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Ace
United States16096 Posts
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Zato-1
Chile4253 Posts
coltrane, a couple of points: Ace uses good spelling and grammar. You have no idea how much that helps your persuasion online. Ace is also a respected member of the community with a long history of being right in these games (according to him at any rate, and I don't see any of the older members contradicting him). Given the above, most people will find what he says compelling, especially when his arguments sound reasonable. You have a legitimate disagreement with him, but you don't sound so humble yourself at times, plus you don't express your ideas as eloquently. I suggest you don't wage a war against his personality, because that's a losing battle for you. Stick to your strengths- analysis and ideas. The Town is always in want for additional help, and everyone here- Ace included- will appreciate any contributions you can make along the way. | ||
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Caller
Poland8075 Posts
On July 31 2009 03:59 Zato-1 wrote: coltrane, a couple of points: Ace uses good spelling and grammar. You have no idea how much that helps your persuasion online. Ace is also a respected member of the community with a long history of being right in these games (according to him at any rate, and I don't see any of the older members contradicting him). Given the above, most people will find what he says compelling, especially when his arguments sound reasonable. You have a legitimate disagreement with him, but you don't sound so humble yourself at times, plus you don't express your ideas as eloquently. I suggest you don't wage a war against his personality, because that's a losing battle for you. Stick to your strengths- analysis and ideas. The Town is always in want for additional help, and everyone here- Ace included- will appreciate any contributions you can make along the way. this | ||
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Fishball
Canada4788 Posts
Feels like 2 days already. Would actually be interesting to see the ratio of Townie/Mafia of those of gets shot. I'm guessing most would be conscripts  | ||
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Falcynn
United States3597 Posts
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
On July 31 2009 04:00 Fishball wrote: When does voting end? Feels like 2 days already. Would actually be interesting to see the ratio of Townie/Mafia of those of gets shot. I'm guessing most would be conscripts o shit you're still alive | ||
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Fishball
Canada4788 Posts
I check the thread about 2-3 times a day, at work and at home. I'm just being my usual self, like in every game. Bets on me dying first? | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
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coltrane
Chile988 Posts
ok, english is not my native lenguage, i have it hard there, because i studied it many years ago. Im not a humble person, I am honest and my words are just what i think. And humbleness... like it is not Ace attitud right now. Whenever he tends to act like he is the only one to be listen i will tell him that he is wrong. | ||
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Zato-1
Chile4253 Posts
On July 31 2009 04:01 Falcynn wrote: for everyone who thinks they should disguise as Russians, do we at least agree that they should disguise as Veterans rather than Conscripts? Yeah. It's the role that makes most sense- a role with weak offense (in terms of what they can do- they have no abilities to help their allies or hurt their foes) and powerful defense (need two hits to kill) should be the least attractive target for the rebels. | ||
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Sinensis
United States2513 Posts
The Vet idea is another good one. I especially like how it didn't cause another 9 pages of bitching. | ||
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L
Canada4732 Posts
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StorrZerg
United States13910 Posts
On July 31 2009 04:07 Fishball wrote: I'm always alive. I check the thread about 2-3 times a day, at work and at home. I'm just being my usual self, like in every game. Bets on me dying first? didn't you die very fast last game? | ||
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L
Canada4732 Posts
If I were Mafia would I repeatedly be making a case to save the NKVD Agents from certain doom No. Wrong. The town does not win by keeping blue roles alive: the town wins by killing mafia.No one gives a shit about how many DTs survive as long as WE KILL MAFIA and keep overall KP down. If their ability to form rings is high, our DTs are going to die faster to co-ordinated hits anyways, AS WILL THE REST OF US. You said it yourself: mafia's main problem is the lack of information. DTs become green with a bonus UPON DEATH on day 4; after that, there is NO reason to keep any of them alive, besides maybe 1 keeping a single RC to check in a must lynch or die scenario, and claims at that point will cause chaos either way. Why bonus day 4? They will have used all 3 RC, and their death confirms their list as accurate. If we switch all DTs from rebel to vet on day 3, we similarly have a night where rebels are confirmed red if they our DTs play right. When we have confirmed townies, we have confirmed targets for medics and confirmed people to claim to, which means town will have MORE information than mafia by day 3 onwards. At that point, we WANT our DTs to die instead of any other role ('sides real ukranians, obv) in the game because it confirms our information, which is a net benefit over a normal green dying. The converse chance that our Agents find rebels requires the exact same kill procedure to determine who's lying, because a ukranian who's under fire can easily claim that XYZ is a rebel and that they're a DT. The only person who KNOWS the Agent is telling the truth is the Agent. The only difference is his personal certainty he found a mafia member. As for certain doom: the chance any particular DT is rolechecked by a mafia is tiny, but the effect upon mafia/mafia ring formation is ASSURED. The Vet idea is better than claiming conscript, but its a terrible play regardless for the above reasons. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
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Elemenope
Burkina Faso1704 Posts
On July 31 2009 04:01 Falcynn wrote: So I'm just making sure, there are still people that think NKVD should disguise as rebels. However for everyone who thinks they should disguise as Russians, do we at least agree that they should disguise as Veterans rather than Conscripts? In my opinion: Veterans over Conscripts. However, a slight problem is that if all NKVD go veteran, it helps rebels get a possible NKVD list. Some rebels may not have a problem "wasting" a hit in an attempt to get an NKVD if he R/Cs one as veteran, but I feel it is probably the top choice for NKVD to disguise as. I do think NKVD as rebels is a terribly stupid idea for various reasons that have been explained, and other reasons I thought of at work, regardless if NKVD stay silent, respond to a PM, or initiate a PM. I can explain later, but hopefully it won't be necessary as NKVD shouldn't be disguising as rebels as it may give rebels a slight advantage through my explaining. Insert obligatory 'lol' at the arrest. As for Field Marshal, I am a bit confused on why people are voting for L at the moment x.x I don't like Coltrane's first lynch idea, or his math (Since most all of it is based on assumptions at the moment since we have absolutely no idea about townie:scum ratio from the quick glance I took at it), and obviously his NKVD->Rebel idea. I don't really understand where he gets his assumptions from at all concerning his death, that all runners will be checked and thus those who live after day 2 are either scum or NKVD, and lowering KP through NKVD->Rebel. As for Lucas, yeah..... As for Ace's campaign, it's pretty solid, but I'm just a bit wary of voting him into office on the offchance he is rebel. But at this rate, I don't think it'll matter. Protip-Ace: Get a mic, I hate having to read vent comments in between dota  | ||
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L
Canada4732 Posts
We aren't pitching them to the mafia. We're preventing mafia from organizing. The main 'issue' is that NKVD checks don't 100% confirm mafia members, and that's solved when all our DTs die and their lists become 100% accurate. Their ability to 'survive' after inspection is minimal; Even upon vet check without the chance for a DT kill, mafia are likely better off just spending 2 nights drilling through him because an additional RC would take the same amount of time for a kill (3 night actions total (RC/RC/Hit) v (RC/Hit/Hit). | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
On July 31 2009 05:44 Elemenope wrote: Protip-Ace: Get a mic, I hate having to read vent comments in between dota I broke the last one :/ too lazy to get a new one since I'm not on it enough. still LOL that foolishness got caught cheating. what a scrub. | ||
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L
Canada4732 Posts
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