EPTI mean international sanctions, trade embargos, are already withstanding and may expand, but is there any tangible benefit to testing a nuke?
North Korea conducts nuclear test - Page 5
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aRod
United States758 Posts
I mean international sanctions, trade embargos, are already withstanding and may expand, but is there any tangible benefit to testing a nuke? | ||
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MoltkeWarding
5195 Posts
I'm wondering what N. Korea hopes to gain by testing a nuke. What about military development? A nuclear power must undergo nuclear testing. | ||
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baal
10545 Posts
On May 26 2009 19:28 The Storyteller wrote: If the US stopped being "hypocritical" I would be shitting myself. It may be easy for Americans to say that the US should be less hypocritical, but as someone in Asia who is uncomfortably close to North Korea, I would much rather the US continue being Asia's policeman. No country without nuclear weapons wields enough power to get North Korea to listen. And of the countries that do have nukes but haven't used them before, Britain, France and India are not exactly in a position to dictate terms to North Korea. That leaves China and Russia... China and Russia handling North Korea and its nukes?! I'll take the US any day! dont be retarded, as soon as a country has a nuclear weapon it becomes untouchable, you want US to handle it? they wont handle it, as they havent handled Kim for decades now, if somebody invades North Korea they will make a crater out of Seoul. Thats the whole point of the nuke, Kim says fuck you "cant touch me" MC Hammer style. | ||
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Torenhire
United States11681 Posts
On May 27 2009 03:47 baal wrote: dont be retarded, as soon as a country has a nuclear weapon it becomes untouchable, you want US to handle it? they wont handle it, as they havent handled Kim for decades now, if somebody invades North Korea they will make a crater out of Seoul. Thats the whole point of the nuke, Kim says fuck you "cant touch me" MC Hammer style. This. | ||
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baal
10545 Posts
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OverTheUnder
United States2929 Posts
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DarkYoDA
United States1347 Posts
On May 27 2009 03:47 baal wrote: dont be retarded, as soon as a country has a nuclear weapon it becomes untouchable, you want US to handle it? they wont handle it, as they havent handled Kim for decades now, if somebody invades North Korea they will make a crater out of Seoul. Thats the whole point of the nuke, Kim says fuck you "cant touch me" MC Hammer style. You're over-reading into it... What do you mean by handle? Watch how they handle them IF N.Korea really do nuke someone. But for now, handling them isn't a one step procedure. Handling them before and after they nuke a country are different issues altogether. [Edit] But I like that cartoon baal.. ;p | ||
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Caller
Poland8075 Posts
http://www.vbs.tv/video.php?id=1438428757 It's a well done documentary imho. | ||
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baal
10545 Posts
On May 27 2009 15:47 DarkYoDA wrote: You're over-reading into it... What do you mean by handle? Watch how they handle them IF N.Korea really do nuke someone. But for now, handling them isn't a one step procedure. Handling them before and after they nuke a country are different issues altogether. They are not going to nuke are you serious? wtf. | ||
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DarkYoDA
United States1347 Posts
Well most observers feel Kim is just huffing and puffing... They could be wrong but we'll see... My gut feel is that he's really just displaying the size of his dick here rather than to having brass balls to do something hardcore. I dunno it's anybody's guess | ||
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Passion
Netherlands1486 Posts
As long as NK is not under attack, they won't use their bombs. So until that happens, the biggest threat would be trade/the selling of their nuclear technology to people who have nothing to lose and are crazy enough to maybe actually use it. It seems unlikely, however, that any terrorist group would be capable of hosting and using it. | ||
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DarkYoDA
United States1347 Posts
On May 27 2009 17:23 Passion wrote: Darkyoda, I don't think the plan ever was for North Korea to take over Asia as soon as they had a nuclear bomb. They have been under constant threat of attack (rightfully so or not) for a long time. I guess hopes are this will give them a break, or at least a lot more leverage. As long as NK is not under attack, they won't use their bombs. So until that happens, the biggest threat would be trade/the selling of their nuclear technology to people who have nothing to lose and are crazy enough to maybe actually use it. It seems unlikely, however, that any terrorist group would be capable of hosting and using it. As per my previous post, I agreeably don't think he's doing anything "real". For the part on selling to others? Who do you think will buy from them? Russia and China (who already have their nukes)? Other Asian countries? Who'll buy from them without serious political and economic considerations? I don't see how the costs of development can ever be offset by realistic or substantial proceeds from sale of nuclear arms to anyone. There's only one country I can think of that may buy from N.Korea but to avoid an uproar, I'll keep that point to myself. Even then I don't think that country will buy from them but develop it on their own. My point is, whether you take this as a good or bad way, he's merely trying to keep a tight grip on his country or some other pride related objectives and agreeably little chance of doing any real damage - In any way. | ||
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DarkYoDA
United States1347 Posts
I know it's not a perfect one but sufficient to illustrate my point. Ever been in a game where you joined in a 7v1comp game and the comp is destroyed in minutes?.... Thereafter you realized the game hasn't ended... Someone didn't ally vic. So what do people feel? They take a look at each other's bases and see what they build. If someone is building a lot suddenly and taken care of both attack and defense you become extremely wary of that person. In some sense, this is the same in reality. The MAIN difference is that 5 countries now holds the right to nuclear weapons and of course, although it's not a perfect scenario but I've explained it's the best situtation for now. In such a game you also try to have a few strong players as well. In fact, everyone will build a strong army and 200/200 and wait. No one would (and rightfully so) just sit there and let other's build the weapons. Now we're talking about 8 players. This world we're living in has 200 countries. If we allow all 200 to build the ending is going to be the same as for such a game - annihilation of everyone except one or even none. Zero is bad too because if someone starts to build the other 199 countries will be caught pants down (just like 7v1c the 7 will all build up to defend). So there's a decent rationale for having a few countries having nukes and not everyone in the balance of deterrence and catastrophe. As with the case of 7v1c, we don't give a shit what the person says if he starts moving out of his base with his army, he's the person to target. I suspect Kim wants to be the target for attention sake and nothing else. Pardon me if you feel this is badly illustrated. There are merits on both ends. Whatever it is, I'm done with my viewpoint which I seldom participate in nowadays. I just feel there's no reason anyone should expect the extremities of the whole world having zero nukes or all have nukes as a sign of fairness. That's all. Peace out!;P | ||
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spkim1
Canada286 Posts
Second, no one should really act... if N.Korea launches its missiles it will receive ten times more in the face and turn into soup...along with South Korea which is very close to it. And whoever's got family in South Korea like me would understand how serious this issue is, and how stupid the world (humans) are in stirring up this mess and how weapons makers should all go die | ||
zatic
Zurich15362 Posts
On May 27 2009 17:41 DarkYoDA wrote: Who do you think will buy from them? I don't see how the costs of development can ever be offset by realistic or substantial proceeds from sale of nuclear arms to anyone. There's only one country I can think of that may buy from N.Korea but to avoid an uproar, I'll keep that point to myself. Even then I don't think that country will buy from them but develop it on their own. I don't think once you are ready to sell nuclear weaponry you will have any problem to find buyers. In fact you can probably start a nice bidding war. | ||
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baal
10545 Posts
On May 27 2009 18:29 zatic wrote: I don't think once you are ready to sell nuclear weaponry you will have any problem to find buyers. In fact you can probably start a nice bidding war. N. Korea wont sell a nuclear bomb, the man is a nutjob but if a nuke made by him detonates he knows North Korea will be a crater the next day, Kim doesnt want to start a nuclear war, he just wants big leverage, as he has always done it, pressure to get stuff in exchange etc. The EXURSS had over 5,000 nuclear heads, that were in hands of countries that were part of it, also countries like Pakistan and India who are in war and are extremely poor have them. If anybody wanted a Nuke, it would be much easier to get it from the ex-soviet union but nobody will ever sell a nuclear bomb because it would mean that the country who sells it will be destroyed in the same way. Best they can do is sell technology to countries wanting to develop one, but only countries can develop one because enriching U-238 is impossible for a rouge army its a process far to costly and complicated. So chill out, Kim wont use the bomb nor sell one, other shitty countries (pakistan?) have them too and in the middle of a war and they havent used them. | ||
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eStoniaNBoY
Switzerland439 Posts
Nuclear weapons, very high tech electronics for missiles and space technology,special fuels, very valuable metals, tanks, helicopters, planes and many other stuff was sold by Soviet Generals like it was a common fair. Viktor Bout and Leonid Minin were little boys compared to some others, high rank generals who made a very nice fortune selling them. There were closed zones and cities in Soviet Union. "Pass and you get shot" like zones and nobody even knew what was going on there. Somehow some of these places have very high radioactive levels. M/S Estonia was taken down because it was smuggling Soviet technology to NATO and Isreal. 852 people died because of that. It is speculated that the techonology was VERY high tech communication/radar and missile system. There are far more superior systems than a weak nuclear bomb that North Korea is building. So the question you all should ask is why they are doing so? Is Taiwan next to be threatened? What about Iran? | ||
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Bob123
Korea (North)259 Posts
On May 27 2009 19:48 eStoniaNBoY wrote: M/S Estonia was taken down because it was smuggling Soviet technology to NATO and Isreal. 852 people died because of that. It is speculated that the techonology was VERY high tech communication/radar and missile system. Source on this? | ||
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zatic
Zurich15362 Posts
On May 27 2009 19:48 eStoniaNBoY wrote: M/S Estonia was taken down because it was smuggling Soviet technology to NATO and Isreal. 852 people died because of that. It is speculated that the techonology was VERY high tech communication/radar and missile system. Yeah, please give sources for this. Also, so what Soviets sold conventional weapons in the 90's like crazy, everybody knows this. Give me one example where nuclear weapons were being sold. Again, there is certainly not a lack of potential buyers. Maybe you should watch more movies. | ||
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Hot77.iEy
Finland1486 Posts
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