EPTPower Rank 04/10/2009 - Page 22
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Avidkeystamper
United States8551 Posts
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
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Sentenal
United States12398 Posts
On May 13 2009 11:51 TwoToneTerran wrote: Did you seriously just say his bias comes from his country? How xenophobic can you fucking be dude. Shouldn't your country say "Romania" too? | ||
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
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400lb White Girl
United States83 Posts
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Jaeden
Romania1489 Posts
 ) on my first impressionanyway, my example was a little off, I didnt want to make it seem like I complain for the final against fantasy, I've exagerated, but anyways, the thing is that JDs match against Movie counts against him, coz he only won 2-1. That's stupid imho. also Movie is no Zergbong, thanks. ohh and ALSO for the ones who understand only what they want(yeah you!), I wont mind Bisu beein` #1 (I dont agree with Fantasy #1), coz he played better than JD this month. | ||
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Jaeden
Romania1489 Posts
And another thing, how can u make the analogy with my name? Everyone calls me Jaeden, that's my nickname, it has nothing to do with Jaedong. oh and, I dont mind the Romanian jokes, coz those are stupid, and veeeeeeery outdated anyways | ||
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Geo.Rion
7377 Posts
On May 13 2009 11:59 Avidkeystamper wrote: Erm, that's just a joke around here that people from Romania are a little...off (dumb). Actually you are way off. The term "romanian" is used here on TL when someone does not get the sarcasm in a post, and takes its first meaning, but it's a joke... http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=81085 2. point | ||
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fanatacist
10319 Posts
On May 13 2009 11:46 Avidkeystamper wrote: Obviously, if you watched the games it should be obvious. @ Fanta, you're right, but you don't have to call out every instance of bias, especially only against Jaedong supporters. In my opinion, it seemed to be aiming to argue the current topic underhandedly; it appeared to me that he was saying something along the lines of "everyone is picking on Jaedong for his losses to Fantasy, but Jaedong won the series" which really means "Jaedong is better than Fantasy just no one realizes it" which means "JAEDONG NUMBA 1". If my initial premise (that he was arguing the current topic) is incorrect, then it was just a post unrelated to the current discussion that was clearly put to promote a certain player, and when the bias is so strong in doing so, I called it out. I have nothing against Jaedong or his fans, I think he is a fucking A+ gamer and is at least on par with Bisu if not greater in terms of skill. If his PL record was slightly better than Bisu's, I would be all for having him #1. But right now Bisu is on a killing spree, whereas neither Fantasy or Jaedong are. Power is a measure of how good the player is - good players don't drop games except the occasional cheese (Bisu). This means that losing 2 games due to poor MnM usage (Fantasy) does not apply to being #1. And although pointing out that the 2 losses against Fantasy are being overrated (Jaedong), it does not address the other issue - why his PL stats are not as impressive as Bisu's. On May 13 2009 11:51 TwoToneTerran wrote: Did you seriously just say his bias comes from his country? How xenophobic can you fucking be dude. On May 13 2009 12:19 TwoToneTerran wrote: Ah, yes, overgeneralized racist jokes. How not xenophobic. ![[image loading]](http://lollernet.com/pics/gif/roflcopter.gif) On May 13 2009 18:45 Jaeden wrote: Fantacist, fu, u didnt seem so ...off( ) on my first impressionanyway, my example was a little off, I didnt want to make it seem like I complain for the final against fantasy, I've exagerated, but anyways, the thing is that JDs match against Movie counts against him, coz he only won 2-1. That's stupid imho. also Movie is no Zergbong, thanks. ohh and ALSO for the ones who understand only what they want(yeah you!), I wont mind Bisu beein` #1 (I dont agree with Fantasy #1), coz he played better than JD this month. What I bolded is exactly what I was talking about. I understand your sentiments but the fact is Jaedong should not be dropping even 1 game to players like Movie is he is S-class. Especially in a series, where players like Jaedong/Bisu/Fantasy are considered to be at their strongest. It also makes his record not as impressive as Bisu's. Not saying Movie is Zergbong; Movie is a pretty good player, but he's not near the level of Bisu either, which should be Jaedong's only competent P opponent at the moment (as evidenced by their series a few months ago). I don't understand only what I want, I understand only what you said, which was "JAEDONG WON THE SERIES, DON'T YOU DARE FORGET!" You said nothing of the latter part of your post (Bisu #1). On May 13 2009 18:49 Jaeden wrote: Fantacist, u should know this, coz we had a little discussion a few months ago. I`m trying to not be biased, but, I am. And another thing, how can u make the analogy with my name? Everyone calls me Jaeden, that's my nickname, it has nothing to do with Jaedong. oh and, I dont mind the Romanian jokes, coz those are stupid, and veeeeeeery outdated anyways Look at the posts around yours and see if yours was in the right place at the right time, addressing the issue EVERYONE was talking about. When you bring it up seemingly out of the blue, and make it ambiguous (since you said you really meant that losing against Movie should not be held against him, that you were against Fantasy #1, and that Bisu played better than Jaedong this month), it makes it glare out as flaming bias. Ah, well that's my bad, it seemed to be too much of a coincidence to be unrelated. | ||
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Geo.Rion
7377 Posts
Jaedong almost always loses his first game in a series. This did not prevent him to take and hold the nr.1 rank so far, so you sohuld get over it. Jd is known for doing this, check his bo3 and bo5 series. | ||
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fanatacist
10319 Posts
On May 13 2009 21:14 Geo.Rion wrote: Jaedong almost always loses his first game in a series. This did not prevent him to take and hold the nr.1 rank so far, so you sohuld get over it. Jd is known for doing this, check his bo3 and bo5 series. Yea, but there is a difference between doing that with Fantasy or Bisu and doing that with Movie. It's irrelevant if that's how Jaedong does it every time if he does it when he faces no-name scrubs, players worse than him that are still good, AND other S-class gamers. Are you trying to argue that he loses the first game on purpose? That would be the only excuse for his loss. However, I doubt Jaedong is that stupid. | ||
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Geo.Rion
7377 Posts
On May 13 2009 21:18 fanatacist wrote: Yea, but there is a difference between doing that with Fantasy or Bisu and doing that with Movie. It's irrelevant if that's how Jaedong does it every time if he does it when he faces no-name scrubs, players worse than him that are still good, AND other S-class gamers. Are you trying to argue that he loses the first game on purpose? That would be the only excuse for his loss. However, I doubt Jaedong is that stupid. he's not doing it on purpose. It's just a habit or sg , there were some intreviwes where they asked him why does this happen. Try to find them, i dont have the whole day . | ||
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d(O.o)a
Canada5066 Posts
On May 13 2009 11:51 TwoToneTerran wrote: Did you seriously just say his bias comes from his country? How xenophobic can you fucking be dude. Teamliquid meme. | ||
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Musoeun
United States4324 Posts
On May 13 2009 11:33 AzureEye wrote: Bisu's been 8-1 since his last OSL loss. That 1 loss is cheese. How does Fantasy deserve a #1 spot over Bisu when Fantasy has been 6-2 since OSL finals? Bisu's games have been 1 sided lately as well (i.e. Bisu vs Calm) I don't think that a proxy hatch contain halfway through a game counts as cheese, and Bisu didn't respond to it half as well as free did. I'm not debating your main point (Bisu owns joo), but you can't just dismiss the loss. To be clear, great beats Bisu with a 5-pool? Cheese. great beats Bisu by building map control and sunken-containing? Not cheese. Plus, regardless of the methods employed, Bisu still lost. Results matter. Alternatively, we have to discount Bisu's win over Leta, which was truly cheesy. But that would be silly. | ||
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Jaeden
Romania1489 Posts
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fusionsdf
Canada15390 Posts
On May 13 2009 21:18 fanatacist wrote: Yea, but there is a difference between doing that with Fantasy or Bisu and doing that with Movie. It's irrelevant if that's how Jaedong does it every time if he does it when he faces no-name scrubs, players worse than him that are still good, AND other S-class gamers. Are you trying to argue that he loses the first game on purpose? That would be the only excuse for his loss. However, I doubt Jaedong is that stupid. He has to warm up. Plus movie isnt that bad a player | ||
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Sentenal
United States12398 Posts
For example: Flash beat Stork 3-0 in Bacchus 08. The TL News post for that series was "Prison Rape". There was no question about the utter domination Flash had at that time. It wasn't a particularly good series, but no one could deny Flash after that. 3-0 implies dominance. If we look at either of the past two OSL Finals, both have been 3-2. 3-2 series are much more entertaining to watch as a viewer, but it shows the series was relatively close, with even the losing player coming extremely close to winning. It implies that the two players are at least close in skill level. Winning 3-0 or even 2-0 should show dominance. Winning 3-2 or 2-1 shows a relatively close series. | ||
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Jaeden
Romania1489 Posts
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
Jaedong had other losses in proleague that showed some little hitches in his flawless play from last month that make talking about whether he should stay on top a worthwhile debate. | ||
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Sentenal
United States12398 Posts
On May 14 2009 03:50 Jaeden wrote: yeah but why does that count as a minus to bisu..who doesnt even play in gsl, I mean, it's better to win even though 2-1, than to no play at all, right? (don`t get me wrong, bisu had a better month I`m not arguing with that) What? What sort of argument is that...? No one faults Bisu for not being in GOM s3, that was his team's decision, not his. If someone didn't play in something, they didn't play in something. I guess I can fault Jaedong for not playing in SKT1 vs STX... No wait, that's retarded. Players should be judged based on the games they played, and the results produced by those games. | ||
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