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TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-05-14 18:19:47
May 14 2009 18:17 GMT
#461
Effort maybe (he is kind of underrated), but didn't calm not even qualify for the MSL? He might get a lower spot but getting knocked out in the prelims is kind of damaging to your status as "top ten" player on the scene.
Remember Violet.
Jaksiel
Profile Joined November 2008
United States4130 Posts
May 14 2009 18:30 GMT
#462
On May 15 2009 03:17 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Effort maybe (he is kind of underrated), but didn't calm not even qualify for the MSL? He might get a lower spot but getting knocked out in the prelims is kind of damaging to your status as "top ten" player on the scene.


Calm isn't out of the MSL. He plays the winner of Sair/go.go tonight and if he wins, he's in.
Zero fighting.
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
May 14 2009 18:40 GMT
#463
Ah alright, my bad. I just remember Bisu taking him out earlier.
Remember Violet.
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-05-14 18:43:34
May 14 2009 18:41 GMT
#464
yea, his only losses in the past month and a half are vs. Bisu, Zero and Great, I have faith that he'll be able to take out go.go or Sair tomorrow night.

That's for OSL though, he did get booted from MSL by Hogil I think in the offline qualifiers...
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
May 14 2009 18:51 GMT
#465
No no, that's for MSL, tomorrow's MST Group 12.
Remember Violet.
Origami
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States266 Posts
May 14 2009 18:52 GMT
#466
On May 15 2009 02:39 AzureEye wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 15 2009 02:15 Avidkeystamper wrote:
It's about the current best player.


Theoretically, this is what PR should be about, (and I would love to see Flash / Jaedong / Bisu on top of PR for a year) but since PR is monthly, and people are damn impatient and always wants change, PR becomes more of a monthly performance. Someone said PR would be "boring" if they saw those 3 titans on top 3 for a year, but I disagree


This is going to be a little... exaggerated, but I need to do it to make my point.

What if Jaedong somehow got DQ'd out of the OSL back in the Ro16? What if his team also didn't make the WL playoffs because Hiya wasn't there to pick up some slack?

In the real world, Jaedong went into beast mode and won a lot of shit. In this pretend world, Jaedong wouldn't have played a single game during the time span that this current PR covers. How do you rank someone on playing ability when you have no idea how well they played in a month? Would he still be ranked #1? Would he still even be in the top 3? In a perfect world we always know how good a player is, but in reality we can only base this on games which are broadcast.

Due to this, PR must be somewhat based on monthly performance. The only way you could fairly justify Jaedong being highly ranked after that would be if you had access to practice games, in which I would wonder why you're not sharing them with the replay section.
Magic84
Profile Joined October 2008
Russian Federation1381 Posts
May 14 2009 19:38 GMT
#467
Jaedong should remain #1, OSL win is too fresh and he kind of defeated the curse slump, started raping people hard again.

Bisu looks unbeatable once again, he's can hardly be beaten in PL when he can prepare for the opponent on one specific map, his stats are great.
He should be the only protoss on the list.

Lux sucks way too hard right now. By.hero never plays, same for Nada.

Calm, zero, fantasy, flash, leta, effort are all should be there, they are interchangeable. Maybe also Iris, but he never plays.
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
May 14 2009 20:06 GMT
#468
Nominal Hyvaa inclusion for actually beating Jaedong zvz.
Remember Violet.
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
May 14 2009 20:18 GMT
#469
On May 15 2009 03:51 TwoToneTerran wrote:
No no, that's for MSL, tomorrow's MST Group 12.

oh sorry, he's out of the OSL then by Hogill :p and still potentially in the MSL...
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
Nylan
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States795 Posts
May 14 2009 20:35 GMT
#470
On May 15 2009 01:53 AzureEye wrote:

EDIT: + Show Spoiler +
Saw Jaedong tear up Ganzi and Doctor K just now. Now I don't know if Jaedong should remain #1 or give it to Bisu.


Doctor.K microed like he'd lost a hand and GanZi just failed, to be fair.
BeSt/Pure/Canata/Calm - I believe in Doh Jae Wook
AzureEye
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States1360 Posts
May 14 2009 21:08 GMT
#471
On May 15 2009 05:35 Nylan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 15 2009 01:53 AzureEye wrote:

EDIT: + Show Spoiler +
Saw Jaedong tear up Ganzi and Doctor K just now. Now I don't know if Jaedong should remain #1 or give it to Bisu.


Doctor.K microed like he'd lost a hand and GanZi just failed, to be fair.


Yeah every game Jaedong wins, his opponent messes up severely right? I mean, the only reason Fantasy lost the finals to Jaedong was he caught the swine flu for the last 3 games
Terrans who whine: http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=107788
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-05-14 21:12:20
May 14 2009 21:11 GMT
#472
While I agree that Jaedong was playing like his old self, Ganzi and Doctor. K both made some pretty bad moves those games. They weren't as important as JD's crazy flanks and other such nonsense but they weren't really playing a class or anything.
Remember Violet.
Mooga
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States575 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-05-14 22:13:16
May 14 2009 21:59 GMT
#473
Sadly, Flash isn't playing up to his potential, so he does deserve that position on the power rank. I think once he gets his confidence back, his mechanics will fall into place and he'll start dominating again.
Avidkeystamper
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States8556 Posts
May 14 2009 22:20 GMT
#474
Well, really those games shouldn't detract from much since Jaedong was expected to steamroll them, and he did. Though tense, back and forth games are more entertaining, they are, in most cases, not as impressive as an easy win.
Jaedong
Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12398 Posts
May 14 2009 22:29 GMT
#475
On May 15 2009 06:08 AzureEye wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 15 2009 05:35 Nylan wrote:
On May 15 2009 01:53 AzureEye wrote:

EDIT: + Show Spoiler +
Saw Jaedong tear up Ganzi and Doctor K just now. Now I don't know if Jaedong should remain #1 or give it to Bisu.


Doctor.K microed like he'd lost a hand and GanZi just failed, to be fair.


Yeah every game Jaedong wins, his opponent messes up severely right? I mean, the only reason Fantasy lost the finals to Jaedong was he caught the swine flu for the last 3 games

I think he was just saying that there wasn't anything out of the ordinary that happened with those games. Jaedong played like Jaedong, and Doctor.K and Ganzi played like Doctor.K and Ganzi.
"Apparently, Sentenal is a paragon of friendship and tolerance. " - Ech0ne
Avidkeystamper
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States8556 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-05-14 22:40:04
May 14 2009 22:35 GMT
#476
Well, why should that matter is Jaedong raped them like he should've?. The "to be fair" comment suggests that those games should not be counted as normal wins, since they are lower quality opponents, but that's not a good way to look at the skill level.
Jaedong
Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12398 Posts
May 14 2009 22:53 GMT
#477
On May 15 2009 07:35 Avidkeystamper wrote:
Well, why should that matter is Jaedong raped them like he should've?. The "to be fair" comment suggests that those games should not be counted as normal wins, since they are lower quality opponents, but that's not a good way to look at the skill level.

Winning against Doctor.K or Ganzi isn't something that should make someone go "OMG THIS IS THE BEST PLAYER EVER, HE BEAT BOTH DOCTOR.K AND GANZI!" I think that was the point he was making.
"Apparently, Sentenal is a paragon of friendship and tolerance. " - Ech0ne
Avidkeystamper
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States8556 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-05-14 23:13:02
May 14 2009 22:56 GMT
#478
But the person he was posting for didn't even so anything close to that. He was still ambivalent about Jaedong's position.

Obviously then, the guy that responded to azure's intent was closer to my previous post.

Whatever, this is irrelevant to the PR.
Jaedong
Solidus_315
Profile Joined January 2009
213 Posts
May 15 2009 00:04 GMT
#479
On May 14 2009 07:53 Nylan wrote:
KeSPA #1 Power Rank

Absolutely destroyed Leta and GoRush without dropping a match.



+ Show Spoiler +
this smiley is really cute
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flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26782 Posts
June 28 2010 05:28 GMT
#480
FakeSteve I am rereading all the old Power Ranks and I loved your description for #1 for this month's.
Lulz.
Writerdamn, i was two days from retirement
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