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XeliN
United Kingdom1755 Posts
I have explained it as fully I can and I hope explained it relatively well. | ||
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johnnyspazz
Taiwan1470 Posts
On April 26 2010 09:27 Radfield wrote: I think most people's mafia sense started tingling after the LAL post. However, I'm going to hold onto my vote for now. Remember it only takes 5 to lynch, and we still have 24hrs to get our votes in. Until we have 9 active posters I still think we need to put pressure on people: Johnnyspazz, Brownbear and (NyC)Hobbes I'm looking at you. i'm not really sure why mafia killed radfield but this is the only post i could find where he attacks people. i would like brownbear and hobbes to talk about why they voted for abenson. On April 27 2010 16:24 XeliN wrote: I don't see that I have that much explaining to do, the first vote of any game is pretty much a crapshoot and Abenson pretty much outlined that he wasn't not being very useful. I was against them initially rushing to vote for Abenson based almost entirely on his LaL posting but then he carried on being unuseful and providing no defence for himself other than accusing people of being scum. while this is true, did you truly think abenson was scum when you voted? in a small game without extra blue roles, lynching is our only way to kill mafia so we don't want to waste lynches. imo, it's better to keep obvious greens alive because it's one more person the mafia have to use a kp on. | ||
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johnnyspazz
Taiwan1470 Posts
On April 28 2010 06:29 XeliN wrote: Ah, I think you're right johnny, he phrased it weirdly and at the time seemed like he was just accusing them of being mafia, what is your response to my justification//explanation of the thought process behind my voting? considering it is my voting (and the way it seemed to contradict with things I had written earlier) that seems to be the main argument for me being potential mafia. I have explained it as fully I can and I hope explained it relatively well. in any other game, i would've probably also voted for abenson but since this is such a small game, i didn't. i just feel like you rushed your vote. atleast you are explaining yourself and looking more green to me. brownbear and hobbes on the other hand need to start talking. Vote: BrownBear | ||
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johnnyspazz
Taiwan1470 Posts
On April 28 2010 01:32 [NyC]HoBbes wrote: I will try to be more active today, but this game is pretty inactive in general right now. the only reason this game is inactive is because people like you are used to skating by in big games where 70% of the posts are made by veterans. you need to start reading closely and sharing your opinions instead of whining about the activity. it's funny to me that people think posting stuff like this will magically get the game going. | ||
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d3_crescentia
United States4053 Posts
On April 28 2010 06:34 johnnyspazz wrote: i'm not really sure why mafia killed radfield but this is the only post i could find where he attacks people. i would like brownbear and hobbes to talk about why they voted for abenson. while this is true, did you truly think abenson was scum when you voted? in a small game without extra blue roles, lynching is our only way to kill mafia so we don't want to waste lynches. imo, it's better to keep obvious greens alive because it's one more person the mafia have to use a kp on. It's interesting that you'd bring up Radfield's comment and then try to link it with asking others to justify Abenson's lynch. It's even more interesting that you'd link Abenson with the term "obvious green." Who else would you say is an actual obvious green? Would you call yourself an obvious green, and why? | ||
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johnnyspazz
Taiwan1470 Posts
in my mind abenson was an obvious green and thats why i didn't vote for him. his posts weren't particularly scummy to me. your vote while partially justified also confuses me because all abenson did was bring up an underlying point in all mafia games. | ||
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XeliN
United Kingdom1755 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + From: d3_crescentia [ 1353 posts | Profile | Buddy ] Subject: Re: are you green? Date: 4/28/10 11:25 I asked if you were green. You said you wouldn't say your role but that you're pro-town. This lead me to believe you were blue, not green - which is why I brought up the curious case of Shockeyy and Ace. Now you say you don't actually have a night action? ----------------------------------------- Original Message: I never said I had a night action, where are you getting this from? ----------------------------------------- Original Message: who did you use your night action on? ----------------------------------------- Original Message: lol is it really that curious that I would say that, what were you expecting "no actually I am mafia!" On brownbear, to me there just simply seems too little info to go on, he has posted sparcely but done nothing overtly mafialike to me and I am far more concerned with others, RoL for one thing as he has had no input whatsoever so far this game. Whats your plan to get more info on Johnny or is it one your keeping close to the chest? ----------------------------------------- Original Message: Curious that you'd say that. It reminds of the one time when Shockeyy roleclaimed to Ace in PM and then Ace got lynched him for it. I think I now understand why Ace did that, even though Shockeyy flipped blue. Did Radfield say anything interesting last night? Sort of curious. I don't have a strong opinion on Johnny yet, but I think I know a way about how to get more information. What about BrownBear? ----------------------------------------- Original Message: You are correct sir! Won't say my actual role but yeah I am pro-town. What are your thoughts on Johnny? im wavering between him actually being suspicious or me just thinking he is because he jumped on an opportunity to cast suspicion on me and tbh i always tend to think people who accuse me are red when I am a town role. Korynne seems somewhat consistent with his posting style in the other mafia game and on a purely statistical basis he is more likely to be green in that one so good sign possibly. ----------------------------------------- Original Message: I think you are green Quite frankly I think it is exceptionally scumlike, he is essentially trying to guage whether or not I am a blue role (or possibly double bluffing trying to see if I am red will no doubt be his argument) but this is most certainly not something that a pro-town player would do, everything about it reeks of scumlike behaviour tbh and currently my Vote is on: d3_cresentia | ||
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d3_crescentia
United States4053 Posts
But hey, if you want to lynch me that's okay. I'll even help you on the way, since it seems like there's nothing in the rules against it. If I'm actually town, the mafia should be jumping with joy to see another townie lynched... but if I'm mafia I'm pretty sure that my own comrade wouldn't vote for me, right? I suppose it all depends on what I flip, and if you're *really* that interested come vote and see. Vote: d3_crescentia | ||
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Korynne
Canada990 Posts
Anyway. There does seem to be an abrupt change of conversation to the night action thing. Last thing XeliN mentions before being "cut off" is: On brownbear, to me there just simply seems too little info to go on, he has posted sparcely but done nothing overtly mafialike to me and I am far more concerned with others, RoL for one thing as he has had no input whatsoever so far this game. Whats your plan to get more info on Johnny or is it one your keeping close to the chest? I don't really know what to make of that... I mean d3 already voted for RoL so we know his opinion of that. I guess his Johnny plan won't really work very well now that XeliN exposed the intent... Uh d3, what are you doing... | ||
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XeliN
United Kingdom1755 Posts
And editing posts is not allowed I'm afraid Kor so your a guy for now! | ||
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Korynne
Canada990 Posts
Say we do catch the active mafia, and one of those 3 is the other mafia, then we have no way of making a decision. Likewise, if 2 of those 3 are mafia, then it's very hard for whoever's left alive by the end of the day to judge which of the 3 are mafia because they've posted so little. However if we lynch one of the inactives the chances of us catching the mafia is like 0~2/3 at best. Clearly the solution is for you people not to be inactive. Help your town out!! | ||
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BrownBear
United States6894 Posts
On April 28 2010 06:39 johnnyspazz wrote: in any other game, i would've probably also voted for abenson but since this is such a small game, i didn't. i just feel like you rushed your vote. atleast you are explaining yourself and looking more green to me. brownbear and hobbes on the other hand need to start talking. Vote: BrownBear Shit, now I have to defend myself in both games?  I voted for Abenson for 3 reasons: 1. I read Korynne's post: QUOTE]On April 26 2010 06:44 Korynne wrote: Vote Abenson Reason: He's brought up rather stupid things twice already, which is way more than anyone else. #1 LAL Policy Pretty impossible to verify obviously, not to mention if we catch someone lying we can easily deal with it (ie. someone is mafia, lies and says he is townie, lynch him, no brainer. someone is medic and lies and says he is townie to protect himself, obviously we shouldn't lynch him). Either way, this is such an arbitrary idea and plenty of people have poked plenty of holes in it. #2 Someone claiming DT and lynching a townie Well DUH if someone claims he rolechecked someone and claims that the rolecheck turns out mafia then CLEARLY the guy is lying and is either mafia or a COMPLETELY RETARDED townie If you are townie and you think someone is scum you don't claim them to be mafia through rolecheck. You provide good evidence to town that he is mafia and get him lynched that way. Completely dumb example. >.> Given that this is day 1, I don't think I will find someone else who is being as distracting to the town (this reminds me of BM assassin plan in the other mafia game where everyone just ends up talking about it for like 5 pages even though it's completely useless) so I am voting for Abenson unless something else turns out.[/QUOTE] and it makes sense. I liked the LaL policy at first, but then I thought about it seriously, and yeah, it's pretty dumb. 2. Abenson's track record. He tends to go inactive and be useless. We usually don't have anything to go on on day 1 anyway, so, hey, y'know, that's at least a starting point. Is it kind of a crapshoot? Yes, but then, most day 1 voting is. 3. At that point, there were 5 votes on Abenson already, so my vote essentially did not matter. I could have voted for anyone and Abenson still would have been lynched. So why do you care? As for who to vote for today: Looks like today's punching bag of choice is d3, at least so far, so lets analyze! First, XeliN's PM: On April 28 2010 11:43 XeliN wrote: This is a PM conversation I have had with d3_cresentia, read from the bottom up, first message is his to me + Show Spoiler + From: d3_crescentia [ 1353 posts | Profile | Buddy ] Subject: Re: are you green? Date: 4/28/10 11:25 I asked if you were green. You said you wouldn't say your role but that you're pro-town. This lead me to believe you were blue, not green - which is why I brought up the curious case of Shockeyy and Ace. Now you say you don't actually have a night action? ----------------------------------------- Original Message: I never said I had a night action, where are you getting this from? ----------------------------------------- Original Message: who did you use your night action on? ----------------------------------------- Original Message: lol is it really that curious that I would say that, what were you expecting "no actually I am mafia!" On brownbear, to me there just simply seems too little info to go on, he has posted sparcely but done nothing overtly mafialike to me and I am far more concerned with others, RoL for one thing as he has had no input whatsoever so far this game. Whats your plan to get more info on Johnny or is it one your keeping close to the chest? ----------------------------------------- Original Message: Curious that you'd say that. It reminds of the one time when Shockeyy roleclaimed to Ace in PM and then Ace got lynched him for it. I think I now understand why Ace did that, even though Shockeyy flipped blue. Did Radfield say anything interesting last night? Sort of curious. I don't have a strong opinion on Johnny yet, but I think I know a way about how to get more information. What about BrownBear? ----------------------------------------- Original Message: You are correct sir! Won't say my actual role but yeah I am pro-town. What are your thoughts on Johnny? im wavering between him actually being suspicious or me just thinking he is because he jumped on an opportunity to cast suspicion on me and tbh i always tend to think people who accuse me are red when I am a town role. Korynne seems somewhat consistent with his posting style in the other mafia game and on a purely statistical basis he is more likely to be green in that one so good sign possibly. ----------------------------------------- Original Message: I think you are green Quite frankly I think it is exceptionally scumlike, he is essentially trying to guage whether or not I am a blue role (or possibly double bluffing trying to see if I am red will no doubt be his argument) but this is most certainly not something that a pro-town player would do, everything about it reeks of scumlike behaviour tbh and currently my Vote is on: d3_cresentia Furthermore, here is Bill Murray's list of potential layouts (it's Radfield's quote, but it's still correct): On April 25 2010 00:55 Radfield wrote: We have 4 possible setup options: Setup 1 1 roleblocker 1 goon 5 townies 1 detective 1 medic - Setup 2 1 mafia goon 1 mafia roleblocker 7 townies - Setup 3 2 mafia goons 1 cop 6 townies - Setup 4 2 mafia goons 1 medic 6 townies Notice how our options are: cop, medic, detective. All of these have a night action. Yet d3 says he has none. Whoops. If you were green, you would have just claimed "townie" and that would have been it. So you're either blue or red, but you have no night action? Either: You are scum, You are actually blue, but you're just an idiot. Afterwards, he votes for himself. Out of spite? If he really were blue, he'd probably be defending himself far more vigorously. Thus, I think he's scum. Vote: d3_cresentia | ||
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d3_crescentia
United States4053 Posts
Thank you so much. Let's get this out of the way, first. Vote: BrownBear | ||
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Korynne
Canada990 Posts
*goes to actually read your post* | ||
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d3_crescentia
United States4053 Posts
Secondly, your vote DID matter, as there were only 3 votes on Abenson (myself, Korynne, Hobbes) at the time, and yours was the fourth. This is your second critical mistake - misrepresenting your own voting history. On that note, XeliN's vote was the one that decided it, and while I'd be happy to see what color he actually flips I'm fairly certain that you're the better target. Your last critical mistake - posting an analysis that wasn't really an analysis at all, all so you could have a reason to jump on my bandwagon. Any player with a significant stake in the situation would rush forward to defend themselves vigorously, no matter if s/he was blue OR red (or some green with a massive sense of self-importance). Either your reading comprehension is severely lacking, or that you're deliberately misrepresenting the situation. In any case, it's not something we want to see in a pro-town player. The other thing about it is that I actually don't care if I die so long as it gets a few reds in the process. You've just shown yourself to be pretty red now, though we'll see if you actually turn out to be scum or just embarrassed. =] So, care to revise your thoughts, BrownBear? | ||
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Korynne
Canada990 Posts
You realize 2 votes puts us at L-[# of mafia alive]. Notice how our options are: cop, medic, detective. All of these have a night action. Yet d3 says he has none. Whoops. If you were green, you would have just claimed "townie" and that would have been it. So you're either blue or red, but you have no night action? Uh, isn't cop and detective the same thing? -.- I'm confused about what you meant at all in that quote... | ||
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XeliN
United Kingdom1755 Posts
Cresentia you are acting most strangely this game compared to how you usually are in mafia games, your defence seams weak and illogical, you voted for yourself...? now you are still posting clear mistakes//lies in Xelin's the one that's actually claimed that said he doesn't have a night action No, I, Did, Not. However, I agree with you that browns analysis does seem really lacking, but from what I know of you, you would highlight this, explain how how he is wrong in his reasoning and possibly place FoS because of it. Not jump to "Oh i had better lynch BrownBear now".. you really are acting unusually to me and it's making my thoughts that you are mafia all the stronger. I'm going to have to go over the other thread to try to get more of an idea on brown though. | ||
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Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
2 votes for brownbear (johnnyspazz, d3_crescentia) 2 votes for d3_crescentia (XeliN, BrownBear) | ||
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johnnyspazz
Taiwan1470 Posts
On April 28 2010 14:59 XeliN wrote: umm... did you read her post? d3 didn't just say, "brownbear, your analysis sucks." she poked many holes in brownbear's defense and specified exactly what was "wrong" with it. is this a pathetic attempt at trying to get the suspicion off your scum teammate?However, I agree with you that browns analysis does seem really lacking, but from what I know of you, you would highlight this, explain how how he is wrong in his reasoning and possibly place FoS because of it. Not jump to "Oh i had better lynch BrownBear now".. you really are acting unusually to me and it's making my thoughts that you are mafia all the stronger. On April 28 2010 13:51 BrownBear wrote: LaL is only stupid if you use extreme examples to counter it. LaL is how every single mafia game should be played since nine times out of ten, the mafia players are lying. how can anyone say lynching liars is a bad thing? your defense is just plain awful; you make so many bad points. d3 has already pointed some of them out for me.I liked the LaL policy at first, but then I thought about it seriously, and yeah, it's pretty dumb. i wouldn't be surprised if both xelin and brownbear are both scum. right now, all of their posts reek of scum. can we lynch these two already? | ||
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Korynne
Canada990 Posts
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