EPTThat is correct, although a decent amount do.
Also Idra is cool and I support him 100% cuz hes from the USA but Grrr.... was the best for winning OSL and being protoss ;D
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Whiplash
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That is correct, although a decent amount do. Also Idra is cool and I support him 100% cuz hes from the USA but Grrr.... was the best for winning OSL and being protoss ;D | ||
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Chef
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On December 09 2009 16:10 Slaughter wrote: You also can't for sure say Grr/elky Wouldn't own up in 09. Place them in their prime in todays game with the benefit of reps and the advanced strats and builds? Who knows. Its like Mani said it has to do with how you did in your Era, and Grr was top of the world not just foreigners. Also Slayer/NTT/Smuft/Asmody/Leg All very good players. Grrr.. and Elky didn't keep playing because they knew poker was easier money. When they did play they practiced about 4 hours a day iirc (been awhile since I read his interview). I don't know about you, but I think that means they wouldn't have the work ethic it takes to succeed in the scene today. That said, yeah, they were definitely kings of their time, Korean or not. | ||
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druj
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Vasoline73
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bEsT[Alive]
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On December 09 2009 08:07 Manifesto7 wrote: Great players dominate in their respective eras. Greatness is not contingent on the ability to dominate in all eras. Giyom dominated his era, and therefore is an all time great. The level of play now has nothing to do with it. IdrA is not great now because he cannot dominate his era. All sports work this way. Mani and Daaman put it best. Exactly what were you trying to achieve with this thread? An all out flame war? In case you forgot, Greg got knocked out of every single tournament he entered. It didn't matter who he played. You could argue, well the eSTRO/CJ coaches broke down his gameplay and made him start from scratch. It's taken well over 10 months to see the results many had anticipated from IdrA. Draco and NonY still pose a big threat. Don't forget, they were there too and they know what it takes. Not to mention, "Congrats for lpaying protoss." | ||
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citi.zen
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On December 07 2009 08:48 F91 wrote: I never thought I would see a pro win this tournament, so if Idra does it, he may be the best player of all time. A dig at having a pro participate in an otherwise amateur competition? | ||
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CharlieMurphy
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TDK
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Doriath
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sS.NuB
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On December 10 2009 06:13 Doriath wrote: I'm baffled by the amount of people who are taking this seriously. Funny post though. Why? It's a legit thread,bitch. Probably since you're a newb with 16 posts haha | ||
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Chef
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On December 10 2009 06:01 CharlieMurphy wrote: Idra's weakness is early game skirmish and cheese. I think it's more broad than that. He has difficulty innovating, which affects all stages of his game. | ||
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Skyze
Canada2324 Posts
Not to mention, Canada >>> All. | ||
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Mortality
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koreasilver
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On December 10 2009 07:29 sS.NuB wrote: Why? It's a legit thread,bitch. Probably since you're a newb with 16 posts haha Can I kill you. | ||
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SkylineSC
United States564 Posts
On December 10 2009 07:35 Chef wrote: I think it's more broad than that. He has difficulty innovating, which affects all stages of his game. i don't think lack of innovation will necessarily hurt him. you'd have to define "innovative". because idra play the most tested style, most economical style, the "best" style. so in that sense, "innovative" is anything that deviates from that, a slight less efficient strategy/tactic that will result in more swing in risk/reward. so in that sense, why be innovative and take the risk when the most scientific method has been provided? basically, playing like a robot is the most efficient, least risky and most rewarding. just think of 2 axis, where X = risk, Y=reward the best strategy, aka the most efficient, is one that maximize Y and minimizes X. I mean he might lose to a strategy that risk more than it could gain every once in a while, but in a long run, the most efficient style wins. | ||
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SkylineSC
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rushz0rz
Canada5300 Posts
On December 09 2009 08:11 DreaM)XeRO wrote: but still the handicap that idra has to overcome is much different than the one Giyom had to overcome. Back in his era starcraft was still budding. The talent pool was growing but still somewhat small. Now take all of the programmers or aspiring programmers. It's ridiculously huge. An average korean amateur could give Idra a run for his money. Star has evolved so much that it is almost an entirely different game from the one that Giyom played. GiYoM had to do a lot more than just play StarCraft. He was one of the first to go to Korea to be a pro gamer, he had nothing and knew nothing. IdrA has been guided and given really good practice partners. GiYoM had to go over there with no guidance and start his own sponsorships and teams. He also helped Boxer jump start the scene, although Boxer did a lot more in those regards. Not to mention he won a Korean starleague and was the best player on earth for 2 years. I'd still call that a greater accomplishment. You just cant compare one era to another saying that a player just wasn't as good because he happened to win at that time when the skill level wasn't as high as today. | ||
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