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On July 21 2010 00:32 zeks wrote:
you're right i guess we don't know for sure.
but I think its highly unlikely for mafia to bank on the fact that both medics dont know what the other one did to claim a hit just on the fact that its so risky.
not saying d3 is clear 100% but i just think scum would be kinda dumb to pull something like that so early
I am clear 100%; you just don't know it yet. On the other hand, are YOU clear 100%? Let's find out, one way or another.
On July 21 2010 00:35 citi.zen wrote:
Which reminds me - what happened to BC?
What, indeed?
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On July 20 2010 14:37 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2010 14:31 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
Okay, so someone survived a hit last night. Should the medic and victim claim to each other? Alternatively, should the veteran role claim? I know we've had vets role claim after being hit in the past, but it does give the mafia more info that could help them plan out further hits.
Oh, also I suppose the mafia might have really really wanted Foolishness dead and put two hits on him. Or only sent in one hit but I don't think any team would ever agree to that unless it was led by the dark triumvirate of oczec darth and chezinu. And even then darth already admitted he wants as much blood to spill as possible. well according to day post, both the victim and the medic get a PM from the mod so claiming to each other should be safe unless i'm missing some obvious hole here in my tired state. If a vet was hit, he should NOT role claim imo, as i think it gives away too much info (the mafia don't know if it was a med protect or a vet) I think you're right that a double stack is really unlikely. If nobody steps forward to claim the 2nd hit, then it is possible i guess. Whoever took the 2nd hit needs to state it publicly in the thread. The mafia already knows who they hit; there is no disadvantage and the town benefits from this info.
If mafia double stacked, one of them would step forward and claim they took a hit. Why? Because it would virtually confirm one of them....but lets ignore that. Mafia never do that.
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On July 20 2010 22:15 Amber[LighT] wrote:
Why is it that all of a sudden d3 claims he was protected and BrownBear becomes the official 'active' townie with all of this great insight.
Up until about 12 hours ago (last time I checked the thread) he was nowhere to be found, and now that 1 person gave him something to run with, he's invaded about 2/3's of the last 2 pages with nonsense analysis about d3. What's even worse is that he wants our "other" veteran to roleclaim.
ATTN OTHER VETERAN: DO NOT ROLECLAIM!!!!
The goal of the veteran, as stated numerous times, is to be the meatshield. His vote is only worth 1, regardless of how long he is left in the game. His job is to soak damage up from night kills. By outing our veterans, we are pretty much giving the mafia enough information to say "don't hit these players." I'm against that plan completely, and I'm against BrownBear.
Hopefully the DT's are working their magic from last night and getting in contact with the players they checked. The DT role is pretty black/white and very strong in this game, so we need to keep those guys alive. The DT's should form their own circles and use the players they checked as voice-boxes. The players who have been checked should, UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES, reveal to any other player who the DT is unless they are verified. The only way the DT circles should combine is if AND ONLY IF by chance a DT checks another DT. Please be smart about this guys.
I'm sticking with the opinion of the previous night to lynch the most useless player:
##Vote: BrownBear
I'll consider changing my vote if some of the more 'influential players' have a better suggestion.
-_-
You said everything I was about to say...Glad I read to end of thread. Another job interview today guys, but I should be back.
I also don't like BrownBear's plan.
##Vote:BrownBear
Dunno where this will lead, but I'm willing to change my vote.
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On July 21 2010 00:51 d3_crescentia wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2010 00:32 zeks wrote:
you're right i guess we don't know for sure.
but I think its highly unlikely for mafia to bank on the fact that both medics dont know what the other one did to claim a hit just on the fact that its so risky.
not saying d3 is clear 100% but i just think scum would be kinda dumb to pull something like that so early I am clear 100%; you just don't know it yet. On the other hand, are YOU clear 100%? Let's find out, one way or another. Show nested quote +On July 21 2010 00:35 citi.zen wrote:
Which reminds me - what happened to BC? What, indeed?
Mafia BC likes not being paid attention to...
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On July 21 2010 01:01 ~OpZ~ wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2010 22:15 Amber[LighT] wrote:
Why is it that all of a sudden d3 claims he was protected and BrownBear becomes the official 'active' townie with all of this great insight.
Up until about 12 hours ago (last time I checked the thread) he was nowhere to be found, and now that 1 person gave him something to run with, he's invaded about 2/3's of the last 2 pages with nonsense analysis about d3. What's even worse is that he wants our "other" veteran to roleclaim.
ATTN OTHER VETERAN: DO NOT ROLECLAIM!!!!
The goal of the veteran, as stated numerous times, is to be the meatshield. His vote is only worth 1, regardless of how long he is left in the game. His job is to soak damage up from night kills. By outing our veterans, we are pretty much giving the mafia enough information to say "don't hit these players." I'm against that plan completely, and I'm against BrownBear.
Hopefully the DT's are working their magic from last night and getting in contact with the players they checked. The DT role is pretty black/white and very strong in this game, so we need to keep those guys alive. The DT's should form their own circles and use the players they checked as voice-boxes. The players who have been checked should, UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES, reveal to any other player who the DT is unless they are verified. The only way the DT circles should combine is if AND ONLY IF by chance a DT checks another DT. Please be smart about this guys.
I'm sticking with the opinion of the previous night to lynch the most useless player:
##Vote: BrownBear
I'll consider changing my vote if some of the more 'influential players' have a better suggestion. -_- You said everything I was about to say...Glad I read to end of thread. Another job interview today guys, but I should be back. I also don't like BrownBear's plan. ##Vote:BrownBearDunno where this will lead, but I'm willing to change my vote.
wtf dude where you getting all these job interviews from? Share the love... I only have about 1 month left before I'm officially unemployed 
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On July 20 2010 20:18 Jayme wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2010 15:38 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:
BrownBear i'd like to see more input from the rest of the town but i guess my sentiments on vets claiming boils to this:
1. the town wants the mafia to inadvertently waste hits on vets
2. vets claiming practically guarantees that this will not happen You have to balance the fact that you have a central confirmed townie with which to operate from. Randomly hitting a Vet is so rare as it is that I just don't see a huge benefit in keeping them hidden when one has obviously been hit...or the medic got a really lucky protection on someone. I personally like the vet claiming idea because on their own they are a pretty weak blue role.
the problems are that the vet needs to be verified by DT checks (takes at least 1 day), and there is a risk of godfather infiltration. Vet is usually a pretty safe choice for gf to claim if they don't want to claim townie.
we also need to be able to get enough info to the vet, and organize everything before he becomes enough of a threat to the mafia that they would even think about dropping 2 hits on him instead of spreading out the kills.
the other problem is the suicide bomber. if the vet ever actually becomes dangerous enough they can just blow him up.
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On July 21 2010 01:11 Amber[LighT] wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2010 01:01 ~OpZ~ wrote:On July 20 2010 22:15 Amber[LighT] wrote:
Why is it that all of a sudden d3 claims he was protected and BrownBear becomes the official 'active' townie with all of this great insight.
Up until about 12 hours ago (last time I checked the thread) he was nowhere to be found, and now that 1 person gave him something to run with, he's invaded about 2/3's of the last 2 pages with nonsense analysis about d3. What's even worse is that he wants our "other" veteran to roleclaim.
ATTN OTHER VETERAN: DO NOT ROLECLAIM!!!!
The goal of the veteran, as stated numerous times, is to be the meatshield. His vote is only worth 1, regardless of how long he is left in the game. His job is to soak damage up from night kills. By outing our veterans, we are pretty much giving the mafia enough information to say "don't hit these players." I'm against that plan completely, and I'm against BrownBear.
Hopefully the DT's are working their magic from last night and getting in contact with the players they checked. The DT role is pretty black/white and very strong in this game, so we need to keep those guys alive. The DT's should form their own circles and use the players they checked as voice-boxes. The players who have been checked should, UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES, reveal to any other player who the DT is unless they are verified. The only way the DT circles should combine is if AND ONLY IF by chance a DT checks another DT. Please be smart about this guys.
I'm sticking with the opinion of the previous night to lynch the most useless player:
##Vote: BrownBear
I'll consider changing my vote if some of the more 'influential players' have a better suggestion. -_- You said everything I was about to say...Glad I read to end of thread. Another job interview today guys, but I should be back. I also don't like BrownBear's plan. ##Vote:BrownBearDunno where this will lead, but I'm willing to change my vote. wtf dude where you getting all these job interviews from? Share the love... I only have about 1 month left before I'm officially unemployed
Same place...I got there yesterday, but the lady that processes people in didn't work. The manager didn't have my cell because I met with him personally before that and he scheduled it before looking at my application. So it got rescheduled. I got half an hour and my pants just got put in the dryer. FUUUUUUUUUUUUUU.
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vote BrownBear
The mafia are in bad shape, screwing up and only getting 1 hit night one probably has them worried. Town still has 2 medics and vets so the best thing that could happen is for them is to narrow down who the vets are. Mafia still has the suicide bomber as well so role claiming is going to remain a terrible idea until we can lynch him since he can take out the person and the medic protecting him.
Remember BrownBear was nearly modkilled but got back in time. If I was to guess it seems that BB has become too busy to play, the mafia could have decided that since he looks like he is going to be lynched, and would possibly be modkilled use him draw out any blues possible. So as was said a little above, what ever you do DON'T ROLECLAIM EVEN IF YOU ARE A VET.
If you look at the posting records, BB had a lot of people already thinking about lynching him for the inactivity and bad play day 1, after this he starts demanding roleclaims for vets, it just seems desperate.
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Sorry for my bit of inactivity yesterday, had a super late night at work (fuck you trainee’s)
Ugh, Foolishness dead, so not good. Along with the hit d3 apparently took, seems like we have to step it up a notch. First off, thank you med who prot’d d3, or thank you BM RNG for giving him vet. Regardless, thank god. Day one appeared to be a veteran player snipe night. This puts us in a rather bad spot if the trend stays.
In regards to today, I think we should focus on a few things. One being the vote lists from yesterday. I shall quote Tree hugger for convinience
On July 20 2010 03:06 tree.hugger wrote:There is are six mafia in this game. There is probably one mafia in each of these lists, but I'd also lean on citi and young being mafia candidates. Show nested quote +citi.zen (rastaban)
SiNiquity (Hyperbola)
Pandain (BC)
Infundibulum (youngminii) And probably two in this one: Show nested quote + DarthThienAn (d3_crescentia, Pyrrhuloxia, tree.hugger)
ketomai (citi.zen, lakrismamma)
Amber[LighT] (jayme, DarthThienAn),
BloodyC0bbler (~OpZ, Foolishness)
LaXerCannon (Misder, citi.zen) Mafia vote counts are usually spread across the likely candidates, as the mafia don't know who our blue's are as much as we know who they are. So there's not a lot to be gained by them in focusing on one target, at least not yet. Therefore, there's probably some mafia who voted early, (I'd lean towards those being more experienced players, but possibly not.) some mafia who voted late, and some mafia who changed their votes. I tend to suspect people who voted against each other, as personal conflict give the mafia a great excuse to make a silly vote that won't ever be held to them. I think we've seen faux conflict be manufactured that way as well. We'll see what more the hits tonight give us, but keep this day 1 voting template in mind.
Bolding the names of people who are dead/took a hit.
Based on just who was hit/died, burden would be on myself, DTA and to a degree SiNiquity.
Looks bad for the three of us, but we can move past that for the time being.
Keep in mind (much like tree hugger has mentioned) that there are 6 red, who have the ability day 1 to potentially fan the fire of a potential bandwagon, create one then disappear from it, or discretely slide into one. Means going back over posts to see who said/did what to encourage the bandwagoning.
Of the major vote lists
Hyperbola (Divinek, Pandain, SiNiquity, bumatlarge, BB, Subversion)[/quote]
YoungMinii (XeliN, Amber[LighT, Roffles, Infizzleundibulumizzle)
abstain (LaXerCannon, tricode, SouthRawrea, Chaoser, protactinium, zeks)
Stand out the most to me. The most amount of users are located on those three lists (in terms of voting for a single person/abstaining). Now, abstainers to a degree at this point could have placeholder votes or the like so that could be that. I would keep an eye on the names there and see if any overlap later on, or similarly vague judgement calls on why they voted however way they did.
Now, lets look at the other two, the primary ones that got “bandwagoned”
Hyperbola (Divinek, Pandain, SiNiquity, bumatlarge, BB, Subversion)[/quote]
YoungMinii (XeliN, Amber[LighT, Roffles, Infizzleundibulumizzle)
Of hyperbola’s end voters, divinek, pandain, and siniquity kept their votes on as they dropped them on him. BB, Bumatlarge and subversion were all late to the party.
Misder and Zeks both jumped off that wagon.
Youngminii’s bandwagon comes much later. And was only made closeish of a vote because of misder and zeks jumping off hyperbola.
To me, this suggests that zeks + misder are most likely town. Both realized how quickly the bandwagon was forming on someone based on little and left trying to stop a potential town death.
The vote train on Youngminii makes very little sense to me for day 1 as (based on last games performance) the expectation of him is quite high and consistent slip ups or mistakes will get noticed and get him killed. This makes me think that this was fueled by mafia, or people not paying attention to the thread. I would keep an eye on the 5 names on this vote list.
TLDR version of that all is, people should keep an eye primarily on youngminii’s list as it seems more artificially created. Mafia benefits more from his death if he flips town than if hyperbola would.
Zeks and Misder I am inclined to think are town based on their actions (although late), and people overall should watch the names on the three lists I mentioned (hyperbola, youngminii, and abstain list) to watch for common patterns among voters.
Next step.
We need to figure out a way to use last nights miss shoot to our advantage. DT’s over the course of the next 2-4 days should try to narrow down potential reds by looking over the thread and figuring out who would best benefit from the this on foolishness/d3. If you opt for another way to check, use the vote lists provided above as they will give you a good idea of who to track/follow on your checks.
Build a spreadsheet, narrow down your checked/unchecked names and fill in roles when people die. Play the stats game.
However, do not rush in to check d3. If you want to do this, RNG a day within the next 1-4 nights and check then. Anything else encourages the suicide bomber to rush in and off multiple blues. Play it smart.
Medics, I have very little experience in your position so I have little idea of how to properly utilize your role. My only advise is this. Mafia are unable to hit their own people. If you did successfully block a hit, whoever you prot’d is confirmed town. Utilize this. Note: if there is an extra hit in a night, or a vig claims, don’t consider person cleared till who fired what shot is confirmed as vig shots could hit a mafia member (and medic blocks it). All mafia hits blocked however confirm town aligned players.
Vet’s. You have two real options. Make yourself a target for hits, or sit back and hope to soak a hit. Mass claiming in this format, or if nothing else, this early does not benefit the town. Until the suicide bomber is dead, town cannot safely roleclaim as the risk of multiple blues dying is too high (dts confirming said head of circle, med proting, or the like).
Town has a huge advantage in this style with meds and dt’s able to confirm people.
Factor in that once vets can be proved later on in the game, they are excellent voices for dts, meds, or the like.
For now, we have to go over the vote lists, find out someone who seems to have
a) fueled the bandwagons day 1
b) would benefit the most from foolishness / d3 being hit
We can easily win this if we think intelligently. I will look more heavily over the vote lists / posts to get an idea of who to vote for after my shift this afternoon (get home after 7pm pst) and will start looking then.
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On July 21 2010 00:32 zeks wrote:
you're right i guess we don't know for sure.
but I think its highly unlikely for mafia to bank on the fact that both medics dont know what the other one did to claim a hit just on the fact that its so risky.
not saying d3 is clear 100% but i just think scum would be kinda dumb to pull something like that so early
If a medic prot'd him, he is 100% confirmed.
If he is a vet (rolecheck at some random point would show this) he is 99% confirmed as the chances the mafia gf would RC day 2 is extremely slim.
Do not on mass roleclaim him though as until the bomber or gf dies, as either or can destroy a town circle extremely quickly. It does however give a starting point for a circle to form.
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Quick question for BM: did the mafia get to choose their GF in this game, or was is assigned by you?
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On July 20 2010 21:17 citi.zen wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2010 20:18 Jayme wrote:On July 20 2010 15:38 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:
BrownBear i'd like to see more input from the rest of the town but i guess my sentiments on vets claiming boils to this:
1. the town wants the mafia to inadvertently waste hits on vets
2. vets claiming practically guarantees that this will not happen You have to balance the fact that you have a central confirmed townie with which to operate from. Randomly hitting a Vet is so rare as it is that I just don't see a huge benefit in keeping them hidden when one has obviously been hit...or the medic got a really lucky protection on someone. I personally like the vet claiming idea because on their own they are a pretty weak blue role. The DTs had two checks last night. Unless they both hit red, we already have the start of a circle, maybe two. I would trust these checks before te vet claim at this point, since the dts picked them more "randomly". That said, I doubt the mafia would fake claim this early. It gives them very little for a pretty big risk: if another vet is hit/lynched, the GF is toast. It would also mean they purposely wasted a kp. So we should be in good shape. Assume the claim was genuine but don't take stupid risks, we don't need them. The big thing is we didn't lose any blues, and the mafia only killed one person.
Just as a minor edit to this, it is the start of a few circles (each dt checks different people most likely, leads to two seperate circles, add in the medic's prot from last night you have a third)
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On July 21 2010 02:23 citi.zen wrote:
Quick question for BM: did the mafia get to choose their GF in this game, or was is assigned by you?
This is the sample note from the OP with the relevant part bold.
You are a Mafia Goon!
You get to pick a Godfather out of your team, though it may not be a suicide bomber, on the first night. Every night, you may send in kills in relation to your Kill Power. You win when you outnumber the town, or when they have no way of winning.
your team consists of:
1. Bill Murray
2. Ver
3. Qatol
4. Camlito
5. Ace
6. You
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On July 20 2010 15:39 BrownBear wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2010 15:38 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:
BrownBear i'd like to see more input from the rest of the town but i guess my sentiments on vets claiming boils to this:
1. the town wants the mafia to inadvertently waste hits on vets
2. vets claiming practically guarantees that this will not happen Yeah, that's how a normal setup works. What I'm saying though, is because we know the exact number of vets in this game, we can use that to our advantage and use the vets as confirmed townies, to greater effect. I believe coordination > random hit soaking, but I guess we have to agree to disagree.
Vets are better late game for circle use to fake leak info they are a dt, or the like. Vets early game to use as the center of a circle is a terrible idea. Think of it this way. TOWN has to confirm those vets. This requires wasting vig/hatter hits on them, dt checking, hoping a med prots them from a hit. The issue however is to confirm said vet requires blues confirming him. This leaves an opening for a bomber to get lucky as hell and potentially in a night at worst case kill two dts, 1-2 meds, a hatter/vig.
Not saying that many blues would normally stack ontop of the vet, but its reasonable to expect that 1 blue would be on said vet rather frequently making a bomber hit worth it as they lose one red to off 2-3 or 4 blues, or 2 blues, head of a town circle and still have remaining KP to snipe at anyone they know of in said circle. Far to risky early game.
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On July 20 2010 15:44 Protactinium wrote:Probably not today, unless we can find two clearly delineated targets. Ah, scrolling backward. With the whole Vet idea, let's not forget this: Show nested quote +On July 20 2010 13:44 Subversion wrote:Hey man, congratulations, that's really exciting news  Wish you all the best On point, I was also in agreement about the weirdness of Foolishness's post, but now he's dead. Seems at the moment, mafia aren't making too many mistakes.Not sure about the block of votes for Hyperbola, seems if it was a scum-instigated thing they could have easily spread it out more? Might have just been a bunch of townies jumping on the bandwagon. Although, I would guess there's a good chance there's one or two mafia in there, who saw an opportunity to jump on a townie vote. And don't forget he made the winning (or losing...) vote.
Good catch, subversion not only makes a weird line
Seems at the moment, mafia aren't making too many mistakes.
but also the bit about the hyperbola vote. Consider he is implying the chances of one - two reds in there, and cast the deciding vote to get hyper lynched. Add in then his "praise" of the mafia, seems he's either really good at slipups or really good at appearing scummy as town.
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On July 21 2010 02:28 rastaban wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2010 02:23 citi.zen wrote:
Quick question for BM: did the mafia get to choose their GF in this game, or was is assigned by you? This is the sample note from the OP with the relevant part bold. Show nested quote +You are a Mafia Goon!
You get to pick a Godfather out of your team, though it may not be a suicide bomber, on the first night. Every night, you may send in kills in relation to your Kill Power. You win when you outnumber the town, or when they have no way of winning.
your team consists of:
1. Bill Murray
2. Ver
3. Qatol
4. Camlito
5. Ace
6. You
OK, the usual set-up. Just curious.
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Foolishness's posts interest me a lot. I'm not sure if he was targeted because of his posts or because he was active, but we can look at his posts. (these posts are in backward order>.< sorry.)
+ Show Spoiler +On July 20 2010 09:31 Foolishness wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2010 09:25 Pandain wrote:Hmm time passes too fast. As this is my first mafia game, I'm extra afraid I'm going to die. So in case I die, I'll live something that players can easily check on if they want to. It's the posts by each player in the game, in case a player wants to check up on something. Tree.Hugger: + Show Spoiler +BrownBear + Show Spoiler +Oh god there are 600 posts. How could I be so stupid -.-. Unless people really want me to keep making these(which I'll of course do, gladly) I'll be doing it farily slowly. + Show Spoiler +This was harder than I thought . Oh well. You'd have an easier time if you look at lakrismamma or citi.zen
If the mafia did target Foolishness for his posts, it seems to point fingers at lakrismamma or citi.zen. We can't be positive, but we can be suspicious, especially since most of Foolishness' posts are targeting citi.zen
+ Show Spoiler +On July 20 2010 08:30 Foolishness wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2010 08:22 DarthThienAn wrote:Foolishness, are you so innocent yourself? You haven't really posted at all. Unofficial Start of the Game: Your first post after it:[url] which doesn't really say much.
[url=http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=133561¤tpage=19#363]2nd post:[/url] A ninja abstain vote to avoid modkill. Let's see if you change it later / actually contribute.
[url=http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=133561¤tpage=24#478]3rd post:[/url] There's the switch. You go to BC based on "bad vibes," claim busy IRL, and promise future activity.
[url=http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=133561¤tpage=28#547]Your next post:[/url] A summary of what happened during the voting. Implies youngminii, BrownBear, and bumatlarge might all be mafia together.
[url=http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=133561¤tpage=28#551]Next (two):[/url] Basically saying that we can't pull much from the voting patterns without more information than the vote talliers have given us.
[url=http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=133561¤tpage=28#554]Next:[/url] Bashing on me for... what, joking around a bit and still providing about as much content as you?
Gonna stop there as the other posts are pretty recent. So how much content have you provided? Not much. And all of it is within the last two pages. Sure you're busy with life and all, but maybe I'm busy with life too. Maybe we're all busy with life, except flamewheel. Sure, I might be spamming a bit here and there, but maybe I don't have much to say / don't have the time to write it all out. This isn't about me. This is about you. I gave reason for my actions. Where's your reasons on why you're acting "like Chezinu"? Most people are blind so let me spell it out for everyone. You're hiding something. It's clear that you're attitude is the result of the fact you know some information that you don't want everyone else to know. That means you're blue or red. I'm sure I'm not the only one to figure this out, and if you're blue I bet a mafia member has figured this out. And if you don't have much to say/don't have the time to write it all out, go get yourself replaced. By the way, shoving arguments against me to try to divert attention off of yourself is terrible. You should know me well enough I'm just going to keep pressuring you until you claim or until I get 75% of the town to vote for you. If you want me off your back, all you got to do is point out how someone else is obviously mafia and you're not. I mean, all you had to do there was say "I'm not mafia, citizen is clearly mafia, look at his posts; clearly scum". And if you were somewhat serious about it I'd totally divert attention off of you since citizen is such an easy kill for the town.
Here, we see Foolishness attack DTA. DTA has been acting very very weird, and I agree with Foolishness about DTA hiding something. The mafia may be scared of Foolishness because of his attacks on fellow mafia members. This points fingers to DTA. Also, Foolishness makes it clear that citi.zen is a target for lynching, and that DTA could have pointed fingers to him.
+ Show Spoiler +On July 20 2010 08:12 Foolishness wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2010 08:08 DarthThienAn wrote:On July 20 2010 08:05 Foolishness wrote:On July 20 2010 08:01 DarthThienAn wrote:Guys if I die tonight, then I am mafia. Death Post: + Show Spoiler + You might as well just roleclaim whatever blue role you have to the town. I mean, if the mafia don't kill you tonight they are either stupid or you are in fact mafia. If you aren't dead after night then you should be top priority for lynch. Of course, you could just actually act normal and help us out to save you a bunch of trouble. lol. Just doing my job ^^. On another note, I think Hyberbola was Godfather, so he flipped green... I mean, BM didn't officially say that he was a townie in the night post. :D:D:D I do appreciate you making it easy for all of us on who to vote for as soon as day starts. Mafia have probably sent in their hits already. Just claim now. The earlier the better.
More assertiveness. Very scary for the mafia.
+ Show Spoiler +On July 20 2010 08:05 Foolishness wrote:You might as well just roleclaim whatever blue role you have to the town. I mean, if the mafia don't kill you tonight they are either stupid or you are in fact mafia. If you aren't dead after night then you should be top priority for lynch. Of course, you could just actually act normal and help us out to save you a bunch of trouble.
More attacks on DTA. I feel that this is an important quote, considering that the mafia didn't target DTA this night.
+ Show Spoiler +On July 20 2010 08:02 Foolishness wrote:
The ordered by player list doesn't help for anything.
The only thing that's useful out of these lists is tracking the changes of who was ahead in the voting and how they got ahead. For instance, youngminii was ahead in votes at some point (I believe), looking at who were the people that pushed Hyperbola over is what's important. You also need the timestamps of when these votes happen, in order to confirm if there was a mafia pushover.
It's been said before, mafia spread out their votes as much as possible. I wouldn't be surprised if there was only 1 mafia in the votes for youngminii and hyperbola combined. The only exception to this is if a mafia was about to be lynched, as the team would try to save that person. That's what we need to look out for.
People already talked about this. That means we are on the right track.
##Vote: DarthThienAn because of his weird behavior and bring confusion. If he is a blue role or a townie, then he will need to defend himself in order to actually help the town. If he is a mafia, good.
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I would also like to point out this post by citi.zen.
+ Show Spoiler +On July 20 2010 10:09 citi.zen wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2010 09:31 Foolishness wrote:On July 20 2010 09:25 Pandain wrote:Hmm time passes too fast. As this is my first mafia game, I'm extra afraid I'm going to die. So in case I die, I'll live something that players can easily check on if they want to. It's the posts by each player in the game, in case a player wants to check up on something. Tree.Hugger: + Show Spoiler +BrownBear + Show Spoiler +Oh god there are 600 posts. How could I be so stupid -.-. Unless people really want me to keep making these(which I'll of course do, gladly) I'll be doing it farily slowly. + Show Spoiler +This was harder than I thought . Oh well. You'd have an easier time if you look at lakrismamma or citi.zen I know you're not a bad player, so this attempt to cast doubts on me out of the blue strikes me as odd. Especially since you're grouping me with lakrismama - which makes zero sense, as you would know full well it if you were honestly searching for reds. Look at his posts: Show nested quote +On July 18 2010 15:25 lakrismamma wrote:On July 18 2010 12:03 citi.zen wrote:
A few comments on how I see the game going:
1. PMs are allowed so trust circles are the way to go. Sooner or later they will form because of Dt checks, medic protection, vet soaking up a hit when we know they are the lone vet, etc. When this happens we'll be in good shape.
2. BCs list is fine, but many people seem to miss its point entirely.
3. There is no roleblocker, but there is a suicide bomber. Be very careful with your circles. Speak through confirmed townies if possible.
4. We lynch an inactive and/or bad player day one. Hyperbola is a fine target. Bumatlarge is ok too, bringing grudges from prior games here can derail us for many pages.
5. I already voted for Darth, why is it not counted? I will likely change it, but still! Good post! Abstaining is stupid. Part of why suggesting voting for for inactive persons is to make that person become active to defend himself therefore we get more to read from and mafia cant hide in the inactives. I think Hyperbola has defended himself pretty well. ##vote LaxerCannonHe is usually more active so get to it Laxer. Show nested quote +On July 19 2010 03:46 lakrismamma wrote:
I think youngminii has a point. I think we should keep an eye on hyperbola and him but not lynch them.
DTA is probably just inactive town. But in that case we have no need for him either. So he is a decent alternative.
I will follow citizen though to create a third alternative.
##Unvote
##vote ketomai Transparent much? No mafia, in any game that I have seen, risks showing this "support" towards each other on day 1. You know this. And you Sir are now looking very red.
Foolishness has been pointed out as having odd behavior. He may have been a future lynching target. Why would the mafia target someone who is suspicious of being red?
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On July 21 2010 03:21 Misder wrote:I would also like to point out this post by citi.zen. + Show Spoiler +On July 20 2010 10:09 citi.zen wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2010 09:31 Foolishness wrote:On July 20 2010 09:25 Pandain wrote:Hmm time passes too fast. As this is my first mafia game, I'm extra afraid I'm going to die. So in case I die, I'll live something that players can easily check on if they want to. It's the posts by each player in the game, in case a player wants to check up on something. Tree.Hugger: + Show Spoiler +BrownBear + Show Spoiler +Oh god there are 600 posts. How could I be so stupid -.-. Unless people really want me to keep making these(which I'll of course do, gladly) I'll be doing it farily slowly. + Show Spoiler +This was harder than I thought . Oh well. You'd have an easier time if you look at lakrismamma or citi.zen I know you're not a bad player, so this attempt to cast doubts on me out of the blue strikes me as odd. Especially since you're grouping me with lakrismama - which makes zero sense, as you would know full well it if you were honestly searching for reds. Look at his posts: Show nested quote +On July 18 2010 15:25 lakrismamma wrote:On July 18 2010 12:03 citi.zen wrote:
A few comments on how I see the game going:
1. PMs are allowed so trust circles are the way to go. Sooner or later they will form because of Dt checks, medic protection, vet soaking up a hit when we know they are the lone vet, etc. When this happens we'll be in good shape.
2. BCs list is fine, but many people seem to miss its point entirely.
3. There is no roleblocker, but there is a suicide bomber. Be very careful with your circles. Speak through confirmed townies if possible.
4. We lynch an inactive and/or bad player day one. Hyperbola is a fine target. Bumatlarge is ok too, bringing grudges from prior games here can derail us for many pages.
5. I already voted for Darth, why is it not counted? I will likely change it, but still! Good post! Abstaining is stupid. Part of why suggesting voting for for inactive persons is to make that person become active to defend himself therefore we get more to read from and mafia cant hide in the inactives. I think Hyperbola has defended himself pretty well. ##vote LaxerCannonHe is usually more active so get to it Laxer. Show nested quote +On July 19 2010 03:46 lakrismamma wrote:
I think youngminii has a point. I think we should keep an eye on hyperbola and him but not lynch them.
DTA is probably just inactive town. But in that case we have no need for him either. So he is a decent alternative.
I will follow citizen though to create a third alternative.
##Unvote
##vote ketomai Transparent much? No mafia, in any game that I have seen, risks showing this "support" towards each other on day 1. You know this. And you Sir are now looking very red. Foolishness has been pointed out as having odd behavior. He may have been a future lynching target. Why would the mafia target someone who is suspicious of being red?
Good collection of posts man, congrats! You left out this one:
On July 19 2010 08:25 Foolishness wrote:
Switching my Vote from abstain:
##Vote BloodyCobbler
Just based on bad vibes so far. I am busy irl the past few days, but I will be active permanently by the first night for the rest of the game. If the first night goes by and I haven't made an active contribution feel free to hold me accountable.
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On July 21 2010 03:21 Misder wrote:I would also like to point out this post by citi.zen. + Show Spoiler +On July 20 2010 10:09 citi.zen wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2010 09:31 Foolishness wrote:On July 20 2010 09:25 Pandain wrote:Hmm time passes too fast. As this is my first mafia game, I'm extra afraid I'm going to die. So in case I die, I'll live something that players can easily check on if they want to. It's the posts by each player in the game, in case a player wants to check up on something. Tree.Hugger: + Show Spoiler +BrownBear + Show Spoiler +Oh god there are 600 posts. How could I be so stupid -.-. Unless people really want me to keep making these(which I'll of course do, gladly) I'll be doing it farily slowly. + Show Spoiler +This was harder than I thought . Oh well. You'd have an easier time if you look at lakrismamma or citi.zen I know you're not a bad player, so this attempt to cast doubts on me out of the blue strikes me as odd. Especially since you're grouping me with lakrismama - which makes zero sense, as you would know full well it if you were honestly searching for reds. Look at his posts: Show nested quote +On July 18 2010 15:25 lakrismamma wrote:On July 18 2010 12:03 citi.zen wrote:
A few comments on how I see the game going:
1. PMs are allowed so trust circles are the way to go. Sooner or later they will form because of Dt checks, medic protection, vet soaking up a hit when we know they are the lone vet, etc. When this happens we'll be in good shape.
2. BCs list is fine, but many people seem to miss its point entirely.
3. There is no roleblocker, but there is a suicide bomber. Be very careful with your circles. Speak through confirmed townies if possible.
4. We lynch an inactive and/or bad player day one. Hyperbola is a fine target. Bumatlarge is ok too, bringing grudges from prior games here can derail us for many pages.
5. I already voted for Darth, why is it not counted? I will likely change it, but still! Good post! Abstaining is stupid. Part of why suggesting voting for for inactive persons is to make that person become active to defend himself therefore we get more to read from and mafia cant hide in the inactives. I think Hyperbola has defended himself pretty well. ##vote LaxerCannonHe is usually more active so get to it Laxer. Show nested quote +On July 19 2010 03:46 lakrismamma wrote:
I think youngminii has a point. I think we should keep an eye on hyperbola and him but not lynch them.
DTA is probably just inactive town. But in that case we have no need for him either. So he is a decent alternative.
I will follow citizen though to create a third alternative.
##Unvote
##vote ketomai Transparent much? No mafia, in any game that I have seen, risks showing this "support" towards each other on day 1. You know this. And you Sir are now looking very red. Foolishness has been pointed out as having odd behavior. He may have been a future lynching target. Why would the mafia target someone who is suspicious of being red?
Because then it puts the finger-pointers in a position when players, such as yourself, go back and analyze the posts. This is actually a common ruse to cause the town to run around in circles as townies battle townies. It's not to say your analysis is invalid, but it could just be a breadcrumb trail to no-wheres-ville setup and managed by the mafia.
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