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LunarDestiny
United States4177 Posts
This is the clue which points at Thegilaboy only. | ||
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Thegilaboy
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littlechava
United States7216 Posts
On June 06 2010 15:16 DCLXVI wrote: Well if we hang him and he turns out to be townie, then we should hang you. It seems quite suspicious to accuse someone that quickly and try to bring down suspicion on him. At least try to list out a few possible clue connections and scum sounding posts/actions before accusing active people like that. Did you notice the part where I said "If I was going to vote based solely on clues"? And really? Try to list out a few possible clue connections? Pretty much every clue post so far has mentioned Thegilaboy. | ||
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littlechava
United States7216 Posts
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LunarDestiny
United States4177 Posts
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MTF
United States1739 Posts
 Keep in mind that I'm only listing the subtle connections here, and not the more "shout-in-your-face" types. (eg, YellowInk) Suspects Based Off Clues: BumAtLarge: + Show Spoiler + Relevant Clues: + Show Spoiler + Day 1: Incognito the Pardoner, through his tremendous intuition, had sensed that something was to go down last night. Day 2: He walked up to jiabung's body still hung, and began to inspect jiabung, perhaps looking for clues. ... He was at his desk in his library, looking at the pictures of the recently deceased town leaders through his magnifying glass. After carefully analyzing the pictures, he realized he was no step closer to solving this crime. Connection to BumAtLarge: + Show Spoiler + BumAtLarge has a picture of Professor Layton (and Luke) in his profile. Professor Layton is a Sherlock Holmes-esque character who is said to have great intuition, and solves crimes/mysteries throughout the world. Verdict: + Show Spoiler + Not feeling strong enough to lynch off of, but definitely keep in mind. Hugoboss21: + Show Spoiler + Relevant Clues: + Show Spoiler + Day 2: A masked figure followed him, and stealthily kept to the shadows, not letting ElyAs out of his sight. ElyAs moved quickly, breaking into a quick run, hoping to make it back home before he was overtaken. However, he was not to make it. As ElyAs passed by the town courthouse, he noticed that he had already been beaten--the masked figure was sitting on the steps. ElyAs gasped, but in an instant his life had been snuffed out, and the killer walked away with a bloodied knife. Connection to Hugoboss21: + Show Spoiler + "Loves playing medic & spy at TF2". The masked man, the keeping to the shadows, and the instant killing with a knife all point to the spy from TF2. Verdict: + Show Spoiler + Seeing as this ignored the masked figure beating Elyas to the steps and is only based on one Day post, the evidence is insufficient for me to feel any conviction. crate: + Show Spoiler + Relevant Clues: + Show Spoiler + Day 1: Crime he thought, so unlikely in his town. ... Whilst in his office finishing his work, he deflected no less than five assassination attempts, ranging from sniffing poison in his coffee cup to leaping out of the way from a thrown knife while walking down the hallway....Incognito recognized the danger and started backing away quickly, but in one freak moment, the printer exploded and showered Incognito with burning hot ink, hitting him in the face. As Incognito ran outward toward the street to escape, he was struck by a speeding car. Connection to crate: + Show Spoiler + crate's profile quote is from Richard Feynman. It relates to the percieved improbability of things. It seems very improbable that Incognito would survive all of these attempts on his life, just to get sprayed in the face with hot ink and then run into a car. Verdict: + Show Spoiler + I like crate's posting. A lot. And the clue is somewhat convuluted. So, I'm far from sold. MooCow & Tyranos_Nivek: + Show Spoiler + Relevant Clues: + Show Spoiler + Day 1: Whilst in his office finishing his work, he deflected no less than five assassination attempts, ranging from sniffing poison in his coffee cup to leaping out of the way from a thrown knife while walking down the hallway. Day 2: ElyAs moved quickly, breaking into a quick run, hoping to make it back home before he was overtaken. However, he was not to make it. As ElyAs passed by the town courthouse, he noticed that he had already been beaten--the masked figure was sitting on the steps. ... After climbing into the bed, he turned off his light and turned to see his drapes flutter in the wind. He moved to them and saw his window open, shaking his head and not remembering opening the window, he moved to close it...A sickening crack was heard, and the lifeless eyes of barth gazed up at the sky. Connection to MooCow & Tyranos_Nivek: + Show Spoiler + Damn, that's a lot of stuff to be possibly connected to. In any case, both of their public profiles (which I was saddened to learn neither of you wrote) mention that they used to be a CIA agents (poisoning coffee), throws tennis rackets with extreme accuracy (knife), defy the laws of physics (easily beating Barth to the courthouse), and scales walls (Barth wouldn't have died if thrown from the first floor). Verdict: + Show Spoiler + There's simply too many opportunities for red herrings to pop up, given the amount of information available. Plus, I sincerely doubt that Flamewheel/BC would be irresponsible enough to make cluesets using this information when it is the exact same between two people. They'd both need to be Mafia for this to make any sense. Least convincing clue connection to me, overall. General Notes: (This is more or less just a "pay attention to the way things are worded" section to help newer people looking for clues. It will also show some thoughts I have that others might be able to connect to specific people.) Day 1: + Show Spoiler + as per usual for a man of his stature. Gazing down at his desk, Not going to be related to anybody short. Making his way down to the city center, he gazed at the buildings as he passed, the shopping mall that had just been built, the school he went to when he was a kid, just farther down the way a series of small stores and restaurants...he stopped by the fountain in front of the office. It was there he noticed he was being followed. Turning, he saw a figure rush forward. The killer may have started following him from one of the above mentioned places. The most logical point would be at the school, which is the last place it says BloodyC0bbler actually passes before heading back. Also, did he notice the person following him specifically because of the fountain? Day 2: + Show Spoiler + Townspeople disappeared back to their homes, to wait out the night armed with shotguns behind hastily constructed barricades. Hastily constructed barricades could be referencing something in particular. However, after a few minutes he became aware of another presence, and nervously backed down from the steps, and started on his way home. What made him aware of that presence? ElyAs moved quickly, breaking into a quick run, hoping to make it back home before he was overtaken. However, he was not to make it. As ElyAs passed by the town courthouse, he noticed that he had already been beaten--the masked figure was sitting on the steps. Somehow the killer made it far enough ahead of Elyas to be sitting on the steps, waiting for him. This is despite Elyas running and the masked figure only following him before. Also, note the wording - he was "beaten" to the steps. Could indicate someone overwhelmingly winning. ElyAs gasped, but in an instant his life had been snuffed out, and the killer walked away with a bloodied knife. It only takes an instant between Elyas noticing the figure and his being killed. This could be simply detailed writing or may be a clue. The same thing applies to the word "snuffed", which could allude to candles. As he reached out to grab the handle, he felt a weight push against him, and he went tumbling out the window. Note that this assailant, unlike any of the others before, was not seen in any way. It is simply "a weight", which when coupled with the window being opened at a sufficient height to kill Barth, could indicate this killer being some kind of "force" or supernatural being, rather than a person. A sickening crack was heard, and the lifeless eyes of barth gazed up at the sky. I already mentioned it above, but feel I should reiterate: The window was high up enough that Barth died upon impact. This means that whoever killed him must have had a way to access the window. This may or may not be relevant, given that there are ways to get around heights, but as none were mentioned I feel it is important to make note of this. Finally, in terms of clues, I've noticed a lot of people talking about the first killing on Day 2 in relation to DT's. I feel I should point this out: A masked figure followed him, and stealthily kept to the shadows, not letting ElyAs out of his sight...As ElyAs passed by the town courthouse, he noticed that he had already been beaten--the masked figure was sitting on the steps. Elyas can see his killer. Not a very convincing DT, if you ask me. Clues get stronger with time, allowing the build-up of connections. We aren't likely to catch anybody Day 1-2 on them, but starting on Day 3 and continuing we will have much greater chances of it. | ||
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DCLXVI
United States729 Posts
And by every post mentioning TheGilaBoy you mean everyone posting "DTs in his profile!" or the fortress-barricade "connection" which is about the townies, not the killer... yes really, please list a few. The only other plausible one I find is the gila monster - poison one. -Really LaXerCannon? do you just want to take the heat off you that you vote 40 hours early? What could possibly have made you make up your mind so quickly about this? | ||
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DCLXVI
United States729 Posts
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littlechava
United States7216 Posts
On June 06 2010 16:03 DCLXVI wrote: Well many of the "clues" that people are making connections to I find to be far fetched. I think that trying to hang someone off the clues is a bad idea and either some stronger connections should be made or we should focus more on reading into what people say and wait for more "clues". Granted ignoring information is a bad idea, I just think that right now we could get farther by reading into what people say since they should be posting more. And by every post mentioning TheGilaBoy you mean everyone posting "DTs in his profile!" or the fortress-barricade "connection" which is about the townies, not the killer... yes really, please list a few. The only other plausible one I find is the gila monster - poison one. -Really LaXerCannon? do you just want to take the heat off you that you vote 40 hours early? What could possibly have made you make up your mind so quickly about this? I think that trying to hang someone off of clues is a bad idea as well. Good job on completely ignoring the first part of my post that you quoted, where I said "I think everyone knows that clue connections are pretty weak in general, and always need to be taken with a grain of salt. Still, they should be pointed out." So basically, you're agreeing with what I said while trying to thrust suspicion onto me. Wtf? Also, yes, the posts that mention clues regarding Thegilaboy mention Dark Templar. That is because Dark Templar are sneaky and kill quickly. The fact that they're sneaky and kill quickly connects them to the clues in the day 2 post. Nowhere in my post about clues did I say "Thegilaboy is definitely mafia and we should lynch him". | ||
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deconduo
Ireland4122 Posts
We should be focusing on people who seem scummy and line up with the clues. | ||
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deconduo
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flamewheel
FREEAGLELAND26780 Posts
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Zyrre
Sweden291 Posts
It only says the townspeople stayed behind their barricades, so should we see this as a clue at all? If it is a clue, I would say it strongly indicates GilaBoy. Also, something I noticed. The masked figure somehow outran him in the day 2 post. Not typical of a DT or spy. There are still other things pointing towards those people with DTs however, but maybe we should try to find something else in that clue. (wasn't able to see anything special myself looking through the profiles) | ||
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MooCow
1434 Posts
Lots of MTF clues+ Show Spoiler + [/B]B]On June 06 2010 15:57 MTF wrote: Alright, let's get started on the fun stuff! Judging from the consistency between the two Day posts, I'm going to say that we have the misfortune of having somewhat random clue placement. This is to say, characters are not strictly going to be tied to clues (which would make it much easier), but rather that any given passage could return valid information on any of the mafia members. This makes it harder to build up a collection of profiles, but I'll be damned if I'm not going to try. Keep in mind that I'm only listing the subtle connections here, and not the more "shout-in-your-face" types. (eg, YellowInk) Suspects Based Off Clues: BumAtLarge: + Show Spoiler + Relevant Clues: + Show Spoiler + Day 1: Incognito the Pardoner, through his tremendous intuition, had sensed that something was to go down last night. Day 2: He walked up to jiabung's body still hung, and began to inspect jiabung, perhaps looking for clues. ... He was at his desk in his library, looking at the pictures of the recently deceased town leaders through his magnifying glass. After carefully analyzing the pictures, he realized he was no step closer to solving this crime. Connection to BumAtLarge: + Show Spoiler + BumAtLarge has a picture of Professor Layton (and Luke) in his profile. Professor Layton is a Sherlock Holmes-esque character who is said to have great intuition, and solves crimes/mysteries throughout the world. Verdict: + Show Spoiler + Not feeling strong enough to lynch off of, but definitely keep in mind. Hugoboss21: + Show Spoiler + Relevant Clues: + Show Spoiler + Day 2: A masked figure followed him, and stealthily kept to the shadows, not letting ElyAs out of his sight. ElyAs moved quickly, breaking into a quick run, hoping to make it back home before he was overtaken. However, he was not to make it. As ElyAs passed by the town courthouse, he noticed that he had already been beaten--the masked figure was sitting on the steps. ElyAs gasped, but in an instant his life had been snuffed out, and the killer walked away with a bloodied knife. Connection to Hugoboss21: + Show Spoiler + "Loves playing medic & spy at TF2". The masked man, the keeping to the shadows, and the instant killing with a knife all point to the spy from TF2. Verdict: + Show Spoiler + Seeing as this ignored the masked figure beating Elyas to the steps and is only based on one Day post, the evidence is insufficient for me to feel any conviction. crate: + Show Spoiler + Relevant Clues: + Show Spoiler + Day 1: Crime he thought, so unlikely in his town. ... Whilst in his office finishing his work, he deflected no less than five assassination attempts, ranging from sniffing poison in his coffee cup to leaping out of the way from a thrown knife while walking down the hallway....Incognito recognized the danger and started backing away quickly, but in one freak moment, the printer exploded and showered Incognito with burning hot ink, hitting him in the face. As Incognito ran outward toward the street to escape, he was struck by a speeding car. Connection to crate: + Show Spoiler + crate's profile quote is from Richard Feynman. It relates to the percieved improbability of things. It seems very improbable that Incognito would survive all of these attempts on his life, just to get sprayed in the face with hot ink and then run into a car. Verdict: + Show Spoiler + I like crate's posting. A lot. And the clue is somewhat convuluted. So, I'm far from sold. MooCow & Tyranos_Nivek: + Show Spoiler + Relevant Clues: + Show Spoiler + Day 1: Whilst in his office finishing his work, he deflected no less than five assassination attempts, ranging from sniffing poison in his coffee cup to leaping out of the way from a thrown knife while walking down the hallway. Day 2: ElyAs moved quickly, breaking into a quick run, hoping to make it back home before he was overtaken. However, he was not to make it. As ElyAs passed by the town courthouse, he noticed that he had already been beaten--the masked figure was sitting on the steps. ... After climbing into the bed, he turned off his light and turned to see his drapes flutter in the wind. He moved to them and saw his window open, shaking his head and not remembering opening the window, he moved to close it...A sickening crack was heard, and the lifeless eyes of barth gazed up at the sky. Connection to MooCow & Tyranos_Nivek: + Show Spoiler + Damn, that's a lot of stuff to be possibly connected to. In any case, both of their public profiles (which I was saddened to learn neither of you wrote) mention that they used to be a CIA agents (poisoning coffee), throws tennis rackets with extreme accuracy (knife), defy the laws of physics (easily beating Barth to the courthouse), and scales walls (Barth wouldn't have died if thrown from the first floor). Verdict: + Show Spoiler + There's simply too many opportunities for red herrings to pop up, given the amount of information available. Plus, I sincerely doubt that Flamewheel/BC would be irresponsible enough to make cluesets using this information when it is the exact same between two people. They'd both need to be Mafia for this to make any sense. Least convincing clue connection to me, overall. General Notes: (This is more or less just a "pay attention to the way things are worded" section to help newer people looking for clues. It will also show some thoughts I have that others might be able to connect to specific people.) Day 1: + Show Spoiler + as per usual for a man of his stature. Gazing down at his desk, Not going to be related to anybody short. Making his way down to the city center, he gazed at the buildings as he passed, the shopping mall that had just been built, the school he went to when he was a kid, just farther down the way a series of small stores and restaurants...he stopped by the fountain in front of the office. It was there he noticed he was being followed. Turning, he saw a figure rush forward. The killer may have started following him from one of the above mentioned places. The most logical point would be at the school, which is the last place it says BloodyC0bbler actually passes before heading back. Also, did he notice the person following him specifically because of the fountain? Day 2: + Show Spoiler + Townspeople disappeared back to their homes, to wait out the night armed with shotguns behind hastily constructed barricades. Hastily constructed barricades could be referencing something in particular. However, after a few minutes he became aware of another presence, and nervously backed down from the steps, and started on his way home. What made him aware of that presence? ElyAs moved quickly, breaking into a quick run, hoping to make it back home before he was overtaken. However, he was not to make it. As ElyAs passed by the town courthouse, he noticed that he had already been beaten--the masked figure was sitting on the steps. Somehow the killer made it far enough ahead of Elyas to be sitting on the steps, waiting for him. This is despite Elyas running and the masked figure only following him before. Also, note the wording - he was "beaten" to the steps. Could indicate someone overwhelmingly winning. ElyAs gasped, but in an instant his life had been snuffed out, and the killer walked away with a bloodied knife. It only takes an instant between Elyas noticing the figure and his being killed. This could be simply detailed writing or may be a clue. The same thing applies to the word "snuffed", which could allude to candles. As he reached out to grab the handle, he felt a weight push against him, and he went tumbling out the window. Note that this assailant, unlike any of the others before, was not seen in any way. It is simply "a weight", which when coupled with the window being opened at a sufficient height to kill Barth, could indicate this killer being some kind of "force" or supernatural being, rather than a person. A sickening crack was heard, and the lifeless eyes of barth gazed up at the sky. I already mentioned it above, but feel I should reiterate: The window was high up enough that Barth died upon impact. This means that whoever killed him must have had a way to access the window. This may or may not be relevant, given that there are ways to get around heights, but as none were mentioned I feel it is important to make note of this. Finally, in terms of clues, I've noticed a lot of people talking about the first killing on Day 2 in relation to DT's. I feel I should point this out: A masked figure followed him, and stealthily kept to the shadows, not letting ElyAs out of his sight...As ElyAs passed by the town courthouse, he noticed that he had already been beaten--the masked figure was sitting on the steps. Elyas can see his killer. Not a very convincing DT, if you ask me. Clues get stronger with time, allowing the build-up of connections. We aren't likely to catch anybody Day 1-2 on them, but starting on Day 3 and continuing we will have much greater chances of it. Yea it was really unfortunate that both Tyranos and I have the same wording in our profiles. If I knew that would of happened I would of gotten something else -_-, but i signed up first with it! I realise everyone is talking about Gilaboy, which is fair enough imo but let's not forget about zeks. His profile pic is of a ninja, although he isn't masked. Zeks also ran for mayor/pardoner role but no one voted for him, in the end he voted for YI. | ||
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Zyrre
Sweden291 Posts
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LaXerCannon
Canada558 Posts
On June 06 2010 16:03 DCLXVI wrote: Well many of the "clues" that people are making connections to I find to be far fetched. I think that trying to hang someone off the clues is a bad idea and either some stronger connections should be made or we should focus more on reading into what people say and wait for more "clues". Granted ignoring information is a bad idea, I just think that right now we could get farther by reading into what people say since they should be posting more. And by every post mentioning TheGilaBoy you mean everyone posting "DTs in his profile!" or the fortress-barricade "connection" which is about the townies, not the killer... yes really, please list a few. The only other plausible one I find is the gila monster - poison one. -Really LaXerCannon? do you just want to take the heat off you that you vote 40 hours early? What could possibly have made you make up your mind so quickly about this? Sorry if you saw it that way, I really just want to vote based on clues. From TheGilaboy, I naturally see the weak DT connection but I also see other connections: ElyAs was being stalked and BloodyC0bbler was as well in day 1 and the fact that he has a stalker in his profile helps, but what really made me vote for him was the fact that the masked figure beat ElyAs to the courthouse even though he was being followed. If the masked figure really passed ElyAs, don't you think the murderer would've killed ElyAs as he passed him? My only plausible explanation is that the masked figure blinked which is an ability for the stalker. | ||
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Misder
United States1557 Posts
I think we should clue check the barricade clue. I new to this game to, so im not sure if clues can be hidden in the description of the people. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ElyAs moved quickly, breaking into a quick run, hoping to make it back home before he was overtaken. However, he was not to make it. As ElyAs passed by the town courthouse, he noticed that he had already been beaten--the masked figure was sitting on the steps. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Somehow the killer made it far enough ahead of Elyas to be sitting on the steps, waiting for him. This is despite Elyas running and the masked figure only following him before. Also, note the wording - he was "beaten" to the steps. Could indicate someone overwhelmingly winning. zeks profile has connections to winning (his quote "winning isn't everything, its the ONLY thing" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- As he reached out to grab the handle, he felt a weight push against him, and he went tumbling out the window. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Note that this assailant, unlike any of the others before, was not seen in any way. It is simply "a weight", which when coupled with the window being opened at a sufficient height to kill Barth, could indicate this killer being some kind of "force" or supernatural being, rather than a person. Icysoul has connections to the pushing barth out of the window. "Nothing can stand in the way of overwhelming power". But don't count AcrossFiveJulys out cause he also has the "weights in gym" | ||
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crate
United States2474 Posts
So, like I said last night, I was planning on following YellowInk's plan to look at about four people. I've chosen onihunter from the thread--I wanted someone with some decent activity to look at but not one of the most visible people (so not any of the mayor candidates, LunarDestiny, MTF, and obviously not myself) and onihunter fits the bill--and randomed the other three. Random.org gave me 13, 8, and 3 (well actually I got icysoul's number 15, but he hasn't said anything nor voted so I picked a replacement since he's likely to be modkilled and there's no point analyzing him if he's just going to die). So today I'll be looking at onihunter, AcrossFiveJulys, MooCow, and Zyrre. My next post will cover onihunter and AFJ, and then I'll get to MooCow and Zyrre later on. Figured I'd annouce my intentions right now though. | ||
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zeks
Canada1068 Posts
Nice to see the increase in activity from people, especially the hard work everyones been putting on clue analysis. The clue analysis actually tells us more than the clues itself. Just wanted to add that in past games the godfather has usually chosen to be a Townie or Veteran. So far we've lost 3 townies (not bad, not the best either) but if we start losing blue roles we can start pointing fingers to the elected roles. | ||
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YellowInk
United States578 Posts
On June 06 2010 22:06 Zyrre wrote: I'll try to post more so the town doesn't have to waste time investigating me simply because of inactivity, but it's harder to post a lot when the majority of the discussion is taking place during my sleeping hours. This goes for everyone of course. You don't need to post when other people are posting. Just put your thoughts out there. Point fingers, defend people, analyze clues, tell us what is on your mind. | ||
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