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BILL MURRAY'S Life Aquatic Mini Mafia
Day 1 Lynch
Night 1 Ends
Intro:
Welcome to the Bill Murray's LAMM. While the objectives of the game are the same as those of the larger games previously hosted on here on TL.net, the setup of this game will be slightly different. As usual, the game will alternate between the day cycle, where the town will be able to discuss and vote to lynch one member of the town, and the night cycle, where the mafia will get to decide which player to kill. Also, all blue roles with night actions may act via PM during the night cycle only. A mafia player count greater than or equal to the innocent player count results in a mafia win, while the elimination of all mafia players results in a town win. If neither of these conditions are met, the day/night cycle continues as usual.
What is different about this game? Well, for one, mafia operate on 1 KP rules. This means that mafia get 1 KP per night throughout the game regardless of the number of mafia alive. Secondly, the voting rules have been slightly altered. If at any point a single player has the majority of votes, the day will end whether we have reached the time limit for the day cycle. Therefore, a day might be cut short if the town reaches a consensus quickly. Thirdly, a person has to have a majority of the votes to be killed, or there will be a no lynch. The role setup will be of my choosing. I will post a list of the possible roles that are in the game. Each role may or may not be used in the game setup. However mafia number will stay consistent at 2 for an 10 player game.
Rules:
Voting:
1. You must post your vote in this thread in bold and red. 2. Votes should be made in this format: Vote: Foolishness
3. You can not autochange your vote to the losing or winning bandwagon. 4. You may abstain, but must let me know: ie: "I abstain" and it better be in bold red.. 5. If the final vote count is less than the required number to lynch, there will not be a lynch. 6. You may vote for a no lynch. If a majority of the people vote for a no lynch, the day ends without anyone's death.
Cheating:
Cheating includes (but is not limited to) the following and will get you banned from future games: 1. Creating or using an alternate ("smurf") account to play/post in this game. Players are getting very sick of this. Don't do it to have two characters in the game. Don't do it to post/PM anonymously. Don't do it for anything. 2. Posting after death. One polite goodbye post is acceptable but please do not post anything which could POSSIBLY affect the game. 3. Betraying your role and ruining the game for everyone by doing something like hand out your mafia's member list to the town. 4. Logging on to someone else's account / checking their PMs / looking over someone's shoulder to get their role. 5. Comparing role PM times to determine roles. 6. Posting screenshots of your inbox. This is not a photoshop competition. 7. No post editing. Do not do it for any reason.
Clues:
There are no clues. So don't look for them.
Time cycle:
Day/Night cycle will be 48/24 hours, subject to change. I will end the night whenever I get all night actions in. I will end the day whenever someone is majority lynched, or whenever 48 hours has ended (with a possible limbo if the vote is tied). I will begin the night after I have deemed the twilight to be long enough in between day and night. The day may end with a no lynch if the vote is tied and it is not rectified in an appropriate time period.
Ban List: I will accept any players
Modkills: Hopefully I don't have to. However, if you miss a vote where the day goes to a no lynch, I might have you replaced if you are inactive.
Credits: Anyone I forgot, Big thanks to Flamewheel, Incognito, Chuiu, Ace, Tracil, Caller, Dreamflower, BloodyC0bbler, Qatol, Ver, LTT, Pyrrhuloxia, and Plexa for taking the time to run mafia games for us. Also to Chuiu for the TL Mafia banner.
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Those among the living: korynne
Those that have died: Abenson, Radfield, johnnyspazz, XeliN, Brownbear, [NyC]Hobbes, d3_crescentia, RoL
1 of 2 mafia remain 0 of 7 town players remain 1 of 9 players remain
Mafia victory!
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Townie You may just be a normal player but you are the backbone of the town. Your goal, with the special roles of the town, is to help bring the Mafia to justice. You get no special powers but the ability to vote during day. Blue Roles may look pretty but the real power lies with you! If you get a green role, don't fret! Just play the game.
Detective You have the ability to make night investigations. Once per night phase, you may perform a role check on a player. The results of the role checks will be returned to you with the next day post. You will also see if someone is bloody with your night action. The check to see if someone is bloody supercedes their laundering of the night, so if both actions occur you all know which one occurs first. you may use a role check every night Medic You have the ability to prevent one hit on a player of your choice during the night. Each paramedic can only stop one hit and as such if the number of mafia is greater than the number of paramedics on a player then that player will die. You will know if you saved the person. The person will know if he was saved. If you are protecting a veteran, and they are hit, your ability supersedes theirs. You cannot protect yourself. A medic can protect someone the night she/he gets killed. They won't be notified of their save though, since they are dead.
Roleblocker: Each night, you may choose one person to roleblock. That person's night action is canceled for the night. The person blocked will be notified that they were roleblocked if they tried to perform a night action, but will not know who blocked them. You receive no explicit information as a result of your roleblock.
Mafia Goon: Your goal is to eliminate everyone else in the town. Your ability, as a group, is killing off whomever you decide on at night.
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With 3 alive, it is 2 to lynch. 2 votes for BrownBear (korynne, XeliN) 1 vote for Korynne (BrownBear)
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signing up
let's play some srs business mafia
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/Sign up too, should be fun
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Looks fun, I wanna join! /sign in
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Signing up!
Just making sure, I don't need to know anything about the Life Aquatic right? xD
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I think the induction ability of the GF is Immoral Why? Many people work their hearts out for the town, doing analysis, putting in countless hours to catch the mafia. Suddenly the player gets inducted and all the effort he put into it is voided.
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FREEAGLELAND26780 Posts
On April 18 2010 12:20 Bill Murray wrote: Credits: Flamewheel, Incognito, Chuiu, Ace, Tracil, Caller, BloodyC0bbler, Qatol, Ver, LTT, Pyrrhuloxia, and Plexa for taking the time to run mafia games for us. Also to Chuiu for the TL Mafia banner. You forgot dreamflower! (And citi.zen for this current one, but it's after the game is done...)
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On April 19 2010 08:00 Korynne wrote: Signing up!
Just making sure, I don't need to know anything about the Life Aquatic right? xD
na you're good the roles will just have cute names from the movie
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On April 19 2010 11:16 flamewheel91 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2010 12:20 Bill Murray wrote: Credits: Flamewheel, Incognito, Chuiu, Ace, Tracil, Caller, BloodyC0bbler, Qatol, Ver, LTT, Pyrrhuloxia, and Plexa for taking the time to run mafia games for us. Also to Chuiu for the TL Mafia banner. You forgot dreamflower! (And citi.zen for this current one, but it's after the game is done...) dreamflower yes, myself definitely not! GL with your game Bill.
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FREEAGLELAND26780 Posts
Also, Bill--you have to change the rules a bit, or at least clarify a bit for people, since it'll be sure to come up later. Watched means that the person is being targeted by a night action, that is to say a protect, investigate, role block (can happen, but rare, eh?), SK target... etc.
It still seems very strong in this format, given that there will only be 12 people (from what I see?) having GF, RB, in addition to having the GF power is quite strong. Also, does the SK have any power besides his NK? Either way, if we're following on the 8-3-1 ratio, the town's in trouble real fast if it doesn't lynch correctly due to mafia kill and SK kill. Town seems weak :/
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I'll play, if I'm allowed to play in this and the big mafia game at the same time
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got you both, going to a friends for a bit. i will send out roles whenever the game fills.
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FREEAGLELAND26780 Posts
So this is done balancing, Bill?
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On April 21 2010 02:45 flamewheel91 wrote: So this is done balancing, Bill? Psssh.... balancing is for acrobats and clowns.
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FREEAGLELAND26780 Posts
On April 21 2010 03:29 citi.zen wrote:Psssh.... balancing is for acrobats and clowns. And meddlers.
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I will play! I like these smaller versions :D
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upon reading this though, that gf power is a little fucked in such a small game.
If hypothetically the mafia converted the serial killer, he would retain his powers, correct?
Meaning +1 kills for mafia
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On April 21 2010 02:45 flamewheel91 wrote: So this is done balancing, Bill?
We'll see how many people we can get
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On April 21 2010 04:51 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:upon reading this though, that gf power is a little fucked in such a small game. If hypothetically the mafia converted the serial killer, he would retain his powers, correct? Meaning +1 kills for mafia
didn't mean to have that in there, i had copy-pasted some roles from another game, and didn't realize it had been tweaked.
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This needs a few more people, I would suggest mass pm spamming people bill untill they fold under the pressure.
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Cool I recognize a lot of the wording in the OP. Seems familiar some how...
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
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On April 21 2010 09:49 Incognito wrote:Cool I recognize a lot of the wording in the OP. Seems familiar some how...
lol :p
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FREEAGLELAND26780 Posts
On April 21 2010 09:49 Incognito wrote:Cool I recognize a lot of the wording in the OP. Seems familiar some how... Same here. You can talk to me when signups are done, Bill. I'll talk to you about this.
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On April 21 2010 14:30 flamewheel91 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2010 09:49 Incognito wrote:Cool I recognize a lot of the wording in the OP. Seems familiar some how... Same here. You can talk to me when signups are done, Bill. I'll talk to you about this. Mm. There's a chunk in the role list I recognize as well. But the kicker is that apparently I haven't hosted any games in the past, including a game he played in. Ah well, I suppose it is hard work checking to make sure all the sentences are accurate, which is why I myself didn't make a list of names.
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hey, this is meant to be fun, and i'm trying to do a service here. all i need is +1 and i can run a basic f11
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
c'mon people sign up. We only need a couple more and we can get rockin
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game will either be:
1 roleblocker 1 goon 5 townies 1 detective 1 medic
- 1 mafia goon 1 mafia roleblocker 7 townies - 2 mafia goons 1 cop 6 townies - 2 mafia goons 1 medic 6 townies -
if I could get 12 people I would do like 1 detective 1 medic 1 vig 6 townies 2 goons 1 mafia detective/roleblocker/whatever
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Come on people join, this only needs a couple more to get started!
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we actually only need 1 more, but it would be nice to have 4 more and replacements on deck
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FREEAGLELAND26780 Posts
Thank god the GF is gone...
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Day 1 will begin at 9PM EST tonight
Role PMs have been sent out.
I used a 4 sided die to role between the 4 setups of F11
Game is now starting! HF and hopefully GG guys
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Wee 2 games at the same time. (Does that make me a "dual leaguer"? :o)
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Radfield
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A quick recap given all the changes that this game has gone through:
9 Players:
d3_crescentia abenson korynne XeliN [NyC]Hobbes JohnnySpazz BrownBear Radfield RebirthofLegend
We have 4 possible setup options:
Setup 1 1 roleblocker 1 goon 5 townies 1 detective 1 medic - Setup 2 1 mafia goon 1 mafia roleblocker 7 townies - Setup 3 2 mafia goons 1 cop 6 townies - Setup 4 2 mafia goons 1 medic 6 townies
Presumably no one, not even the mafia, can know the setup just yet, but blues and reds can narrow it down. We may have a medic, we may have a cop, we may have both or none. In the event of setup 2 or 4 we need to be very active posters, as it's the only way we can catch mafia(no detective). But regardless of setup we need to be active anyways, the more active we are the more likely we can hit a mafia with our lynches. If you're a townie, which most of us are, you need to be super active.
Lynching: My thoughts on lynching are that until we get 9 active posters, our target is inactive people: we won't be able to win if the mafia can hide out as inactives. Of course we don't even need to lynch at all, particularly considering that mis-lynching effectively doubles the mafia kp. However, I still think we should target all inactives, in an effort to create more active players. Agree? Disagree? Lets hear it.
Detective(if there is one): Keep in mind that you only have 12 hrs to put in your rolecheck, given that the day will end after a successful lynch, you need to be active and checking the thread. A good idea is to send in your next nights RC during the day, to ensure that you don't miss it, you can always update it later on if you change your mind.
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i changed it back to 48/24
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I guess first day will always kind of be an inactive kill.
Is that a good thing though? I mean inactives are usually townies who are disappointed because they didn't get a role. Even if the inactive was a mafia, it doesn't help us at all find the other mafia because the first guy left no clues.
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
On April 25 2010 00:59 Bill Murray wrote: i changed it back to 48/24
Ah, didn't catch that, thanks for the correction.
On April 25 2010 01:23 Korynne wrote: I guess first day will always kind of be an inactive kill.
Is that a good thing though? I mean inactives are usually townies who are disappointed because they didn't get a role. Even if the inactive was a mafia, it doesn't help us at all find the other mafia because the first guy left no clues.
There's nothing sadder than someone who goes inactive because they're green. I mean, 7 of the 9 people in this game might be green.
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
Is that a good thing though? I mean inactives are usually townies who are disappointed because they didn't get a role. Even if the inactive was a mafia, it doesn't help us at all find the other mafia because the first guy left no clues.
I'm not sure if it is necessarily a good thing either. But at the very least the threat should be there, and we should call those people out, so that lurking mafia(or townies) are forced to post, and not just float by on the bare minimum.
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Well yes I agree that inactive greens is a sad sight. Lynching an inactive seems rather useless though.
Hypothetically speaking everyone should want to live, so everyone will post. Lynching an inactive forces mafia to speak, but if everyone is pretty active around the end of the day I don't think it's fair to just pick the last person who spoke up. We just happen to be on TL first when Bill Murray posted.
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
Absolutely, if we have 9 active players, there's no need to lynch anyone based on activity. We'll hopefully have more than enough scummyness going around to make a decision.
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Hopefully, with such a small game, inactivity won't be a problem. Especially considering how even one inactive can tip the balance of the game in favor of the mafia really really quickly.
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well... interestingly a cop or medic can instantly rule out some setups...
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The point is that any one character cannot determine the setup of the game.
As in if you are a DT, you know it's one of two setups. If you are a medic, it's one of two setups.
If you are mafia and you have a roleblocker, you also can only narrow it down to two setups.
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Quick comment: Where did that setup list come from? Just find it kind of odd that Setup 2 would have 1RB and no blues, but I'm guessing that's the point?
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Like I said, the point is so mafia doesn't know for sure which setup it is.
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On April 25 2010 04:42 d3_crescentia wrote: Quick comment: Where did that setup list come from? Just find it kind of odd that Setup 2 would have 1RB and no blues, but I'm guessing that's the point?
this is f11 on mafiascum, or at least that's where it is from.
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Alright, I would like to propose a policy: LAL What does it mean? Lynch All Liars This policy is proposed with the mindset that townies have nothing to hide, and that the mafia are the one that needs to conceal something.
Your thoughts?
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I guess I missed sign-ups?
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On April 25 2010 10:17 Abenson wrote: Alright, I would like to propose a policy: LAL What does it mean? Lynch All Liars This policy is proposed with the mindset that townies have nothing to hide, and that the mafia are the one that needs to conceal something.
Your thoughts? i think this is generally a good idea but it can't be applied for all cases. blues roles sometimes need to lie to protect themselves. we could easily lynch a detective or medic cause they lied so that mafia wouldn't hit them at night. lets get the ball rolling in this game.
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FREEAGLELAND26780 Posts
This game does not count toward Abenson's ban.
Also: Bill you could sign Chezinu up for an alternate spot.
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chezinu can join, i'll give him a 3rd party role
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On April 25 2010 10:17 Abenson wrote: Alright, I would like to propose a policy: LAL What does it mean? Lynch All Liars This policy is proposed with the mindset that townies have nothing to hide, and that the mafia are the one that needs to conceal something.
Your thoughts? How are you even supposed to catch someone in a lie until AFTER you lynch them or get them DT checked? When are you actually going to expect a DT/Medic to publicly claim in this game? And even if Mafia were to claim DT, they have a good chance of getting away with it by picking townies at random to "check."
Vote: Abenson
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3 players need to confirm in the thread still
XeliN [NyC]Hobbes RebirthofLegend
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sorry, confirm. I will catch up in a bit.
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Yeah Cresntia, I am inclined to agree. The LAL policy is implied in each game, if you can strait prove someone is lying then you lynch them. 9/10 its a mafia incentive to lie, however proving that in a game with no PMing is nearly impossible.
It seems like you are aiming for activity/discussion so I won't write you off immediately, but please don't fucking go inactive again, activity is so important in an 11 person setup, every person matters role or not.
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however proving that in a game with no PMing is nearly impossible.
I don't mind players pming.
PM away
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confirm, was going to post earlier but ended up going out and getting pretty wasted so going to lay down drink water and watch house until the desire to move hits me. I'll post properly later on mainly wanted to confirm.
I personally think LaL is not great neccesarily as it is strategically limiting although I can't see it being overly applicable this game given the set up//ups.
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
On April 25 2010 10:17 Abenson wrote: Alright, I would like to propose a policy: LAL What does it mean? Lynch All Liars This policy is proposed with the mindset that townies have nothing to hide, and that the mafia are the one that needs to conceal something.
Your thoughts?
This seems to me to be quite obvious in this set-up. We might not even have any power roles at all, so the only people who would be lying are the mafia.
On April 25 2010 11:24 johnnyspazz wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2010 10:17 Abenson wrote: Alright, I would like to propose a policy: LAL What does it mean? Lynch All Liars This policy is proposed with the mindset that townies have nothing to hide, and that the mafia are the one that needs to conceal something.
Your thoughts? i think this is generally a good idea but it can't be applied for all cases. blues roles sometimes need to lie to protect themselves. we could easily lynch a detective or medic cause they lied so that mafia wouldn't hit them at night. lets get the ball rolling in this game.
I don't think the detective has any reason to lie either. With no godfather in this game, the detective can be certain of every rolecheck. As the detective finds more and more townies, he or she can bring them on board with PM's. The DT would let each of the confirmed townies know who the other confirmed townies are, so that in the event of the DT getting killed, the info is still out there.
One danger here is that the mafia could fake being the DT, but it should become obvious eventually given that they will likely stumble upon another Medic or DT and screw themselves. Or just that they fail to ever find any mafia, so we lynch them, and either end up with a dead mafia, or a dead dt + a list of confirmed townies.
Obviously if the DT finds the medic(assuming we have both[25% chance]) then we know for sure our DT is legit. The medic can simply protect the DT for the rest of the game, and the DT can let other confirmed townies know who the medic is, so that if the medic dies, all the confirmed townies will know the dt is legit. Is that making sense?
This is the first game I've played with PM's, so these things may be obvious to some people but I'm still thinking them through. Without a dt I'm not sure how much good PM's do us, as there is no way to verify anyone.
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Abenson, can you give me an example where LAL has a practical application in this setup, yet isn't completely obvious.
Johnnyspazz, can you give me an example where in this setup one of our blue roles would have a reason to lie to avoid getting hit by mafia, and possibly get caught in that lie.
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Lynch all Liars seems to be the best policy to me. Has the game officially started yet, or are we just kinda talking while waiting here?
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On April 25 2010 17:31 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: Yeah Cresntia, I am inclined to agree. The LAL policy is implied in each game, if you can strait prove someone is lying then you lynch them. 9/10 its a mafia incentive to lie, however proving that in a game with no PMing is nearly impossible.
It seems like you are aiming for activity/discussion so I won't write you off immediately, but please don't fucking go inactive again, activity is so important in an 11 person setup, every person matters role or not. I am aiming for activity/discussion; I wouldn't have signed up for this game otherwise. Also, I'm sick and thus I have a good amount of free time in the next few days. Also, this time there's no Italian internet to screw me over.
On April 26 2010 02:17 BrownBear wrote: Lynch all Liars seems to be the best policy to me. Has the game officially started yet, or are we just kinda talking while waiting here? The game has started. Bill didn't put up a fancy Day 1 post, so... *shrug*. All we need now is [nyc]hobbes to chime in.
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Am confirming, sorry, wasnt home all day yesterday.
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crescentia is your vote on Abenson serious and because you actually suspect he might be mafia because of his suggestion or more like a placeholder for now?
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Radfield that sounds great and all but here are the 4 possible scenerios:
#1 Detective + Medic, in which case the strategy would work very nicely
#2 Townies... in which case we all sit around and wait to die because there's no DT?
#3 There is a detective, but that can never be confirmed because the mafia can counterclaim detective.
#4 There is a medic... in which case we're all sitting around again, but at least the mafia can't pretend to be detective easily (someone asks DT to rolecheck them, mafia wouldn't know if they are medic or townie).
So in any case, I've never played a PM-allowed mafia game before, what exactly do the rest of us do while the detective is collecting his circle of townies?
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Alright, for example... A guy role claims DT What do we do? We can: A) Blindly follow him and lynch whoever he claims is scum?
Lynching whoever
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OMG I tried to indent by pressing tab... and then pressed enter by accident... Ignore that post :O
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Alright, for example... A guy role claims DT and claims he has found a scum We lynch whoever he claimed is scum, and he is a townie What do we do? We can:
A) Lynch him This is because we assume that if he is townie he has no reason to lie to us.
B)Not lynch him Why? He may be just a stupid townie that thought the person he claimed was scum really was scum. He may be trying to convince the town that the guy is scum by claiming DT
This example is really vague, but I'm just trying to simulate a situation.
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On April 25 2010 18:11 Bill Murray wrote: I don't mind players pming. PM away
Detective, you are the player with the most power in the game (if you exist, of course) With the ability to PM and rolecheck, you can essentially form a mason, "inviting" a player into your group daily.
If you do find a scum during your rolecheck, it is suggested that you form a small group of townies that trust you so that you can kill the scum if the other half of the town doesn't believe you. Basically, don't role claim early
If you find yourself a medic, all the better.
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On April 25 2010 13:41 d3_crescentia wrote: Vote: Abenson
Is this a serious vote? :O I usually randomly vote just for the hell of it at the start of a game... So I'll just ask you, do you actually think I'm scum? :D
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Hmm... I've been on TL for like 4 months now does that mean I'll evolve when i hit 500? o.o
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Abenson it seems fairly self explanatory that if someone claims DT and submits to town the name of someone he claims if Red and it then transpires that person is townie that we lynch the DT claimer. There are no Masons in this game so there is no opportunity for a DT to put a townie forwards as a Scum candidate. As I said this is all self-explanatory though, we don't really need to discuss this although tbh there is not a huge ammount to discuss at this point in the game, I would like to hear cresentia outline exactly why he voted for you though.
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Was one step away from editing then so it read more clearly, habits are hard to break ^^
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Radfield
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On April 26 2010 05:02 Korynne wrote: Radfield that sounds great and all but here are the 4 possible scenerios:
#1 Detective + Medic, in which case the strategy would work very nicely
#2 Townies... in which case we all sit around and wait to die because there's no DT?
#3 There is a detective, but that can never be confirmed because the mafia can counterclaim detective.
#4 There is a medic... in which case we're all sitting around again, but at least the mafia can't pretend to be detective easily (someone asks DT to rolecheck them, mafia wouldn't know if they are medic or townie).
So in any case, I've never played a PM-allowed mafia game before, what exactly do the rest of us do while the detective is collecting his circle of townies?
Yeah, much of my post pertains to a DT, I was just thinking through the role and how best to play it in this situation. But whether there is or is not a dt, obviously we still all hunt scum as best we can.
As far as situation #3, we can confirm our detective. Once we have enough info, we can lynch the detective and all of that info becomes verified. Of course we would only do that if it benefited us to do so, or if we became suspicious of the detective. In the event of two people claiming detective, that can easily be cleared up, and we have a 50/50 shot of hitting the mafia first(although theoretically BOTH mafia could claim dt)
PrePost Edit: I was going to respond to Abensons example, but Xelin beat me to it I see.
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Vote Abenson
Reason: He's brought up rather stupid things twice already, which is way more than anyone else.
#1 LAL Policy Pretty impossible to verify obviously, not to mention if we catch someone lying we can easily deal with it (ie. someone is mafia, lies and says he is townie, lynch him, no brainer. someone is medic and lies and says he is townie to protect himself, obviously we shouldn't lynch him).
Either way, this is such an arbitrary idea and plenty of people have poked plenty of holes in it.
#2 Someone claiming DT and lynching a townie Well DUH if someone claims he rolechecked someone and claims that the rolecheck turns out mafia then CLEARLY the guy is lying and is either mafia or a COMPLETELY RETARDED townie If you are townie and you think someone is scum you don't claim them to be mafia through rolecheck. You provide good evidence to town that he is mafia and get him lynched that way.
Completely dumb example. >.>
Given that this is day 1, I don't think I will find someone else who is being as distracting to the town (this reminds me of BM assassin plan in the other mafia game where everyone just ends up talking about it for like 5 pages even though it's completely useless) so I am voting for Abenson unless something else turns out.
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On April 26 2010 04:29 XeliN wrote: crescentia is your vote on Abenson serious and because you actually suspect he might be mafia because of his suggestion or more like a placeholder for now? A little bit of column A, a little bit of column B. It's hard to get a good read on Abenson given past histories - he's played exactly the same way no matter what his alignment was in previous games, and it becomes increasingly difficult to figure that out as the game drags on longer because his posts still wouldn't contain anything to analyze.
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On April 26 2010 07:05 d3_crescentia wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2010 04:29 XeliN wrote: crescentia is your vote on Abenson serious and because you actually suspect he might be mafia because of his suggestion or more like a placeholder for now? A little bit of column A, a little bit of column B. It's hard to get a good read on Abenson given past histories - he's played exactly the same way no matter what his alignment was in previous games, and it becomes increasingly difficult to figure that out as the game drags on longer because his posts still wouldn't contain anything to analyze.
Hmm... It's true, I have a really bad record in TL Mafia
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
I think most people's mafia sense started tingling after the LAL post. However, I'm going to hold onto my vote for now. Remember it only takes 5 to lynch, and we still have 24hrs to get our votes in. Until we have 9 active posters I still think we need to put pressure on people: Johnnyspazz, Brownbear and (NyC)Hobbes I'm looking at you.
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
We can't let the mafia hide out while we lynch suspicious townies.
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I don't think that Abenson is likely, or more likely than anyone else, to be mafia simply from his LaL posting. It does seem to be something that is fairly pointless and somewhat meaningless although it's not like you can argue he used it to divert discussion or direct focus away from something else because hardly anything has been discussed at this point.
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For now I would propose lynching the least active person, although this is only in the case where someone has posted like 1-2 posts or not at all, if everyone in the game is reasonably active then currently I would be down for lynching someone randomly.
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FREEAGLELAND26780 Posts
This is quite an amusing game, keke.
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We will be watching youuuuuu~
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People who voted for me: d3 and Korynne
From what I see (and from my point view), you tried to start a lynch on me, but stopped as everyone else spoke out against it.
scum-signs? :D
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Response from LAL:
On April 25 2010 13:41 d3_crescentia wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2010 10:17 Abenson wrote: Alright, I would like to propose a policy: LAL What does it mean? Lynch All Liars This policy is proposed with the mindset that townies have nothing to hide, and that the mafia are the one that needs to conceal something.
Your thoughts? How are you even supposed to catch someone in a lie until AFTER you lynch them or get them DT checked? When are you actually going to expect a DT/Medic to publicly claim in this game? And even if Mafia were to claim DT, they have a good chance of getting away with it by picking townies at random to "check." Vote: Abenson
On April 26 2010 06:44 Korynne wrote: Vote Abenson
Reason: He's brought up rather stupid things twice already, which is way more than anyone else.
#1 LAL Policy Pretty impossible to verify obviously, not to mention if we catch someone lying we can easily deal with it (ie. someone is mafia, lies and says he is townie, lynch him, no brainer. someone is medic and lies and says he is townie to protect himself, obviously we shouldn't lynch him).
Either way, this is such an arbitrary idea and plenty of people have poked plenty of holes in it.
#2 Someone claiming DT and lynching a townie Well DUH if someone claims he rolechecked someone and claims that the rolecheck turns out mafia then CLEARLY the guy is lying and is either mafia or a COMPLETELY RETARDED townie If you are townie and you think someone is scum you don't claim them to be mafia through rolecheck. You provide good evidence to town that he is mafia and get him lynched that way.
Completely dumb example. >.>
Given that this is day 1, I don't think I will find someone else who is being as distracting to the town (this reminds me of BM assassin plan in the other mafia game where everyone just ends up talking about it for like 5 pages even though it's completely useless) so I am voting for Abenson unless something else turns out.
Too lazy to post other posts
So to sum it up: Korynne and d3: You're scum, I'm voting for you
Everyone else: Hmm... We'll think about it.
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To Abenson: If you don't have something constructive to contribute, it's better not to contribute. We don't need you to outline really, really self-explanatory things to everyone. Nearly everything you've said in this game so far has fallen under one of two patterns:
1)- Say something everyone who has played a game of TL mafia before understands 2)- Defend yourself against people who want to lynch you by saying they're obviously mafia for wanting to lynch you.
I'm currently personally trying to decide if your play suggests scum or is just misguided
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On April 26 2010 11:04 Abenson wrote: People who voted for me: d3 and Korynne
From what I see (and from my point view), you tried to start a lynch on me, but stopped as everyone else spoke out against it.
scum-signs? :D Stopped what? Wanting to lynch you? I'm afraid that's patently untrue, as you see that my vote hasn't changed anywhere - though if it did, it wouldn't have done anything to stifle my desire to see you gone. I remain unconvinced that your presence here will be beneficial in the later stages of the game no matter what your alignment turns out to be, and until you prove otherwise my vote stays on you.
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On April 25 2010 22:00 Radfield wrote: Johnnyspazz, can you give me an example where in this setup one of our blue roles would have a reason to lie to avoid getting hit by mafia, and possibly get caught in that lie. obviously you lynch stupid scummy players who lie but i was thinking like if a blue role was going to be mistakenly lynched, if he just straight up roleclaims in the thread to avoid getting lynched, then the mafia is just going to hit him at night. i agree with you that a dt has no reason to lie about his checks, but i feel like he needs to lie about his role to prevent getting hit at night under certain circumstances. i guess there are minor lies and major lies and i interpreted wrongly LaL as lynching anyone if they lie even if its a minor lie.
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OK, pointless conversation about LAL is basically the entire content of this thread at this point. Considering that Abenson is best-case an exceptionally useless townie and worst case mafia, I'm going to have to agree with D3 and say
Vote: Abenson
Other than someone we're confident is mafia, the best place to put a night 1 lynch is on a useless poster, it gets us more information than lynching an inactive at the same cost to the town
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On April 26 2010 13:09 [NyC]HoBbes wrote: OK, pointless conversation about LAL is basically the entire content of this thread at this point. Considering that Abenson is best-case an exceptionally useless townie and worst case mafia, I'm going to have to agree with D3 and say
Vote: Abenson
Other than someone we're confident is mafia, the best place to put a night 1 lynch is on a useless poster, it gets us more information than lynching an inactive at the same cost to the town
You need to bold your vote.
I'll allow it, but try to bold it next time. You may need to put red text in your messages so you may put them in unbolded red or italics. I will check bolded red for votes, it is just easier on me this way. If people want this changed I will accept discussion. Hell, feel free to PM me about it.
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Hmmm... it's really difficult to say who is who on day 1. I mean, why is this Absenson bandwagon going, because we think Absenson is a liar or because we don't like his track record in games? I mean, I guess I understand what Hobbes is saying - Absenson has a history of going AWOL in Mafia games, which makes him useless as a townie, and given that we have nothing better to go on, I guess lynching the useless works. I still find it kinda silly, but whatever, I'll bite:
VOTE: ABSENSON
Sorry bro.
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Aaaaand, I just realized his name is Abenson, not Absenson. My bad.
You know who I meant anyway.
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L-1 4 votes for Abenson: d3_crescentia, Korynne, [NyC]Hobbes, BrownBear
not voting: Abenson, RebirthofLegend, Radfield, XeliN, JohnnySpazz
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Looks like he is going to get the majority votes and it seems unlikely that people would be up for random lynching someone so to save some time so I'll vote: Abenson too.
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is it just me or do the last two votes on abenson seem really scummy? i mean brownbear is all trying to justify his vote for abenson but it doesn't really make any sense and xelin is only voting to reach a majority...
i think we were way too quick to lynch someone without a real discussion. while the LaL discussion is pretty dumb, i think we still could've waited longer for more discussion from every player.
right now my FoS is on xelin and brownbear
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Johnny this is the beggining of the game, I agree with the reasons others listed, his LaL discussion was pushed way too much and pretty much substanceless and his defence was to accuse the two people immediately of being scum simply for voting for him, quite frankly he seems like the best person to go with.
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On April 26 2010 09:27 Radfield wrote: I think most people's mafia sense started tingling after the LAL post. However, I'm going to hold onto my vote for now. Remember it only takes 5 to lynch, and we still have 24hrs to get our votes in. Until we have 9 active posters I still think we need to put pressure on people: Johnnyspazz, Brownbear and (NyC)Hobbes I'm looking at you.
yeah i think when radfield said this, he meant posting more not voting right away
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On April 26 2010 09:37 XeliN wrote: For now I would propose lynching the least active person, although this is only in the case where someone has posted like 1-2 posts or not at all, if everyone in the game is reasonably active then currently I would be down for lynching someone randomly.
On April 26 2010 14:53 XeliN wrote: Looks like he is going to get the majority votes and it seems unlikely that people would be up for random lynching someone so to save some time so I'll vote: Abenson too.
these two posts seem contradictory in my opinion. you're like advocating discussion and waiting until we get more activity in the game before you decide who to vote for but then you abruptly vote for abenson just because he's one vote away from dying? hobbes vote was straight up bandwagoning and like i said earlier, brownbear's justification of his vote makes no sense whatsoever and seems very scummy. how can you agree with the reasons that those two listed and then straight up vote? yes, abenson isn't really good at defending himself but to me it seems like a regular knee-jerk townie reaction to getting a lot of votes.
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I was going to vote straight after I saw Abenson immediately accuse cresentia and Korynne of being mafia, I found their voting rather abrupt but there is no way you can immediately jump to the conclusion they are scum because of that as there was reasoning behind it, I decided not to and then on seeing that my vote would be a decider thought I would cut to the chase, I would rather have voted an inactive or voted randomly, even though Abenson had presented some unuseful ideas and defended himself poorly but 4 people had voted him already. Bar someone accidently posting their PM confirming them as mafia it didn't seem likely that we would end up with anything other than No Lynch or Abenson being lynched and I am impatient.
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It is now twilight, and you may post in the thread until the night post is up.
L-0 5 votes for Abenson: d3_crescentia, Korynne, [NyC]Hobbes, BrownBear, XeliN
not voting: Abenson, RebirthofLegend, Radfield, JohnnySpazz
Abenson has been lynched!
Night post coming up shortly
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On April 26 2010 15:42 XeliN wrote: I was going to vote straight after I saw Abenson immediately accuse cresentia and Korynne of being mafia, you realize abenson never really accused them of being scum right?
On April 26 2010 11:04 Abenson wrote: People who voted for me: d3 and Korynne
From what I see (and from my point view), you tried to start a lynch on me, but stopped as everyone else spoke out against it.
scum-signs? :D that is hardly accusing d3 and korynne of being scum
I found their voting rather abrupt but there is no way you can immediately jump to the conclusion they are scum because of that as there was reasoning behind it, I decided not to this makes no sense, which "they" are you referring to? are you saying "their" votes could've seemed scummy if it didn't have any reasoning but since it did have reasoning, you decided not to vote for "them"? almost everyone's reason to lynch abenson have been really poor. or are you saying you held off on voting for abenson? i'm really trying to understand what you are saying.
then on seeing that my vote would be a decider thought I would cut to the chase, are you admitting you're mafia and since you knew abenson would turn green and help you win, you decided to vote for him?
I would rather have voted an inactive or voted randomly, even though Abenson had presented some unuseful ideas and defended himself poorly but 4 people had voted him already. what are you trying to say? this barely makes any sense as well. if you would rather vote randomly/inactive, then why didn't you wait? your reasons for voting are also really bad. are you trying to say you killed abenson because other people thought he was detrimental to the town's win? btw, abenson only presented one idea, and that was to start discussion sine no one else was posting.
Bar someone accidently posting their PM confirming them as mafia it didn't seem likely that we would end up with anything other than No Lynch or Abenson being lynched and I am impatient. day ends in eight hours, how are you that impatient? it didn't seem like we would get any other scenario because people like you just jump on bandwagons instead of discussing.
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FREEAGLELAND26780 Posts
Hmm... What shall thee flip... Also lol Bill I just went 10-2 or something today.
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A majority had been reached. The town had decided that it would lynch Abenson. Relatively quiet for someone who is about to die, Abenson was lead to the gallow's pole in solemn silence as the town gazed on. Any last words, XeliN asked him? Abenson said nothing. The town held their collective breaths and the tension could be cut with a knife as the lever was pulled and the floor sank in front of Abenson's feet, plummeting him towards the ground before the rope caught and his neck snapped with a sickening sort of sound.
Abenson the townie has been lynched.
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NO POSTING, IT IS NIGHTTIME, GO TO SLEEP.
I will modkill anyone to post during the night. If I receive all night actions, I might end the night early.
The latest the night can go on is 3am EST tomorrow (24 hours), however, I may end the night sometime around 3pm tomorrow or whenever I wake up if I have received my night actions.
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you may still pm amongst yourselves
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Johnny the way your posting seems quite susicious to me atm but I'll refrain from posting until Abensons role is flipped.
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it's night quit posting - i'm going to ignore that edit
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sorry I posted at a time before I saw you had put up the nightpost, originally wrote quite a long post and was trying to phrase it right but then decided to hold backspace and put the post above.
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it's fine, just don't post anymore. PMs are fine.
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Night post will be up shortly
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The town had expected a quiet and solemn night after the hanging held earlier, but it was not to be. While their nerves were shot, they were not the only thing shot in the night. Radfield was minding his own business, brewing some coffee in his home. He didn't even hear his backdoor getting picked with a card, and honestly should have paid for a better lock. The cold steel pressed against and felt cold on the back of his head.
"Any last words?" an icy voice asked
and they started laughing an evil mocking laugh
"wh-" *BANG*
"tsk tsk tsk. You just couldn't stay out of our business could you?" *BANG* *BANG* BANG*
The killer took the time to take off the coffee, add sugar and cream to some in a mug, and light a cigarette . He contemplated what he would do later, where he would sleep, and decided that he would just stay there until the night was over. Radfield lived far out away from any neighbors, or at least he had.
The man that killed him slept in his bed, drank his coffee, used his toilet after the night killing him, and then went to confuse the town again the next day.
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Radfield the townie had been murdered in the night.
You may post now.
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There seems like a fair ammount to discuss at this point although I'd rather someone else kick things off, just to say I wanted to double check something with bill and he clarified that only blue roles will be notified on a roleblock so essentially if you were roleblocked do not say anything, at least at this stage, as it basically telling the mafia you have a blue role.
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Okay, so (I've had to wait until it's finally day to post this xD).
The night you were all lynching, my power went out. xD I finally get power back at 6am, jump on mafia, and it's like, shit, someone's put Abenson at L-1. AWW CRAP WHY DID YOU GUYS LYNCH HIM ALREADY. >.>
Urgh... Seriously guys this isn't like a 30 people game, with only 5 required to lynch each vote counts quite significantly (I seem to have made this blunder, however I check mafia /very/ frequently and did not expect my power to go out. xD)
With Radfield gone that's like a good portion of our activity gone. So everyone I know the first day might have been a bit of a short notice, but now that everyone has had 3 days we really should step it up. If mafia just hits our active townies, it doesn't matter if our blue roles (if we have any) stay hidden among the townies, we'll inactive ourselves to death soon enough.
So on to my analysis (which shouldn't be too bad since there's only 7 of us now instead of like OMFG TWENTY PEOPLE TO ANALYZE in the other mafia xD, also the 5 pages instead of 70 helps too xD)
d3_crescentia Seems pretty active First person to vote for Abenson Claims to have a good amount of free time in the next few days (so hoping for good things from you ^^) Clarifies that his vote on Abenson + Show Spoiler +On April 26 2010 07:05 d3_crescentia wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2010 04:29 XeliN wrote: crescentia is your vote on Abenson serious and because you actually suspect he might be mafia because of his suggestion or more like a placeholder for now? A little bit of column A, a little bit of column B. It's hard to get a good read on Abenson given past histories - he's played exactly the same way no matter what his alignment was in previous games, and it becomes increasingly difficult to figure that out as the game drags on longer because his posts still wouldn't contain anything to analyze. Unfaltered when Abenson counter accuses him of being mafia, remains firm with his conviction
Conclusion: Not a lot to go by, but seems pretty solid, only thing to note is starting the Abenson lynch but it wasn't completely random and his actions do not seem strange or inconsistent.
abenson Uh, dead. Accused me and d3 of being scum for being the first 2 to vote for him
korynne Uh, I don't want to analyze myself, that doesn't seem to make sense, but I'll give you a summary. Chatted with Radfield in the beginning for a bit when noone else was active xD Basic questions/answers regarding blue roles etc. Second to vote for Abenson Friggin got power outaged -.- *rageragerage*
Conclusion: Good news townies! I'm playing in both mafia games and I just got power outaged, clearly this is a sign I am the mafia Flash! Therefore since I am town-aligned we will win this! ^^ (Isn't that wonderful logic?)
XeliN Asks d3 if his vote on abenson is serious Explains to Abenson why his example is silly, asks d3 to explain himself again (d3 had not responded at this point) Doesn't think we should really lynch Abenson since he claims Abenson isn't really detracting from any other conversation that is going on (but my point on this is that if there wasn't something to talk about, people would be forced to think of something to talk about. Radfield and I spoke about a couple things related to the game setup and basic strategies) Proposes that we lynch someone inactive or if everyone is active to lynch someone random 5th person to vote for Abenson (note: this vote is made approx. 8 hours ahead of end of day) + Show Spoiler +Looks like he is going to get the majority votes and it seems unlikely that people would be up for random lynching someone so to save some time so I'll vote: Abenson too. Completely goes back on his statements: + Show Spoiler +Johnny this is the beggining of the game, I agree with the reasons others listed, his LaL discussion was pushed way too much and pretty much substanceless and his defence was to accuse the two people immediately of being scum simply for voting for him, quite frankly he seems like the best person to go with. As you can read from above, he did not agree with LaL being pushed too much and wanted to lynch the most inactive person (I'm pretty sure there were plenty of candidates at this point) + Show Spoiler +I was going to vote straight after I saw Abenson immediately accuse cresentia and Korynne of being mafia, I found their voting rather abrupt but there is no way you can immediately jump to the conclusion they are scum because of that as there was reasoning behind it, I decided not to and then on seeing that my vote would be a decider thought I would cut to the chase, I would rather have voted an inactive or voted randomly, even though Abenson had presented some unuseful ideas and defended himself poorly but 4 people had voted him already. Bar someone accidently posting their PM confirming them as mafia it didn't seem likely that we would end up with anything other than No Lynch or Abenson being lynched and I am impatient. Contradicts himself yet again? (Oh, so if you were mafia, you would know that Abenson was innocent, so an innocent person who accuses two other people of being mafia is a pretty good lynch right?) **Seeing that your vote would be a decider should make you PAUSE and THINK and NOT PRESS THE TRIGGER so to speak!!! Now we're one townie down because you were too impatient... Have some faith in people, (other than me being power outaged) if you have a good reason to lynch someone else and it's valid, trust that people will listen and follow you over before 8 hours is up. Or at least try and then switch to Abenson at the last minute if you don't see it happening. Or at least discuss whether we should lynch someone else first, ex. guys I really don't think it's a good idea to lynch Abenson when we have all these inactives, however I don't want to risk having a no lynch at the end of the day, so can I have a "show of hands" to know if I should just vote for Abenson or can we work to lynch a better candidate.** To everyone else, please don't do this, it is rather frowned upon. Accuses JohnnySpazz of being suspicious after Johnny keeps questioning his logic Openly says that he does not want to start off the analysis (not even pulling the newb card here?) I would like to add that in addition to your note about being roleblocked, if you have been roleblocked, then clearly we are in setup 1 and if you were the detective, then OMG FIND THE MEDIC xD
Conclusion: First couple posts seem pro-town then woah, everything went waaaay downhill from there. xD Accusing Johnny doesn't help your case, neither does the I'll let someone else start (or what, you're afraid that given free rein of how the day 2 conversation starts you would accidentally reveal yourself?) You sir, have a lot to explain.
[NyC]Hobbes Tells Abenson that: "I'm currently personally trying to decide if your play suggests scum or is just misguided" 3rd person to vote for Abenson (in Hobbes' 2nd real post) and considers him "best-case an exceptionally useless townie"
Conclusion: Not very active, slightly suspicious for just kind of cutting in, laying some suspicion on Abenson (his first real post was kind of like a prep for his second post which voted for Abenson) before hammering in the vote. Will be off my scummy list if he just posts more (his posts are not scummy in nature, just the fact that his only 2 posts are basically to consolidate the Abenson lynch)
JohnnySpazz Comments on LaL. Radfield asks him about giving an example of when blue role would need to lie, gives a pretty normal answer Comments that the last 2 votes on Abenson are scummy, FoS'd the two people Points out XeliN's inconsistency Basically has the same arguments as I did regarding why Xelin looks scummy
Conclusion: Seems pretty pro-town, but that's kind of based on the fact that Xelin is quite scummy looking. Magically pops up 5 min after Xelin puts in his vote to accuse the two of them being the most suspicious thing he's done so far.
BrownBear Notes that hopefully inactivity won't be a problem Agrees with LaL (omgwtf xP), no reasoning provided (pretty sure other people by this point have already went LaL = wtf) + Show Spoiler +Hmmm... it's really difficult to say who is who on day 1. I mean, why is this Absenson bandwagon going, because we think Absenson is a liar or because we don't like his track record in games? I mean, I guess I understand what Hobbes is saying - Absenson has a history of going AWOL in Mafia games, which makes him useless as a townie, and given that we have nothing better to go on, I guess lynching the useless works. I still find it kinda silly, but whatever, I'll bite:
VOTE: ABSENSON
Sorry bro. Finds something kind of silly and then goes ahead and puts Abenson at L-1...
Conclusion: Not very contributive... agrees with LaL and then goes ahead with Abenson. Needs to be more active.
Radfield Aww he's dead. Not going to bother detail analysis, but clearly pretty pro town and very active. A sad loss to town. =( *moment of silence*
RebirthofLegend Some fluffy post of sorts.
Show nested quote +Yeah Cresntia, I am inclined to agree. The LAL policy is implied in each game, if you can strait prove someone is lying then you lynch them. 9/10 its a mafia incentive to lie, however proving that in a game with no PMing is nearly impossible.
It seems like you are aiming for activity/discussion so I won't write you off immediately, but please don't fucking go inactive again, activity is so important in an 11 person setup, every person matters role or not. Uhhh, so you don't post afterwards... hypocrite much? >.>
Conclusion: Same as Hobbes, scummy for lack of posting, but not actually scummy post (wasn't involved in lynching Abenson in any way). Please be active. >.>
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I don't see that I have that much explaining to do, the first vote of any game is pretty much a crapshoot and Abenson pretty much outlined that he wasn't not being very useful. I was against them initially rushing to vote for Abenson based almost entirely on his LaL posting but then he carried on being unuseful and providing no defence for himself other than accusing people of being scum.
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I disagree with your Johnny analysis, although you did outline that his popping up to cast suspision was in itself suspicious. I think the way he went about it was fairly suspect, instead of questioning people (Me and Brown I think it was) as to why they voted the way they did, he instead made a blanket statement to the town that he considered it very suspicious, this to me seems somewhat consistent with how scum may act as they are interested with creating discord and suspicion amongst the town.
Not entirely sure if inactivity can be emphasised much at this point but I would like to see RoL and Hobbes get involved.
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The least you can do sir, is acknowledge that you will at least /try/ not to lynch people so quickly next time. >.>
You might as well accuse me of being mafia as well then XeliN, seeing as how in my analysis I pretty much have the exact same arguments as JohnnySpazz. In fact, I know I would've been freaking out at you right after you voted (or actually I would've retracted my post at L-1 if I was't power outaged).
Given that I came to the same conclusion as Johnny after reading your posts, I am inclined to believe that you are mafia moreso than Johnny, given the current circumstances.
Uh, you wanted to lynch the most inactive players on day 1 (when people could have not noticed the game started yet, or went out, had other plans, etc etc.) and now on day 2, when everyone has had enough time to acknowledge that they know mafia is happening, you don't think inactivity can be emphasized??
We lost Radfield, one of the more active posters, if we don't put pressure on everyone to post we're done for. Inactivity is terribly for town!
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Too freaked out to vote right now because I have to go to bed since I work tomorrow and won't be around to see what's going on until 5pm or so (in 14 hours).
But if I was around and able to make sure a stupid mistake like yesterday didn't happen again, then my vote is for XeliN right now.
So for all intents of analysis, consider me as the first person to vote for XeliN today. However due to the accident last night, I will not be putting up an actual vote in case some impatient bandwagon develops again.
Talk to you folks tomorrow evening, BE ACTIVE!!
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I agree entirely on the inactivity bit, my point in saying i wasn't sure if it can be emphasised at this point is in regard to peoples activity in the past, from now onward obviously it becomes far more of an issue as there is actually quite alot to discuss and think about now.
I have absolutely no regret in the way I voted, Abenson was clearly going to be lynched anyway, I could see no situation whatsoever whereby another person would have been voted for and so it was a case of either lynching Abenson or having a no lynch. Possibly I should have held off just to allow more time for people to post and create a better feel of the people in the game mut meh...
I said I wanted to lynch the inactive player but as stated it was obvious to me the choice was Abenson or no lynch. I do not consider you as suspicious as johnny although even with him it is only because of the way he went about voicing his suspicions, and then the post where he Bolded some of what I wrote and responded reeked of trying to cast suspicion without substance. I'll address that post directly if people feel i need to although on the matter of how I voted I have explained my position fully currently so it would just be repetition. Actually screw it.. I already have a vote on me so appears i have to rush into defence mode.
+ Show Spoiler + On April 26 2010 16:12 johnnyspazz wrote:On April 26 2010 15:42 XeliN wrote:I was going to vote straight after I saw Abenson immediately accuse cresentia and Korynne of being mafia,you realize abenson never really accused them of being scum right? Show nested quote +On April 26 2010 11:04 Abenson wrote: People who voted for me: d3 and Korynne
From what I see (and from my point view), you tried to start a lynch on me, but stopped as everyone else spoke out against it.
scum-signs? :D that is hardly accusing d3 and korynne of being scum On April 26 2010 11:06 Abenson wrote:
Too lazy to post other posts
So to sum it up: Korynne and d3: You're scum, I'm voting for you
Everyone else: Hmm... We'll think about it.
+ Show Spoiler + On April 26 2010 16:12 johnnyspazz wrote:
I found their voting rather abrupt but there is no way you can immediately jump to the conclusion they are scum because of that as there was reasoning behind it, I decided not to this makes no sense, which "they" are you referring to? are you saying "their" votes could've seemed scummy if it didn't have any reasoning but since it did have reasoning, you decided not to vote for "them"? almost everyone's reason to lynch abenson have been really poor. or are you saying you held off on voting for abenson? i'm really trying to understand what you are saying.
The "they" was referring to cresentia and Korynne
then on seeing that my vote would be a decider thought I would cut to the chase, are you admitting you're mafia and since you knew abenson would turn green and help you win, you decided to vote for him?
This is a meaningless accusation as far as I can tell so errm Yes? No? What were you hoping to achieve by writing this?
I would rather have voted an inactive or voted randomly, even though Abenson had presented some unuseful ideas and defended himself poorly but 4 people had voted him already. what are you trying to say? this barely makes any sense as well. if you would rather vote randomly/inactive, then why didn't you wait? your reasons for voting are also really bad. are you trying to say you killed abenson because other people thought he was detrimental to the town's win? btw, abenson only presented one idea, and that was to start discussion sine no one else was posting.
Seeing as apparently what I was trying to say was unclear I'll number it.
1) Abenson had 4 votes 2) I saw 2 options, either Abenson would be lynched or there would be No Lynch, at this point in my mind there was no possibility of someone else being lynched as Abenson already had 4 votes on him. 3)I had a choice of voting or waiting, I decided to just go ahead and vote.
I voted Abenson because he was both the only possibly person to be lynched on day 1 and he had shown himself to not be very helpful. I would not have done it had he not already had 4 votes but hey my dream of lynching an inactive or someone randomly was not to be.
Bar someone accidently posting their PM confirming them as mafia it didn't seem likely that we would end up with anything other than No Lynch or Abenson being lynched and I am impatient. day ends in eight hours, how are you that impatient? it didn't seem like we would get any other scenario because people like you just jump on bandwagons instead of discussing.
How am I that impatient? I just am, often I have played mafia games where I am simply waiting for things to happen. You say I jumped on the bandwagon which I most certainly did but only because as I have said, it was the only wagon that was going to be travelling through town that day.
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
Oh for fucks sake. Both games I've gotten lynched first night
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FREEAGLELAND26780 Posts
On April 27 2010 18:08 Radfield wrote:Oh for fucks sake. Both games I've gotten lynched first night <3 It gets better, don't worry!
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Said the catholic priest to the choir boy...
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My posts were about the Abenson lynch because, as I said in one of my posts, the vast majority of the thread was at the time discussing either the Abenson lynch or Abenson's ideas. I will try to be more active today, but this game is pretty inactive in general right now.
On the topic of Abenson, I stand by the lynch, as we now have more info to discuss, and we don't have to deal with the entire freaking thread being people offering their viewpoints on LAL
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Seeing as apparently what I was trying to say was unclear I'll number it.
1) Abenson had 4 votes 2) I saw 2 options, either Abenson would be lynched or there would be No Lynch, at this point in my mind there was no possibility of someone else being lynched as Abenson already had 4 votes on him. 3)I had a choice of voting or waiting, I decided to just go ahead and vote.
I voted Abenson because he was both the only possibly person to be lynched on day 1 and he had shown himself to not be very helpful. I would not have done it had he not already had 4 votes but hey my dream of lynching an inactive or someone randomly was not to be. In a game this small, a random/inactive lynch is a pretty bad idea. Yes, our chances of hitting Mafia are 2/9 by random lynch anyway, so it's better to try and come to an informed decision anyway. Even if our information is wrong, we can turn back to those that suggested it in the first place and analyze their motivations.
The problem with your reasoning to vote is that it all amounts to "I voted because it was close," which is something that can be easily interpreted either way. My suspicions are split between you and BrownBear right now.
RoL where are YOU, by the way? Activity is so important in a small game like this, just like you said~
Vote: RoL
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I will be more active, I will be more active, I'm sorry.
I will be in class for a while, then I will post some analysis.
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with 7 alive it is 4 to lynch
RebirthofLegend (d3_crescentia) Not Voting: (Korynne, RebirthofLegend, XeliN, JohnnySpazz, BrownBear, [NyC]Hobbes)
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On April 26 2010 11:06 Abenson wrote:
Too lazy to post other posts
So to sum it up: Korynne and d3: You're scum, I'm voting for you
Everyone else: Hmm... We'll think about it.
Xelin, i am pretty sure this is abenson paraphrasing korynne and d3's posts
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On April 28 2010 01:32 [NyC]HoBbes wrote: On the topic of Abenson, I stand by the lynch, as we now have more info to discuss, and we don't have to deal with the entire freaking thread being people offering their viewpoints on LAL instead of just saying we have more info, please share it with the rest of us
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Ah, I think you're right johnny, he phrased it weirdly and at the time seemed like he was just accusing them of being mafia, what is your response to my justification//explanation of the thought process behind my voting? considering it is my voting (and the way it seemed to contradict with things I had written earlier) that seems to be the main argument for me being potential mafia.
I have explained it as fully I can and I hope explained it relatively well.
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On April 26 2010 09:27 Radfield wrote: I think most people's mafia sense started tingling after the LAL post. However, I'm going to hold onto my vote for now. Remember it only takes 5 to lynch, and we still have 24hrs to get our votes in. Until we have 9 active posters I still think we need to put pressure on people: Johnnyspazz, Brownbear and (NyC)Hobbes I'm looking at you.
i'm not really sure why mafia killed radfield but this is the only post i could find where he attacks people. i would like brownbear and hobbes to talk about why they voted for abenson.
On April 27 2010 16:24 XeliN wrote: I don't see that I have that much explaining to do, the first vote of any game is pretty much a crapshoot and Abenson pretty much outlined that he wasn't not being very useful. I was against them initially rushing to vote for Abenson based almost entirely on his LaL posting but then he carried on being unuseful and providing no defence for himself other than accusing people of being scum.
while this is true, did you truly think abenson was scum when you voted? in a small game without extra blue roles, lynching is our only way to kill mafia so we don't want to waste lynches. imo, it's better to keep obvious greens alive because it's one more person the mafia have to use a kp on.
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On April 28 2010 06:29 XeliN wrote: Ah, I think you're right johnny, he phrased it weirdly and at the time seemed like he was just accusing them of being mafia, what is your response to my justification//explanation of the thought process behind my voting? considering it is my voting (and the way it seemed to contradict with things I had written earlier) that seems to be the main argument for me being potential mafia.
I have explained it as fully I can and I hope explained it relatively well.
in any other game, i would've probably also voted for abenson but since this is such a small game, i didn't. i just feel like you rushed your vote. atleast you are explaining yourself and looking more green to me. brownbear and hobbes on the other hand need to start talking.
Vote: BrownBear
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On April 28 2010 01:32 [NyC]HoBbes wrote: I will try to be more active today, but this game is pretty inactive in general right now.
the only reason this game is inactive is because people like you are used to skating by in big games where 70% of the posts are made by veterans. you need to start reading closely and sharing your opinions instead of whining about the activity. it's funny to me that people think posting stuff like this will magically get the game going.
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On April 28 2010 06:34 johnnyspazz wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2010 09:27 Radfield wrote: I think most people's mafia sense started tingling after the LAL post. However, I'm going to hold onto my vote for now. Remember it only takes 5 to lynch, and we still have 24hrs to get our votes in. Until we have 9 active posters I still think we need to put pressure on people: Johnnyspazz, Brownbear and (NyC)Hobbes I'm looking at you. i'm not really sure why mafia killed radfield but this is the only post i could find where he attacks people. i would like brownbear and hobbes to talk about why they voted for abenson. Show nested quote +On April 27 2010 16:24 XeliN wrote: I don't see that I have that much explaining to do, the first vote of any game is pretty much a crapshoot and Abenson pretty much outlined that he wasn't not being very useful. I was against them initially rushing to vote for Abenson based almost entirely on his LaL posting but then he carried on being unuseful and providing no defence for himself other than accusing people of being scum. while this is true, did you truly think abenson was scum when you voted? in a small game without extra blue roles, lynching is our only way to kill mafia so we don't want to waste lynches. imo, it's better to keep obvious greens alive because it's one more person the mafia have to use a kp on. It's interesting that you'd bring up Radfield's comment and then try to link it with asking others to justify Abenson's lynch. It's even more interesting that you'd link Abenson with the term "obvious green." Who else would you say is an actual obvious green? Would you call yourself an obvious green, and why?
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no i wouldn't call myself an obvious green but i would say i'm trying to be pro-town in my mind abenson was an obvious green and thats why i didn't vote for him. his posts weren't particularly scummy to me. your vote while partially justified also confuses me because all abenson did was bring up an underlying point in all mafia games.
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This is a PM conversation I have had with d3_cresentia, read from the bottom up, first message is his to me + Show Spoiler +
From: d3_crescentia [ 1353 posts | Profile | Buddy ] Subject: Re: are you green? Date: 4/28/10 11:25 I asked if you were green. You said you wouldn't say your role but that you're pro-town. This lead me to believe you were blue, not green - which is why I brought up the curious case of Shockeyy and Ace. Now you say you don't actually have a night action?
----------------------------------------- Original Message: I never said I had a night action, where are you getting this from?
----------------------------------------- Original Message: who did you use your night action on?
----------------------------------------- Original Message: lol is it really that curious that I would say that, what were you expecting "no actually I am mafia!"
On brownbear, to me there just simply seems too little info to go on, he has posted sparcely but done nothing overtly mafialike to me and I am far more concerned with others, RoL for one thing as he has had no input whatsoever so far this game. Whats your plan to get more info on Johnny or is it one your keeping close to the chest?
----------------------------------------- Original Message: Curious that you'd say that. It reminds of the one time when Shockeyy roleclaimed to Ace in PM and then Ace got lynched him for it. I think I now understand why Ace did that, even though Shockeyy flipped blue.
Did Radfield say anything interesting last night? Sort of curious.
I don't have a strong opinion on Johnny yet, but I think I know a way about how to get more information. What about BrownBear?
----------------------------------------- Original Message: You are correct sir! Won't say my actual role but yeah I am pro-town.
What are your thoughts on Johnny? im wavering between him actually being suspicious or me just thinking he is because he jumped on an opportunity to cast suspicion on me and tbh i always tend to think people who accuse me are red when I am a town role. Korynne seems somewhat consistent with his posting style in the other mafia game and on a purely statistical basis he is more likely to be green in that one so good sign possibly.
----------------------------------------- Original Message: I think you are green
Quite frankly I think it is exceptionally scumlike, he is essentially trying to guage whether or not I am a blue role (or possibly double bluffing trying to see if I am red will no doubt be his argument) but this is most certainly not something that a pro-town player would do, everything about it reeks of scumlike behaviour tbh and currently my Vote is on: d3_cresentia
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I'm sorry, I thought you had actually claimed blue to me in your original PM. "Won't say my actual role but yeah I am pro-town" actually led me to think you were claiming that you could be blue - if you had left it purely at "yeah I'm pro-town" it would have been a different scenario. Want to know why I brought up Ace/Shockeyy? Because if you *had* claimed blue to me right off the bat, I would have pushed for your lynch so hard your head would be rolling by now.
But hey, if you want to lynch me that's okay. I'll even help you on the way, since it seems like there's nothing in the rules against it. If I'm actually town, the mafia should be jumping with joy to see another townie lynched... but if I'm mafia I'm pretty sure that my own comrade wouldn't vote for me, right? I suppose it all depends on what I flip, and if you're *really* that interested come vote and see.
Vote: d3_crescentia
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XeliN, that would be with HER posting style ...and SHE is more likely... xD
Anyway. There does seem to be an abrupt change of conversation to the night action thing. Last thing XeliN mentions before being "cut off" is:
On brownbear, to me there just simply seems too little info to go on, he has posted sparcely but done nothing overtly mafialike to me and I am far more concerned with others, RoL for one thing as he has had no input whatsoever so far this game. Whats your plan to get more info on Johnny or is it one your keeping close to the chest? I don't really know what to make of that... I mean d3 already voted for RoL so we know his opinion of that. I guess his Johnny plan won't really work very well now that XeliN exposed the intent...
Uh d3, what are you doing...
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RoL, hobbes, brown, get involved. There should be no mafia games where people are allowed to get away with inactivity so please start contributing so we can actually try to analyse people, otherwise we are going to be forced to vote out inactives. This is pretty well known but games where people are allowed to get away with inactivity are only good for mafia.
And editing posts is not allowed I'm afraid Kor so your a guy for now!
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Yeah seriously people, get involved. Lynching one of you three would be a terrible use of lynching, but I'm afraid that might have to happen.
Say we do catch the active mafia, and one of those 3 is the other mafia, then we have no way of making a decision. Likewise, if 2 of those 3 are mafia, then it's very hard for whoever's left alive by the end of the day to judge which of the 3 are mafia because they've posted so little.
However if we lynch one of the inactives the chances of us catching the mafia is like 0~2/3 at best.
Clearly the solution is for you people not to be inactive. Help your town out!!
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On April 28 2010 06:39 johnnyspazz wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2010 06:29 XeliN wrote: Ah, I think you're right johnny, he phrased it weirdly and at the time seemed like he was just accusing them of being mafia, what is your response to my justification//explanation of the thought process behind my voting? considering it is my voting (and the way it seemed to contradict with things I had written earlier) that seems to be the main argument for me being potential mafia.
I have explained it as fully I can and I hope explained it relatively well. in any other game, i would've probably also voted for abenson but since this is such a small game, i didn't. i just feel like you rushed your vote. atleast you are explaining yourself and looking more green to me. brownbear and hobbes on the other hand need to start talking. Vote: BrownBear
Shit, now I have to defend myself in both games?
I voted for Abenson for 3 reasons:
1. I read Korynne's post: QUOTE]On April 26 2010 06:44 Korynne wrote: Vote Abenson
Reason: He's brought up rather stupid things twice already, which is way more than anyone else.
#1 LAL Policy Pretty impossible to verify obviously, not to mention if we catch someone lying we can easily deal with it (ie. someone is mafia, lies and says he is townie, lynch him, no brainer. someone is medic and lies and says he is townie to protect himself, obviously we shouldn't lynch him).
Either way, this is such an arbitrary idea and plenty of people have poked plenty of holes in it.
#2 Someone claiming DT and lynching a townie Well DUH if someone claims he rolechecked someone and claims that the rolecheck turns out mafia then CLEARLY the guy is lying and is either mafia or a COMPLETELY RETARDED townie If you are townie and you think someone is scum you don't claim them to be mafia through rolecheck. You provide good evidence to town that he is mafia and get him lynched that way.
Completely dumb example. >.>
Given that this is day 1, I don't think I will find someone else who is being as distracting to the town (this reminds me of BM assassin plan in the other mafia game where everyone just ends up talking about it for like 5 pages even though it's completely useless) so I am voting for Abenson unless something else turns out.[/QUOTE]
and it makes sense. I liked the LaL policy at first, but then I thought about it seriously, and yeah, it's pretty dumb.
2. Abenson's track record. He tends to go inactive and be useless. We usually don't have anything to go on on day 1 anyway, so, hey, y'know, that's at least a starting point. Is it kind of a crapshoot? Yes, but then, most day 1 voting is.
3. At that point, there were 5 votes on Abenson already, so my vote essentially did not matter. I could have voted for anyone and Abenson still would have been lynched. So why do you care?
As for who to vote for today: Looks like today's punching bag of choice is d3, at least so far, so lets analyze!
First, XeliN's PM:
On April 28 2010 11:43 XeliN wrote:This is a PM conversation I have had with d3_cresentia, read from the bottom up, first message is his to me + Show Spoiler +
From: d3_crescentia [ 1353 posts | Profile | Buddy ] Subject: Re: are you green? Date: 4/28/10 11:25 I asked if you were green. You said you wouldn't say your role but that you're pro-town. This lead me to believe you were blue, not green - which is why I brought up the curious case of Shockeyy and Ace. Now you say you don't actually have a night action?
----------------------------------------- Original Message: I never said I had a night action, where are you getting this from?
----------------------------------------- Original Message: who did you use your night action on?
----------------------------------------- Original Message: lol is it really that curious that I would say that, what were you expecting "no actually I am mafia!"
On brownbear, to me there just simply seems too little info to go on, he has posted sparcely but done nothing overtly mafialike to me and I am far more concerned with others, RoL for one thing as he has had no input whatsoever so far this game. Whats your plan to get more info on Johnny or is it one your keeping close to the chest?
----------------------------------------- Original Message: Curious that you'd say that. It reminds of the one time when Shockeyy roleclaimed to Ace in PM and then Ace got lynched him for it. I think I now understand why Ace did that, even though Shockeyy flipped blue.
Did Radfield say anything interesting last night? Sort of curious.
I don't have a strong opinion on Johnny yet, but I think I know a way about how to get more information. What about BrownBear?
----------------------------------------- Original Message: You are correct sir! Won't say my actual role but yeah I am pro-town.
What are your thoughts on Johnny? im wavering between him actually being suspicious or me just thinking he is because he jumped on an opportunity to cast suspicion on me and tbh i always tend to think people who accuse me are red when I am a town role. Korynne seems somewhat consistent with his posting style in the other mafia game and on a purely statistical basis he is more likely to be green in that one so good sign possibly.
----------------------------------------- Original Message: I think you are green
Quite frankly I think it is exceptionally scumlike, he is essentially trying to guage whether or not I am a blue role (or possibly double bluffing trying to see if I am red will no doubt be his argument) but this is most certainly not something that a pro-town player would do, everything about it reeks of scumlike behaviour tbh and currently my Vote is on: d3_cresentia
Furthermore, here is Bill Murray's list of potential layouts (it's Radfield's quote, but it's still correct):
On April 25 2010 00:55 Radfield wrote:
We have 4 possible setup options:
Setup 1 1 roleblocker 1 goon 5 townies 1 detective 1 medic - Setup 2 1 mafia goon 1 mafia roleblocker 7 townies - Setup 3 2 mafia goons 1 cop 6 townies - Setup 4 2 mafia goons 1 medic 6 townies
Notice how our options are: cop, medic, detective. All of these have a night action. Yet d3 says he has none. Whoops. If you were green, you would have just claimed "townie" and that would have been it. So you're either blue or red, but you have no night action?
Either: You are scum, You are actually blue, but you're just an idiot.
Afterwards, he votes for himself. Out of spite? If he really were blue, he'd probably be defending himself far more vigorously. Thus, I think he's scum.
Vote: d3_cresentia
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Oh BrownBear,
Thank you so much. Let's get this out of the way, first.
Vote: BrownBear
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BROWNBEAR, learn to preview your posts so quotes are broken. >.>
*goes to actually read your post*
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For one thing, You've completely misread the conversation. Xelin's the one that's actually claimed that said he doesn't have a night action, not me, as Xelin posted a conversation where *I* was supposedly trying to discern if *he* was blue. Your first critical mistake, perhaps simply an error in reading. A little side note: cop and detective are actually the same thing, but I digress.
Secondly, your vote DID matter, as there were only 3 votes on Abenson (myself, Korynne, Hobbes) at the time, and yours was the fourth. This is your second critical mistake - misrepresenting your own voting history. On that note, XeliN's vote was the one that decided it, and while I'd be happy to see what color he actually flips I'm fairly certain that you're the better target.
Your last critical mistake - posting an analysis that wasn't really an analysis at all, all so you could have a reason to jump on my bandwagon. Any player with a significant stake in the situation would rush forward to defend themselves vigorously, no matter if s/he was blue OR red (or some green with a massive sense of self-importance). Either your reading comprehension is severely lacking, or that you're deliberately misrepresenting the situation. In any case, it's not something we want to see in a pro-town player.
The other thing about it is that I actually don't care if I die so long as it gets a few reds in the process. You've just shown yourself to be pretty red now, though we'll see if you actually turn out to be scum or just embarrassed. =]
So, care to revise your thoughts, BrownBear?
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Woah guys stop voting so fast. >.<;;
You realize 2 votes puts us at L-[# of mafia alive].
Notice how our options are: cop, medic, detective. All of these have a night action. Yet d3 says he has none. Whoops. If you were green, you would have just claimed "townie" and that would have been it. So you're either blue or red, but you have no night action?
Uh, isn't cop and detective the same thing? -.- I'm confused about what you meant at all in that quote...
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For anyone else who is thinking of voting cresentia because they agree with the reasons I layed out for why I consider him likely mafia, please hold off on doing so. I impatiently rushed my first day vote on Abenson as their was little to discuss or talk about and i always consider the first vote a crapshoot. Now however, we have a wealth of things to discuss and players I'd like to see contribute, RoL and Hobbes, and like to hear Johnny's take on things now and assuming d3's vote is actually allowed it is only 1 more vote to lynch.
Cresentia you are acting most strangely this game compared to how you usually are in mafia games, your defence seams weak and illogical, you voted for yourself...? now you are still posting clear mistakes//lies in Xelin's the one that's actually claimed that said he doesn't have a night action
No, I, Did, Not.
However, I agree with you that browns analysis does seem really lacking, but from what I know of you, you would highlight this, explain how how he is wrong in his reasoning and possibly place FoS because of it. Not jump to "Oh i had better lynch BrownBear now".. you really are acting unusually to me and it's making my thoughts that you are mafia all the stronger.
I'm going to have to go over the other thread to try to get more of an idea on brown though.
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With 7 alive, it is 4 to lynch. 2 votes for brownbear (johnnyspazz, d3_crescentia) 2 votes for d3_crescentia (XeliN, BrownBear)
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On April 28 2010 14:59 XeliN wrote:Show nested quote + Xelin's the one that's actually claimed that said he doesn't have a night action No, I, Did, Not. so xelin, why are you making such a big deal over something that's so trivial? d3 thought you had a night action and if you were green, you would just say, "i have no night action" and that would be the end of it. if you were blue, you would still stand by the same statement. now if you were scum, i'm guessing you would also do the same. however, you aren't doing this and it's quite puzzling to me. what harm could possibly come from claiming you have no night action?
On April 28 2010 14:59 XeliN wrote: However, I agree with you that browns analysis does seem really lacking, but from what I know of you, you would highlight this, explain how how he is wrong in his reasoning and possibly place FoS because of it. Not jump to "Oh i had better lynch BrownBear now".. you really are acting unusually to me and it's making my thoughts that you are mafia all the stronger. umm... did you read her post? d3 didn't just say, "brownbear, your analysis sucks." she poked many holes in brownbear's defense and specified exactly what was "wrong" with it. is this a pathetic attempt at trying to get the suspicion off your scum teammate?
On April 28 2010 13:51 BrownBear wrote: I liked the LaL policy at first, but then I thought about it seriously, and yeah, it's pretty dumb. LaL is only stupid if you use extreme examples to counter it. LaL is how every single mafia game should be played since nine times out of ten, the mafia players are lying. how can anyone say lynching liars is a bad thing? your defense is just plain awful; you make so many bad points. d3 has already pointed some of them out for me.
i wouldn't be surprised if both xelin and brownbear are both scum. right now, all of their posts reek of scum. can we lynch these two already?
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Uh sorry, playing a game on the other comp, gimme 10 min. xD
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Johnny I am not making a big deal, I have given no information whatsoever as to my role and cresentia still is labouring under the delusion that I have and it is irritating, especially since it is unlike 'her?'
On your second point I did read the post, I am simply saying that this reaction:
On April 28 2010 13:54 d3_crescentia wrote: Oh BrownBear,
Thank you so much. Let's get this out of the way, first.
Vote: BrownBear
Seemed off, and is not consistent with how I have seen cresentia play in the past.
And once again you have posted something fundamentally meaningless yet suspicion casting "I wouldn't be suprised if both xelin and brownbear are both scum, all their posts reek of scum. can we lynch these two already?"
How useful of you to cast suspicion and say my, well our, posting reeks of scum without explaining what you mean at all or providing any form of argument as to why you say that. You have now numerous times this game tried to cast suspiscion without actually providing much if any form of reasoned analysis to my knowledge you have not provided one coherent argument against me that I have not explained, and sure I could be lying but you have just let it drop and are not continuing to analyse. If you think I am scum, address my explanation and reasoning, outline why the way I am posting is suspicious to you, compare styles with past games. Casting suspision without substance is exactly the type of thing that is beneficial to the mafia if they can get away with it, if you are actually town stop doing so and clearly outline your reasons when you try to label people and if your mafia, well don't expect to get away with it.
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I [red] Remove: Vote [red] for now, going to be busy for a while next 10ish hours so may not be able to post and I'll save my vote till later.
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Uh, I'm not running in and deciding this guys. xD
Her post? d3's a girl now? xD
I'm more for the XeliN lynch, in terms of who I think is more scummy. I also feel bad lynching BrownBear in two games on the same night... xD
I stated before I would prefer to lynch the more inactive suspect, since the active one would leave more clues. So BrownBear looks to be less active.
However since my vote would lead to L-1, I am refraining from doing so in case mafia jumps the last vote.
I would like to hear from Hobbes and RoL first before we proceed.
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On April 28 2010 15:35 XeliN wrote:Johnny I am not making a big deal, I have given no information whatsoever as to my role and cresentia still is labouring under the delusion that I have and it is irritating, especially since it is unlike 'her?' On your second point I did read the post, I am simply saying that this reaction: Show nested quote +On April 28 2010 13:54 d3_crescentia wrote: Oh BrownBear,
Thank you so much. Let's get this out of the way, first.
Vote: BrownBear Seemed off, and is not consistent with how I have seen cresentia play in the past. And once again you have posted something fundamentally meaningless yet suspicion casting "I wouldn't be suprised if both xelin and brownbear are both scum, all their posts reek of scum. can we lynch these two already?" How useful of you to cast suspicion and say my, well our, posting reeks of scum without explaining what you mean at all or providing any form of argument as to why you say that. You have now numerous times this game tried to cast suspiscion without actually providing much if any form of reasoned analysis to my knowledge you have not provided one coherent argument against me that I have not explained, and sure I could be lying but you have just let it drop and are not continuing to analyse. If you think I am scum, address my explanation and reasoning, outline why the way I am posting is suspicious to you, compare styles with past games. Casting suspision without substance is exactly the type of thing that is beneficial to the mafia if they can get away with it, if you are actually town stop doing so and clearly outline your reasons when you try to label people and if your mafia, well don't expect to get away with it.
just to clear things up, i dont even know if it's a him or her or whatever, from now on ill just their name.
1) why does d3's vote seem off to you at all? d3 simply voted before he typed his reasoning. can you explain to me how this is not how d3 usually plays? because it seems like pretty normal play to me. you obviously read his vote and then this reasoning since they were both before you posted this gem: Not jump to "Oh i had better lynch BrownBear now".. you really are acting unusually to me and it's making my thoughts that you are mafia all the stronger. please go into further detail why voting and then explaining your reasoning for voting makes d3 look suspicious.
2) i agree with you on the night action point after rereading the posts more carefully. yes, you are not making it a big deal. i can understand why d3 wrote that because your responses can be interpreted that way. but answer my question, why not just simply say that you have no night action? i see no harm in saying that.
3) if you think voicing my suspicions in the game is a bad thing and anti-town play, then i guess we have to agree to disagree. also, you need to stop saying that i just cast FoS's on people without any reason cause that's just a straight up lie. you need to reread my posts more closely if you think that all my accusations are just i cast suspicions without reason.
4) comparing styles from the current game to previous games is in my opinion a complete waste of time because any good mafia player knows that you need to always stay unpredictable to win. i'm just going to give the benefit of the doubt to the players in this game and pretend there is nothing of interest in comparing past play styles. i don't not waste my time analyzing their past play styles when i can just analyze their current playstyle.
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I'll dress in drag and call myself Samantha if you pay me enough.
Xelin, perhaps I should slow down a little bit and iron out the details.
You said that you might or might not have a night action, but my comment was in response to BrownBear incorrectly attributing the statement to me. I could care less whether or not you actually DO have a night action. It bothers me more why you would word things in a way that suggests that you could be blue when it's most beneficial just to lie and say that you're green no matter what your alignment is, unless you're reluctant about lying and end up telling some sort of misty half-truth.
As for BrownBear, I thought that's exactly what I did, highlight where the reasoning is screwy, explain why he's wrong, and place my FoS on him - only this time it actually comes with the vote first, and with a bit harsher language than I usually use. At this point, though, the kiddie gloves need to come off, and we *really* need to start pushing for scum.
It's late; I'm still sick and need to sleep for a good while. Good night.
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On April 28 2010 15:49 Korynne wrote: However since my vote would lead to L-1, I am refraining from doing so in case mafia jumps the last vote.
you need to stop using this as an excuse to vote because it's very easy to catch mafia jumping on bandwagons to lynch innocent townies in a small game such as this. right now i see your hesitation to vote as a red who's trying not to get attention drawn to him or herself. you were so eager to vote for abenson so i really don't understand why you are so hesitant to vote. is it because i called out the quick votes on abenson as scum behavior and you don't want the same label used on you?
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On April 28 2010 01:32 [NyC]HoBbes wrote: My posts were about the Abenson lynch because, as I said in one of my posts, the vast majority of the thread was at the time discussing either the Abenson lynch or Abenson's ideas. I will try to be more active today, but this game is pretty inactive in general right now.
On the topic of Abenson, I stand by the lynch, as we now have more info to discuss, and we don't have to deal with the entire freaking thread being people offering their viewpoints on LAL i love it when people flat out lie. hey! lets lynch this mofo since we're doing LaL, right???
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I can see why d3 voted immediately for BrownBear, he was afraid mafia was going to jump him and hammer him in. And I'm pretty sure the only reason he voted for himself is just to lure someone to be the 3rd person to vote for him.
I mean seriously, it's in no one's interest to vote for themselves.\
Johnny, as I said before, consider my vote as the first one for XeliN. If you haven't noticed if we mislynch someone tonight tomorrow it's going to be 3T/2M. Forgive me if I want to be careful about not getting to that. Seeing as how impatient some of our town is, can you blame me for being careful here?
I vote freely "in spirit," I just don't cast my official vote because I don't want us to end the day way early like last time and mislynch someone (I started work on Monday, so I won't be online 24/7 to babysit my vote). We have another day, and we haven't heard back from two out of seven people still alive. That's rather significant.
Like I said, you can consider my vote for XeliN as his first vote. Which I have not modified yet. It's ridiculous of you to accuse me of being scum just for trying to be careful and making sure we don't have a mislynch.
What now? If I vote for one of them you're going to accuse me of being scum because I'll be the 3rd or 4th person to vote for them? Seems like I can't win here with you (and I don't intend to, it's a pretty poor accusation).
Would you have preferred I voted randomly for one of the two and hope that I hit mafia so the actual mafia won't hammer him? It only takes two misguided townies agreeing on another townie to lynch with mafia support.
Now please, stop trying to rush people into voting before we hear back from everyone (RoL and Hobbes), unless it's late in the day (like 1~4 hours before deadline depending on votes and activity). Compared to XeliN and BrownBear I don't think you look scummy but please don't make things worse for yourself.
Also RoL stated that we should be active, and then disappeared. You think we should lynch the hypocrite or the liar? (Either way I have no intention of doing either until hearing from them, and after hearing back from them I doubt I will be changing from XeliN/BB to one of them.)
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Since XeliN decided to post some delicious PMs, I decided I would do so myself as well, nothing as exciting, but since he hasn't responded in this thread since I have PM'd him back and I'm already done making my lovely post for him. Here it is!
Like I said, no reason to be PMing, please pose your question in the thread. If you have already done so then I'm sorry I didn't notice it, a reference to that will suffice.
----------------------------------------- Original Message: Your long ass post is old and doesn't address anything beyond it. (not having the enviable ability to timetravel)
----------------------------------------- Original Message: Did you not read my long ass post analyzing everyone?
This conversation has no reason to be in PM. Feel free to question me in the thread.
----------------------------------------- Original Message: Why do you think I'm scummy, what about my posting, points I've made e.t.c makes you suspect I'm red?
Never mind that I am suspicious of why you wanted to carry out this conversation in PM (when I clearly stated we should proceed to the thread instead). Here's your analysis.
I don't see that I have that much explaining to do, the first vote of any game is pretty much a crapshoot and Abenson pretty much outlined that he wasn't not being very useful. I was against them initially rushing to vote for Abenson based almost entirely on his LaL posting but then he carried on being unuseful and providing no defence for himself other than accusing people of being scum.
If you're playing a 30 people game sure let's just lynch someone random the first day. But we can only afford 2 consecutive mislynches before we're in peril 3T/2M on day 3. I don't think first day is something to be taken lightly from this perspective.
I don't agree with voting someone off because they're not very useful in a 9 people game. (In fact even in the other mafia, I mostly propose we should look for better targets to vote for than Scara and nai.Protoss because even if they were mafia they're not going to contribute that much anyway)
Also there is no such thing as "save some time," only robbing the town of valuable time they could use to analyze (more like, give them more time to possibly be online and read the thread and respond). By just hammering in the vote, you robbed us of the potential opinion of other people who could've been mafia. This is valuable information we could use later to find them. Therefore this is very scummy behaviour overall. Don't brush off rushing the first day's lynch, giving town less information is never good.
So we're all done with your whole shenanigan, and now comes the big reveal. PM conversation with d3. Well let's see, you think d3 is mafia. Have you thought about this from a town's perspective?? If d3 is not mafia, you just ratted out his "big plan" to get Johnny, congratulations. Were you perhaps scared because Johnny is your partner and you were afraid d3 was going to catch him? You can accuse him of being scum for trying to gauge whether you are blue as much as he could have an argument for suspecting both you and Johnny for you insisting on asking about his plan. Of course, you were "just curious" and wanted to know the plan. Well he was "just curious" and wanted to know if you were blue.
Glad to see you're finally understanding how important it is not to vote too quickly, but you still put out a vote for d3, and rather than doing something you can control (unvoting for d3) you ask other people to not vote for d3... So what? If someone votes for d3 and he turns out town you can say but see guys, I told you guys not to vote so soon!
d3 clearly stated that he was just getting the vote out of the way. And he did follow up with analysis. So if you're going to re-vote for d3 later please provide new analysis on the relevance of that.
So there you have it XeliN, my new post just for you.
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Good night folks, I will be back in 14 hours or so. I really don't wish to see a mislynch before I get back. xD
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What now? If I vote for one of them you're going to accuse me of being scum because I'll be the 3rd or 4th person to vote for them? Seems like I can't win here with you (and I don't intend to, it's a pretty poor accusation). i guess choice of words were too strong. i'm not really saying you are scum at all, just saying in my opinion, not voting in this situation seems like scummy behavior. an actual red could just be lurking and waiting for 3 votes onto a green and then cast the decisive vote and skate by with another mislynch. can you see why i thought not voting looked like scummy behavior? there is a lot of information that one could use to cast a vote.
you're right tho, i forgot about your spirit vote on xelin a couple pages back. so i apologize for misinterpreting your actions. i really wasn't accusing you of being scum, only bb and xelin. i hope we're still cool.
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So we're all done with your whole shenanigan, and now comes the big reveal. PM conversation with d3. Well let's see, you think d3 is mafia. Have you thought about this from a town's perspective?? If d3 is not mafia, you just ratted out his "big plan" to get Johnny, congratulations. Were you perhaps scared because Johnny is your partner and you were afraid d3 was going to catch him? You can accuse him of being scum for trying to gauge whether you are blue as much as he could have an argument for suspecting both you and Johnny for you insisting on asking about his plan. Of course, you were "just curious" and wanted to know the plan. Well he was "just curious" and wanted to know if you were blue.
thanks admiral! i totally forgot that d3 had a plan to get me
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I PM quite abit in games that allow it, you put out you find me suspicious and I wanted to know why, but seeing you've written a big post im going to read it now.
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ok your points seem weak to me, but then again I know I'm town and that the one single thing that I have done that could be linked to a mafia type action is the vote for Abenson, although I fully explained that. Anyway...
Firstly I have outlined the reasons why I find d3 suspicious, you claim I haven't but please go back and reread, secondly his "big plan" you mention, if you read the actual PM's between us I sepcifically ask him, "what is your plan for johnny or are you going to keep it close to your chest" he doesn't even respond which led me to believe his "big plan" was a "big fail". If he legitimately had a plan but didn't want to reveal to me he would have just said "I'm not saying now, you'll find out later on e.t.c" but he didnt even address it, also I felt the suspicious nature of his PM's was more worthwhile to share with the town than the slight chance he actually had a plan(on retrospect I could have simply edited out the big about it but either way imo your overstressing something unimportant and I doubt he had a plan anyway)
You say Instead of doing something I can control (removiing my vote from d3 to not risk someone getting lynched before everyone has had a chance to contribute//show they are active) I instead keep it and simply ask others not to bandwagon too soon. I removed my vote, admittedly the red tagging didn't work but it was still bolded plain as day, just as you have failed to read my reasons for voting d3 and jumped to the conclusion that I didn't//don't have any so you have failed to read that I changed my vote.
So as far in terms of substantial reasons for considering me mafia, you are relying on my voting Abenson. I have explained this as best I can and outlined my reasoning//mindset behind it. If you think that is bullshit then fine I can do no more, but I would ask you to reread my posts talking about that as the only point you brought up about my defence of the vote on Abenson, was that I considerend Abenson to not be very useful and you said you disagree with voting for someone based on their usefulness.
Put more effort into your analysis, if i am mafia then it is in your interest to address my specific points of defence, analyse my posting, not simply rely on your opinion of actions and generalisations.
And RoL can you hurry up and post...
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The last bit in the post above was to eveyone, not specific to you Kor, you haven't generalised much but there seems to be quite alot of "seems scummy as hell to me" type comments flying around without much backup.
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Brownbear, your entire analysis falls apart due to the fact that d3 didn't claim to have a night action. Your posts generally are fairly nonsensical and contain scummy analysis. As of now, Vote: Brownbear
Otherwise, however, my suspicions lie with Johnny. Abenson's mislynch has given you a perfect opportunity to incessantly paint everyone in the game red pretty credibly. You've taken this and run with it in a big way, and your play in general suggest to me mafia in the style of DrH from Incognito's game, in which the mafia takes control of the thread, becoming the most frequent poster and "leading" the town. I don't know about you, it's mainly a feeling, so my vote is with Brownbear for now. Still, I want to make it clear that at least one person is extremely wary of you
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Hobbes your are not the only one, I was suspicious and still am of johnny for the same reason, I disagree on voting brownbear, if this was the first day lynch I would be fine with it because the reasons against him seem similar to the reasons raised against Abenson but we have far more information to go on now and quite frankly far better candidates. Brown does not seem mafia although I'll have to go over the other game because if he shows clarity, strong argument and reasoning e.t.c then the fact it is missing from this game would be telling.
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Tell us what you find on Brownbear in the other game, should be fascinating
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XeliN, I saw that you fail-removed your vote. But that's when you said you were going to be busy for the next 10 hours, it wasn't related to you warning the town not to immediately jump onto d3.
I never said your reasons for voting d3 was a problem, I'm just saying that revealing some info, if d3 turns out to be not mafia, is bad for town.
Hobbes, why do you post so little? Dx (nothing wrong with the content of your posts, just so little of em...)
So now we need to hear from RoL... =\
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On April 29 2010 00:43 XeliN wrote: I PM quite abit in games that allow it, you put out you find me suspicious and I wanted to know why, but seeing you've written a big post im going to read it now.
I don't have an issue with PMing.
I don't have an issue with you wanting to know why I find you suspicious.
I see no reason why you wouldn't do it in this thread however unless you're mafia and you want to use the information I give you to help you appear less scummy.
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On April 29 2010 06:46 Korynne wrote: XeliN, I saw that you fail-removed your vote. But that's when you said you were going to be busy for the next 10 hours, it wasn't related to you warning the town not to immediately jump onto d3.
I never said your reasons for voting d3 was a problem, I'm just saying that revealing some info, if d3 turns out to be not mafia, is bad for town.
Hobbes, why do you post so little? Dx (nothing wrong with the content of your posts, just so little of em...)
So now we need to hear from RoL... =\
I post so little because I'm a student and a musician who plays gigs on a pretty regular basis, meaning I have very little time. I try to make as many insightful posts as I can, but I'm always pretty insanely busy. I've only had the opportunity to post today because I'm home sick.
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With 7 alive, it is 4 to lynch. L-1: 3 votes for brownbear (johnnyspazz, d3_crescentia, [NyC]Hobbes) L-2: 2 votes for d3_crescentia (XeliN, BrownBear)
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On April 29 2010 02:12 [NyC]HoBbes wrote: Otherwise, however, my suspicions lie with Johnny. Abenson's mislynch has given you a perfect opportunity to incessantly paint everyone in the game red pretty credibly. You've taken this and run with it in a big way, and your play in general suggest to me mafia in the style of DrH from Incognito's game, in which the mafia takes control of the thread, becoming the most frequent poster and "leading" the town. I don't know about you, it's mainly a feeling, so my vote is with Brownbear for now. Still, I want to make it clear that at least one person is extremely wary of you
hrm i would agree if you if the people i voted for kept flipping green but thanks for the heads up LETS LYNCH BROWNBEAR ALREADY!
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Ok I have decided I'm going to be voting: Johnnyspazz
My vote on Cresentia was a reactionary response to the mafia like PM's and also that he seems to be playing so differently this game than the others I have been with him in, given that to my knowledge he has been town in all of those something seemed off however, he has explained somewhat the PM interactions and there was alot of room for misinterpretation so I shouldn't overstate that, his different manner is still worrying to me but not enough for a vote as of now.
Johnny on the other hand has continuously, almost from the moment the first lynch was decided, attempted to cast suspicion far and wide and without much credible analysis. His posts seem so scumlike to me as this is EXACTLY the type of thing that benefits mafia yet does not benefit town and so I'm voting him.
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And Kor, I removed my vote and said I was going to be away for some time, but think through this, clearly it means I do not want anyone to be lynched in the time that I am away, whilst not explicitly stating "i removed my vote to avoid a quick lynch" that was the intent, there doesn't seem another explanation although I haven't tried to think up a possible one.
As to the PM's I see a little more clearly now. I thought you were opposed to it as you believed I wanted to stop you posting analysis on me to everyone and just keep it private so people don't get to see. This baffled me a little as I've tried to make it clear I want people to analyse as long as it is justified and I will always respond to it. But you said it's because you suspected I might do so in order to get tips on how to come across less mafialike (this assuming I am mafia) and in that case it does make sense although I would say it's a little far-fetched but certainly plausible.
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Also I should mention i would change my vote if it would mean lynching RoL, unless he posts ofc, but even then there needs some serious explanation as to why he has done absolutely nothing this game. I would think he is close to being modkilled currently, especially given how small this game is.
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BM, when is day over? I will vote for BrownBear if the day is going to end. But definitely want to hear from RoL.
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I think XeliN, BrownBear and Johnny are probably most suspicious looking atm.
So I'm okay with lynching any of the 3. So I'll wait until the end of the day and vote.
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With 7 alive, it is 4 to lynch. L-1: 3 votes for brownbear (johnnyspazz, d3_crescentia, [NyC]Hobbes) L-3: 1 vote for d3_crescentia (BrownBear) L-3: 1 vote for johnnyspazz (XeliN)
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On April 29 2010 08:46 Korynne wrote: BM, when is day over? I will vote for BrownBear if the day is going to end. But definitely want to hear from RoL.
whenever it's 3am EST... I believe 4pm KST.. not sure though. it's in like six and a half hours i believe.
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actually, the day could end early if someone is majority lynched. if the vote is tied, i will wait on another vote to be added to or taken off one of the players. if this does not occur in around a quarter of a day i will end the day with a no lynch.
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no rush, though, you all have over 6 hours
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Bill I love that you manage to post 4 times in a row even in your own games
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Bill will RoL be lynched if he does note vote//post before the next night?
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Also we cannot let this day go by without someone getting lynched, simply someone has to a no lynch is advantageous to the mafia.
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XeliN, I said I would lynch BrownBear if the time comes. I just want to wait to see if RoL will show up.
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BrownBear doesn't seem mafia and im suprised so many of you think so, but looks like he's getting the chop...
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Well XeliN I thought you were mafia and nobody else seems to want to vote for you, so what do you know. xD
Uh Bill, would it be possible to vote at 2am? >.< I have to go to bed, so since noone's really talking and RoL is nowhere to be found, I think I will just turn in for the night.
So uh, at 3PM KST,
Vote BrownBear
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I want to deliberate for a moment before Brownbear is killed, therefore, I switch my vote to Abstain for the moment
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This is actually giving me a terrible headache, trying to figure out what the hell is going on. But, here we go:
Johnny, I think you're scum. In fact, I know you're scum. Why do I think this, and how do I know this? Let's start here:
On April 28 2010 11:19 johnnyspazz wrote: no i wouldn't call myself an obvious green but i would say i'm trying to be pro-town in my mind abenson was an obvious green and thats why i didn't vote for him. his posts weren't particularly scummy to me. your vote while partially justified also confuses me because all abenson did was bring up an underlying point in all mafia games. A post that seems fairly innocent enough, though it's beyond me why anyone would call Abenson an 'obvious green.'
Let's move onto here:
On April 28 2010 15:22 johnnyspazz wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2010 14:59 XeliN wrote: Xelin's the one that's actually claimed that said he doesn't have a night action No, I, Did, Not. so xelin, why are you making such a big deal over something that's so trivial? d3 thought you had a night action and if you were green, you would just say, "i have no night action" and that would be the end of it. if you were blue, you would still stand by the same statement. now if you were scum, i'm guessing you would also do the same. however, you aren't doing this and it's quite puzzling to me. what harm could possibly come from claiming you have no night action? Show nested quote +On April 28 2010 14:59 XeliN wrote: However, I agree with you that browns analysis does seem really lacking, but from what I know of you, you would highlight this, explain how how he is wrong in his reasoning and possibly place FoS because of it. Not jump to "Oh i had better lynch BrownBear now".. you really are acting unusually to me and it's making my thoughts that you are mafia all the stronger. umm... did you read her post? d3 didn't just say, "brownbear, your analysis sucks." she poked many holes in brownbear's defense and specified exactly what was "wrong" with it. is this a pathetic attempt at trying to get the suspicion off your scum teammate? Show nested quote +On April 28 2010 13:51 BrownBear wrote: I liked the LaL policy at first, but then I thought about it seriously, and yeah, it's pretty dumb. LaL is only stupid if you use extreme examples to counter it. LaL is how every single mafia game should be played since nine times out of ten, the mafia players are lying. how can anyone say lynching liars is a bad thing? your defense is just plain awful; you make so many bad points. d3 has already pointed some of them out for me. i wouldn't be surprised if both xelin and brownbear are both scum. right now, all of their posts reek of scum. can we lynch these two already? Why, thank you for such a fervent defense - even though I didn't actually *ask* for one, nor did I expect one coming from you. I actually find it kind of surprising that you would do so, given that Xelin had just caught me in a pretty compromising situation after having asked him about his night action, and considering *I* started the entire interaction between us.
It fascinates me to no end why BrownBear would decide to jump on my bandwagon with such terrible reasoning, but given his track record so far in his games, I'm actually willing to bet that he's town - given that his whole analysis rested on the fact that he misread how the PM interaction went. What intrigues me *more* is that you would push for him so fervently - case in point:
On April 29 2010 07:33 johnnyspazz wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2010 02:12 [NyC]HoBbes wrote: Otherwise, however, my suspicions lie with Johnny. Abenson's mislynch has given you a perfect opportunity to incessantly paint everyone in the game red pretty credibly. You've taken this and run with it in a big way, and your play in general suggest to me mafia in the style of DrH from Incognito's game, in which the mafia takes control of the thread, becoming the most frequent poster and "leading" the town. I don't know about you, it's mainly a feeling, so my vote is with Brownbear for now. Still, I want to make it clear that at least one person is extremely wary of you hrm i would agree if you if the people i voted for kept flipping green but thanks for the heads up LETS LYNCH BROWNBEAR ALREADY! Why, so we can get rid of a townie, have a brief discussion about it, then get one of the town loudmouths killed during the night so suspicion falls back on the people they argued with?
Alright. Last order of business - this curious discussion with Korynne.
On April 28 2010 17:36 johnnyspazz wrote:Show nested quote +What now? If I vote for one of them you're going to accuse me of being scum because I'll be the 3rd or 4th person to vote for them? Seems like I can't win here with you (and I don't intend to, it's a pretty poor accusation). i guess choice of words were too strong. i'm not really saying you are scum at all, just saying in my opinion, not voting in this situation seems like scummy behavior. an actual red could just be lurking and waiting for 3 votes onto a green and then cast the decisive vote and skate by with another mislynch. can you see why i thought not voting looked like scummy behavior? there is a lot of information that one could use to cast a vote. you're right tho, i forgot about your spirit vote on xelin a couple pages back. so i apologize for misinterpreting your actions. i really wasn't accusing you of being scum, only bb and xelin. i hope we're still cool. Hey, you know what's a perfectly good way to broadcast your scummitude? Commenting on a situation of what a red would do so that you look all the more innocent for not doing it!
Vote: Johnnyspazz
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Just the kind of thing I was hoping would happen before BrownBear went down. As I stated before, I get a huge scum feeling from johnny. Now that some other people share my views,
Vote:Johnnyspazz
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Oh man, finall something is up.
At 3pm KST Vote: Johnnyspazz
Goodnight people~
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This last minute jump is worrying me slightly, assuming the mafia would not vote for one of their own in order to establish trust, and assuming that johnny is actually red, that leaves either brownbear or RoL as the other mafia. This is possible and would be great although something seems slightly amiss.
tbh Johnny has played in such a scummy fashion that I really shouldn't be second guessing at this point, but when last minute jumps are made it's worrysome.
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wow, people actually think i'm scummy...that's kinda unexpected.
Why, thank you for such a fervent defense - even though I didn't actually *ask* for one, nor did I expect one coming from you. I actually find it kind of surprising that you would do so, given that Xelin had just caught me in a pretty compromising situation after having asked him about his night action, and considering *I* started the entire interaction between us.
thanks for misunderstanding. no, im not defending you, im attacking xelin because his posts are so bad. you see, its very easy to attack players who are bad at posting.
Why, so we can get rid of a townie, have a brief discussion about it, then get one of the town loudmouths killed during the night so suspicion falls back on the people they argued with? i dont really know what this means. please explain.
Hey, you know what's a perfectly good way to broadcast your scummitude? Commenting on a situation of what a red would do so that you look all the more innocent for not doing it!
lol, so i guess explaining my reasoning of calling korynne's behavior scummy is actually scummy behavior! who would of thought.
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oh wait, i'm already dead great job town i got to say, this town is probably one of the dumbest ones i've ever played with. gl winning
Vote: johnnyspazz
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Ok, I Remove Vote i believe you johnny take the vote off yourself plz, was having misgivings and you wouldn't post like that, as well as edit, on your final post if you were mafia.
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I'm not even sure self voting counts, it never has in any other games.
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wait what the eff, hold on fuck, is korynne's vote like that allowed? i thought i was already dead and thats why i voted for myself. i missed the part where he said at the end of day.
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anyway if his voted didn't count, and my vote does, i'm still dead and i don't really care cause im just going to flip green and its going to be 3-2 and then one mis vote on a townie by another townie and its over hahahaha
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On April 29 2010 15:02 johnnyspazz wrote: wait what the eff, hold on fuck, is korynne's vote like that allowed? i thought i was already dead and thats why i voted for myself. i missed the part where he said at the end of day. I don't know how BM is doing things, but in the normal games that would be considered an "autochange" which is disallowed. Personally, I would count it as a vote when she posted it, but I'm just a nosy lurker.
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On April 29 2010 15:00 XeliN wrote: Ok, I Remove Vote i believe you johnny take the vote off yourself plz, was having misgivings and you wouldn't post like that, as well as edit, on your final post if you were mafia. i don't think you can save me after a majority of votes is reached. anyways, we just need to wait for BM to give his final ruling.
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The majority of votes has not been reached, if Kor's vote counts at 3 and I took mine off at the same time then it is only 3 people voting for you, all that matters is whether you are allowed to vote for yourself (in which case yeah your fucked) but that has never been allowed in any other games and it seems unlikely to be allowed now, especially when taking into account the only reason you voted for yourself was that you were sure majority had already been reached which it had not.
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i made a mistake in reading a post, ignore that. i will accept the recent votes.
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She changed her vote before 3pm KST so how can that count? If she was not allowed to do the thing Qatol outlined then surely you should have told her it was against the rules or something, seems unfair to just decide now that your going to adopt that approach without mentioning it at all at the time the post was written.
If brownbear is mafia disregard all of this but lets face it he isn't...
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what do you mean by accept the recent votes?
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i don't mind someone saying they will vote someone at this time.
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like "i will vote someone at 3am" is fine to me
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On April 29 2010 13:52 Korynne wrote: Oh man, finall something is up.
At 3pm KST Vote: Johnnyspazz
Goodnight people~
The night ended here
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I will still be running it at 3am. Twilight is over. JohnnySpazz will be lynched.
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No the post below your edited one was in response to what you edited out about brown being lynched, I thought you had taken kor's vote at the time instead of at 3pm and somehow brown had ended up being killed. Was just misunderstanding, should i edit it out?
So is it a no lynch or are you counting Johnny's vote on himself? (also is anything happening to RoL)
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No more posting. It is night. I will modkill you.
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With 7 alive, it is 4 to lynch. L-3: 1 votes for brownbear (johnnyspazz) L-3: 1 vote for d3_crescentia (BrownBear) L-0: 4 votes for johnnyspazz (XeliN, d3_crescentia, [NyC]Hobbes, Korynne)
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johnnyspazz was sippin' on his coffee at a cafe when a horde of angry people bore down on the restaurant. To cries of "Murderer" and "You killed Radfield" or "He was a better man than you" and "Burn in Hell" he was literally kicked out of the cafe.
The people had gathered a multitude of stones. johnnyspazz feebly begged and pleaded for them not to do it like this, but it was to no avail as the stones were thrown they weren't going to be stopped.
there was a general uneasy feeling among the people as they distanced themselves from one another. the mob started to mill out and people couldn't help but think that it could be them next. it was as if the death had brought on ill omens unto the town.
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The day will begin whenever a replacement is found for RebirthofLegend, or whenever it is 3am tomorrow, whichever occurs latter. If you are interested in the spot, PM me.
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Just so you guys know I PMed him asking if I can stay in and promise I will post more. I have been reading the entire game just not posting because I don't have the time right now to post, however after tonight I will 100% have time to post and argue.
The reason why I didn't post my behavior analysis's is because I haven't had time to argue them and answer questions after the fact. So while I do have time to post my thoughts and my suspects, I do NOT have time to argue and keep reinforcing my analysis's suspects, and thoughts which is why I have refrained from posting as of yet.
If BM allows me to continue playing as soon as the day post comes up I will begin posting actively. Today I am finishing up all the school work I owe and will be home free afterwords. Sorry to all townies for being the most inactive person, I hate that and it sucks that I allowed myself to get in such a situation.
My apologies to the BM for joining his game and being inactive, and I am sorry for the town who I have been inactive towards.
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*mills layne voice* i'll allow it.
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d3_crescentia was hunting mafia He was onto them. He had changed his mind around three times on who he would be following that night, but he was certain that he could smell mafia. The whiff of it was in the air, filling his nose like a leftover burrito in the microwave or the smell of cheap cigars in an enclosed area.
He was feeling quite paranoid and was looking behind himself a lot. He was walking back to his car from following his most recent tail. All that was between himself and his car was a vacant alley next to an old church with one flickering streetlight as light between. Mustering up the courage to make the last part of his venture to his Tercel, he nearly skipped while hurrying down the yellow lower part of the sidewalk of a crosswalk. His car was right there.
As the wind fluttered behind him, he quickly glanced over his shoulder, looked behind, and saw nothing. Ha, all this tailing was making him a little nervous and edgy. Right about that time the streetlight flickered off. He froze.
About half a minute later when he found the will inside himself to walk the remaining ten feet to his car, he breathed a sigh of relief. He opened the door, got in, and fumbled for his keys a little.
He put the keys in the ignition... turned the key...
d3_crescentia the detective is dead.
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Man I don't even drive =[
I'd prefer that I was hit by a train or found hanging from a lamppost or something.
Goodluck~
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Oh man this game is turning into a complete fail.. the whole Johnny thing disheartened me as quite frankly he shouldn't have been lynched, and when cresentia messaged me that he had chosen to role check me last night and I flipped green I took it as 100% proof that he was mafia, only a complete idiot would rolecheck me after all of the interactions surround the Johnnyspazz lynch//nonlynch, that in itself pretty much confirmed me so when he said he rolechecked me of all people it "knew" he was red.
I told RoL cresentia had claimed mafia by the way and outlined to him exactly why d3 was clearly red. As such it's a fair bet that RoL himself is actually red given the latest kill.
Few PM's
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From: d3_crescentia [ 1364 posts | Profile | Buddy ] Subject: Re: are you green? Date: 4/30/10 12:12 I actually changed my check between you, BrownBear and RoL several times then told myself to stop worrying about it and just go with someone.
I acknowledge that I do stupid things when I feel like I'm under pressure.
----------------------------------------- Original Message: No because it would actual make sense to check brownbear, but on the small possibility that you are being sincere, checking me was an absolutely idiotic thing to do for a DT and I'm suprised @ you, I thought I was meant to be the one who did stupid things xD
----------------------------------------- Original Message: *shrug* Probably was, but I'd be having an identical conversation with BrownBear should he have flipped green.
----------------------------------------- Original Message: I would have been prepared to consider the possibility had you not said you checked me, for the record that was your mistake.
----------------------------------------- Original Message: Sigh, I actually didn't think you would trust me - probably because I didn't trust you in the first place. I'd ask you to stop taking things at face value and consider why I did the things I did, but I was wrong to expect other people to think the same way I do or even try to understand what I'm doing when I've been going about things in a deliberately confusing way.
The way I thought was thus: if we get 3 confirmed alive townies by Day 3, counting myself - then we win, by process of elimination. And to make sure they survive, they need to be pretty loudmouthed and suspicious of each other in public (of course, allied in private). The Mafia should then target the voices of reason, and by Day 3 all of a sudden our three stooges come together and out the mafia, right there and then. I don't even have to claim DT publicly if the plan works - but the mafia would know what's up.
Of course, the problem is that if I were mafia, the strategy wouldn't really need to change at all. Funny thing, that.
Again, if you actually want to lynch me, I don't really blame you, since I turned this game into a total crapshoot with the Johnny lynch. Be careful of whoever else jumps on the lynch wagon with you, if you do decide to change your mind.
GG yo~
----------------------------------------- Original Message: You are clearly mafia and I shall do my utmost to have you lynched, wasting a vote on me, hell I am confirmed without you needing to check and your too intelligent not to realise that so thanks for confirming. I personally think your partner in crime is Hobbes but guess I'll see how we go. If you manage to persuade them not to believe me//lynch you tomorrow then guess you deserve the win...
----------------------------------------- Original Message: I thought I implied that I checked you tonight. If it wasn't clear, I'll just say this again - I checked you.
----------------------------------------- Original Message: Check brownbear tonight and see what he flips.
----------------------------------------- Original Message: Congratulations, you are now confirmed to be townie, not the Medic - which is what I was actually hoping you were. I am the Detective. I checked [nyc]hobbes on night 1, who also flipped town. I have enlisted the help of Korynne, who I decided to explicitly trust with all of my previous information.
My original intent was to play as scummy as possible yesterday without actually getting myself lynched, so that the next day the Mafia would leave me alive and try to get me lynched the following day when they can point to my scummitude. In the meantime, I would be checking players and establishing a town circle by PM. I apologize for the previous deception.
Given last night's recent shenanigans, though, I'd actually fully expect you not to trust me too readily. I'd been discussing the possibility of johnny being mafia with Hobbes last night, and we thought it might have been a good idea to switch. By the end of the day, though, I thought it would be perfectly acceptable to lynch BrownBear today even if he did flip green, as it would narrow the possibilities down by tomorrow.
Unfortunately, Hobbes pulled his vote off, and I panicked and made an accusation on Johnny that I hardly even believed myself after rereading it a second time... and then Johnny died and flipped green. It was a bit of a shame.
I actually would have been okay with pulling off this maneuver if there was more time to transpire, more dialogue, etc. so that it wouldn't be revealed that there was a likely PM circle between the three of us. But unfortunately at this point I am shaking my head and raging on the inside. I expect either myself, Hobbes or Korynne to die tonight.
On that note, if Korynne dies, you are put in a unique position of deciding whether or not me/Hobbes or Brownbear/RoL is more trustworthy. If you voted against me, I wouldn't really blame you.
If I/Hobbes dies, then you'll know the other is absolutely trustworthy. As I said before, my gut read of Korynne is green, and unless she says something blatantly red I don't expect my opinion of her to change.
And if you die, well - you can always ask Bill about the roles to confirm how retardedly risky I've been playing. It's true that I *do* have a way of overthinking things, but considering RoL is was my biggest suspect for being Mafia, I wanted to be sure I could baffle him for a second.
Well, if I die and we lose, then we all know who to blame! Good luck.
RebirthofLegend
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From: RebirthOfLeGenD [ 1815 posts | Profile | Buddy ] Subject: Re: Hi Date: 4/30/10 13:53 sorry, townie.
----------------------------------------- Original Message: kk that makes sense, before you go what is your role?
----------------------------------------- Original Message: alas I am allowed! I can't really respond too much right now, I am writing a major research paper atm. By tomorrow I will have virtually all my work for the remaining two weeks of school done and can actually be really active after the fact. When I will do the majority of my posting will be tomorrow night after 10 when I get home from work. I will give my two mafia suspects since we don't have bullshit time anymore.
I just need to reread the entire thread and take more notes then I will have my suspects with 24 hours to make a decision on which one of them we feel more strongly against.
I will however respond to my thoughts on Cresentia. Claiming to "Act like mafia" is fucking retarded for so many reasons, especially if you are a power role. Pretending to be mafia will serve the purpose of drawing the ire of the town (especially Day 1) which is fucking horrible. IF he really is a detective that was the dumbest move he could of made, if we actually lynched him we would be in deep shit just like in MicroMafia2 when Vivi died the first day to a lynch.
On that note I was suspicious of him to begin with, if he PMed you yesterday/tonight with that PM I would say it could be a mafia power play to try to perfect the game. If you think about it they need one more mislynch and we automatically lose the game. He could be trying to build support of himself from PMing a few players in order to get the votes required for him to force the lynch on an innocent.
Since you say you feel you have played an obvious townie to everyone, I would say any mafia with DECENT behavior analysis skill could probably pin you out as not blue (since they have an idea of the game format anyway) he could of claimed to you having a good idea of you being green and building support preemptively for his game winning lynch.
What I would advise you to do is keep talking to him, however watch out for anyone who votes with him and do NOT do as he says entirely. Use your brain and make the most LOGICAL decision. Reread MULTIPLE times before making your vote because with 4 players down they need 4 to get a lynch since its autolynch@majority, that means if you see someone get two votes on them be careful to place that third vote because the mafia can easily force the lynch at that moment and end the game.
We need to be VERY careful and utterly certain before casting any single vote on the next day because it opens up the ability for the mafia to force a mislynch.
Tomorrow I am going to be inactive most of the day (until about 10 at night as I said above) so I would ask if you would post my above warning about the certainty we must take before casting a vote, since 2 wrong votes on a person means the mafia can force the bad lynch.
On that note I want you to know this right now and keep an eye out and stay vigilant. The mafia are most likely going to get sloppy the next day. They are going to get overzealous with the possibility at finishing the game so keep an eye out, reread every post during tomorrow. Anyone who is posting a LOT especially if they are continuously attacking one person is most likely a mafia trying to aggressively finish the game.
Stay vigilant and we can still take this back, lets hope my analysis is up to scratch as it has been the last few games.
----------------------------------------- Original Message: If you have been following the game it should be fairly clear to you I am green.
Cresentia has roleclaimed detective to me and also claimed he has checked me and I have come back green (he is correct in this, I am green), however from following the thread it is obvious that I am green or pro-town without needing to check, his wasting of a check on me is enough in itself to tell me he is lying in his detective claim and is red.
In my opinion, before his PMing me it seemed fairly obvious that the two mafia lie in either cresentia, hobbes and Kor, my instinct being Cresentia and Hobbes, cresentia for this development and other thing's I've outlined in the thread and I guess you can add his vote for Johnny on top of that, Hobbes because of his manner of kinda keeping under the radar, not overly engaging in analysis and getting away with posting little of value but enough to semi-justify his votes.
Ofc Kor is a possibility too.
All of this is highly dependant on you being green however, or blue although I personally think that the set up this game is 2 mafia 7 greens.
Anyway respond yo, you might not be allowed back in the game but whilst you still can I want your input ^^
So basically this is where we stand, me and Hobbes are confirmed greens, that means the mafia are either Korynne, RoL or Brownbear.
The first and most obvious lynch is Korynne, Cresentia in his PM's to me says he had trusted her with all of the information and as such she knew he was a detective, RoL also knew and is worth considering for the same reason however, Korynne was involved in getting Johnny lynched and has so far has contributed in casting suspicion at every single pro-town player who has been lynched. She has to go, whatever Happens the one remaining townie HAS to vote alongside me and Hobbes, so now we need Hobbes to post abit but quite frankly right now Korynne seems like the most logical choice.
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If you KNOW you are the last remaining green player then get in contact with both me and Hobbes.
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In the first post change "only a complete idiot" to "it was an idiotic thing to do" didn't mean it to come across like that and I have done far worse//idiotic things myself.
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You can say there is a good chance I am red but in case you didn't notice my entire PM to you was about how I thought he was red and how I thought he would use that "rolecheck" on you to help manipulate the vote and force a lynch to autowin the mafia the game.
Just as a summary for anyone who doesn't feel like reading the entire PM that I wrote to Xelin.
DO NOT cast your vote until you are 100% sure. Do not autocast right now to stall time. If a person lays a vote on the WRONG person the mafia can just double vote that guy and force the lynch in their favor.
With that said, please wait at least ONE day before casting your vote. I am going to be quite busy all day today and can't vote and if I come back and we lost I am going to be pissed at someone.
And Xelin, I don't care how sure you are about who the mafia is. We need to decide as a COLLECTIVE who to lynch then go and do it together. If we get some stray asshole who votes and screws us over I am going to be pissed.
We either win together, or we die together. If allow ourselves to get separated the mafia will fuck us. With that being said, reread EVERYTHING you can and before you cast your vote be 100% sure that you are voting someone you are sure is mafia and present your reasons before voting.
I can't stress the importance of not jumping the gun on a vote in such a critical moment like the one we are in.
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no sure I agree, it's simple fact that the mafia are two of either yourself, Kor and brownbear. If you were actually a town player then this would be immediately obvious and instead of writing the above you would be proclaiming far and wide that korynne and brown are mafia.
let me repeat for emphasis. The mafia are two of either Korynne, Brownbear and RebirthOfLegend. That is a fact, considering this it seems apparant that if Rebirth was actually town he would be in the unique position of 100% KNOWING who the mafia are. And yet he posts the above post? and hasn't even mentioned anything akin to it in his PM's with me. Based on this it seems obvious that RoL is mafia and is now my top consideration for who we should lynch.
I have to admit D3 flipping red kinda threw me as at the time I was 100% positive that he was mafia as his being blue made no sense whatsoever, in that same way I am now "sure" RoL is but decide for yourself (hobbes and remaining town person) and consider the points above.
He does bring up a good point however and yeah we should definately wait untill the last possible moment before passing our vote, once again whoever is town make sure you vote the same as whoever me and Hobbes vote for, we are confirmed town.
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Not that it seems necessary, but just posting confirming that d3 PM'd me about XeliN and Hobbes checking out town.
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On April 30 2010 20:43 XeliN wrote: no sure I agree, it's simple fact that the mafia are two of either yourself, Kor and brownbear. If you were actually a town player then this would be immediately obvious and instead of writing the above you would be proclaiming far and wide that korynne and brown are mafia.
let me repeat for emphasis. The mafia are two of either Korynne, Brownbear and RebirthOfLegend. That is a fact, considering this it seems apparant that if Rebirth was actually town he would be in the unique position of 100% KNOWING who the mafia are. And yet he posts the above post? and hasn't even mentioned anything akin to it in his PM's with me. Based on this it seems obvious that RoL is mafia and is now my top consideration for who we should lynch.
I have to admit D3 flipping red kinda threw me as at the time I was 100% positive that he was mafia as his being blue made no sense whatsoever, in that same way I am now "sure" RoL is but decide for yourself (hobbes and remaining town person) and consider the points above.
He does bring up a good point however and yeah we should definately wait untill the last possible moment before passing our vote, once again whoever is town make sure you vote the same as whoever me and Hobbes vote for, we are confirmed town. lol? I am playing it safe. I personally have no way of confirming you or hobbes as town, for all I know you two could be the mafia.
Like I said to you in PM's, On this day we need to be careful more so then ever. Lets say you and hobbes are mafia and this is an plan you guys worked up to get one of us to preemptively vote on us and then you can stack?
I have seen elaborate shit happen like that before so excuse me if I don't immediately jump the gun and assume everything you say is 100% true.
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Alright... seeing that you are under the spotlight, I'm slightly suspicious about the veracity of that PM.
I really feel that this list of 3 (RoL, Korynne, me), is setting up a fight between townies that we really can't afford at this point. I know for a fact that I am town, so that would mean that Korynne and RoL would then be mafia (I think I learned my lesson about posting evidence ), but I also realize that the lynch target is probably me, for the following reasons:
I'm not particularly active I voted d3_cresentia yesterday (what was I thinking?) I just got modkilled in another game for being a dumbass I'm not particularly active. I VOTED FOR THE DETECTIVE HURR DURR
So now I'm caught in the REALLY awesome position of knowing who the mafia are (RoL and Korynne), but also being able to do absolutely jack shit about it. So, in my defense, I'm merely going to say this: We have one shot, town. Korynne and RoL are the two mafia goons, please please lynch one of them and not me. You all die too if we screw this up, and we have one shot left.
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Wow that was awesome brownbear, why don't you throw a vote on someone and really prove you are innocent? Analyze her, you can't analyze me yet because I haven't contributed much. However tonight at around 11:30 est I would say I will be churning out behavior analysis on the remaining players except for obviously myself.
Also the "PM me if your the last green" thing is retarded. I am not going to bother PMing you for two reasons. One, no one in their right mind would PM you claiming red, so anyone who PM's you is just as full of shit as the others.
Reason two, I claimed to you in our PM conversation since at this point it is irrelevant.
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On April 30 2010 22:25 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2010 20:43 XeliN wrote: no sure I agree, it's simple fact that the mafia are two of either yourself, Kor and brownbear. If you were actually a town player then this would be immediately obvious and instead of writing the above you would be proclaiming far and wide that korynne and brown are mafia.
let me repeat for emphasis. The mafia are two of either Korynne, Brownbear and RebirthOfLegend. That is a fact, considering this it seems apparant that if Rebirth was actually town he would be in the unique position of 100% KNOWING who the mafia are. And yet he posts the above post? and hasn't even mentioned anything akin to it in his PM's with me. Based on this it seems obvious that RoL is mafia and is now my top consideration for who we should lynch.
I have to admit D3 flipping red kinda threw me as at the time I was 100% positive that he was mafia as his being blue made no sense whatsoever, in that same way I am now "sure" RoL is but decide for yourself (hobbes and remaining town person) and consider the points above.
He does bring up a good point however and yeah we should definately wait untill the last possible moment before passing our vote, once again whoever is town make sure you vote the same as whoever me and Hobbes vote for, we are confirmed town. lol? I am playing it safe. I personally have no way of confirming you or hobbes as town, for all I know you two could be the mafia. Like I said to you in PM's, On this day we need to be careful more so then ever. Lets say you and hobbes are mafia and this is an plan you guys worked up to get one of us to preemptively vote on us and then you can stack? I have seen elaborate shit happen like that before so excuse me if I don't immediately jump the gun and assume everything you say is 100% true.
Korynne has confirmed that what d3 says is truth (a last ditch attempt to save her ass?) which would mean that people from both sides have confirmed what d3 pm'd as true, which lends it some credibility.
Also, you do realize why I'm not voting? If I vote, and we're all wrong, 2 mafia will jump our ass, lynch whoever I voted for, and we're screwed. I'm not gonna be the first to vote. Why don't you follow your own logic and vote yourself?
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What does this confirming have to do with a last ditch effort to save my ass?
I've spoken with d3 and hobbes in PM before. Hobbes can confirm this. Thankfully d3 PM'd me before he died last night and told me XeliN turned out town (otherwise I would be totally on lynching his ass today for being so jumpy about everything, but he turned out town (no reason for d3 to lie to us) so I'm obviously not going to bother analyzing him).
Out of me, BrownBear and RoL I think I'm the only one who knows that d3 is detective (from the sound of the way they're talking).
And considering that d3 told me he was detective (again, hobbes can confirm this) it would be retarded for me to kill d3 if I had known he was detective.
Let's see the scenarios: #1 Kill d3 D3 is dead, but he has a rolecheck: so either he finds a mafia and PMs the entire town, which case town lynches them today, or he finds a townie, in which case there's 2 confirmed townies.
#2 Kill someone else D3 is not confirmed, we all run around in circles accusing each other.
Let's see the scenario from BrownBear and RoL's perspective if they didn't know that d3 claimed to me and Hobbes that he's detective: #1 Kill someone else Let's see, I voted last yesterday, so that's probably suspicious enough to pull some bullshit on me. XeliN I've been going omg he's mafia for quite a while so he wouldn't be a good target. Hobbes is kind of inactive anyway so who cares he probably won't contribute much, and since he's inactive if mafia can somehow convince town that they're clean then hobbes looks bad because he'll be the lurker and suspected of mafia. #2 Kill d3 D3's the one posting analysis, XeliN voted for him first from some PM spaz so he probably can be blamed for being mafia after d3 dies. Plus the fact that XeliN is being suspected by me, so XeliN looks real suspicious once d3 is dead. RoL does some analysis on XeliN, I go omg see I knew it all along XeliN's acting so suspicious etc etc and then we get XeliN lynched, game over for us.
So which one of them should we lynch?
I say we lynch RoL, because he's less active. Tomorrow it'll be easier to prove that I'm innocent and BrownBear is guilty (obviously mafia is not going to be retarded and shoot one of us tonight) because BrownBear's posted a lot more than RoL. Not to mention RoL is inactive to the point of extinction (you could probably argue that Hobbes is mafia because he posts very little and stays under the radar but posting as little as RoL is pretty much like, screw this, I'm town, I don't feel like playing because I have a lot of work) so we can barely analyze him. He'll probably pull some fancy analysis up because I've posted so much (and I've accused XeliN like 50 times) and get me lynched just because there's not enough of him to analyze.
We should lynch RoL today and BrownBear tomorrow, because BrownBear is more active so tomorrow you can make a more informed decision between me and BrownBear.
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Oh right, not to mention that d3 wanted to check BrownBear last night and I mentioned that he should check XeliN because I thought XeliN was most definitely mafia.
If I was mafia then I'd know XeliN was town and asking d3 to clear my most suspicious target (the person who I can most easily convince town is mafia) would be retarded.
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Bill, you should link your posts to the OP dawg.
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Ok, so before I go through this thread I would like to point out the two mafia in this game, RoL and Korynne, as I have stated Korynne shall (assuming hobbes and brown concur) be lynched first, I'll start things going but I'll say to both hobbes and brown only post the vote once you are comfortable, brown you will obvious be fine doing it immediately as you know 100% sure that they are the two mafia (or are mafia yourself but the outcome is the same) and Hobbes if you want more discussion in order to come to your descision then vote for Kor, or argue for someone else and we'll address that. So
[red] Vote Korynne [red]
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Could you explain why you're voting for me?
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Like seriously, why is XeliN always the one making rash decisions in the game??
What are you going to do now, suddenly decide after I post my response to why you are accusing me freak out and go omg omg she's green shit we just lost?
You'd think you'd learn not to be so rash after Abenson and Johnny. Guess some people don't learn...
I thought we said we're doing this at the end of the day. If you're not going to explain why you're voting for me care to at least take it off before BB and RoL get back and gg us??
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There is nothing more to discuss from the position I am in, I consider you the most likely, as well as RoL, to be the mafia, I have made my descision, if it turns out to be wrong then so be it the longer this thread goes without other jumping on and voting you off the more red you are.
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Oh really? If you think BrownBear is innocent why isn't he voting then?
Mafia are just afraid you're going to pull a d3 and jump on the first person who votes for me or the other person who votes for me.
The only reason I don't think you're mafia is because d3 confirmed you. What happened to yo everyone let's wait and see? You play completely scum for town and if we lose this game I'm blaming it on you.
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If BrownBear was town he would vote as soon as possible.
The only reason he's waiting is probably because RoL hasn't gotten home yet (he said 11:30 est) which is 90min from now. It would be stupid for BrownBear to vote until his scum buddy got home to vote with him.
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On April 30 2010 18:40 XeliN wrote: If you KNOW you are the last remaining green player then get in contact with both me and Hobbes.
+ Show Spoiler + From: BrownBear [ 167 posts | Profile | Buddy ] Subject: Yo Date: 4/30/10 22:34 So this may be hard to believe, but I am actually the third townie. I realize you're probably skeptical given my level of activity + voting for d3 yesterday, but I was following similar logic to you for believing that d3 was mafia (he was making some fun, hilarious bonehead choices + drawing attention to himself).
So, for what it's worth, I'm townie. I have sent a similar PM to Hobbes.
the ONLY person to do so, if you really were townie and you didn't immediately contact me and hobbes to do all you possibly could to get us to realise that RoL and Brown are the remaining reds then I would say that you are a large reason we lost this game (on that hypothetical)
The fact you did not in itself puts you above brown as a lynch candidate and between brown and RoL the latter is far more scummy.
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I mean think about it once of you 100% KNOWS who the remaining mafia are and is town, the most natural and instinctual thing to do in that situation is post as much as you possibly can to persuade the remaning town that you are the last townie and you KNOW who the mafia are. It is such a natural reaction and yet you and hobbes have done nothing of the sort.
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Rofl, *one and *You and RoL
sorry hobbes your defo not red ^^
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That's the dumbest thing I've heard. Here's my PMs with d3. There is nothing different about my style. I don't like PMing because I don't believe that if you're townie you have something to hide, especially in the day time. PMing is like, oh hey, if I only talk to one person, he's less likely to find that I'm scummy. I thought you were scummy when you PM'd me because if you were townie there is no reason why you can't just ask me to analyze you in public.
I don't like PMs, that's not my style as a townie. The more information town has the better it is. Mafia can talk all they want in PM.
For you, hard to say. I'm trying to escalate this conflict between myself/Xelin as much as I can without getting myself lynched, so that there's more on an incentive for the Mafia to hit him, so that tomorrow it throws more suspicion back on me. Problem is that I jumped the gun a little too soon in prodding XeliN and so I actually might get lynched and thus cost us the game. Not too proud about that, but you live and you learn.
Should I die - we have a 3-2 scenario (here's to hoping Hobbes survives!) and we have a 2/3 chance of catching some scum. In the meantime, we need to gauge Xelin's reactions as best as possible. My gut and my experience tells me that johnnyspazz, not Xelin, is more likely to be mafia based on what we've seen so far (Xelin is consistently irrational and dumb, whereas johnny has never been known for playing aggressively). Brownbear strikes me as suspicious also.
Should I survive - if the Mafia is someone smart like RoL then he might not take the bait and hit you or Hobbes or someone else. I might decide to put my next check on someone that's currently flying low under the radar instead of you. That way the check will either return a red or we can use the process of elimination (3 confirmed town).
Of course, if I'm Mafia, well - I'd probably end up arranging to hit you anyway, because the rest of the town is either AFK or extremely misguided. Though it sort of leaves me wondering why I'd be agreeing to my own lynch now. On that note, that'll be a critical bandwagon to watch, should you actually not vote for me yourself. I wouldn't blame you.
If you're actually red then it's GG for town anyway, since I just blew it with an incredibly risky tactic and I'm telling you all of my plans - though if I end up dying tonight, I'm fairly certain it'll be either because of XeliN or you, or hey, maybe even BOTH of you! Then I guess you could just kill Hobbes and leave me alive with an incredibly scummy record and then BrownBear/you/XeliN could just get me lynched and it'd be game over.
But - I trust you. So when this is all over and you've won, I'll be sure to congratulate you on a job well done.
Cheers. =]
----------------------------------------- Original Message: And how do you propose I not get myself killed tonight?
----------------------------------------- Original Message: I don't think you're a liar, otherwise I'd have to implement Abenson's LaL policy in the next game we play in.
I am the Detective. [nyc]hobbes is green.
Don't get yourself killed tonight. =]
----------------------------------------- Original Message: That's a moot point to ask.
I am townie: Of course you can trust me. I am a blue role: Of course you can trust me. I am mafia: I lie, of course you can trust me.
So yes, d3, you can trust me. Now do you have something useful to say?
----------------------------------------- Original Message: You have absolutely no reason to trust me, but I'm going to trust you. Can I trust you?
----------------------------------------- Original Message: What kind of message is that? xD
Are you mafia and blue-hunting? Are you trying to start a townie circle? If you're starting a townie circle why should I trust you?
If you wish to talk, please send a more well thought out message next time.
Thank you.
----------------------------------------- Original Message: I think you are green
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Yes your right it's exceptionally dumb to PM people when the 2 ONLY town players left in the game are myself and Hobbes and I said get in contact with us.
Your right makes far more sense to post in the thread for everyone to see, it's not like PMing us both would mean every town player gets to see....
Your argument is dumb and illogical and is in no way making me second guess my vote on you.
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Although If by some miricle Kor actually is town could you, brown and rol, rip the band aid off and end it, the suspense is killing me ^^
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So what? You're just going to ignore everything in this game and just base everything on oh look hey BrownBear PM'd me. What a master plan, why didn't I think of that the first day?
I was the one who posted in the thread confirming you guys, BrownBear and RoL didn't believe you guys. So now I help out town and town comes back and bites me in the ass, fantastic.
Do I have to PM you and Hobbes now going OMG IM TOWN ITS ME ITS ME to prove that I'm town? Sounds like you're the one that's dumb and illogical.
Look guys, we have 10 pages of information and a bunch of PMs, let's just forget them because of one thing I asked people to do and oh hey, BrownBear is the odd one out! So if I had a little more time this morning and considered contacting Hobbes you would what? Decide immediately to lynch me and BrownBear because RoL is the only one who didn't respond?
If you're so intent on lynching me at least do me the favor of doing a proper analysis on me so I don't die thinking I got killed by the most illogical townie ever (thank god I asked d3 to check you last night or we'd have lost by now because I'm so convinced you're mafia, oh but I guess that won't matter now that you're going to lynch me anyway).
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You didn't confirm us at all, I posted the PM's directly from cresentia saying he was detective and had confirmed me and hobbes, korynne a proper analysis is not neccesary, you post analysis in order to persuade others to share your interpretation on the game, My mind is made up. I am not looking to persuade others that is up to them, posting analysis would only be for the benefit of me and I have already gone through to analysis in my own mind to come to this conclusion.
One of you is mafia, it boils down now to who we consider the most likely, if we do not all vote on the same person now then the mafia win, discussion seems pointless to me unless it would lead to me changing my mind and it won't I have already analysed the situation for myself. Now it's down to Hobbes to make up his own mind and for the remaining townie in the game to put his vote on the same person.
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If Hobbes feels strongly against your lynch then I will listen to his arguments and possibly change my mind, if he does not then it's full steam ahead.
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RoL is probably going to be back soon, that's gg to BrownBear and RoL in a bit.
Good job XeliN, single-handedly bringing down the town. I couldn't have done a better job if I was mafia.
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Don't give me all the credit, if you really are town then you helped a hell of alot too!
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How did I help? Do you see anyone else accusing me (other than BrownBear and RoL because that's like, duh)?
Hobbes and XeliN, I am town!! I am your only chance to win this game, don't throw it away!
There, I said it. Does that help my case? I'd hope not otherwise I certainly know how to win the next mafia game with you.
Don't be modest now, nobody's trying to steal credit from you. BrownBear not posting is more and more confirmation that he's mafia and just waiting for RoL to hammer me.
Remember if you're absolutely certain I am mafia and have to lynch me there's no reason you can't do it tomorrow AFTER you talk to Hobbes. Rushing is only beneficial for mafia.
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Finally your acting in a way that would make sense if you were town, it's slightly late to be considered an instinctual response to knowing 100% who the remaing mafia are, but the effort was there and thats what counts.
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This sums up my thoughts on the matter + Show Spoiler + On March 08 2010 11 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting 08 2010 11 end_of_the_skype_highlighting:37 Ace wrote:I'm no longer listening to anything you have to say. I only talk with my guns from now on.
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Funny, if I was mafia I'd think the first thing I would do is go OMG time to PM Hobbes and XeliN! Yes this is going to be sooo easy to win! I'm so glad I killed d3 last night because he wouldn't deal with any of this bullshit!
You so sure about BrownBear? Where is he hiding now huh? Let's see his posts: 2:46, 2:17, 14:04, 3:56, 13:51, 22:28, 22:59. Hmm, maybe RoL is actually waiting for BrownBear by the looks of the the time of BrownBear's posts (his last two posts being the ones defending himself and not at the same time as his other posts, do I smell a lurker here?). This guy's made a total of 7 posts (I went through pages 4-14 quickly, might be off) and did nothing for town and he comes by and claims townie to you and you believe him immediately after suspecting him last night? Unbelievable.
Yeah I posted an analysis of the situation rather than going "OMG IM TOWN I know I seem really sketchy but you just gotta believe me!" because I thought you would listen to reason. So I guess maybe it is my fault for forgetting you are totally illogical. You'd think I'd learn after seeing you do stupid things all game.
I'm still arguing with you on here because I am hoping Hobbes will at least be reasonable and read this before RoL and BrownBear both get online.
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Im thinking we get rid of RoL first, since there seems to be no debate as to his status as red
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On May 01 2010 12:10 XeliN wrote:This sums up my thoughts on the matter + Show Spoiler + On March 08 2010 11 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting 08 2010 11 end_of_the_skype_highlighting:37 Ace wrote:I'm no longer listening to anything you have to say. I only talk with my guns from now on.
most badass Mafia quote of all time
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Psssh, you're just saying that cuz you said it. xP
(I think, the quote is a bit messed up at the top)
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Good point Hobbes, I personally put Korynne on the top list with RoL at second but that does make more sense. Remove vote on Korynne, Vote RebirthOfLegend
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and btw just to outline if Kor now jumps on and votes RoL this is meaningless, she has to vote for him whether she is town or mafia assuming you do as well.
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Yes XeliN, you don't need to point out the obvious things that require LOGIC and REASONING to me.
Once both of you vote for the same person it is a given that we must vote with you. And the only reason I'd be hammering instead of RoL or BrownBear would be because I'm online right now and they are not yet online.
Did I miss anything XeliN?
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Only that I was not pointing them out to you, just trying to prevent any argument//defence based on it.
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You guys are obviously insane. I am too tired and exhausted the moment to formulate an amazing post explaining the world to everyone but to put it simply.
Kill Korynne, this should be obvious.
Vote:Korynne
But I am glad you fools waited long to start throwing votes around. I think your rampant vote switching was also an awesome move. I think you are just lucky that Korynne and Brownbear weren't on at the same time in order to sway the vote.
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Sorry rebirth, having almost 0 input into this game whatsoever and then calling us fools for voting you off when faced with a possibility that 2 out of 3 potentials are mafia doesn't really cut it for me.
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Vote: RebirthofLegend
Like I said, voting after Hobbes does.
We're so close guys, we can do this!!
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The way I see it, I am town. This means that out of the 4 of you, 2 are scum, and there are three possible options:
1: (The most likely option IMO) XeliN and Korynne are telling the truth, and d3's rolechecks are legit. If this is the case, then RoL and Korynne are both mafia, in which case, we will win.
2: (The least likely option) XeliN is lying, and he and hobbes are in fact the mafia. Korynne jumped on the bandwagon of saying "yeah, those are d3's rolechecks" to appear pro-town, but is inadvertently screwing us over. I don't think Korynne would do that, so I'm going to say this is 99% not true.
3: (Not as likely as option 1, but something to think about) XeliN and Korynne, the two who came out and said "Hey guys look d3's rolechecks" are actually the mafia. XeliN says that he and hobbes are town, which means hobbes (who is actually town) doesn't suspect him, due to the "evidence". All Korynne has to do is survive one day of suspicion, and the mafia have won.
This is something some people haven't noticed yet: It's 3 town to 2 mafia. Unless we lynch mafia today, the game is over, because the lynch and nightkill will make it 2 mafia to 1 town. Now, let's look at my 3 possible scenarios. I'm going to discount 2, because that happening would be crazy mad fucked-up, so that leaves 1 and 3. Thus, here are the options:
1: Mafia are RoL and Korynne 3: Mafia are XeliN and Korynne
At this point in the game, the mafia can afford to play a little more fast and loose with their teamwork. I think it's entirely possible that one would vote for the other, and if a bandwagon starts and they get lynched, then hey, the other mafia looks extremely pro-town, and he's got a pretty good chance of living.
Now, the question is this. Which of the three to lynch?
RoL: Pros: He seems to be the most scummy of the three, hobbes thinks he's scum (and I'm sure at this point hobbes is town), Korynne has a good point page 12 that he's inactive as shit
Cons: He's only mafia in one of these scenarios, if we fuck up we are screwed.
Korynne: Pros: She is mafia in both of the situations I think are most likely, she's provided some wonderful, insightful analysis on a bunch of townies that ended up getting them lynched.
Cons: She's active, she's a good player.
XeliN Pros: He could be a very very very sneaky mafia? If he is, he's honestly played the most undercover mafia I've ever seen in any game, both on and offline. Cons: Probably the least likely to be mafia out of the above 3, we can't afford to fuck this up.
So from my analysis, as tempting as it might be to just vote RebirthofLegend for being inactive, we don't have the luxury of just voting inactives off the island anymore: we need a mafia. And sadly, if my analysis is correct, in either case Korynne's gonna flip red. Sorry, bro (ladies is bros too )
Also, it was cute how you went from, in page 12, being like "Oh, BrownBear's active, we shouldn't lynch him first" to, on this page, being "HEY GUYS BROWNBEARS INACTIVE AS SHIT WHAT THE HELL MAN" the instant the FoS got pointed on you.
VOTE: KORYNNE
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Well Korynne guess this is a slightly good sign, if RoL was the town you would simply vote and then celebrate as you would have won, so at least RoL is red....
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Well, I realize the votes were all cast while I was writing that. Damn.
I really hope you guys were right.
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On May 01 2010 13:27 XeliN wrote: Well Korynne guess this is a slightly good sign, if RoL was the town you would simply vote and then celebrate as you would have won, so at least RoL is red.... GG you noobs, we just lost. Wait for the post now.
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There's still time for someone to change their post (admittedly, time = time until Bill Murray logs on, but still.
I really think voting RoL (yet) is a bad idea. We can discuss who to lynch tomorrow, but Korynne must die tonight for us to continue.
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And wow at brownbear, I thought I would not change my mind on Korynne but I have to admit that post is persuasive.
This seems like potentially a last ditch attempt by RoL and Brown to have you lynched (i have alrdy voted for you so they might have hoped I would change back to you)
Actually this is a moot point and doesn't need analysis, tomorrow if RoL flips red then brownbear is obviously red too, fingers crossed we got this one right as thankfully now we will not need to bother trying to determine who out of Brown and Kor is mafia.
If Brown is town then he knows right now that RoL is red, the possibility of brown being green and not voting for him is 0% so I hope to god we were right on RoL...
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The game is now essentially over, voting majority for RoL has been reached, either mafia have just won or we have a guaranteed win so mafia just come out with it I really want to know ^^
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Meh. I mean, I am green, I am also just convinced Korynne is mafia, and I have yet to see conclusive evidence on RoL besides "well, he's inactive, so..."
But I guess at this point it's up to fate. I mean, if you want to convince me of RoL's redness, feel free. I feel like you're using your confirmed green-ness as both a shield and a weapon here, but trolling the pages since the last lynch, there is not one shred of evidence in my mind that RoL is red, and there is significant evidence that Korynne is. So, I'm voting with what I can see. I do look forward to your reasoning why RoL is mafia.
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Also, you never PMed me back. I feel so alone and abandoned...
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Man, as bad as I feel for turning this game into a crapshoot for the town, I can't help but say I take some sort of guilty pleasure in watching the tension and high drama as it all unfolds.
WE'LL SEE WHAT HAPPENS YO~
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brown please understand this simple concept.
Two of either you, Korynne and RoL are mafia. This is an established fact
If you are town then you know who the other two mafia are, "I have yet to see conclusive evidence on RoL besides "well, he's inactive, so..." This is meaningless, you need no evidence you KNOW they are mafia.
Unfortunately I have overlooked what I hope would be an unlikely possibility, that you have failed to grasp that me and Hobbes are in fact confirmed, failed to grasp that you KNOW who the two mafia are and as such also failed to grasp that voting for RoL there is obligatory. I hope this is not the case as it really would be an extraordinarily unintelligent position to be in but thankfully it is also very unlikely.
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On May 01 2010 13:27 BrownBear wrote: The way I see it, I am town. This means that out of the 4 of you, 2 are scum, and there are three possible options:
1: (The most likely option IMO) XeliN and Korynne are telling the truth, and d3's rolechecks are legit. If this is the case, then RoL and Korynne are both mafia, in which case, we will win.
Oh, you're so sure we will win? Because you're mafia and no one's pointing fingers at you?
On May 01 2010 13:27 BrownBear wrote: 2: (The least likely option) XeliN is lying, and he and hobbes are in fact the mafia. Korynne jumped on the bandwagon of saying "yeah, those are d3's rolechecks" to appear pro-town, but is inadvertently screwing us over. I don't think Korynne would do that, so I'm going to say this is 99% not true.
Yeah, that would be retarded of me. Next.
On May 01 2010 13:27 BrownBear wrote: 3: (Not as likely as option 1, but something to think about) XeliN and Korynne, the two who came out and said "Hey guys look d3's rolechecks" are actually the mafia. XeliN says that he and hobbes are town, which means hobbes (who is actually town) doesn't suspect him, due to the "evidence". All Korynne has to do is survive one day of suspicion, and the mafia have won.
Uh, d3 told us he checked XeliN night 2 and he turned out innocent. Hello? Were you reading? I'm pretty sure d3 would've informed Hobbes of that (he told me and XeliN at least, no reason he wouldn't have PM'd Hobbes).
On May 01 2010 13:27 BrownBear wrote: This is something some people haven't noticed yet: It's 3 town to 2 mafia. Unless we lynch mafia today, the game is over, because the lynch and nightkill will make it 2 mafia to 1 town. Now, let's look at my 3 possible scenarios. I'm going to discount 2, because that happening would be crazy mad fucked-up, so that leaves 1 and 3. Thus, here are the options:
Uh, yeah, we know that. Thanks for pointing out the obvious and not actually saying anything useful.
On May 01 2010 13:27 BrownBear wrote: 1: Mafia are RoL and Korynne 3: Mafia are XeliN and Korynne
At this point in the game, the mafia can afford to play a little more fast and loose with their teamwork. I think it's entirely possible that one would vote for the other, and if a bandwagon starts and they get lynched, then hey, the other mafia looks extremely pro-town, and he's got a pretty good chance of living.
I'm not saying me voting for RoL is pro-town. Unlike you guys, I don't go by the OMG I'M TOWN IMMA PM YOU or OMG IMMA JUMP ON ROL SO I LOOK INNOCENT. I wouldn't read into my vote for RoL, it basically means nothing. I had to do it nomatter whether I'm mafia or town. Things that don't change when you are mafia or town are stupid are not necessary to analyze. Oh and I'm a she, so clearly I'm not the other mafia. xP
On May 01 2010 13:27 BrownBear wrote: Now, the question is this. Which of the three to lynch?
RoL: Pros: He seems to be the most scummy of the three, hobbes thinks he's scum (and I'm sure at this point hobbes is town), Korynne has a good point page 12 that he's inactive as shit
Cons: He's only mafia in one of these scenarios, if we fuck up we are screwed.
Right, one of these scenerios, as in the one Hobbes and XeliN /know/ is true and you're off the hook. None of these scenerios include you, thanks for doing a full analysis.
On May 01 2010 13:27 BrownBear wrote: Korynne: Pros: She is mafia in both of the situations I think are most likely, she's provided some wonderful, insightful analysis on a bunch of townies that ended up getting them lynched.
Cons: She's active, she's a good player.
Uh, I just said Abenson seems to be distracting town. Do you not read? I've been advocating for XeliN's lynch all game. The only time it stopped is after I talked to d3 and he checked out XeliN to be town. How is that me getting people lynched? My power went out during Abenson's lynch and I would've definitely pulled my vote because we still had plenty of time to talk (even if we didn't switch targets) and gather more information, I've been on XeliN's case all of day 2 about that. Sure I could /fake/ a power outage on night 1 but seriously there are better things to do with my life.
d3 made a townie circle and I trusted him, so when Hobbes PM'd me and said they were switching over to Johnny I agreed, because I thought XeliN, BrownBear and Johnny all looked suspicious and I told them I would be okay with lynching any of the 3. Given that Johnny is one of the three, and they were going to switch over to Johnny, I clearly would prefer a lynch of one of my suspects than for no lynch to happen because of me.
On May 01 2010 13:27 BrownBear wrote: XeliN Pros: He could be a very very very sneaky mafia? If he is, he's honestly played the most undercover mafia I've ever seen in any game, both on and offline. Cons: Probably the least likely to be mafia out of the above 3, we can't afford to fuck this up.
Uh, really? I thought he looked ridiculously scummy. The only reason he is not scummy is because me and Hobbes (presumably) both heard from d3, confirmed detective, that XeliN is not mafia. So I don't know how that would make him a sneaky mafia. If XeliN was mafia then he would be lynched today from d3's information last night... Like, no, XeliN is not mafia. Stop trying to put attention on anyone other than the two of us now.
On May 01 2010 13:27 BrownBear wrote:So from my analysis, as tempting as it might be to just vote RebirthofLegend for being inactive, we don't have the luxury of just voting inactives off the island anymore: we need a mafia. And sadly, if my analysis is correct, in either case Korynne's gonna flip red. Sorry, bro (ladies is bros too )
Well of course in all your analysis I'm red, you never consider the fact that you could be mafia. I could do the same analysis in 2 lines: d3 confirmed Hobbes and XeliN to me, he turned out detective. There's 5 of us left, so BrownBear and RoL are mafia. Done. See, wasn't that simple?
On May 01 2010 13:27 BrownBear wrote:Also, it was cute how you went from, in page 12, being like "Oh, BrownBear's active, we shouldn't lynch him first" to, on this page, being "HEY GUYS BROWNBEARS INACTIVE AS SHIT WHAT THE HELL MAN" the instant the FoS got pointed on you. VOTE: KORYNNE
Did you not understand what I said? BrownBear is active, as in BrownBear is active compared to RoL.
BrownBear is inactive, as in if you were town you would vote for me immediately. Rather than waiting for RoL to hammer me because Hobbes hasn't voted yet.
Let's see... you're all inactive and then suddenly you magically appear to PM XeliN and Hobbes. Then you're all inactive again... and then magically appear after we're done lynching RoL to accuse me, the only other person that could be mafia. Yeah, I'd say that has signs of lurking and inactivity compared to me.
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Well, if you read my post, you'd understand. I mean, I feel that we have the confirmed RoL mafia, thus we should lynch the active, persuasive one, rather than the one who's just chillin' mostly inactive.
I'm sticking to my guns, for what it's worth. Swapping my vote now to try and convince you of my innocence would be pointless, and it's better to go down swinging for the fences. If RoL flips mafia, i'll vote Korynne tomorrow again. It'll basically be down to me and her trying to convince either you or Hobbes that the other is mafia, as I'm obviously not going to die tonight unless someone pulls a really really bonehead move. If RoL flips town, then we lose.
I'll be awaiting the results.
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Brownbear if you are town please reread my posts as many times as it takes in order to sink in.
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d3 all is not in vain. I bet I would've gotten XeliN lynched tomorrow if you rolechecked BrownBear or RoL. xD
So at least now I know who is town/scum. Rather than me and XeliN having to fight each other all tomorrow. xD
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On May 01 2010 13:36 XeliN wrote: The game is now essentially over, voting majority for RoL has been reached, either mafia have just won or we have a guaranteed win so mafia just come out with it I really want to know ^^
Sorry, am I missing something here XeliN?
We all know RoL is mafia, so we have another day. Either you or Hobbes is going to die tonight (unless BrownBear is going to be retardedx100 and kill me because he's still into his strange theories that you two are not confirmed xD) so tomorrow we are still at 50/50.
So how is that a sure win for us... Not to mention you still seem suspicious of me? I can say we'll have a sure win tomorrow if you lynch BrownBear, but I don't see how you or Hobbes can say you've won if RoL (and he will obviously) turn up to be mafia. xD
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On May 01 2010 13:57 BrownBear wrote: Well, if you read my post, you'd understand. I mean, I feel that we have the confirmed RoL mafia, thus we should lynch the active, persuasive one, rather than the one who's just chillin' mostly inactive.
I'm sticking to my guns, for what it's worth. Swapping my vote now to try and convince you of my innocence would be pointless, and it's better to go down swinging for the fences. If RoL flips mafia, i'll vote Korynne tomorrow again. It'll basically be down to me and her trying to convince either you or Hobbes that the other is mafia, as I'm obviously not going to die tonight unless someone pulls a really really bonehead move. If RoL flips town, then we lose.
I'll be awaiting the results.
Uh, I proposed we lynch RoL because he is less active than you. So what, I get them to lynch you today and then what do I do tomorrow? Uh well... RoL...right... well he hasn't been around all game... uh... yeah. RoL: Oh look look, I am now magically active and here are 50 reasons why Korynne is mafia! Oh right, and I can't be mafia, I mean what kind of mafia is almost replaced out of a game for being inactive? We all know only vanilla townies do that!
I'd rather take my chances with someone I can analyse and prove to Hobbes and XeliN is mafia than someone who makes no posts and leaves me with nothing to reason with.
If I was mafia, leaving me would be BENEFICIAL to town. I talk a lot, you can analyze me and if you say anything I will respond. As town or mafia I see no reason for you not to leave me instead of RoL. Oh wait, but you're mafia, so you're scared I can prove to XeliN and Hobbes that you are mafia. You'd rather take your chances with someone that doesn't talk.
Uh, if RoL flips mafia? I'm pretty sure that's a given. Right, I'll vote BrownBear tomorrow and you'll vote Korynne tomorrow. Anything else obvious you would like to point out to make yourself seem like you're contributing?
Oh by the way, if RoL flips town, you win (or rather, we win), because you're mafia. xP But you know he won't flip town, so whatever. =P
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If I could 100% assume that brown could not possibily misinterpret the situation and yet be a town player at the same time, then my post of "this game is essentially over" would be correct
Unfortunately it seems like something that has to be considered as a possibility.
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God Xelin whichever one of us is alive tomorrow is gonna feel so unbelievably stupid if we guess wrong
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Oh damn I forgot one of us is going to die, Hobbes if you are the one left alive my choice would be Korynne, brownbear being capable of completely misunderstanding the situation seems logical, he also did something rlly idiotic in the other game but I can't remember what, and also it makes no sense that he would argue in that was as mafia (as it is just so plain far fetched in many ways).
So yeah my choice would be Korynne and I would say that is by a large majority in my mind, but if you are left alive come to your own conclusion.
For you now who is most likely?
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On May 01 2010 14:21 XeliN wrote: Oh damn I forgot one of us is going to die, Hobbes if you are the one left alive my choice would be Korynne, brownbear being capable of completely misunderstanding the situation seems logical, he also did something rlly idiotic in the other game but I can't remember what, and also it makes no sense that he would argue in that was as mafia (as it is just so plain far fetched in many ways).
So yeah my choice would be Korynne and I would say that is by a large majority in my mind, but if you are left alive come to your own conclusion.
For you now who is most likely?
Psst, check your PM, brah
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Hey, I was 100% sure you were scum XeliN until d3 confirmed you, so what do you know. xD (I still blame that on you and not me. =P)
I mean, if I was mafia, and of course RoL would be my mafia buddy, then from his PM with you + whatever information I have it is clear that we should nightkill BrownBear, and then with you we can get d3 lynched ezpz.
So given that I'm not retarded, I can't see how BrownBear can talk himself out of this situation. He seems to be the only one who believes he could've tried to convince people that XeliN and Hobbes were not 100% confirmed town after d3 flipped.
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Also, the idiotic thing I did in the other game was not read the rules, then proceed to break them, flagrantly, leading to me getting modkilled + the town being so disorganized that no lynch happened.
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Ignore my post above plz, not entirely but take it with a huge grain of salt (talking to hobbes), ill post again in a bit.
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+ Show Spoiler + From: BrownBear [ 176 posts | Profile | Buddy ] Subject: Re: The Obvious Date: 5/1/10 14:19 I guess it comes down to the fact that, even if I know I am 100% correct, the fact remains that I still have to convince people that I am correct. That's what my analysis tried to do. I started writing it before the voting all happened and my logic was thus:
I know Korynne and RoL are both mafia RoL is pretty much confirmed mafia Korynne is going to be far more difficult to convince people about
That's what my analysis tried to do: point out that Korynne was the most obvious choice to lynch today, as that represented the most likely path to victory and me survivng: If I can get the difficult lynch out of the way today, RoL will die easily tomorrow, and we will win. Unfortunately, while I was writing all the analysis, all the voting happened, so my plan went to shit, and at that point, I was implicated in everyone's minds as the second mafia.
I still maintain I am not, but so it goes. I hope this all makes sense to you.
-BB
----------------------------------------- Original Message: Brown that is something that should have been just as obvious during the voting, I'm asking you to explain why it was not as the only possibility of you not being mafia rests on you not understanding those obvious things at the voting stage.
----------------------------------------- Original Message: It is very plainly obvious. I'm sure you'd read my analysis, but that was written during the time when all the voting happened. At this point, who I vote for is more or less irrelevant.
I mean, I could change my vote to RoL, but at this point, would it do anything? Here's what could happen:
I change my vote, RoL flips red, everyone still cries "SCUM" on me and lynches me.
I don't change my vote, RoL flips red, everyone cries "SCUM" and lynches me.
So, unless you think Korynne is mafia and are willing to vote for her tomorrow, what does it matter what I do? I'm not meaning to attack you, I'm just curious.
-BB
----------------------------------------- Original Message: Why is it not plainly obvious to you that the two mafia, in the event of you being town, are RoL and Korynne. Reply
After recieving this my hypothesis of Brown being able to completely misinterpret the entire situation is less likely. He has left us with literally no choice on the matter, whether I die or you die we have to vote for him.
He claims he knew 100% at the time of voting that RoL was mafia, and yet at the time of voting he voted for Korynne under the basis that he has not heard enough reasons//arguments for why RoL is mafia.
Vote for brown, If I am alive tomorrow I will be, if he has town he has left us with literally no choice.
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Well. In that case, my entirely symbolic vote on Korynne is standing. Let it be known, once the dust settles and everyone except for her lies dead, that I was right.
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I will be out, as sleepy time must be mind, and there doesn't really seem to be anything else that I can do to save myself at this point. Peace, y'all, see you on the flipside
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btw would have just PM'd you that Hobbes but on the offchance anyone is watching this for the lulz thought i'd put it in public.
I'm going to flutter away now, fingers crossed we got it right. (although thankfully we know RoL is red
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On May 01 2010 14:21 XeliN wrote: Oh damn I forgot one of us is going to die, Hobbes if you are the one left alive my choice would be Korynne, brownbear being capable of completely misunderstanding the situation seems logical, he also did something rlly idiotic in the other game but I can't remember what, and also it makes no sense that he would argue in that was as mafia (as it is just so plain far fetched in many ways).
So yeah my choice would be Korynne and I would say that is by a large majority in my mind, but if you are left alive come to your own conclusion.
For you now who is most likely?
Oh great, being an idiot is apparently good now (even though we're lynching two idiots in the other gave and hoping they turn out mafia). This is my second mafia game people, same as BrownBear. I just refuse to play the idiot card to get by (even if it means I risk getting myself killed because I can make wrong analysis, this mostly applies to the other game since it's so big, here I feel like we can actually win and then you're flipping on me again XeliN).
So he's idiotic enough to do something really retarded, but even if he was completely retarded he would not do that as a mafia? That makes a whole lot of sense. If he doesn't know how to play then he'd probably do something completely far-fetched and idiotic as mafia to try and get back in your favour.
XeliN you might as well take back your 100% winning while you're at it.
You still haven't presented any proof other than BrownBear going OMG I AM INNOCENT. I've presented plenty of proof why BrownBear is scum. You're making this way too easy to win for him.
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Popping back in, to say I resent the personal attacks, Korynne. I may be many things, but I am not retarded/an idiot. That actually kind of hurts.
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On May 01 2010 14:30 Korynne wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2010 14:21 XeliN wrote: Oh damn I forgot one of us is going to die, Hobbes if you are the one left alive my choice would be Korynne, brownbear being capable of completely misunderstanding the situation seems logical, he also did something rlly idiotic in the other game but I can't remember what, and also it makes no sense that he would argue in that was as mafia (as it is just so plain far fetched in many ways).
So yeah my choice would be Korynne and I would say that is by a large majority in my mind, but if you are left alive come to your own conclusion.
For you now who is most likely? Oh great, being an idiot is apparently good now (even though we're lynching two idiots in the other gave and hoping they turn out mafia). This is my second mafia game people, same as BrownBear. I just refuse to play the idiot card to get by (even if it means I risk getting myself killed because I can make wrong analysis, this mostly applies to the other game since it's so big, here I feel like we can actually win and then you're flipping on me again XeliN). So he's idiotic enough to do something really retarded, but even if he was completely retarded he would not do that as a mafia? That makes a whole lot of sense. If he doesn't know how to play then he'd probably do something completely far-fetched and idiotic as mafia to try and get back in your favour. XeliN you might as well take back your 100% winning while you're at it. You still haven't presented any proof other than BrownBear going OMG I AM INNOCENT. I've presented plenty of proof why BrownBear is scum. You're making this way too easy to win for him.
He just flipped his view based on something BrownBear said. If you're mafia, good job, we're not voting for you, regardless of which one of us gets killed tonight. Like Xelin said, nothing we can do now but sit back and hope we got it right.
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Brown try not to take anything in mafia games personally, in some I've let comments or actions anger, annoy, frustrate and upset me, but thats because it is hard to completely dissasociate such feelings from this game, and they are things which happen alot.
Although if your town you know she is mafia and so would never take it personally as you know the reasoning behind it would be strategical and yet if your mafia you may pretend to in order to come across innocent.
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And brown if you end up being town I am going to spend an entire day in silence slowly hitting my head against a wall intersperced with staring out blankly rocking in a rocking chair and lying in the foetal position sucking my thumb...
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I was going to flutter away but I can't detach myself enough to stop f5ing this thread... I have this irksome feeling at the back of my mind that brown really is town but has left us with literally no other possibility but to lynch him.
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On May 01 2010 14:31 BrownBear wrote: Popping back in, to say I resent the personal attacks, Korynne. I may be many things, but I am not retarded/an idiot. That actually kind of hurts.
I don't mean to call you a retard. I am sorry if I offended you. What I mean is that XeliN's logic is flawed in that he thinks you might have just been idiotic and misunderstood something, but then says, oh wait, you can't be mafia because mafia would never do something stupid like that.
So yeah, again, I'm sorry if you were hurt. =( That wasn't the intent or meaning behind my post. D=
I just got carried away because we're so close and XeliN is still being silly and illogical in my mind. (I think XeliN should be the one bitching at me about being mean and calling him idiotic and illogical xD)
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On May 01 2010 14:38 XeliN wrote: And brown if you end up being town I am going to spend an entire day in silence slowly hitting my head against a wall intersperced with staring out blankly rocking in a rocking chair and lying in the foetal position sucking my thumb...
I'll probably end up playing incredibly depressing organ music on my keyboard inbetween fits of hysterical sobs
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wow you guys literally double the number of pages of activity once i died, thanks i hate you all
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Uh what?
It was the first two days, and we didn't have much information... Please don't be hatin'. =[
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On May 01 2010 14:43 Korynne wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2010 14:31 BrownBear wrote: Popping back in, to say I resent the personal attacks, Korynne. I may be many things, but I am not retarded/an idiot. That actually kind of hurts. I don't mean to call you a retard. I am sorry if I offended you. What I mean is that XeliN's logic is flawed in that he thinks you might have just been idiotic and misunderstood something, but then says, oh wait, you can't be mafia because mafia would never do something stupid like that. So yeah, again, I'm sorry if you were hurt. =( That wasn't the intent or meaning behind my post. D= I just got carried away because we're so close and XeliN is still being silly and illogical in my mind. (I think XeliN should be the one bitching at me about being mean and calling him idiotic and illogical xD)
Lol, don't worry, I figured it was something like that. No harm done ^_^
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+ Show Spoiler + Few fun video's for while we twiddle our thumbs ^^ Performed in scotland, Deny anyone to claim it's not good!
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Hahaha, those are excellent.
Wheeere is BM I wanna get the rest of this ooon.
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Meh, screw it, I'ma go actually get some sleep for realsies this time. See you guys in 8 hours!
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FREEAGLELAND26780 Posts
LOL I love those videos. Waffle fries fo' free! ...Or is it fo' free?
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RoL is to be killed RebirthOfLegend has been caught by the town RoL: 3(XeliN, [NyC]Hobbes, Korynne) Korynne: 2(RebirthofLegend, BrownBear)
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I really don't have time the time to make a big flavorful post, and I'm feeling kind of sick. I'm gonna make some soup. ill make a day post sometime mid-day tomorrow
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Bill I can help you co-host for the rest of this if you want???
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ill be ok, thank you though
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night will end in 12 hours at 19:30 KST
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I will go ahead and post this early, as I might be passed out or incapacitated in general (possibly with a girl) before this deadline is up. [NyC]Hobbes is to be killed tonight, and he didn't even fuss about it as he's a cool dude.
You all may talk, as I'm feeling frisky tonight. With the lacking numbers I don't really mind town-chatter during the night so much. Talk away.
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OMG, one of Xelin or I died! Who could have guessed?!!!
gl Xelin, hope we guessed right
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FUUUUUUUU now I have to deal with XeliN again???
When/if everyone is around (me BrownBear and XeliN) can we vote (unanimously that is) to move day up? I'm saying that because I really don't want to be awake at 7am and all our posting time seems to be around ~13/14 KST anyway (since we were all up around that time last night and posted like 3 pages of stuff).
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Vote Brownbear you needn't be worried Kor, as I explained he has literally left us no choice in the matter and tbh I was going exceedingly far in pondering him not being mafia when all actions show that he is.
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Oh wait, is it still officially nighttime?
Either way the above is going to be my vote but meh...
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And it was so. Not like there's much convincing that I can do at this point. Purely symbolic, but Vote: Korynne.
And yeah, I'll vote to move up day to now, if we want.
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Finally up since I went to bed at 5am because nobody was around. xD
Vote: BrownBear
Yeah BrownBear, we're both pretty much symbolically voting. xD
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Ok now we have reached a majority can the mafia just say if they have won or lost xD, no sense in waiting!
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My guess is town have lost, but im superstitious ^^
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Poor guy, someone put him out of his misery.
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I was afraid of this, Brown why oh why...
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Radfield
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wow, I thought it was brownbear for sure. Nice work Korynne.
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Btw I can't believe you didn't kill me instead of hobbes I can see the double bluff logic behind it but honestly I was tempted before posting to vote for you on instinct, but if I got it wrong didn't want the repercussions
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On May 03 2010 04:52 XeliN wrote: My guess is town have lost, but im superstitious ^^ if you had a gut feeling that bb was town, why did you vote for him lol
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In what he said he literally gave me no choice in my mind, I instinctually felt it but everything was pointing to him, he claimed to know 100% that RoL and Korynne were mafia yet did not vote for RoL because he had "not heard enough arguments against them". This was completely inconsistent and at the time made me feel like I couldn't possibly not vote for him and let him get away with the completely illogical. I say I felt Kor was more mafia, but evidence wise It didn't seem plasible that Brown could say those things among others, and still be town.
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Yeah but I didn't want hobbes to get all hmmm, surely if it was Korynne she'd want to get XeliN out of the way or whatever. Also I don't like dealing with you so I figured why not, no reason not to make my life more difficult. xD
The main problem I had with this game was that I did not realize d3 would get his roleclaim before he died and was able to PM us. xD That screwed my gameplan over. >_> So I figured I would play the well look if I was mafia that'd be pretty retarded for me to ask d3 to check XeliN and then kill him. xD
*sigh* Except XeliN refused to listen to my logic, silly him. xP
I would've been /sooooo/ pissed if XeliN voted for me based on "instincts" though, because he would've just been "lucky" rather than deduced from something that I was mafia. =(
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For the record, if RoL and BB were mafia, I still wouldn't have PM'd you to claim townie. xD
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Well, I clowned this game up. I thought that I should act as scummy as possible without getting myself lynched so that the mafia would keep me alive and try to get me lynched Day 3... but it'd require 3 townies even if I died, so I PM'd Korynne. That turned out well. I don't think I can play in any more PM games, because of the sheer amount of deception and overthinking I try to do when that's available.
Xelin, did you ever check BrownBear's posts in the other thread? Same kind of posting/misreading going on in there. That's when I started to have my doubts about him being mafia, but it wasn't enough to quite shake my read of Korynne being town.
Korynne - gold star to her for this game. Definitely Mafia MVP.
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No cresentia thats why I initially was voting for Korynne, I saw how brown was in the other thread and thought that it was quite plausible that he misread the situation that strongly, but then when he PM'd me about the RoL vote I thought it no longer seemed plausible to be genuine misconception as it seemed so illogical...
This game is a testament to the fact you cannot let people get away with inactivity.
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I should be the one complaining about inactivity RoL like totally ditched me! xD
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I'm not exactly playing differently than the other game either though (where I am town). Or at least that was the intention.
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On May 03 2010 05:43 XeliN wrote:I was afraid of this, Brown why oh why...
Wasn't me, bro, you didn't analyze enough ><
Combination of my thinking more for myself and poor timing on yesterday's vote. When I logged on and saw all the stuff going "hey, xelin and hobbes are town", I realized "wait, I'm town... SHIT, Korynne and RoL." I then thought "hmm. So RoL is definitely mafia, which means all I have to do is convince XeliN and Hobbes that Korynne is, and I've won this. I should probably do that today, as she's been really really active, and it's going to be a lot harder to convince them tomorrow when it's pretty much her word against mine."
So I wrote up that long post where I analyzed every possible angle of what was happening (even bringing in some impossible ones), and came to the conclusion that Korynne was 100% mafia. The hope was, you both would see it, realize that we had RoL covered anyway, and vote for her, thus ensuring us a win... unfortunately in the time it took me to write it, everyone decided "hey guys lets vote RoL today, we know he's Mafia." Thus, when my post finally went up, everyone looked at it and immediately thought "OMG scum."
At least for me, it would have been pretty obvious that if I were mafia, there would be no way I would stick my neck out for RoL when he was going to get lynched for sure. I mean, Korynne sure as hell didnt . Sadly, by the time I tried to defend myself and my actions, it was already too late
GG all.
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On May 03 2010 06:33 XeliN wrote: No cresentia thats why I initially was voting for Korynne, I saw how brown was in the other thread and thought that it was quite plausible that he misread the situation that strongly, but then when he PM'd me about the RoL vote I thought it no longer seemed plausible to be genuine misconception as it seemed so illogical...
This game is a testament to the fact you cannot let people get away with inactivity. In hindsight lynching RoL on Day 2 actually seems to be the best move.
Considering how much backtracking BrownBear was doing in the other thread it really made me wonder. But then again, it wouldn't have really been distinguishable from being a bad mafia-aligned liar anyway. =/
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Plus, Korynne was a master of gently encouraging the suspicion against me without actually making herself look suspicious in turn.
I definitely got outplayed there ><
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All in all this game was rlly fun, smaller ones can be better I think as it's quicker and more contained but the weird tense dynamic at the end, where one person knows exactly who the two mafia are (or ought to) and it's a tense struggle to lynch right//notget lynched.Was pretty enjoyable and unexpected. Thanks Bill for hosting ^^
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My reasoning is always pro-town. Like, if BB and RoL were mafia, I would say, lynch RoL, because he is less active. If RoL wasn't ridiculously inactive, then I would say lynch BrownBear.
I mean, if I play pro-town and don't get checked by d3, there's no reason to kill me until you find the other mafia because I am actually trying to help (from my PoV, I am town, I am active, and I want to find the other mafia xP).
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On May 03 2010 06:49 XeliN wrote: All in all this game was rlly fun, smaller ones can be better I think as it's quicker and more contained but the weird tense dynamic at the end, where one person knows exactly who the two mafia are (or ought to) and it's a tense struggle to lynch right//notget lynched.Was pretty enjoyable and unexpected. Thanks Bill for hosting ^^
Yeah I agree, this game felt a lot more manageable than the other one. Like I could actually write up an analysis on everyone whereas in the other game I just kinda went...awww fuck too many people/pages. @_@
Yeah thanks for hosting it Bill, even though I got really mad that d3 got his rolecheck back before I killed him. xP I guess it made the ending more dramatic and fun. =D
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To get cresentia to trust you implicitly shows some very nice play, lynching him turned out to be a large mistake imo although as you said you couldn't have anticipated that.
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Also BrownBear, it's good to open a new window and f5 the thread before posting. I mostly do that especially if I'm writing a longer post and sometimes you just gotta ditch it and write something else. xP
Also the fact that you were like gone for a long time after XeliN voted for me definitely helped hammer in the "see, he's just waiting for RoL so that they can both hammer me since Hobbes hasn't voted yet"
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Yeah I don't know why d3 trusted me that's his problem. xD
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On May 03 2010 06:58 Korynne wrote: Also BrownBear, it's good to open a new window and f5 the thread before posting. I mostly do that especially if I'm writing a longer post and sometimes you just gotta ditch it and write something else. xP
Also the fact that you were like gone for a long time after XeliN voted for me definitely helped hammer in the "see, he's just waiting for RoL so that they can both hammer me since Hobbes hasn't voted yet"
Haha, yeah, that's definitely the lesson to take away from this game - just as the lesson to take away from last game was "read the gorram rules" :D
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On May 03 2010 06:56 XeliN wrote: To get cresentia to trust you implicitly shows some very nice play, lynching him turned out to be a large mistake imo although as you said you couldn't have anticipated that. Likely in part because she was so very town in the other game and I got mixed signals >_>
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Aww man, I should've known you were mafia in the other game given that you trusted me in this one so easily. xP
Oh well, that was definitely a mistake on my part, and that game was going pretty shitty anyway. xD
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lolol I was actually worried they would kill you Korynne until I saw this post by BB.
On May 01 2010 13:32 BrownBear wrote: There's still time for someone to change their post (admittedly, time = time until Bill Murray logs on, but still.
I really think voting RoL (yet) is a bad idea. We can discuss who to lynch tomorrow, but Korynne must die tonight for us to continue.
Not to be a dick man, but honestly that was the WORST thing you could have said at that moment. If they really have it narrowed down to the three of us and you KNOW your not mafia, then we MUST be mafia. You should do what you can to prove us both wrong. I think me voting Korynne and you doing so much retarded stuff just left them with no other choice, even if Korynne was acting a bit suspicious and their gut told them that they simply couldn't ignore such bad play.
Keep playing, and keep learning <3
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FREEAGLELAND26780 Posts
RoL you should be more active Lol Korynne, nice job.
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nigga chill, I am going through finals and a lot of work. I am trying to get my shit together fro the last 2 weeks of this semester. I have minimal work to do and I am just procrastinating it.
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On May 03 2010 06:49 XeliN wrote: All in all this game was rlly fun, smaller ones can be better I think as it's quicker and more contained but the weird tense dynamic at the end, where one person knows exactly who the two mafia are (or ought to) and it's a tense struggle to lynch right//notget lynched.Was pretty enjoyable and unexpected. Thanks Bill for hosting ^^
you're welcome my man
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Yeah Bill, thanks for hosting. Sorry I wasn't more active >.<
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Ace's rule #622: If it is Day 2 and RoL is still alive he is scum. Kill him.
^_^
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well, your faction won, so your inactivity wasn't an issue
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