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On July 02 2009 22:10 EvoChamber wrote:
Regardless of which Zerg he plays, Leta's best TvZ build (and on Outsider especially) is the 2port wraith into bio. It's not a matter of who he's serving to, it's a matter of what his best serve is.
Leta's 2port wraith build had never failed him before, the only question was whether Jaedong would be able to beat it. To beat it you basically have to never make a mistake (especially early on), or you're fucked; in most games where Leta does the build, there's one moment I can point to and say the zerg player lost right there because he made a mistake.
Jaedong showed that he was capable of not making a mistake, and he made it look easy. Jaedong's micro is also way better than every other zerg. Leta might still be able to use this build effectively against Jaedong but he needs
1) For it to be a bit less obvious that he's going to be doing it ahead of time.
2) To be more aggressive with his wraiths. Jaedong doesn't make mistakes very often, but he definitely is not going to make a mistake unless Leta pressures him.
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Lee Jae Dong! Those were some nice games, seeing someone able to beat Leta's 2port wraith & the game against Movie felt like it was close as hell atleast in the first 2 attacks of Movie... Jaedong gonna go for MSL & OSL & GOM!
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On July 03 2009 00:16 pripple wrote:
Lee Jae Dong! Those were some nice games, seeing someone able to beat Leta's 2port wraith & the game against Movie felt like it was close as hell atleast in the first 2 attacks of Movie... Jaedong gonna go for MSL & OSL & GOM!
for sure
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On July 03 2009 00:29 StorZerg wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2009 00:16 pripple wrote:
Lee Jae Dong! Those were some nice games, seeing someone able to beat Leta's 2port wraith & the game against Movie felt like it was close as hell atleast in the first 2 attacks of Movie... Jaedong gonna go for MSL & OSL & GOM! for sure
That happening nowadays is pretty unlikely.
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On July 02 2009 23:47 Severedevil wrote:
Leta lost an early SCV, lost a second failing a scout, did no damage with his initial vulture (AND failed to force multiple sunkens or earlier hydras), and failed to notice Jaedong's hidden expansion. That's what lost him the game... his wraiths were abusing Jaedong's mutas nearly as hard as any other Zerg's.
Did you see how much effort JD made into taking out those initial scvs? And his initial vultures COULDN'T do any damage as sunken was placed very early in the game
JD did make early hydras, if you watch the game, when Leta's first wraith arrives, the first hydra pops out in time. And he did make multiple sunkens (up to 3) but we all know how greedy JD is with sunks, he rather have units + less sunks than sunks. I'm sure Leta didn't fail to notice JD's hidden expansion, he was scouting with wraiths all the time, he just couldn't do anything about it
You make it sound like Leta's own mistakes cost him the game, which is definately not true. Jaedong took measurements against Leta's actions and Leta was in a position where he couldn't do anything to prevent his loss
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On July 02 2009 23:55 EvoChamber wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2009 23:52 JWD wrote:
Jaedong: what a monster
Any games worth watching here? You pretty much answered your own question there. ^^
haha, also the recommended VOD thread helped me out: a poster in there says both of JD's games were sweet 
Watching now!
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On July 02 2009 23:47 Severedevil wrote:
Leta lost an early SCV, lost a second failing a scout, did no damage with his initial vulture (AND failed to force multiple sunkens or earlier hydras), and failed to notice Jaedong's hidden expansion. That's what lost him the game... his wraiths were abusing Jaedong's mutas nearly as hard as any other Zerg's.
Wraiths have longer range than Mutas. Still JD killed almost as many wraiths as Leta killed mutas.
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On July 03 2009 00:00 Severedevil wrote:
Jaedong vs. Leta, maybe Jaedong vs. Movie.
The pimping Jaedong did against Leta, though, mostly wasn't his mutalisk micro, but rather the ways he arrange his big economic lead. (Worker snipe, minimalist vulture defense, ninja expansion.) It makes me wonder if 2-base Zerg is even a legitimate response to top-notch 2port...
Jaedong's combat of Leta's wraiths was infinitely better than most Zergs Leta faces, because most zergs can't protect their overlords the way Jaedong did, nor can they pick as many wraiths or force Leta to be defensive the same way. There were points where Leta could chase down and hurt the Muta count similarly to how he does in other games, but that's the benefit of wraith range. Jaedong forced Leta to be defensive with his first control group, something every other zerg who faces Leta's two port seems to never come close to. Jaedong is decidedly good against 2port because it plays like ZvZ, but the opponent's mutas trade production ability and health for range, cloak and cost, more or less. Jaedong's micro and overall management (not macroing, but controlling the fight's positions, etc) was S-Class, start to finish.
Leta also played an absolutely wonderful game. I honestly don't think anyone can execute 2port that good, and it's one of his facets that separates him from the other 2 S-Class terrans. It's a discredit to both Jaedong and Leta to simplify it to just the economy Jaedong had set up quickly.
It's a real shame Movie and Leta couldn't qualify because they had to go up to the monsters Jaedong and Fantasy. This tournament would've been much more interesting with such great players in it.
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Nada...
and JD got his revenge it appears.
the guy is unstoppable
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Ah, Jaedong passes through as expected.
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On July 03 2009 00:30 Harem wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2009 00:29 StorZerg wrote:On July 03 2009 00:16 pripple wrote:
Lee Jae Dong! Those were some nice games, seeing someone able to beat Leta's 2port wraith & the game against Movie felt like it was close as hell atleast in the first 2 attacks of Movie... Jaedong gonna go for MSL & OSL & GOM! for sure That happening nowadays is pretty unlikely.
Unlikely sure.
Then again Jaedong is playing pretty extraordinary SC lately... he's simply not losing against anyone right now.
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On July 02 2009 23:52 JWD wrote:
Jaedong: what a monster
Any games worth watching here?
All games worth a watch, great day of SC today + since you are doing a PR, there is no question you have to see the no1 play no?
The first 2 sets are reccomended for entertainment and creativity factor for sure, just look at who is playing.
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so nice of Nada to let Horang win
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9 Points away from breaking his ELO peak and 18 from Bisu's. Very possible with upcoming matches against stork/possible khan ace, light + possible mbc ace, and yarnc. The games wouldn't be huge upsets if he lost but let's face it, JD is the undisputed favorite against anyone not named Bisu.
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Just finished watching the game between Jaedong and Movie, did anyone notice movie's archon was attacking hatchery instead of sunken together with zealots in the first wave of attack he made? I believe he could've dealt a much bigger damage to Jaedong if he micro'ed the archon properly
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On July 03 2009 02:24 Fr33t wrote:
9 Points away from breaking his ELO peak and 18 from Bisu's. Very possible with upcoming matches against stork/possible khan ace, light + possible mbc ace, and yarnc. The games wouldn't be huge upsets if he lost but let's face it, JD is the undisputed favorite against anyone not named Bisu.
Huh i'd consider him a favorite against Bisu right now considering how the two are playing.
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On July 03 2009 03:06 Jayme wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2009 02:24 Fr33t wrote:
9 Points away from breaking his ELO peak and 18 from Bisu's. Very possible with upcoming matches against stork/possible khan ace, light + possible mbc ace, and yarnc. The games wouldn't be huge upsets if he lost but let's face it, JD is the undisputed favorite against anyone not named Bisu. Huh i'd consider him a favorite against Bisu right now considering how the two are playing.
How would you even decide who is the favorite in that matchup? Bisu won in their meeting but Jaedong is scarier. It's less that Bisu's the favorite and more that Bisu is the only player who Jaedong could lose against in a straight up game without it being a massive upset.
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No surprise from JD. Too bad for Nada, was hoping he still had a little gas in the tank.
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EPT
