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Idra Greatest Of All Time? - Page 3

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disciple
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
9070 Posts
December 09 2009 00:53 GMT
#41
On December 09 2009 08:22 Pang0lin wrote:
Asi Mani said: Giyom dominated his era, and therefore is an all time great.

Best luck for Idra


I'm sure Idra can win the OSL as well. He must just close his eyes, hold his hands together and wish it really really hard
Administrator"I'm a big deal." - ixmike88
hahaimhenry
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada368 Posts
December 09 2009 00:55 GMT
#42
Wouldn't Grrr be the greatest? The man won a starleague for heaven sakes!
:]
Freyr
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States500 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-09 01:37:27
December 09 2009 01:35 GMT
#43
On December 09 2009 09:42 lone_hydra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2009 08:51 29 fps wrote:
i agree with mani 100%

thus arguments about jaedong > boxer are also invalid because they are of two different eras


Bull. Just because they are in two different eras doesn't make them incomparable, people who say that are afraid of the results of the comparison. Pretty much everything is comparable given the right set of variables and adjustments to account for time differences.


But that's exactly the problem - you don't know the "right" way to account for the differences.

You can talk about it sure. "JD would crush Grrr, but Grrr seems to have come up with all kinds of original play before anyone else without reps etc.." - this can be fun, but I don't see a way to draw any valid conclusions from that type of comparison.
PewptyPewptyPewpty
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States26 Posts
December 09 2009 01:35 GMT
#44
Grrrr... is the best foreigner ever in my old heart. Not really going out on a limb there..

Testie may very well be the most well-rounded foreigner of all time. If you had to pick one foreigner who was great at everything---1v1, 2v2, 3v3, 4v4, ffa, bgh, fastest, ums etc etc I don't see how you could pick anyone else. He hacked against me in cloud ladder though so if you disagree that's fine.
I like things that are good and dislike things that are bad.
ilj.psa
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Peru3081 Posts
December 09 2009 01:54 GMT
#45
no
jalstar
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States8198 Posts
December 09 2009 01:57 GMT
#46
Someone who gets olympic on iccup would be destroyed by most progamers, and Idra's not even olympic on iccup.
Freyr
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States500 Posts
December 09 2009 02:13 GMT
#47
On December 09 2009 10:57 jalstar wrote:
Someone who gets olympic on iccup would be destroyed by most progamers, and Idra's not even olympic on iccup.


How do you figure that? What makes you think a lot of the olympic players aren't progamers?
Jyvblamo
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada13788 Posts
December 09 2009 02:20 GMT
#48
When Idra wins a starleague, he'll be greater than Giyom.
Athos
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States2484 Posts
December 09 2009 02:24 GMT
#49
On December 09 2009 11:13 Freyr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2009 10:57 jalstar wrote:
Someone who gets olympic on iccup would be destroyed by most progamers, and Idra's not even olympic on iccup.


How do you figure that? What makes you think a lot of the olympic players aren't progamers?



Seriously...Sea.Shield is #1 on the ladder right now and we've all seen how hot he's been lately.
p4ge
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada160 Posts
December 09 2009 02:31 GMT
#50
On December 09 2009 08:11 DreaM)XeRO wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2009 08:07 Manifesto7 wrote:
Great players dominate in their respective eras. Greatness is not contingent on the ability to dominate in all eras. Giyom dominated his era, and therefore is an all time great. The level of play now has nothing to do with it. IdrA is not great now because he cannot dominate his era. All sports work this way.

but still the handicap that idra has to overcome is much different than the one Giyom had to overcome.

Back in his era starcraft was still budding. The talent pool was growing but still somewhat small. Now take all of the programmers or aspiring programmers. It's ridiculously huge. An average korean amateur could give Idra a run for his money. Star has evolved so much that it is almost an entirely different game from the one that Giyom played.


uh? i don't understand your argument. what about the handicap that giyom has to idra who has the advantages that the new era in sc has brought with it? each era has its own set of standards, and you're not understanding that. it's like saying a random physics professor today who since understanding the theory of newton and being equipped with the advantages of the time should be judged at a lower standard simply because science has advanced so much, therefore he is greater because he is disadvantaged by the fact that there's so much more to science now then before. that's not how it works
EverydayStruggle
Profile Joined November 2009
United States77 Posts
December 09 2009 03:30 GMT
#51
#1 hype thread evar
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Glaucus
Profile Joined June 2009
479 Posts
December 09 2009 03:38 GMT
#52
There's like 150 progamers. But there are only 4 olympic ranks on iccup. The complete top 50 isn't even A+.
DivinO
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States4796 Posts
December 09 2009 03:50 GMT
#53
Yeah...how about Sea? Sea's good.

Oh, not a foreigner.
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Freyr
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States500 Posts
December 09 2009 04:02 GMT
#54
On December 09 2009 12:50 El.Divino wrote:
Yeah...how about Sea? Sea's good.

Oh, not a foreigner.


If this is a sarcastic reference to Athos' post then maybe you should re-read it and try hard to understand what the exchange was all about.
Tossim111
Profile Joined October 2009
United States246 Posts
December 09 2009 05:28 GMT
#55
On December 09 2009 09:24 igotmyown wrote:
We old old school starcraft fans forever remember him as Guillaume. Nobody ever called him Giyom before he went to korea.



iirc, grrr had his id in WCG as "GiYoM".. chill
triflejack
Profile Joined November 2008
Romania25 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-09 05:47:31
December 09 2009 05:39 GMT
#56
You just replaced Phil Ivey with Idra and poker with Starcraft.
Itachii
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Poland12466 Posts
December 09 2009 06:10 GMT
#57
amount of bullshit in this thread is unbelivable
La parole nous a été donnée pour déguiser notre pensée
BanZu
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States3329 Posts
December 09 2009 06:36 GMT
#58
EPIC OP
Sun Tzu once said, "Defiler becomes useless at the presences of a vessel."
Elwinros
Profile Joined December 2009
United States93 Posts
December 09 2009 06:39 GMT
#59
Idra is greatest of all time, hands down.
Entry level StarCraft players -_-
29 fps
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States5724 Posts
December 09 2009 07:01 GMT
#60
On December 09 2009 12:38 Glaucus wrote:
There's like 150 progamers. But there are only 4 olympic ranks on iccup. The complete top 50 isn't even A+.


not all progamers play iccup, i believe
4v4 is a battle of who has the better computer.
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