TL Mafia XXVIII - Page 90

On July 24 2010 11:53 Divinek wrote:
im just excited waiting for bcs long post

though there are a few inactive fucks that post like once a day whom we should really be putting into the spot light (IM LOOKING AT YOU BUM)

instead of the people we've constantly been talking about

On July 24 2010 12:00 youngminii wrote:

I just love how you point fingers without any evidence and try and get on everyone's good side (PMing people, sucking up to BC). You don't even respond to my analysis and just say "spammer bad scum that's always wrong". Great play.

On July 24 2010 12:05 citi.zen wrote:
Ok, let's blow this taco stand.

I am a mad hatter. I am part of a dt circle. I would love to help the two dt's connect. Here's how we can do it:

1. Wait to see if there is a counter claim against me and Tricode, since together we should account for the 2 town Kp roles. If there isn't, we are both confirmed. If there is, we have a red player.
2. The other dt asks a confirmed person they checked to contact me. If more than one person comes forward I will ask the dt to claim. This way, if the mafia decide to fake claim we have two reds, not just one.
3. The two DTs, remaining publicly anonymous, are in contact. We give ourselves a chance to win.

On July 24 2010 09:48 youngminii wrote:
My case on Chaoser.

[spoiler]
Let us delve into the mind of scum. The pattern for a normal, general scum that doesn't go out of his way to do anything out of the ordinary is quite simple. Lay low on the first day or two and slowly come out with accusations. Be very careful of jumping on bandwagons as it may arouse suspicion. Rather than openly coming out and making a case on someone on the first day/two, try to find someone that is making a fool of themselves and make a small case to see if it gains momentum. I think we can all agree that this is a standard way of playing as scum, keeps the suspicion low while still contributing information.

Now let us look at chaoser's early game. One of his first posts is to abstain. This vote does not change for the entire day. Fits perfectly in line with my 'lay low' theory, especially (as the wonderful Pandain pointed out) as chaoser was so against my 'no lynch' strategy. One would have to wonder why he didn't simply vote for someone if he was so against it. He raises the counter argument that voting to abstain is different from voting to no lynch, which is a moot point in my opinion really.

Cool, chaoser wants information from voting lists on the first day. In fact, he even points this out to the public. So why does he not vote for anyone? Oh right, abstaining doesn't label you as 'against' someone. Good stuff in my opinion, I'd probably do it too if I was scum.

So up until early Day 2, chaoser continues to bring in a wealth of information (such as the voting history of certain people etc.) but doesn't actually accuse anyone. All he does is make some accusatory comment that doesn't really have any flair to it. See below.

chaoser to BB:

So early on in Day 2, after a small group of people (Divinek, DTA and Amber[light]) already vote for BB, chaoser joins in and mounts a small case against BB.

After a page or two a LOT of people jump on the bandwagon. It's uncanny. Chaoser realises that if BB is lynched and he flips town then things will look bad for him, so he switches his vote to Subversion, another bandwagon being formed at the time. It's funny, after using that argument against BB he immediately switches to Subversion after seeing the possibility that he might be labeled as mafia (note: someone actually said that the '3rd/4th person on the bandwagon tends to be mafia' and could have affected chaoser's thoughts). The argument he uses against Subversion is one that has already gained traction from BC/Protractinium and so it's easy to ride with.

Pandain then mounts an argument against chaoser, who responds by responding to each and every point. I believe they continue this argument via PM and sort it out there and Pandain drops his case on chaoser (I attribute this to Pandain being new to this game and not being very good at picking out lies/deceit etc.). Anyway, what does chaoser do now? Of course, he abstains. Oh, the joy of not really voting for anyone.

A common trait of mafia is that they won't contribute too much in the accusations etc. early on. They will however, try and 'appear' to be useful by posting stuff that doesn't really cause them any risk in any way (ie. pointing at someone of being scum). They will often side with someone else or pick on a player that seems to be causing a ruckus which won't be seen as suspicious. In addition to this, scum will go to great lengths to defend themselves. Think about it (directed at newer players), if you are scum you are much more willing to come back to this thread and try to shake off any accusations against you. This is why RVS is quite helpful in smaller games. Often scum will 'lurk' meaning they'll browse around, read everything but won't post too much in order to stay under the radar. However, accusing them and voting for them will force them to come out and defend themselves profusely. We can see this in DTA, he was town and everyone started voting for him. He didn't reply in the thread for a looooooong time (I actually pointed this out but I was ignored /yay), indicating that he was in fact, not lurking but actually AWOL, which is a townie trait.

Chaoser falls into the above mafia category. He immediately comes out of his 'useful/informative' shell and starts defending himself a LOT. His posts start becoming a lot of the 'discussion' going on. This continues for a long time, only defending himself and never accusing anyone asides from the occasional "your arguments are weak, why are you trying to get me lynched so bad? Are you scum?" type of argument. Now it's actually really painful to go through skimming page by page but the general trend I see right now is that a lot of people start jumping on the chaoser bandwagon. It's funny, he votes for DTA because he's getting a lot of votes for him. He then states:

Look at this from a scum perspective. He knows DTA is town. He knows that if DTA is lynched then he'll get an even worse image than before. So what does he do? He tries to side with DTA to lynch someone else that already has a lot of people voting for him. This is actually a good play by mafia as he had already taken the side of voting for Subversion earlier so if questioned, he could retaliate by saying "I already had my suspicions on Subversion before!"

+ Show Spoiler +

Blah blah DTA ends up getting lynched (one of the final votes by chaoser, although it could be argued that he did it to save himself) and ends up flipping town.

I know I've always been wary of chaoser but I'd like everyone to read my analysis of him. I'm not going to analyse Night 3 'cause that was just a big spam fest and lots of people probably have an ill image of me now. I'd just like you all to trust me for once (I was right on hyperbola/DTA even though it doesn't mean anything, yes I know) and vote for chaoser. I would also like to mention that I believe infundlibsuvxkum and chaoser are linked but that discussion can be saved for another time.[spoiler]

On July 24 2010 11:04 Bill Murray wrote:
d3, you voted for two people in the same post when there is a single lynch today, pick one, or i will pick one for you.

siniquity, see the above post where you may not vote for double lynch without voting abstain.

On July 24 2010 12:24 youngminii wrote:
ebwop directed @ bum

On July 24 2010 12:05 citi.zen wrote:
Ok, let's blow this taco stand.

I am a mad hatter. I am part of a dt circle. I would love to help the two dt's connect. Here's how we can do it:

1. Wait to see if there is a counter claim against me and Tricode, since together we should account for the 2 town Kp roles. If there isn't, we are both confirmed. If there is, we have a red player.
2. The other dt asks a confirmed person they checked to contact me. If more than one person comes forward I will ask the dt to claim. This way, if the mafia decide to fake claim we have two reds, not just one.
3. The two DTs, remaining publicly anonymous, are in contact. We give ourselves a chance to win.

On July 24 2010 12:33 zeks wrote:
citi.zen is win?

On July 24 2010 12:27 d3_crescentia wrote:

oh so for some reason I thought double lynch had passed for today and not for tomorrow

##vote: abstain

On July 24 2010 12:33 tree.hugger wrote:

If there are 13 votes for abstaining, then we accidentally end the day, correct? Please don't vote at all, or throw your placeholder vote on someone who is not going to carry the day in the end.

For example, I'll add to the double lynch.
##Vote Xelin (Haha, where has he been?)
## Vote Double Lynch

On July 24 2010 12:23 bumatlarge wrote:


Oh boo hoo mr 'i just criticize what everyone says alot so i dont have to come up with anything'. if Im so suspicious, why dont you vote for me. Is it because you dont want to put yourself in the spotlight. Helpful advice, even when if you managed to bandwagon against someone with a relatively small initiate paragraph of complete incrimination on someone and they get lynched and people point at you, you will still manage to get away with it because you did that, and DTs wont even check you for it. Im going to have to try that when I get mafia. Meanwhile I am going to go to sleep on my couch and watch TV as I wait til the morning sun 2 days from now. Must be a lame ass planet that liquidville lives on to have 48 hours of light and 24 hours of night. How could you even compensate? I bet they live on tatooine or something

On July 24 2010 12:33 tree.hugger wrote:

If there are 13 votes for abstaining, then we accidentally end the day, correct? Please don't vote at all, or throw your placeholder vote on someone who is not going to carry the day in the end.

For example, I'll add to the double lynch.
##Vote Xelin (Haha, where has he been?)
## Vote Double Lynch

If there are 13 votes for abstaining, then we accidentally end the day, correct? Please don't vote at all, or throw your placeholder vote on someone who is not going to carry the day in the end.

On July 24 2010 12:05 citi.zen wrote:
Ok, let's blow this taco stand.

I am a mad hatter. I am part of a dt circle. I would love to help the two dt's connect. Here's how we can do it:

1. Wait to see if there is a counter claim against me and Tricode, since together we should account for the 2 town Kp roles. If there isn't, we are both confirmed. If there is, we have a red player.
2. The other dt asks a confirmed person they checked to contact me. If more than one person comes forward I will ask the dt to claim. This way, if the mafia decide to fake claim we have two reds, not just one.
3. The two DTs, remaining publicly anonymous, are in contact. We give ourselves a chance to win.