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On July 24 2010 11:53 Divinek wrote: im just excited waiting for bcs long post
though there are a few inactive fucks that post like once a day whom we should really be putting into the spot light (IM LOOKING AT YOU BUM)
instead of the people we've constantly been talking about
Oh boo hoo mr 'i just criticize what everyone says alot so i dont have to come up with anything'. if Im so suspicious, why dont you vote for me. Is it because you dont want to put yourself in the spotlight. Helpful advice, even when if you managed to bandwagon against someone with a relatively small initiate paragraph of complete incrimination on someone and they get lynched and people point at you, you will still manage to get away with it because you did that, and DTs wont even check you for it. Im going to have to try that when I get mafia. Meanwhile I am going to go to sleep on my couch and watch TV as I wait til the morning sun 2 days from now. Must be a lame ass planet that liquidville lives on to have 48 hours of light and 24 hours of night. How could you even compensate? I bet they live on tatooine or something
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On July 24 2010 12:00 youngminii wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2010 11:41 tree.hugger wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On July 24 2010 11:04 Tricode wrote: ##vote Abstain
Place holder.
I want to see what everyone says before I place my vote. And what is the point of abstaining? Abstaining doesn't do squat. Why post at all? Why not just not post and not vote? If everyone abstained all the time, then we wouldn't get anything done. Are people ever 100% sure that other people are mafia? Of course not! But you still have to vote anyway. You've abstained two straight days. If the mafia has influenced any of our votes (oh wait, they've all been close, the mafia has literally been at liberty to pick the people they want dead) then you are pretty much the most responsible person. Are you going to vote this time? And what the hell do you mean that you're going to wait to see what people say? You said, back on page 82 that: On July 23 2010 16:24 Tricode wrote: When you guys do kill me to prove what I am saying, I will be honest, I tried reading this thread but it is hard with flame wars and ridiculous claims and finger pointing.
You hate reading the thread. But furthermore, you, through your actions of last night, have essentially become one of the town's most valuable resources. If you took any kind of initiative, you could help the town organize. Set an example and start posting constructively. Use your position as the game's most confirmed player to get people together, and forming a better circle. Don't just abstain and sit back. We've had two people survive hits, and one outted Day Vigi, and there's not even the hint that the town has an effective circle together. We're literally playing against one of the worst mafia openings in recent memory, and we're not getting anywhere, thanks primarily to you. (and Pandain, but he can't help it) Get your act together, and play, or be subbed out for someone who will. I just love how you point fingers without any evidence and try and get on everyone's good side (PMing people, sucking up to BC). You don't even respond to my analysis and just say "spammer bad scum that's always wrong". Great play. Woah woah woah. That post wasn't even towards you? What's your problem anyway with thinking that everyone is talking about you 24/7?
Your analysis? You're trying to bandwagon chaoser, now right? Old hat, even if chaoser is mafia, which I doubt, seeing as how his bandwagon was made of the same flimsy stuff that Hyperbola's was made out of. We have bigger fish to fry, and I long ago gave up on your ability to post constructively. I figured that ignoring you was enough, but the way you purposely misspell infundibulum's name is just petty, and doesn't belong in this game, and I recommend you take a long meditative retreat in Dharamshala when this is over, it'd teach you to be a nicer person, and stop thinking about yourself all the time.
I PM people because this game allows them, and they're a great way for discussing things privately with people. Nothing untoward about that. And where did I 'suck up to BC'? Please. I called him out a few pages ago for posting nothing of value, and not being of help to the town. I welcome the change in his play.
As do I welcome this change:
On July 24 2010 12:05 citi.zen wrote: Ok, let's blow this taco stand.
I am a mad hatter. I am part of a dt circle. I would love to help the two dt's connect. Here's how we can do it:
1. Wait to see if there is a counter claim against me and Tricode, since together we should account for the 2 town Kp roles. If there isn't, we are both confirmed. If there is, we have a red player. 2. The other dt asks a confirmed person they checked to contact me. If more than one person comes forward I will ask the dt to claim. This way, if the mafia decide to fake claim we have two reds, not just one. 3. The two DTs, remaining publicly anonymous, are in contact. We give ourselves a chance to win.
If there is no counter-claim, say, in 24 hours, (that's the day with 12 hours remaining) I think the other DT should go ahead and do this. That said, if there is another vet or mad hatter, you'd better pick someone you trust and roleclaim to them, or else we're all screwed.
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^ How is my flame war a few pages back worse than this?
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Oh wow nice, you are a fucking DT magnet citizen.
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On July 24 2010 09:48 youngminii wrote:My case on Chaoser.[spoiler] Let us delve into the mind of scum. The pattern for a normal, general scum that doesn't go out of his way to do anything out of the ordinary is quite simple. Lay low on the first day or two and slowly come out with accusations. Be very careful of jumping on bandwagons as it may arouse suspicion. Rather than openly coming out and making a case on someone on the first day/two, try to find someone that is making a fool of themselves and make a small case to see if it gains momentum. I think we can all agree that this is a standard way of playing as scum, keeps the suspicion low while still contributing information. Now let us look at chaoser's early game. One of his first posts is to abstain. This vote does not change for the entire day. Fits perfectly in line with my 'lay low' theory, especially (as the wonderful Pandain pointed out) as chaoser was so against my 'no lynch' strategy. One would have to wonder why he didn't simply vote for someone if he was so against it. He raises the counter argument that voting to abstain is different from voting to no lynch, which is a moot point in my opinion really. Show nested quote +I think it's less about the days and more about the fact that we get tons of information from looking at vote lists Cool, chaoser wants information from voting lists on the first day. In fact, he even points this out to the public. So why does he not vote for anyone? Oh right, abstaining doesn't label you as 'against' someone. Good stuff in my opinion, I'd probably do it too if I was scum. So up until early Day 2, chaoser continues to bring in a wealth of information (such as the voting history of certain people etc.) but doesn't actually accuse anyone. All he does is make some accusatory comment that doesn't really have any flair to it. See below. chaoser to BB: Show nested quote +So basically you just said: "lawl, i messed up/made a mistake but oh well, not going to change." Anyone else find that suspicious? So early on in Day 2, after a small group of people (Divinek, DTA and Amber[light]) already vote for BB, chaoser joins in and mounts a small case against BB. Show nested quote ++ Show Spoiler +And to be truthful, I don;t really believe that BrownBear is townie just from the way he's posting. For the first day he pretty much posts nothing and bandwagons with no real reason. When people point him out of it (that he voted before reading) he goes oh well, it doesn't matter now when it CLEARLY did, the vote ended 6-5. Then, after a whole DAY of people pointing fingers at him he decides to come in and post about vets claiming and basically giving horrible advice. I'm inclined to say he's mafia who fucked up the first day and now he's trying to play dumb townie. Also, his whole ramble about claiming is pushing us off the topic of Subversion's suspicious vote as well as his little statement about how mafia isn't really making mistakes.
I'm not 100% clear on my vote yet but I'm watching BrownBear for now. And I also think we should vote double lynch. It's going to be 52 hours till the next lynch give or take, you guys don't think we'll have more than enough information then? After a page or two a LOT of people jump on the bandwagon. It's uncanny. Chaoser realises that if BB is lynched and he flips town then things will look bad for him, so he switches his vote to Subversion, another bandwagon being formed at the time. It's funny, after using that argument against BB he immediately switches to Subversion after seeing the possibility that he might be labeled as mafia (note: someone actually said that the '3rd/4th person on the bandwagon tends to be mafia' and could have affected chaoser's thoughts). The argument he uses against Subversion is one that has already gained traction from BC/Protractinium and so it's easy to ride with. Pandain then mounts an argument against chaoser, who responds by responding to each and every point. I believe they continue this argument via PM and sort it out there and Pandain drops his case on chaoser (I attribute this to Pandain being new to this game and not being very good at picking out lies/deceit etc.). Anyway, what does chaoser do now? Of course, he abstains. Oh, the joy of not really voting for anyone. A common trait of mafia is that they won't contribute too much in the accusations etc. early on. They will however, try and 'appear' to be useful by posting stuff that doesn't really cause them any risk in any way (ie. pointing at someone of being scum). They will often side with someone else or pick on a player that seems to be causing a ruckus which won't be seen as suspicious. In addition to this, scum will go to great lengths to defend themselves. Think about it (directed at newer players), if you are scum you are much more willing to come back to this thread and try to shake off any accusations against you. This is why RVS is quite helpful in smaller games. Often scum will 'lurk' meaning they'll browse around, read everything but won't post too much in order to stay under the radar. However, accusing them and voting for them will force them to come out and defend themselves profusely. We can see this in DTA, he was town and everyone started voting for him. He didn't reply in the thread for a looooooong time (I actually pointed this out but I was ignored /yay), indicating that he was in fact, not lurking but actually AWOL, which is a townie trait. Chaoser falls into the above mafia category. He immediately comes out of his 'useful/informative' shell and starts defending himself a LOT. His posts start becoming a lot of the 'discussion' going on. This continues for a long time, only defending himself and never accusing anyone asides from the occasional "your arguments are weak, why are you trying to get me lynched so bad? Are you scum?" type of argument. Now it's actually really painful to go through skimming page by page but the general trend I see right now is that a lot of people start jumping on the chaoser bandwagon. It's funny, he votes for DTA because he's getting a lot of votes for him. He then states: Show nested quote +From reading this, I'll change my vote to Subversion even though that means I'll 100% die.
Darth, if you wanna help me, you could switch it over too and I think he'll be first.
##unvote ##vote Subversion Look at this from a scum perspective. He knows DTA is town. He knows that if DTA is lynched then he'll get an even worse image than before. So what does he do? He tries to side with DTA to lynch someone else that already has a lot of people voting for him. This is actually a good play by mafia as he had already taken the side of voting for Subversion earlier so if questioned, he could retaliate by saying "I already had my suspicions on Subversion before!" + Show Spoiler +On an unrelated side note, I find it funny how people are so quick to link me to Subversion (tree.hugger especially) because I defended him a bit whilst nobody links me to DTA's town and Hyperbola's town when I actually gave them proper defenses. Quite ridiculous imo. Blah blah DTA ends up getting lynched (one of the final votes by chaoser, although it could be argued that he did it to save himself) and ends up flipping town. I know I've always been wary of chaoser but I'd like everyone to read my analysis of him. I'm not going to analyse Night 3 'cause that was just a big spam fest and lots of people probably have an ill image of me now. I'd just like you all to trust me for once (I was right on hyperbola/DTA even though it doesn't mean anything, yes I know) and vote for chaoser. I would also like to mention that I believe infundlibsuvxkum and chaoser are linked but that discussion can be saved for another time.[spoiler] Going to repost this because tree.hugger seems to believe he's above certain players.
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On July 24 2010 11:04 Bill Murray wrote: d3, you voted for two people in the same post when there is a single lynch today, pick one, or i will pick one for you.
siniquity, see the above post where you may not vote for double lynch without voting abstain. oh so for some reason I thought double lynch had passed for today and not for tomorrow
##vote: abstain
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On July 24 2010 12:24 youngminii wrote: ebwop directed @ bum + Show Spoiler +
Maybe if you mass PM everyone you're ideas you will be above certain players too my youngmini
##Unvote Southlight ##Vote tree.hugger
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On July 24 2010 12:05 citi.zen wrote: Ok, let's blow this taco stand.
I am a mad hatter. I am part of a dt circle. I would love to help the two dt's connect. Here's how we can do it:
1. Wait to see if there is a counter claim against me and Tricode, since together we should account for the 2 town Kp roles. If there isn't, we are both confirmed. If there is, we have a red player. 2. The other dt asks a confirmed person they checked to contact me. If more than one person comes forward I will ask the dt to claim. This way, if the mafia decide to fake claim we have two reds, not just one. 3. The two DTs, remaining publicly anonymous, are in contact. We give ourselves a chance to win. Well shit on a shit sandwich, we might actually be going somewhere.
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On July 24 2010 12:33 zeks wrote: citi.zen is win? citi.win
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On July 24 2010 12:27 d3_crescentia wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2010 11:04 Bill Murray wrote: d3, you voted for two people in the same post when there is a single lynch today, pick one, or i will pick one for you.
siniquity, see the above post where you may not vote for double lynch without voting abstain. oh so for some reason I thought double lynch had passed for today and not for tomorrow ##vote: abstain If there are 13 votes for abstaining, then we accidentally end the day, correct? Please don't vote at all, or throw your placeholder vote on someone who is not going to carry the day in the end.
For example, I'll add to the double lynch. ##Vote Xelin (Haha, where has he been?) ## Vote Double Lynch
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On July 24 2010 12:33 tree.hugger wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2010 12:27 d3_crescentia wrote:On July 24 2010 11:04 Bill Murray wrote: d3, you voted for two people in the same post when there is a single lynch today, pick one, or i will pick one for you.
siniquity, see the above post where you may not vote for double lynch without voting abstain. oh so for some reason I thought double lynch had passed for today and not for tomorrow ##vote: abstain If there are 13 votes for abstaining, then we accidentally end the day, correct? Please don't vote at all, or throw your placeholder vote on someone who is not going to carry the day in the end. For example, I'll add to the double lynch. ##Vote Xelin (Haha, where has he been?) ## Vote Double Lynch oh I guess this IS a majority lynch game as well
##vote: ~opz~
sorry, it's been a long-ass day
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FREEAGLELAND26780 Posts
I'm wondering where the hell majority lynch came from.
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nice catch treehugger
##vote: Xelin for inactivity (placeholder)
absolutely necessary that we kill someone today
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On July 24 2010 12:23 bumatlarge wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2010 11:53 Divinek wrote: im just excited waiting for bcs long post
though there are a few inactive fucks that post like once a day whom we should really be putting into the spot light (IM LOOKING AT YOU BUM)
instead of the people we've constantly been talking about Oh boo hoo mr 'i just criticize what everyone says alot so i dont have to come up with anything'. if Im so suspicious, why dont you vote for me. Is it because you dont want to put yourself in the spotlight. Helpful advice, even when if you managed to bandwagon against someone with a relatively small initiate paragraph of complete incrimination on someone and they get lynched and people point at you, you will still manage to get away with it because you did that, and DTs wont even check you for it. Im going to have to try that when I get mafia. Meanwhile I am going to go to sleep on my couch and watch TV as I wait til the morning sun 2 days from now. Must be a lame ass planet that liquidville lives on to have 48 hours of light and 24 hours of night. How could you even compensate? I bet they live on tatooine or something
at least i got you to post, though it didnt say much except flaming me for a previous game lol
i don't vote for you yet cuz i dont wanna, that and apparently if we're going for a double lynch that has to go with your vote and once majority hits day ends i think? so im holding off on voting
that and there are most likely better inactive fucks to bring into the spot light than you sir, i just though id be explicit about you initially since you love me so much ![](/mirror/smilies/smile.gif)
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On July 24 2010 12:33 tree.hugger wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2010 12:27 d3_crescentia wrote:On July 24 2010 11:04 Bill Murray wrote: d3, you voted for two people in the same post when there is a single lynch today, pick one, or i will pick one for you.
siniquity, see the above post where you may not vote for double lynch without voting abstain. oh so for some reason I thought double lynch had passed for today and not for tomorrow ##vote: abstain If there are 13 votes for abstaining, then we accidentally end the day, correct? Please don't vote at all, or throw your placeholder vote on someone who is not going to carry the day in the end. For example, I'll add to the double lynch. ##Vote Xelin (Haha, where has he been?) ## Vote Double Lynch I SUGGESTED XELIN BEFORE
POO ON ALL YOU
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Got back home at midnight and read the thread (almost two now ).
It looks like things are finally going town's way. I'm sure by this point Tricode is pretty much confirmed townie. However, just in case my vote screws something up I'll be voting for protactinium due to this:
If there are 13 votes for abstaining, then we accidentally end the day, correct? Please don't vote at all, or throw your placeholder vote on someone who is not going to carry the day in the end.
I'm absolutely sure noone will vote for him since he's been so helpful thus far. ##vote: protractium ##vote: double lynch
Again, my life has entered a shit storm and this may very well be the last post I make in around two weeks. To help BM with his search (in case any spectators missed it) Looking for someone to take my spot
Good luck town
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Citi.zen in action lmao, first time seeing it. What a boss.
Come forth brethren and lynch chaoser!
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On July 24 2010 12:05 citi.zen wrote: Ok, let's blow this taco stand.
I am a mad hatter. I am part of a dt circle. I would love to help the two dt's connect. Here's how we can do it:
1. Wait to see if there is a counter claim against me and Tricode, since together we should account for the 2 town Kp roles. If there isn't, we are both confirmed. If there is, we have a red player. 2. The other dt asks a confirmed person they checked to contact me. If more than one person comes forward I will ask the dt to claim. This way, if the mafia decide to fake claim we have two reds, not just one. 3. The two DTs, remaining publicly anonymous, are in contact. We give ourselves a chance to win. People like spam and I want this to be easy to find.
Also: if there is no counter-claim by tomorrow it would be wise for all blues to RC to me. Would a shame to lynch / investigate / bomb the wrong person. Thanks.
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