it's lylo. No lynching is a gift, use it. If not, lynch an inactive (someone that's about to be modkilled).
I am 99% certain that whoever gets lynched today will not be scum, simply because it is way too easy for scum not to draw attention on the first day.
On July 21 2010 08:32 youngminii wrote:
Oh right.
##Vote chaoser
I also say we lynch BB at a later date just to see what he is. What's more ridiculous than the hyperbola bandwagon is the subversion bandwagon, unless I missed some important post. I have this instinctive feeling that BB/DTA might be scum and most of the people voting for subversion are scum protecting BB/DTA.
On July 21 2010 08:32 youngminii wrote:
FoS tree.hugger, bumatlarge, darththienan, chaoser
On July 21 2010 10:50 youngminii wrote:
My scumdar indicates that Subversion is not scum. I think that his bandwagon has to be one of the most interesting developments in the game so far. I refuse to believe that a load of townies simply jumped on because he said 'mafia aren't making too many mistakes'. There is at least one mafia in his bandwagon and I am convinced it is chaoser.
On July 21 2010 14:27 youngminii wrote:
My suspicion on infindouwioej4l5k23wtgjfxvpcohinkium is still here, it's just a lot smaller than everything else going on right now.
On July 22 2010 03:40 youngminii wrote:I honestly don't understand Amber[light]'s vote on Subversion, it makes absolutely no sense to me. Anyway, while I think chaoser is more likely to be scum than DTA, I'm not going to be all like OMG YOU SHOULDN'T VOTE FOR DTA JUST BECAUSE OF ONE POST!!! That said, I think we should have been more careful before lynching DTA because the arguments seem a bit weak. Yes, there was a whole WALL of text explaining why we should lynch DTA but if you actually read the post you'd know there are lots of flaws in it. Let's begin dissecting Pyrr's post. Show nested quote +Alright, I was gonna change my vote to the reddest of BrownBear and Subversion. But, I don't really like going after either of them today so maybe I can get some of you to change your votes. My Ph.D. Dissertation on DarthTheinAnby Pyrrhuloxia The Story Thus FarDay 1 Accusation + Show Spoiler +My thoughts: hyperbola is prolly just a quick trigger townie; I'd think a mafia would be too skittish to CONTINUE with it, especially when voting is so thin at this point. Mafia wouldn't have to be desperate as of now. Townie or red, hyperbola is obviously desperate now, with so many votes against him. But the desperation started and caused the bandwagon (according to Pandain). When the hyperbola bandwagon started, voting was evened out so there wouldn't be a need for mafia to bandwagon on someone. Mafia don't really tend to bandwagon anyone day one, at least they don't start the first bandwagon. They might start a second bandwagon to save someone's ass. Doesn't really help prove anyone innocent but I think hyperbola's behavior could be townie and the voting against him could be townie too. In better words, neither action really stick out at me as suspicious but no one's exonerated. Maybe if a team of people desperately work to save him there could be something going on.
I'd like to hear why foolishness is so quiet this game. I've seen him in games as green and games as blue (DT). Both times he was really active and talkative and was somewhat of a leader with plans and so on. I've never seen him quiet and I've never seen him red. Could be an irl thing, could be something else.
Darth...'s plan to "maximize" deaths on Day 1 strikes me as poor thinking. I get that it gets us information, so this could certainly be a townie sentiment. However, I've been red in many past games and I often got pissed off at how much harder it could be to win with just one more townie alive at the end, due to a non-lynch or something similar.
At this point, my vote really is between Darth and hyperbola because it seems too late to rally the town anywhere else. Hyperbola strikes me as green running mouth. The reactions to that at least give the town something, even if he's red. Darth's hanging back and saying something that could be a subtle red move or a legitimate townie move.
Yeah I double checked his other posts, and everything else is Darth clown spamming. As someone nicely put it: he's playing like Chezinu. So I can't be made to feel guilty about voting for him. Day 1 "Refutation" by the accused, wherein he admits he should be lynched, except not, because. + Show Spoiler +In my experience, mafia rarely actually "bandwagon". One or two might hop in for the final vote to kill someone they don't like over the current top target, but usually, they just vote wherever they feel like, based on their posting and what they've said in the past.
The hyperbola bandwagon is just plain stupid imo. Anyone who was "convinced" by Siniquity's argument against hyperbola is also plain stupid. He gave poor reasoning for a random vote, but that does not make him mafia. A lot of the times, mafia play more like Siniquity, pointing out "mistakes" that townies make, and calling them scummy.
My post was to contrast YellowInk's silly no lynch suggestion. Why are we even considering that? We need information. The game is about getting information for the town ASAP so that we can lynch/KP accurately. Therefore, we lynch a someone who is not already going to be modkilled. Pandain, I was only half-joking about it. Lynch someone who has voted but is not helping the town out. Someone like me, but, preferably, not me.
And you're right, I was playing like Chezinu ^_^. He has inspired me.
I might be out for the rest of today. Before you lynch me, consider how many other people have not posted, but have voted. For instance, d3, who is currently voting for me, but has said as little as I have said.
Also, don't PM Opz, PM me!! ^^. Day 2 Accusation + Show Spoiler +On July 21 2010 03:18 Misder wrote:Foolishness's posts interest me a lot. I'm not sure if he was targeted because of his posts or because he was active, but we can look at his posts. (these posts are in backward order>.< sorry.) + Show Spoiler +On July 20 2010 09:31 Foolishness wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2010 09:25 Pandain wrote:Hmm time passes too fast. As this is my first mafia game, I'm extra afraid I'm going to die. So in case I die, I'll live something that players can easily check on if they want to. It's the posts by each player in the game, in case a player wants to check up on something. BrownBear + Show Spoiler +Oh god there are 600 posts. How could I be so stupid -.-. Unless people really want me to keep making these(which I'll of course do, gladly) I'll be doing it farily slowly. + Show Spoiler +This was harder than I thought  . Oh well. You'd have an easier time if you look at lakrismamma or citi.zen If the mafia did target Foolishness for his posts, it seems to point fingers at lakrismamma or citi.zen. We can't be positive, but we can be suspicious, especially since most of Foolishness' posts are targeting citi.zen + Show Spoiler +On July 20 2010 08:30 Foolishness wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2010 08:22 DarthThienAn wrote:Foolishness, are you so innocent yourself? You haven't really posted at all. Unofficial Start of the Game: Your first post after it: which doesn't really say much.
2nd post: A ninja abstain vote to avoid modkill. Let's see if you change it later / actually contribute. 3rd post: There's the switch. You go to BC based on "bad vibes," claim busy IRL, and promise future activity. Your next post: A summary of what happened during the voting. Implies youngminii, BrownBear, and bumatlarge might all be mafia together. Next (two): Basically saying that we can't pull much from the voting patterns without more information than the vote talliers have given us. Next: Bashing on me for... what, joking around a bit and still providing about as much content as you? Gonna stop there as the other posts are pretty recent. So how much content have you provided? Not much. And all of it is within the last two pages. Sure you're busy with life and all, but maybe I'm busy with life too. Maybe we're all busy with life, except flamewheel. Sure, I might be spamming a bit here and there, but maybe I don't have much to say / don't have the time to write it all out. This isn't about me. This is about you. I gave reason for my actions. Where's your reasons on why you're acting "like Chezinu"? Most people are blind so let me spell it out for everyone. You're hiding something. It's clear that you're attitude is the result of the fact you know some information that you don't want everyone else to know. That means you're blue or red. I'm sure I'm not the only one to figure this out, and if you're blue I bet a mafia member has figured this out. And if you don't have much to say/don't have the time to write it all out, go get yourself replaced. By the way, shoving arguments against me to try to divert attention off of yourself is terrible. You should know me well enough I'm just going to keep pressuring you until you claim or until I get 75% of the town to vote for you. If you want me off your back, all you got to do is point out how someone else is obviously mafia and you're not. I mean, all you had to do there was say "I'm not mafia, citizen is clearly mafia, look at his posts; clearly scum". And if you were somewhat serious about it I'd totally divert attention off of you since citizen is such an easy kill for the town. Here, we see Foolishness attack DTA. DTA has been acting very very weird, and I agree with Foolishness about DTA hiding something. The mafia may be scared of Foolishness because of his attacks on fellow mafia members. This points fingers to DTA. Also, Foolishness makes it clear that citi.zen is a target for lynching, and that DTA could have pointed fingers to him. + Show Spoiler +On July 20 2010 08:12 Foolishness wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2010 08:08 DarthThienAn wrote:On July 20 2010 08:05 Foolishness wrote:On July 20 2010 08:01 DarthThienAn wrote:Guys if I die tonight, then I am mafia. Death Post: + Show Spoiler + You might as well just roleclaim whatever blue role you have to the town. I mean, if the mafia don't kill you tonight they are either stupid or you are in fact mafia. If you aren't dead after night then you should be top priority for lynch. Of course, you could just actually act normal and help us out to save you a bunch of trouble. lol. Just doing my job ^^. On another note, I think Hyberbola was Godfather, so he flipped green... I mean, BM didn't officially say that he was a townie in the night post. :D:D:D I do appreciate you making it easy for all of us on who to vote for as soon as day starts. Mafia have probably sent in their hits already. Just claim now. The earlier the better. More assertiveness. Very scary for the mafia. + Show Spoiler +On July 20 2010 08:05 Foolishness wrote:You might as well just roleclaim whatever blue role you have to the town. I mean, if the mafia don't kill you tonight they are either stupid or you are in fact mafia. If you aren't dead after night then you should be top priority for lynch. Of course, you could just actually act normal and help us out to save you a bunch of trouble. More attacks on DTA. I feel that this is an important quote, considering that the mafia didn't target DTA this night. + Show Spoiler +On July 20 2010 08:02 Foolishness wrote:
The ordered by player list doesn't help for anything.
The only thing that's useful out of these lists is tracking the changes of who was ahead in the voting and how they got ahead. For instance, youngminii was ahead in votes at some point (I believe), looking at who were the people that pushed Hyperbola over is what's important. You also need the timestamps of when these votes happen, in order to confirm if there was a mafia pushover.
It's been said before, mafia spread out their votes as much as possible. I wouldn't be surprised if there was only 1 mafia in the votes for youngminii and hyperbola combined. The only exception to this is if a mafia was about to be lynched, as the team would try to save that person. That's what we need to look out for. People already talked about this. That means we are on the right track. ##Vote: DarthThienAn because of his weird behavior and bring confusion. If he is a blue role or a townie, then he will need to defend himself in order to actually help the town. If he is a mafia, good. Cool! You gave a whole bunch of Information Instead of Analysis![badtownplay] Oh hey guys, here's a bunch of stuff that was said about/by DTA and since I quoted it, you should trust me in that it points to him being mafia![/badtownplay] Show nested quote +Let's not let this get lost in the shuffle. Red or confused green, I don't think BrownBear is much of a threat right now.
From what I gather, DarthTheinAn is usually a pretty high profile player (won mayor two games ago). This game he is playing obstinate/quiet.
When DTA was red mayor two games ago, "Darth was also an excellent mafia player, managing to sweep his way into office on day 1, but he did overstep his boundaries just a little bit on the last day, and his position as mayor actually worked against him as he was under intense scrutiny, which led to his downfall." Source for that is BrownBear, btw, so... take that into account however you will. But it seems to me if DTA was red this game he'd be trying to take a lower profile this time around. So you're saying someone that is as good as DTA (you're all making him out to be quite good, I'm not too sure how good he is), is bad enough to completely swap their playing style after their original style worked bar one or two mistakes? You really think he'd go from one extreme to the other as scum to 'avoid' suspicion? That's like the total opposite of what would happen (case in point: it's happening right now). Oh yeah, intuition is awesome. We should always rely on our intuition to win us this game of analysis. I mean, clearly your intuition was correct about Foolishness being blue/red. Again, you're saying just because DTA is taking a low profile that he's scum. You can't just say "he's playing different, scum!" WHY does playing different make him scum, WHY does playing the total extreme of the way he played before make him scum. What about real life issues? What about the fact that he would be responding to these accusations if he really was mafia and was simply lurking?Show nested quote +Now you may think that it is too obvious for the mafia to kill off someone who publicly calls them out. It's not. It's good strategy. In fact, I myself killed off Foolishness in a game I won because he was one of the few suspicious of me. If someone suspects you, they won't magically think you're innocent if you let them survive the night. People's heuristics for determining who they will vote for don't tend to shift too wildly over the course of a game. Even if people make a mistaken vote early, they will tend to justify it ex post facto and perhaps continue it (maybe what I'm doing here, but I think I have some good logic to back up my gut feeling). If you are mafia, and a member is getting 3rd/4th place in votes, even with just a couple, that member could be in 1st a few days later. By killing off the people who are suspicious of you, even if their reasons suck, you get talked about less and you literally shave off your vote total. It's not too bad of a strategy to just play whack-a-mole going after all your public detractors because you can always just say you're getting framed. I've been there, done that. Cause and effect. Just because Foolishness was pointing at DTA doesn't mean that it's why he died. I mean, it COULD be but the way you're selling it is as if it's the absolute truth. Show nested quote +EXECUTIVE SUMMARY / THE THREATDOWN / TLDR CENTRAL
DarthTheinAn
1. Never defends himself with logic
2. Responded to Foolishness with a distorted counter attack and no refutation.
3. Blatantly ignores legitimate criticism to snark at strawmen instead.
4. Talks often, but without contributing anything new and useful.
5. Changes his vote often, usually without explanation.
6. Constantly "pretends" to be mafia. No red would ever be so daring!
7. Doesn't do shit all else.
8. Is supposedly capable of much better than this. That's just complete bullshit. I don't even know how the fuck you had the balls to come up with that list that completely condemns DTA and criticizes his play. You're assuming he's some horrible player and basing his scum play based on this assumption, when the general consensus is that DTA is a good player. But hey, I don't mind if you lynch him. As you guys have said, he hasn't been very helpful this game. I mean hell, if he's blue/green it only buys me credibility which is needed for the late game.
On July 22 2010 14:54 youngminii wrote:
I dunno I feel as if I'll get NK'd tonight. My spidey senses are tingling.
On July 22 2010 14:58 youngminii wrote:
Don't want to bring back the useless debate, ignoring your post.
On July 24 2010 07:24 youngminii wrote:
Sup.
##Vote chaoser
On July 24 2010 09:51 youngminii wrote:
Oh and I guess I forgot to mention:
Chaoser joins infundilbusxum in his accusation against me (during the spam/flame war). Notice how chaoser never actually fully accused me by himself even though I was so against him? He's too careful to try and start something against me because that would give him even more negative light when I don't flip red. But with his mate at his side and my gaining a bad image from my 'anger', he takes the opportunity to cause me some trouble. On July 24 2010 10:35 youngminii wrote:Sup. I'd like to know, when have I been wrong  The time when I said hyperbola was town? Or DTA was town? Or that you were spreading around PMs saying to lynch Subversion and that I was linked to Subversion? Oh yeah, I can see how wrong I was.
That’s a small sample of young’s 8 pages of frigging spam.
To give you a general idea as a summary, whenever someone FoS him, he attacks back in a vengence, he spams, FoS many many players (some groundless some he just jumps on whatever they post), he has been aggressive, derails, and even after we tried to move day 2’s terribleness behind us he jumped on the lets kill chaoser boat again. He has used a bunch of WIFOM as his defense, dodged some questions others not. Overall hes a genius mafia, or a player so disruptive its making the town lose track.
Now, we have options.
Southrawrea seems like a good hinge bet based on his posting style, as does bumatlarge who fits for other good reasons. Young if nothing else is a fallback if we can’t agree on anyone else as offing someone who is aggravating to read or makes playing the game unenjoyable for others gives the mafia an advantage that (if hes town) the town can’t afford.
I would advise everyone to go back and look at these players posts, ones I have sampled, and more if you want a broader pool, and come to your own conclusions. Once you have done so we can discuss who we believe would be the best option for the days lynch and get this underway properly rather than doing it the long/hard way as day 2 showed was the wrong approach. If anyone has any questions, or wants me to expand upon anything feel free to ask, as I am more than happy to do so,
With all this in mind I am going to start it off by voting for southrawrea and if the concensus for the town is that we want to off one of the other two, I am fine with that as well. However, I will not be voting for any other target at this junction unless someone can come up with a clear argument as opposed to the mess that we have already experienced.
##vote Southrawrea
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