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BrownBear
Profile Joined March 2010
United States6894 Posts
July 20 2010 06:45 GMT
#681
I am going to bed as well. Will post sporadically tomorrow. Working from 7 AM PST to 11 PM PST. Will find time to be active though, god willing.

Peace.
SUNSFANNED
youngminii
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Australia7514 Posts
July 20 2010 06:48 GMT
#682
Perhaps Vet's should just make trust circles via PM? Instead of openly roleclaiming, they can slowly bring in people one by one maybe? I guess I'm not that against the roleclaiming part but it does feel a bit iffy.

Also, note that it's interesting how there were 6 votes for hyperbola and 5 votes for me. What's more interesting is that there are only 6 scum and they could have easily single handedly voted off hyperbola (unlikely though). What is likely is that there were at least a few scum voting for either me and hyperbola.

Here's a plan that we can use (I realise my last plan was like, totally distracting and stuff so if you choose to ignore this I don't blame you), instead of Vets roleclaiming, how about Vets 'recruit' people into their PM trust circles. These trust circles can exclude anyone from Hyperbola/my bandwagon as there ought to be at least 2-3 mafia in total in the bandwagons.
lalala
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
July 20 2010 08:22 GMT
#683
On July 20 2010 15:20 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
What kind of bear is best?



+ Show Spoiler +
Not BrownBear

LOL i love that show as of recently (my buddy turned me on to it, but he only has the first 3-4 seasons)
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
July 20 2010 08:24 GMT
#684
2] Brownbear (Divinek, DarthThienAn)
1] Subversion (tree.hugger)
1] DarthThienAn (d3_crescentia)
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-20 11:53:03
July 20 2010 09:32 GMT
#685
+ Show Spoiler +
LOL SKYHIGH
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
Pyrrhuloxia
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States6700 Posts
July 20 2010 10:36 GMT
#686
On July 20 2010 18:32 Bill Murray wrote:
LOL SKYHIGH

LOL more spoilers for playoffs in the mafia thread
Jayme
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States5866 Posts
July 20 2010 11:18 GMT
#687
On July 20 2010 15:38 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:
BrownBear i'd like to see more input from the rest of the town but i guess my sentiments on vets claiming boils to this:

1. the town wants the mafia to inadvertently waste hits on vets
2. vets claiming practically guarantees that this will not happen


You have to balance the fact that you have a central confirmed townie with which to operate from. Randomly hitting a Vet is so rare as it is that I just don't see a huge benefit in keeping them hidden when one has obviously been hit...or the medic got a really lucky protection on someone.

I personally like the vet claiming idea because on their own they are a pretty weak blue role.
Python is garbage, number 1 advocate of getting rid of it.
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
July 20 2010 11:53 GMT
#688
On July 20 2010 17:24 Bill Murray wrote:
Show nested quote +
2] Brownbear (Divinek, DarthThienAn)
1] Subversion (tree.hugger)
1] DarthThienAn (d3_crescentia)

University of Kentucky Basketball #1
citi.zen
Profile Joined April 2009
2509 Posts
July 20 2010 12:17 GMT
#689
On July 20 2010 20:18 Jayme wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2010 15:38 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:
BrownBear i'd like to see more input from the rest of the town but i guess my sentiments on vets claiming boils to this:

1. the town wants the mafia to inadvertently waste hits on vets
2. vets claiming practically guarantees that this will not happen


You have to balance the fact that you have a central confirmed townie with which to operate from. Randomly hitting a Vet is so rare as it is that I just don't see a huge benefit in keeping them hidden when one has obviously been hit...or the medic got a really lucky protection on someone.

I personally like the vet claiming idea because on their own they are a pretty weak blue role.

The DTs had two checks last night. Unless they both hit red, we already have the start of a circle, maybe two. I would trust these checks before te vet claim at this point, since the dts picked them more "randomly".

That said, I doubt the mafia would fake claim this early. It gives them very little for a pretty big risk: if another vet is hit/lynched, the GF is toast. It would also mean they purposely wasted a kp.

So we should be in good shape. Assume the claim was genuine but don't take stupid risks, we don't need them. The big thing is we didn't lose any blues, and the mafia only killed one person.
Aut viam inveniam, aut faciam.
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
July 20 2010 13:15 GMT
#690
Why is it that all of a sudden d3 claims he was protected and BrownBear becomes the official 'active' townie with all of this great insight.

Up until about 12 hours ago (last time I checked the thread) he was nowhere to be found, and now that 1 person gave him something to run with, he's invaded about 2/3's of the last 2 pages with nonsense analysis about d3. What's even worse is that he wants our "other" veteran to roleclaim.

ATTN OTHER VETERAN: DO NOT ROLECLAIM!!!!

The goal of the veteran, as stated numerous times, is to be the meatshield. His vote is only worth 1, regardless of how long he is left in the game. His job is to soak damage up from night kills. By outing our veterans, we are pretty much giving the mafia enough information to say "don't hit these players." I'm against that plan completely, and I'm against BrownBear.

Hopefully the DT's are working their magic from last night and getting in contact with the players they checked. The DT role is pretty black/white and very strong in this game, so we need to keep those guys alive. The DT's should form their own circles and use the players they checked as voice-boxes. The players who have been checked should, UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES, reveal to any other player who the DT is unless they are verified. The only way the DT circles should combine is if AND ONLY IF by chance a DT checks another DT. Please be smart about this guys.

I'm sticking with the opinion of the previous night to lynch the most useless player:

##Vote: BrownBear

I'll consider changing my vote if some of the more 'influential players' have a better suggestion.
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
chaoser
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States5541 Posts
July 20 2010 13:55 GMT
#691
Sorry if this is a little off topic since we're not really talking about double lynches yet but if we vote double lynch today, it get activated next day cycle right? So why wouldn't we vote for it today? It's probable we'll have a wealth of information by the next day.
Haven't you heard? I'm not an ex-progamer. I'm not a poker player. I'm not an admin of the site. I'm mother fucking Rekrul.
bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
July 20 2010 13:59 GMT
#692
Poor brownbear, suprised only one person is calling out darth for his posting youd think mafia would jump on the chance of a towny greenclaiming Godfather. Unless hes mafia, then it all makes sense. You may argue that D3 could be scum, but would you really run head first into a vote as mafia without trying to at least convince someone that certain posting is detrimental. And if darth is red, then divinek is an easy pick after. I mean, hell why not lynch everyone darth has accused after. I think he might be trying to get caught. I see no traitor role. If you agree with me I suggest ignoring everything darth says after this.

##Vote DarthThienAn
Together but separate, like oatmeal
chaoser
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States5541 Posts
July 20 2010 14:02 GMT
#693
And to be truthful, I don;t really believe that BrownBear is townie just from the way he's posting. For the first day he pretty much posts nothing and bandwagons with no real reason. When people point him out of it (that he voted before reading) he goes oh well, it doesn't matter now when it CLEARLY did, the vote ended 6-5. Then, after a whole DAY of people pointing fingers at him he decides to come in and post about vets claiming and basically giving horrible advice. I'm inclined to say he's mafia who fucked up the first day and now he's trying to play dumb townie. Also, his whole ramble about claiming is pushing us off the topic of Subversion's suspicious vote as well as his little statement about how mafia isn't really making mistakes.

I'm not 100% clear on my vote yet but I'm watching BrownBear for now. And I also think we should vote double lynch. It's going to be 52 hours till the next lynch give or take, you guys don't think we'll have more than enough information then?
Haven't you heard? I'm not an ex-progamer. I'm not a poker player. I'm not an admin of the site. I'm mother fucking Rekrul.
chaoser
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States5541 Posts
July 20 2010 14:15 GMT
#694
On July 20 2010 15:35 youngminii wrote:
So a pretty interesting thing that happened was (believe me or not, it doesn't really affect anything) foolishness pm'd me this morning being pretty vague. He said something like he needed a few things for someone to check up on and that I could help him figure a few things out. I have no clue what he was talking about and by the time I replied he was already dead.

Anyways, now that SC2 is back down I'm gonna go read through pretty much the entire thread again. Brb.


Why don't you think the claim by d3 and only one person dying last night means anything/affects anything?
Haven't you heard? I'm not an ex-progamer. I'm not a poker player. I'm not an admin of the site. I'm mother fucking Rekrul.
youngminii
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Australia7514 Posts
July 20 2010 14:19 GMT
#695
I didn't actually say only one person dying last night means anything/affects anything. That comment was towards foolishness's PM which was completely out of the blue.

I see no reason logically or statistically as to why d3 would make it up. He said he was protected by a medic and so he was. If he was scum he could've simply flown completely under the radar as he has been doing so far.
lalala
citi.zen
Profile Joined April 2009
2509 Posts
July 20 2010 14:43 GMT
#696
Actually, a medic protection claim would be a bit harder to verify than a veteran claim given neither medic knows what the other one is up to.
Aut viam inveniam, aut faciam.
zeks
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Canada1068 Posts
July 20 2010 14:58 GMT
#697
i'm more inclined to believe d3 is town from a medic claim than a vet claim

if he false claims medic protection, medics would know whats up immediately.

if he claims vet there could be the slight possibility of:

mafia sends in 1 hit, d3 claims vet tricks us all into thinking he got hit and infiltrates town circles.

regardless i'll give him the benefit of the doubt that mafia didn't pull off what i said above.

##Vote DarthThienAn

You're playing way out of your normal character, and you're no Bill Murray.

Either you're scum or trying too hard to not get hit by being abnoxious.
"Two roads diverged in a wood, and I-- I took the one less traveled by, And that has made all the difference."
citi.zen
Profile Joined April 2009
2509 Posts
July 20 2010 15:00 GMT
#698
On July 20 2010 23:58 zeks wrote:
i'm more inclined to believe d3 is town from a medic claim than a vet claim

if he false claims medic protection, medics would know whats up immediately.

if he claims vet there could be the slight possibility of:

mafia sends in 1 hit, d3 claims vet tricks us all into thinking he got hit and infiltrates town circles.

regardless i'll give him the benefit of the doubt that mafia didn't pull off what i said above.

##Vote DarthThienAn

You're playing way out of your normal character, and you're no Bill Murray.

Either you're scum or trying too hard to not get hit by being abnoxious.

Please explain the logic of the underlined statement to me. The OP states there are 2/2 medics alive, so how doe either one of them know what the other one did?
Aut viam inveniam, aut faciam.
zeks
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Canada1068 Posts
July 20 2010 15:32 GMT
#699
you're right i guess we don't know for sure.

but I think its highly unlikely for mafia to bank on the fact that both medics dont know what the other one did to claim a hit just on the fact that its so risky.

not saying d3 is clear 100% but i just think scum would be kinda dumb to pull something like that so early
"Two roads diverged in a wood, and I-- I took the one less traveled by, And that has made all the difference."
citi.zen
Profile Joined April 2009
2509 Posts
July 20 2010 15:35 GMT
#700
On July 21 2010 00:32 zeks wrote:
you're right i guess we don't know for sure.

but I think its highly unlikely for mafia to bank on the fact that both medics dont know what the other one did to claim a hit just on the fact that its so risky.

not saying d3 is clear 100% but i just think scum would be kinda dumb to pull something like that so early

Are you thinking about the game much or just trying not to seem inactive?

Which reminds me - what happened to BC?
Aut viam inveniam, aut faciam.
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