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d3_crescentia
United States4054 Posts
I took a hit last night. According to Bill, I was protected from a bunch of fat men in suits. I guess that means all of you scum need to hit the gym. There was also an Asian with a cell phone. (DARTHTHIENANANANANAN!?!?!?!?!?!) Oh, and if you're wondering, the reason why I'm posting this so late is because Bill didn't send me a PM initially ~_~ | ||
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Infundibulum
United States2552 Posts
On July 20 2010 14:31 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: Okay, so someone survived a hit last night. Should the medic and victim claim to each other? Alternatively, should the veteran role claim? I know we've had vets role claim after being hit in the past, but it does give the mafia more info that could help them plan out further hits. Oh, also I suppose the mafia might have really really wanted Foolishness dead and put two hits on him. Or only sent in one hit but I don't think any team would ever agree to that unless it was led by the dark triumvirate of oczec darth and chezinu. And even then darth already admitted he wants as much blood to spill as possible. well according to day post, both the victim and the medic get a PM from the mod so claiming to each other should be safe unless i'm missing some obvious hole here in my tired state. If a vet was hit, he should NOT role claim imo, as i think it gives away too much info (the mafia don't know if it was a med protect or a vet) I think you're right that a double stack is really unlikely. If nobody steps forward to claim the 2nd hit, then it is possible i guess. Whoever took the 2nd hit needs to state it publicly in the thread. The mafia already knows who they hit; there is no disadvantage and the town benefits from this info. | ||
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Infundibulum
United States2552 Posts
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DarthThienAn
United States2734 Posts
On July 20 2010 14:31 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: Okay, so someone survived a hit last night. Should the medic and victim claim to each other? Alternatively, should the veteran role claim? I know we've had vets role claim after being hit in the past, but it does give the mafia more info that could help them plan out further hits. Oh, also I suppose the mafia might have really really wanted Foolishness dead and put two hits on him. Or only sent in one hit but I don't think any team would ever agree to that unless it was led by the dark triumvirate of oczec darth and chezinu. And even then darth already admitted he wants as much blood to spill as possible. Yeah, but I had to make sure that Foolishness died. He was going after me too hard. If a veteran got hit, they should just claim, "I got hit." If a medic protected someone who got hit, the victim should just claim, "I got hit." Medic should PM that person and those two should establish a connection. The PMing should come before the public thread claiming. | ||
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Infundibulum
United States2552 Posts
On July 20 2010 14:35 BrownBear wrote: Not what I meant. What I meant was, if I stop making a bunch of shitty posts and play like the townie that I am, and people decide to lynch me anyway, they aren't playing well. Learn to read before jumping on people under suspicion, it really doesn't help their case. You not playing well got you in this situation in the first place. But, I and probably many other people would be glad to see you turn over a new leaf and make some positive contributions. p.s. Elucidate your points and you won't have the problem of people misinterpreting your posts. | ||
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DarthThienAn
United States2734 Posts
On July 20 2010 14:35 d3_crescentia wrote: Okay, so. I took a hit last night. According to Bill, I was protected from a bunch of fat men in suits. I guess that means all of you scum need to hit the gym. There was also an Asian with a cell phone. (DARTHTHIENANANANANAN!?!?!?!?!?!) Oh, and if you're wondering, the reason why I'm posting this so late is because Bill didn't send me a PM initially ~_~ You liar. I stacked both hits on Foolishness. | ||
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d3_crescentia
United States4054 Posts
On July 20 2010 14:45 DarthThienAn wrote: You liar. I stacked both hits on Foolishness. ##vote: DarthThienAn | ||
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DarthThienAn
United States2734 Posts
Consistency is important Peter  | ||
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Pyrrhuloxia
United States6700 Posts
On July 20 2010 14:38 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote: oh and d3 beats me to the punch because i don't refresh. derp of course maybe he's actually someone that was saved by a medic and he's fooling! or maybe he's red or bored townie and effing with us but yeah | ||
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BrownBear
United States6894 Posts
On July 20 2010 14:44 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote: You not playing well got you in this situation in the first place. But, I and probably many other people would be glad to see you turn over a new leaf and make some positive contributions. p.s. Elucidate your points and you won't have the problem of people misinterpreting your posts. True enough, I thought I had elucidated clearly enough, but apparently this was not the case. So it goes. Anyway, d3 took a hit last night - good to know. Hopefully him+medic was established before, because now that it's out in the open it would be very hard to confirm that whoever PMs him saying "I protected you" is actually medic. It's out in the open now, though, so let's take a look at it more closely: Case 1: d3 is as he says, a vet who took a hit. This is the most likely case, mafia would probably not take the risk of getting called out in this open of a setup. If he established connection with a medic before posting, that's all the better, we have two confirmed townies, and he can confirm the medic's identity if the medic is ever in danger of getting lynched. If he didn't, well... at least we have 1 confirmed townie. I hope d3 takes more of a leadership role in the town today, as his confirmed-ness could prove really really useful. Case 2: d3 is a mafia posing as a vet to attempt to take advantage of the town and pose as a confirmed townie. If he "forgot" to establish contact with medic before coming out to the town, that makes this slightly more possible, however it's a very risky gamble in this situation. I think town might be benefitted from vets claiming now, for the following reasons: Reason 1: If d3 is vet, the second vet claiming does nothing bad for the town, and provides another town leader-type role. Plus, I feel confirmed vets are lower-priority targets for mafia - they'd rather take out 2 people in one night than one really beefy one, especially when they have a chance of nailing a medic or a DT rather than a guy who essentially exists to soak up KP. Reason 2: If d3 is mafia, both vets claiming nets us an easy kill. Mafia will not fakeclaim in this setup for the following reason: If mafia fakeclaimes vet, we rolecheck/lynch d3, he flips vet, we just figure out which vet fakeclaimed and lynch them. I don't think it would be too difficult to figure out which is which. From my perspective, the only downside of having the second vet claim is that mafia won't target him instead of another blue, which is a fairly low chance (2/23 chance mafia targets the vet on a given night). I personally think having two confirmed townies (plus possibly a medic they can both know about). What are your guys' thoughts? | ||
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Infundibulum
United States2552 Posts
the only way a fake claim would work is if foolishness was double tapped but then only a troll or a red would claim | ||
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BrownBear
United States6894 Posts
I still think both vets should claim, however. If we get more than 2 claims, we can deal with it as it happens. However, starting a town circle = good idea. | ||
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BrownBear
United States6894 Posts
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Infundibulum
United States2552 Posts
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BrownBear
United States6894 Posts
On July 20 2010 15:03 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote: that was in response to pyrr I know. I was just making sure I pointed out the flaw in my argument before someone else decided to use it against me. | ||
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Pyrrhuloxia
United States6700 Posts
Other vet shouldn't claim: chance is not 2/23 because it repeats and gets more likely as the vet survives. Wasting mafia hits is how we survive longer; it's how we win. | ||
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Pyrrhuloxia
United States6700 Posts
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DarthThienAn
United States2734 Posts
On July 20 2010 15:03 BrownBear wrote: d3, you should actually just say whether you are a vet or not. Easiest way to solve my confusion. Are you kidding me? d3's smart, and hopefully won't let the mafia know what he is / isn't. ... | ||
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Protactinium
Canada550 Posts
Ah, my pre-emptive refreshing before posting has shown me that BrownBear has elucidated the first part of my post above. Being too lazy to delete, I am going to post it anyway. There are a few scenarios that come to mind though, and plausible or not I feel compelled to list them out: 1) d3_crescentia is a non-Veteran role and was saved by a Medic. In the games that I have read and played before, Medic saves, especially so early, are pretty unlikely. 2) d3_crescentia is a Veteran and took the hit. Probably the most plausible situation. 3) d3_crescentia is Mafia, claiming to have taken a hit while the Mafia doublestacked Foolishness in order to kill him. I don't think this is the case, but it could be a highly effective ploy if used correctly... BrownBear: your post assumes that there are two Veterans? We do not know that there are that. If there is only one other Veteran and d3_crescentia claims that the logic goes to nil. After Foolishness died, my immediate thoughts (of course) went to DarthThienAn. Before Foolishness' death, the two of them had an argument. Then Foolishness died. This alone makes me less suspicious of DarthThienAn, given his post-death trolling. Will go back to read Foolishness' posts though. From my readings he is generally pretty insightful. I remember him calling one person out but I'm too lazy to find it at this point since I want to get this post out. Wondering about youngminii. After defending himself, he has gone silent. Also, let's not forget Subversion, with his "Mafia have not made many mistakes so far" and the suspicious vote. | ||
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BrownBear
United States6894 Posts
I think both vets should claim today. My reasons are below: Vets, unlike other blues, are not high-priority targets once they are out in the open. Mafia doesn't want to waste KP that could be better spent killing more people more efficiently. Vets, once confirmed, could have other blues PM them and start a town circle type thing. Because of the openness of this setup, the only vagueness we have is in which Town KP roles we have exactly. Therefore, if 3 medics or 3 DTs claim, the vets would know something was up, and after some DT work, some mafia would be going down. Therefore, vets could know exactly who the meds and DTs are, meaning that some epic coordination for protections and rolechecks could go down. Vets, unlike other confirmed townies, need no med protection. They's some beefy fuckas. Mafia COULD theoretically waste a KP to take them down, but I'm not so sure they would want to do that, rather than try to hunt down other blues. If more than 2 vets claim, we'd be sacrificing AT MOST 1 townie for 1 scum, and the scum has a 0% chance of survival. Lets take a look: Persons A, B, C claim to be vet. We DON'T lynch any of them today. We tell DTs (who should coordinate through d3) to check Persons A and B. If Person A or B flips red, we lynch them. If they both flip blue, we lynch person C. There are weird factors that could screw with this (GF, more than 2 DTs claiming to d3), but I don't think it's that likely. In most situations, we have a confirmed scum going down, and no red player is willing to take that risk just to splat a big beefy 2-night-life guy. Any thoughts? | ||
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