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There can be only ONE.
One person who is better at what they do than anyone who has ever walked the earth. One legend. One icon. One, who is the greatest of all time.
GiYom
ElkY
![[image loading]](http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Flag_of_Germany.svg/22px-Flag_of_Germany.svg.png) Mondragon
![[image loading]](http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fa/Flag_of_the_People%27s_Republic_of_China.svg/22px-Flag_of_the_People%27s_Republic_of_China.svg.png) PJ
This is the Starcraft's pantheon. This month, the debate begins, is HE the one?
On December 07 2009 08:48 Jaedong wrote:
Idra, he’s great at LANs, online, and tournaments. No one else can say that. No one.
On December 07 2009 08:48 Klazart wrote:
Imagine the world’s best Starcraft player, winning the world’s biggest tournament. That’s just awesome.
On December 07 2009 08:48 F91 wrote:
I never thought I would see a pro win this tournament, so if Idra does it, he may be the best player of all time.
At age 19, Greg Fields has already achieved A+ rank on ICCup. Now, he has the chance to take down the big one, to capture $10000, and to stake his claim that he is the best foreigner who ever lived.
"This is the biggest moment of my career. You don’t get too many opportunities like this, and if I play my game, I like my chances." - Idra
Between Idra and immortality, stand 47 men, each hoping etch his name into Starcraft history, including a Starcraft veteran making his return trip to the big league.
"I’ve been here before, now I want to win it all." - Draco
A British ICCup regular looking for an unlikely payday.
"There’s a reason I made it this far, and there’s no reason I can’t make it all the way." - Kwark
A young gun who can rewrite the record books.
"I’m just a kid with a dream, and it may actually come true." - Kolll
And a mild-mannered Zerg who just happens to be the overwhelming fan favourite.
"Idra is incredible. Heck, all these guys can play, but I didn’t come here to lose." - ret
The Teamliquid Starleague Round of 48. 48 men. The Final 48. And if Idra can beat them all, he may become, the ONE.
 IdrA
GiYom
ElkY
Mondragon
PJ
  
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dont forget about fisheye and nazgul ;p
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Bearded Elder29905 Posts
Fanboy detected.
Personally I'm all against IdrA but only because of the fact he acts like a fcking douche all the time. I'd be his #1 fanboy if he acted like a manner guy (ret for example) but he does not and that's why I hate him :< and I'm pretty sure he will not win this as he will get cheesed to death after ladder stage :>
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Fisheye ownz you with 100 apm spamming noob!!1
I think Idra will be the greatest if he takes down TSL2.
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I'm all for ret 
Although Idra is a great player too I just have to root for my dutch neighbour ^^
And I must say, very nice reward
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United States20667 Posts
Remember that Elky and Giyom actually performed well in Korean StarLeagues, which is an entirely different ballgame.
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building carriers is a good talent toi have
xD on a lighter not, while idra DID reach A+, the number of players RIGHT under him is huge
White Ra sits right under him at A
and with the best foreigners clawing to get to the top it'll be hard for the man
Kolll is there, Drieven is there, as is sen, F91 and many others
it'll be a rough road
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On December 09 2009 07:58 Last Romantic wrote:
Remember that Elky and Giyom actually performed well in Korean StarLeagues, which is an entirely different ballgame.
comparing Elky and Giyom's starleague runs vs the modern starcraft scene is a little foolish
Jaedong, Flash, Bisu, Stork, Fantasy
vs...
Autum? H.O.T-Forever? Intotherain?
I know they were "good" at the time but with the current pool of programmers Idra is going to have a much much MUCH harder time cracking the SL's
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idra is a skillness noobie
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Idra is gonna get owned by nony now
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On December 09 2009 07:58 Last Romantic wrote:
Remember that Elky and Giyom actually performed well in Korean StarLeagues, which is an entirely different ballgame.
And the Korean Starleagues back then were also an entirely different ballgame compared to today
I have a hard time seeing Giyom or Elky own up Starleagues in 2009. It's all contextual
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Imo Giyom back then > Idra right now
+ Show Spoiler +and yea, Giyom won Starleague, you can argue that he've been alcoholic that got lucky but I'd just wish to see Idra pull something like that, win Korean Starleague on Korean TV....
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Osaka27179 Posts
Great players dominate in their respective eras. Greatness is not contingent on the ability to dominate in all eras. Giyom dominated his era, and therefore is an all time great. The level of play now has nothing to do with it. IdrA is not great now because he cannot dominate his era. All sports work this way.
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We'll see. This tourney should be the biggest test of his skill so far
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Sweden1225 Posts
kinda feels wrong to name anyone these days best foreigner ever i'm old and biased of course but it feels more right to say someone from the era when foreiners were on the same level as koreans, in other words, loooong ago =P
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Hungary11305 Posts
Winning an OSL tops about everything. Giyom couldn't do it again nowadays, sure, but back then he was at the peak of Progaming, not just of the foreign scene. Not even close.
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On December 09 2009 08:07 Manifesto7 wrote:
Great players dominate in their respective eras. Greatness is not contingent on the ability to dominate in all eras. Giyom dominated his era, and therefore is an all time great. The level of play now has nothing to do with it. IdrA is not great now because he cannot dominate his era. All sports work this way.
but still the handicap that idra has to overcome is much different than the one Giyom had to overcome.
Back in his era starcraft was still budding. The talent pool was growing but still somewhat small. Now take all of the programmers or aspiring programmers. It's ridiculously huge. An average korean amateur could give Idra a run for his money. Star has evolved so much that it is almost an entirely different game from the one that Giyom played.
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On December 09 2009 08:04 Foucault wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2009 07:58 Last Romantic wrote:
Remember that Elky and Giyom actually performed well in Korean StarLeagues, which is an entirely different ballgame. And the Korean Starleagues back then were also an entirely different ballgame compared to today I have a hard time seeing Giyom or Elky own up Starleagues in 2009. It's all contextual
That's true, but you probably have a similarly hard time seeing Idra own up Starleagues in 2009.
Grrr, Elky, Legionnaire, Nazgul, Assem, all have TV wins as progamers in Korea. This is a huge achievement. Modern players would crush them, I'm sure, if we could have an anachronistic match between players at their peak, but based on what was available to them at the time I don't think their achievements are significantly devalued.
It's also notable that players such as Grrr were at the top before replays were available (or vods of better players). Innovation should not be undervalued.
Nonetheless, I think all of these players (Idra included) are incredibly impressive.
On December 09 2009 08:11 DreaM)XeRO wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2009 08:07 Manifesto7 wrote:
Great players dominate in their respective eras. Greatness is not contingent on the ability to dominate in all eras. Giyom dominated his era, and therefore is an all time great. The level of play now has nothing to do with it. IdrA is not great now because he cannot dominate his era. All sports work this way. but still the handicap that idra has to overcome is much different than the one Giyom had to overcome. Back in his era starcraft was still budding. The talent pool was growing but still somewhat small. Now take all of the programmers or aspiring programmers. It's ridiculously huge. An average korean amateur could give Idra a run for his money. Star has evolved so much that it is almost an entirely different game from the one that Giyom played.
Wasn't Giyom one of the earliest progamers? His handicap was that there was no information he could use to improve. He invented quite a bit for himself. Giyom wasn't just some successful foreigner who went over to Korea to try to make it as a professional (in a modern context), he was there at the beginning!
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PJ achieved A+ and was quite close to olympic a long time ago, ranked 8th overall on iccup.
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