EPTI've heard it said that you can always learn defense. But I'm not so sure about that. If I were building a team and looking to acquire a second/third piece, I'd rather go for an Ariza type that is sure to be a lockdown defensive perimeter force that has the athleticism and youth to potentially develop into an offensive threat rather than a Wally Szcerbiak type that is refined offensively and can shoot but doesn't have the athleticism to every develop into a lockdown defender.
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tenbagger
United States1289 Posts
I've heard it said that you can always learn defense. But I'm not so sure about that. If I were building a team and looking to acquire a second/third piece, I'd rather go for an Ariza type that is sure to be a lockdown defensive perimeter force that has the athleticism and youth to potentially develop into an offensive threat rather than a Wally Szcerbiak type that is refined offensively and can shoot but doesn't have the athleticism to every develop into a lockdown defender. | ||
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radar14
United States1437 Posts
That said, I'm pretty sure teams realize that his skillset at this point of his career doesn't command 2nd or even 3rd banana money, at least not on a contender. He is still extremely raw offensively and can't do much to create his own shot or make plays. Offensively, he's clearly at his best in transition. In the half-court, he's only useful when he's cutting to the basket or when his defender is forced to double on Kobe or Gasol. Of course, that's not to say that he can't develop all those things in the years to come. Of course, being a Lakers fan, I want to see him stay in LA. But I also don't want to see a guy with so much potential end up in a place where he'll be forced to try being someone he isn't yet. | ||
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il0seonpurpose
Korea (South)5638 Posts
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Roffles
Pitcairn19291 Posts
On June 17 2009 14:08 il0seonpurpose wrote: What do people mean when they say Ariza is a slasher? Likes to drive it to the hole. Penetrates at will. | ||
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shmay
United States1091 Posts
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Kingkosi
United States1215 Posts
On June 17 2009 10:09 iLoveKT wrote: bulls 09-10 champs! you heard it here first. seriously though, Derrick Rose will break out next season. A decent trade or 2 for a big man and Chicago is set. Ahh a Bulls fan, we are like family now  | ||
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unknown.sam
Philippines2701 Posts
On June 17 2009 14:19 Roffles wrote: Likes to drive it to the hole. Penetrates at will. i think being called a slasher also says a lot about your jumpshot in a way. | ||
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il0seonpurpose
Korea (South)5638 Posts
On June 17 2009 15:01 unknown.sam wrote: i think being called a slasher also says a lot about your jumpshot in a way. In a negative way? | ||
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unknown.sam
Philippines2701 Posts
yup...it USUALLY means you having no jumpshot | ||
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BalliSLife
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Xeris
Iran17695 Posts
On June 17 2009 15:41 BalliSLife wrote: examples? because for me a good slasher = a damn good player most of memphis.. Hakeem Warrick, Gerald Wallace, Larry Hughes are a few examples. they don't often always mean you don't have a jumpshot. slasher usually refers to a player who is really quick/athletic and does most of his damage by "slashing" to the rim. they also call Mike Miller a slasher, but he's got a great shot as well. | ||
Manifesto7
Osaka27089 Posts
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XaI)CyRiC
United States4471 Posts
In my opinion, the reason why the term slasher is usually associated with poor perimeter shooting is because players who are able to shoot from the perimeter and "slash" to the basket are labeled great scorers in general. It's when a player is significantly better at one moreso than the other that they get labeled as 1-dimensional "slashers" or "shooters". Kobe is about as good a slasher as you'll ever see, but his ability to shoot the ball from the perimeter so well has kept him from being labeled as one. Players like GWall, Warrick, etc. are seen as one-dimensional slashers because they're ability to drive to the basket far outweighs their perimeter shooting ability. | ||
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XaI)CyRiC
United States4471 Posts
http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2009/06/16/deconstructing-kobe/ The Simmons' article referenced: http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/090616&sportCat=nba I might be biased as a Lakers' fan, but I think most people that have kept up with this thread would agree that I'm about as objective of a basketball fan as you'll see here. I liked the article and I liked that it called out Simmons' clearly-biased article about Kobe. I know that Kobe is far from perfect and easy to hate, but Simmons' Boston homerism was a bit too blatant in that article and it sounded like a bunch of whiny bitterness from a Kobe/Lakers-hater. | ||
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d_so
Korea (South)3262 Posts
On June 17 2009 04:24 bdams19 wrote: It's just a hunch. The Warriors are one of the most vastly under performing teams in the league. They are literally loaded with young talent but yet no one gets consistent playing time and they have no chemistry. Beidrins and Ellis missed a large part of the season with injuries, and Stephen Jackson played 40+ minutes a game every game THROUGH injuries. As a result, Crazy Don Nelson experimented with ridiculous rotations. With Ellis, Biedrins, and Jackson healthy again, their rotation will revert back to normal. Ellis will run the point again, which will shift SJax back over to his natural position at SG. Maggette is as solid a 6 man as you can find in the NBA as far as scoring threats go (Jason Terry aside). Biedrins was having a break out year, improving in every single category but he still gets too many fouls too quickly and the same goes for Turiaf. If they can develop their raw players games a little, I feel like they are going to have pretty good team. Also, play defense lol. goldenstateofmind.com there you will find other crazy delusionals like urself =D i love the warriors too but im old enough now to temper my expectations, those two +.500 seasons notwithstanding | ||
Jibba
United States22883 Posts
On June 17 2009 16:53 XaI)CyRiC wrote: A pretty solid article about Kobe from a Lakers fan that includes discussion of Simmons' recent Kobe article: http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2009/06/16/deconstructing-kobe/ The Simmons' article referenced: http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/090616&sportCat=nba I might be biased as a Lakers' fan, but I think most people that have kept up with this thread would agree that I'm about as objective of a basketball fan as you'll see here. I liked the article and I liked that it called out Simmons' clearly-biased article about Kobe. I know that Kobe is far from perfect and easy to hate, but Simmons' Boston homerism was a bit too blatant in that article and it sounded like a bunch of whiny bitterness from a Kobe/Lakers-hater. Thanks for this. I read the Simmons' article the other day and I thought it was horrible. Comparing Kobe's playoff performances simply based off a basic stat line? Come on now... | ||
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HonestTea
5007 Posts
Kobe is slasher. Paul Pierce is slasher. Ray Allen used to be a mean ass slasher | ||
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eStoniaNBoY
Switzerland439 Posts
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Xusneb
Canada612 Posts
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Xeris
Iran17695 Posts
On June 17 2009 20:54 eStoniaNBoY wrote: If Lakers can stay together then Simmons is wrong. If otherwise he is most likely right. Up to Kobe to show if he is unselfish or not. what does that have to do with Kobe's selfishness? O_O;; | ||
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