EPTIf they slapped NK on the wrist, this shit would cease and desist, yes it is that simple.
North Korea conducts nuclear test - Page 2
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HeadBangaa
United States6512 Posts
If they slapped NK on the wrist, this shit would cease and desist, yes it is that simple. | ||
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HunterX11
United States1048 Posts
On May 25 2009 13:49 psion0011 wrote: Why would anyone want to take over NK? Nobody wants their shit because they'll be inheriting 25 million starving peasants with absolutely zero skills. It would literally ruin south korea's economy if they suddenly reunified. It will certainly make German reunification look like a picnic, but also remember that the North is resource-rich and the South is the "poor" part of the peninsula. | ||
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Zato-1
Chile4253 Posts
On May 25 2009 13:18 koreasilver wrote: They just want attention and help. Obviously they themselves know that they aren't in the position to get into an actual war with anyone. Do not speak of 'them'. It's 'him', and that is Kim Jong Il. Attention he wants. Help? Not so much. He'd rather be respected and feared than be offered a helping hand and take it. Don't assume he has his nation's best interests in mind just because he's their ruler. | ||
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jjun212
Canada2208 Posts
On May 25 2009 13:40 HnR)hT wrote: Incidentally, does anybody know why there are American troops in Korea still? i just thought it was because korea sent troops to the middle east to maintain good relations and the US is just honouring that. (even though they had troops there anyway) it'd be rude to take them out? | ||
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Zato-1
Chile4253 Posts
On May 25 2009 13:22 hahaimhenry wrote: Well if they want attention, they're doing a pretty good job. The fact that nuclear weapons are in play gets anybody interested/frightened. But seriously they have nothing to face up against.. I dont't know.. the world? The world? You wish. Half of South American countries are too busy staring at their belly buttons and promoting populist agendas. Africa is a joke as far as influence on asia is concerned. China and Russia like having a more extreme communist nation playing the part of the irrational, unreasonable, unstable threat because it makes them look reasonable by comparison, and their influence over NK and their vetoes in the UN security council give them leverage with the US. Half of Europe is too scared that Russia will cut off their gas supply to lift a finger, and the UN is a toothless dog. As long as China and Russia support NK, the US will have precious few allies- South Korea certainly, Georgia probably (not that it matters), Colombia in South America, maybe Canada or some european countries. | ||
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QuoC
United States724 Posts
On May 25 2009 14:38 Zato-1 wrote: The world? You wish. Half of South American countries are too busy staring at their belly buttons and promoting populist agendas. Africa is a joke as far as influence on asia is concerned. China and Russia like having a more extreme communist nation playing the part of the irrational, unreasonable, unstable threat because it makes them look reasonable by comparison, and their influence over NK and their vetoes in the UN security council give them leverage with the US. Half of Europe is too scared that Russia will cut off their gas supply to lift a finger, and the UN is a toothless dog. As long as China and Russia support NK, the US will have precious few allies- South Korea certainly, Georgia probably (not that it matters), Colombia in South America, maybe Canada or some european countries. wow, i mean, i don't know much about the world politics and whatnot.. but you SURE know what everyone's thinking, huh? maybe you should run for president. of the world. anyways, i always wondered.. i know we obviously (US) have technologies to detect & stop a nuclear missile (if we don't, i don't know if we can even be considered a powerful country) but as everyone agrees with how we can turn them into a desert within seconds, can't they do the same IF the missile does hit our country and take out half of the states? I mean.. I don't know where all our technologies and whatnot are (I'm sure we hide them pretty well, probably underground somewhere) but once a nuke -no pun intended >_>- hits us and wipes out half of our states (let alone any weapons that gets demolished at that point), won't we basically go from the top of the most powerful countries to the bottom? just wondering. | ||
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InToTheWannaB
United States4770 Posts
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InToTheWannaB
United States4770 Posts
On May 25 2009 13:40 HnR)hT wrote: They are there to die. No joke thats there reason. If anyone ever attacked SK they have to kill US troops to do it. Then we can declare war. Same reason we had 20k troops in berlin for 50 years. You did not think those 20k troops were there to put up a fight vs like 5,000,000 russians did you? No they are just there to die lol.Incidentally, does anybody know why there are American troops in Korea still? | ||
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Jayme
United States5866 Posts
On May 25 2009 14:38 Zato-1 wrote: As long as China and Russia support NK, the US will have precious few allies- South Korea certainly, Georgia probably (not that it matters), Colombia in South America, maybe Canada or some european countries. China and Russia don't support NK... it's political suicide to do so. China has no desire to have ANOTHER nuclear power that close to them. Russia.. well Russia is slowly but surely trudging back to its soviet union type government. | ||
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hymn
Bulgaria832 Posts
And if North Korea has nukes at least we are going to see if the US in fact have anti-missile defense or they are just talking big time. | ||
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hymn
Bulgaria832 Posts
On May 25 2009 15:52 Jayme wrote:Russia.. well Russia is slowly but surely trudging back to its soviet union type government. Now, how did YOU reach that conclusion? It looks to me that Russia is going to stay in this state of a democracy where there is the party of Vladimir Putin unopposed. But the Russians are definitely NOT oppressed like in the 1950's. From what I've seen they look proud and happy to be a strong nation again. They've got freedom of speech and etc. It's not like a man's going to say "Putin sux ass!" and he's going to jail... | ||
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HeadBangaa
United States6512 Posts
I may be wrong, but that's what other slavs have even told me. | ||
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ondik
Czech Republic2908 Posts
On May 25 2009 16:17 hymn wrote: They've got freedom of speech and etc. It's not like a man's going to say "Putin sux ass!" and he's going to jail... lol.. um.. NO | ||
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aqui
Germany1023 Posts
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aqui
Germany1023 Posts
On May 25 2009 15:00 QuoC wrote: wow, i mean, i don't know much about the world politics and whatnot.. but you SURE know what everyone's thinking, huh? maybe you should run for president. of the world. anyways, i always wondered.. i know we obviously (US) have technologies to detect & stop a nuclear missile (if we don't, i don't know if we can even be considered a powerful country) but as everyone agrees with how we can turn them into a desert within seconds, can't they do the same IF the missile does hit our country and take out half of the states? I mean.. I don't know where all our technologies and whatnot are (I'm sure we hide them pretty well, probably underground somewhere) but once a nuke -no pun intended >_>- hits us and wipes out half of our states (let alone any weapons that gets demolished at that point), won't we basically go from the top of the most powerful countries to the bottom? just wondering. i would like to see THAT missle. | ||
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baal
10490 Posts
On May 25 2009 13:17 AltaiR_ wrote: kim jong il is trying to be the threat he was 5 years ago. as soon as things get out of hand us will intervene and people will hate america more. the end. The US wont intervene, there is no much to gain to fight such a war, especially when they have nuclear capabilities, no event will trigger any kind of intervention besides like the launch of a nuclear strike which wont happen, Kim is a megalomanic insane man but he still doesnt want to commit country-suicide by doing it. | ||
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
On May 25 2009 16:48 ondik wrote: You say that NK is just trying to scare world to get more economical help and that fall of NK would economically destroy SK. But tell me one thing - when crazy Kim Jong Il is on his deathbed, what keeps him from one simple order "nuke them with all we got"? Don't you think his mind is sick enough and full of hate to do it? guy on a death bed orders you to commit suicide whats your reaction gonna be? his generals arent retards either | ||
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hymn
Bulgaria832 Posts
On May 25 2009 16:36 HeadBangaa wrote: Are you so sure about that last statement, hymn? I thought public demonstrations against government figures caused people to disappear, even in modern Russia? I may be wrong, but that's what other slavs have even told me. Well I've talked to only like 3-4 Russians. It is completely possible they all support the party of Putin. I guess we can wait for a Russian to respond and tell us the real deal. | ||
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hymn
Bulgaria832 Posts
Would you please care to elaborate a bit cause this looks childish to me. Do you have proof about someone actually saying that he hates the Russian government and then the whole system starts to make his life as miserable as possible? I've read articles in some Russian newspapers that don't approve of some moves of Putin and so on. The papers are still alive. I agree, it's not the same level of freedom like in the Western democracies but they do have the right of free speech. | ||
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HnR)hT
United States3468 Posts
On May 25 2009 16:17 hymn wrote: Now, how did YOU reach that conclusion? It looks to me that Russia is going to stay in this state of a democracy where there is the party of Vladimir Putin unopposed. But the Russians are definitely NOT oppressed like in the 1950's. From what I've seen they look proud and happy to be a strong nation again. They've got freedom of speech and etc. It's not like a man's going to say "Putin sux ass!" and he's going to jail... Russia is ruled by a KGB thugocracy. Russians have not come to terms with their historical crimes, and the Russian state promotes official patriotism that deliberately whitewashes Stalin and inculcates nostalgia for the USSR. Russian historiography, at least since the days of Nikolay Karamzin, has encouraged the mentality that the people exist to serve the state and not the other way around. More to the point, the entire immense organism known as "the Russian people," is sick and dying. Russia has even lower fertility rates than the white Europe, coupled with through-the-roof mortality rates due to primitive, underdevoloped health infrastructure and a culture of alcoholism and violence. The Putin government, despite superficial and largely symbolic measures, has utterly failed to combat such trends, being instead too busy enriching its individual members (by some estimates, Putin is now by far the wealthiest man in the world) and seeking, desperately and foolishly, to "matter" on the world stage "like in the good old days." All this implies, by the way, that in a matter of decades Russia will no longer be capable of playing its historical role as an ally and protector of Orthodox Christendom, and of Slavic peoples, in the Balkans and elsewhere. It is the conventional wisdom (among those who think about such things for a living) that, if the present trends continue, the 21st century will see Russia in its final death throes. | ||
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