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Avidkeystamper
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States8556 Posts
May 13 2009 02:59 GMT
#421
Erm, that's just a joke around here that people from Romania are a little...off (dumb).
Jaedong
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
May 13 2009 03:19 GMT
#422
Ah, yes, overgeneralized racist jokes. How not xenophobic.
Remember Violet.
Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12398 Posts
May 13 2009 03:38 GMT
#423
On May 13 2009 11:51 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 13 2009 10:03 fanatacist wrote:
On May 13 2009 07:48 Sentenal wrote:
On May 12 2009 20:47 Jaeden wrote:
Also something else bothers me. Why on earth some of the people count JDs loses in a series against him. It's like saying: jeee, JD lost 2 games against fantasy (in the osl finals), while player X is with a 4-0 record.
I know that wining 2-1 isn`t the same thing as winin` 2-0, but it's still a win, so it shouldn`t count as a minus to the winner.

I don't think people are counting Jaedong dropping two games to Fantasy in a series against him, since 3-2 is 3-2 no matter how you look at it. But Fantasy winning 2 games in a series against Jaedong is definitely a plus to him.

QFT.

Jaeden you're just being biased although given your name/sig/country that is not surprising.


Did you seriously just say his bias comes from his country? How xenophobic can you fucking be dude.

Shouldn't your country say "Romania" too?
"Apparently, Sentenal is a paragon of friendship and tolerance. " - Ech0ne
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
May 13 2009 06:54 GMT
#424
No, I just happen to not be an enormous asshole.
Remember Violet.
400lb White Girl
Profile Joined April 2009
United States83 Posts
May 13 2009 08:51 GMT
#425
you sure you're not from romania?
Jaeden
Profile Joined September 2008
Romania1489 Posts
May 13 2009 09:45 GMT
#426
Fantacist, fu, u didnt seem so ...off() on my first impression
anyway, my example was a little off, I didnt want to make it seem like I complain for the final against fantasy, I've exagerated, but anyways, the thing is that JDs match against Movie counts against him, coz he only won 2-1. That's stupid imho.
also Movie is no Zergbong, thanks.
ohh and ALSO for the ones who understand only what they want(yeah you!), I wont mind Bisu beein` #1 (I dont agree with Fantasy #1), coz he played better than JD this month.
Boxer: " Lee Jae Dong is the best player. He`s all about the micro; he`s the player which has the most amazing control"
Jaeden
Profile Joined September 2008
Romania1489 Posts
May 13 2009 09:49 GMT
#427
Fantacist, u should know this, coz we had a little discussion a few months ago. I`m trying to not be biased, but, I am.
And another thing, how can u make the analogy with my name? Everyone calls me Jaeden, that's my nickname, it has nothing to do with Jaedong.

oh and, I dont mind the Romanian jokes, coz those are stupid, and veeeeeeery outdated anyways
Boxer: " Lee Jae Dong is the best player. He`s all about the micro; he`s the player which has the most amazing control"
Geo.Rion
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
7377 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-05-13 11:18:45
May 13 2009 11:00 GMT
#428
On May 13 2009 11:59 Avidkeystamper wrote:
Erm, that's just a joke around here that people from Romania are a little...off (dumb).

Actually you are way off. The term "romanian" is used here on TL when someone does not get the sarcasm in a post, and takes its first meaning, but it's a joke...

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=81085
2. point

"Protoss is a joke" Liquid`Jinro Okt.1. 2011
fanatacist
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
10319 Posts
May 13 2009 12:06 GMT
#429
On May 13 2009 11:46 Avidkeystamper wrote:
Obviously, if you watched the games it should be obvious.
@ Fanta, you're right, but you don't have to call out every instance of bias, especially only against Jaedong supporters.

In my opinion, it seemed to be aiming to argue the current topic underhandedly; it appeared to me that he was saying something along the lines of "everyone is picking on Jaedong for his losses to Fantasy, but Jaedong won the series" which really means "Jaedong is better than Fantasy just no one realizes it" which means "JAEDONG NUMBA 1". If my initial premise (that he was arguing the current topic) is incorrect, then it was just a post unrelated to the current discussion that was clearly put to promote a certain player, and when the bias is so strong in doing so, I called it out.

I have nothing against Jaedong or his fans, I think he is a fucking A+ gamer and is at least on par with Bisu if not greater in terms of skill. If his PL record was slightly better than Bisu's, I would be all for having him #1. But right now Bisu is on a killing spree, whereas neither Fantasy or Jaedong are. Power is a measure of how good the player is - good players don't drop games except the occasional cheese (Bisu). This means that losing 2 games due to poor MnM usage (Fantasy) does not apply to being #1. And although pointing out that the 2 losses against Fantasy are being overrated (Jaedong), it does not address the other issue - why his PL stats are not as impressive as Bisu's.

On May 13 2009 11:51 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 13 2009 10:03 fanatacist wrote:
On May 13 2009 07:48 Sentenal wrote:
On May 12 2009 20:47 Jaeden wrote:
Also something else bothers me. Why on earth some of the people count JDs loses in a series against him. It's like saying: jeee, JD lost 2 games against fantasy (in the osl finals), while player X is with a 4-0 record.
I know that wining 2-1 isn`t the same thing as winin` 2-0, but it's still a win, so it shouldn`t count as a minus to the winner.

I don't think people are counting Jaedong dropping two games to Fantasy in a series against him, since 3-2 is 3-2 no matter how you look at it. But Fantasy winning 2 games in a series against Jaedong is definitely a plus to him.

QFT.

Jaeden you're just being biased although given your name/sig/country that is not surprising.


Did you seriously just say his bias comes from his country? How xenophobic can you fucking be dude.

On May 13 2009 12:19 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Ah, yes, overgeneralized racist jokes. How not xenophobic.


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On May 13 2009 18:45 Jaeden wrote:
Fantacist, fu, u didnt seem so ...off() on my first impression
anyway, my example was a little off, I didnt want to make it seem like I complain for the final against fantasy, I've exagerated, but anyways, the thing is that JDs match against Movie counts against him, coz he only won 2-1. That's stupid imho.
also Movie is no Zergbong, thanks.
ohh and ALSO for the ones who understand only what they want(yeah you!), I wont mind Bisu beein` #1 (I dont agree with Fantasy #1), coz he played better than JD this month.

What I bolded is exactly what I was talking about.

I understand your sentiments but the fact is Jaedong should not be dropping even 1 game to players like Movie is he is S-class. Especially in a series, where players like Jaedong/Bisu/Fantasy are considered to be at their strongest. It also makes his record not as impressive as Bisu's. Not saying Movie is Zergbong; Movie is a pretty good player, but he's not near the level of Bisu either, which should be Jaedong's only competent P opponent at the moment (as evidenced by their series a few months ago).

I don't understand only what I want, I understand only what you said, which was "JAEDONG WON THE SERIES, DON'T YOU DARE FORGET!" You said nothing of the latter part of your post (Bisu #1).

On May 13 2009 18:49 Jaeden wrote:
Fantacist, u should know this, coz we had a little discussion a few months ago. I`m trying to not be biased, but, I am.
And another thing, how can u make the analogy with my name? Everyone calls me Jaeden, that's my nickname, it has nothing to do with Jaedong.

oh and, I dont mind the Romanian jokes, coz those are stupid, and veeeeeeery outdated anyways


Look at the posts around yours and see if yours was in the right place at the right time, addressing the issue EVERYONE was talking about. When you bring it up seemingly out of the blue, and make it ambiguous (since you said you really meant that losing against Movie should not be held against him, that you were against Fantasy #1, and that Bisu played better than Jaedong this month), it makes it glare out as flaming bias.

Ah, well that's my bad, it seemed to be too much of a coincidence to be unrelated.
Peace~
Geo.Rion
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
7377 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-05-13 12:16:43
May 13 2009 12:14 GMT
#430

Jaedong almost always loses his first game in a series. This did not prevent him to take and hold the nr.1 rank so far, so you sohuld get over it. Jd is known for doing this, check his bo3 and bo5 series.
"Protoss is a joke" Liquid`Jinro Okt.1. 2011
fanatacist
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
10319 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-05-13 12:18:59
May 13 2009 12:18 GMT
#431
On May 13 2009 21:14 Geo.Rion wrote:

Jaedong almost always loses his first game in a series. This did not prevent him to take and hold the nr.1 rank so far, so you sohuld get over it. Jd is known for doing this, check his bo3 and bo5 series.

Yea, but there is a difference between doing that with Fantasy or Bisu and doing that with Movie. It's irrelevant if that's how Jaedong does it every time if he does it when he faces no-name scrubs, players worse than him that are still good, AND other S-class gamers.

Are you trying to argue that he loses the first game on purpose? That would be the only excuse for his loss. However, I doubt Jaedong is that stupid.
Peace~
Geo.Rion
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
7377 Posts
May 13 2009 12:30 GMT
#432
On May 13 2009 21:18 fanatacist wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 13 2009 21:14 Geo.Rion wrote:

Jaedong almost always loses his first game in a series. This did not prevent him to take and hold the nr.1 rank so far, so you sohuld get over it. Jd is known for doing this, check his bo3 and bo5 series.

Yea, but there is a difference between doing that with Fantasy or Bisu and doing that with Movie. It's irrelevant if that's how Jaedong does it every time if he does it when he faces no-name scrubs, players worse than him that are still good, AND other S-class gamers.

Are you trying to argue that he loses the first game on purpose? That would be the only excuse for his loss. However, I doubt Jaedong is that stupid.


he's not doing it on purpose. It's just a habit or sg , there were some intreviwes where they asked him why does this happen. Try to find them, i dont have the whole day .
"Protoss is a joke" Liquid`Jinro Okt.1. 2011
d(O.o)a
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada5066 Posts
May 13 2009 15:02 GMT
#433
On May 13 2009 11:51 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 13 2009 10:03 fanatacist wrote:
On May 13 2009 07:48 Sentenal wrote:
On May 12 2009 20:47 Jaeden wrote:
Also something else bothers me. Why on earth some of the people count JDs loses in a series against him. It's like saying: jeee, JD lost 2 games against fantasy (in the osl finals), while player X is with a 4-0 record.
I know that wining 2-1 isn`t the same thing as winin` 2-0, but it's still a win, so it shouldn`t count as a minus to the winner.

I don't think people are counting Jaedong dropping two games to Fantasy in a series against him, since 3-2 is 3-2 no matter how you look at it. But Fantasy winning 2 games in a series against Jaedong is definitely a plus to him.

QFT.

Jaeden you're just being biased although given your name/sig/country that is not surprising.


Did you seriously just say his bias comes from his country? How xenophobic can you fucking be dude.


Teamliquid meme.
Hi.
Musoeun
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States4324 Posts
May 13 2009 16:04 GMT
#434
On May 13 2009 11:33 AzureEye wrote:
Bisu's been 8-1 since his last OSL loss. That 1 loss is cheese. How does Fantasy deserve a #1 spot over Bisu when Fantasy has been 6-2 since OSL finals? Bisu's games have been 1 sided lately as well (i.e. Bisu vs Calm)


I don't think that a proxy hatch contain halfway through a game counts as cheese, and Bisu didn't respond to it half as well as free did.

I'm not debating your main point (Bisu owns joo), but you can't just dismiss the loss. To be clear, great beats Bisu with a 5-pool? Cheese. great beats Bisu by building map control and sunken-containing? Not cheese.

Plus, regardless of the methods employed, Bisu still lost. Results matter.

Alternatively, we have to discount Bisu's win over Leta, which was truly cheesy. But that would be silly.
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Jaeden
Profile Joined September 2008
Romania1489 Posts
May 13 2009 17:47 GMT
#435
The thing is, if Jd wins a tournament, that is important, not the fact that he 3-2/2-1 every opponent he faced and not beat them 3-0. If Movie would've advance in that series, then yeah, it would've been a CLEAR minus to JD, but since he didn`t, it's perfectly fine.
Boxer: " Lee Jae Dong is the best player. He`s all about the micro; he`s the player which has the most amazing control"
fusionsdf
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada15390 Posts
May 13 2009 18:30 GMT
#436
On May 13 2009 21:18 fanatacist wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 13 2009 21:14 Geo.Rion wrote:

Jaedong almost always loses his first game in a series. This did not prevent him to take and hold the nr.1 rank so far, so you sohuld get over it. Jd is known for doing this, check his bo3 and bo5 series.

Yea, but there is a difference between doing that with Fantasy or Bisu and doing that with Movie. It's irrelevant if that's how Jaedong does it every time if he does it when he faces no-name scrubs, players worse than him that are still good, AND other S-class gamers.

Are you trying to argue that he loses the first game on purpose? That would be the only excuse for his loss. However, I doubt Jaedong is that stupid.


He has to warm up. Plus movie isnt that bad a player
SKT_Best: "I actually chose Protoss because it was so hard for me to defeat Protoss as a Terran. When I first started Brood War, my main race was Terran."
Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12398 Posts
May 13 2009 18:33 GMT
#437
There is a significant difference between winning a series 3-0, and winning a series 3-2.

For example:
Flash beat Stork 3-0 in Bacchus 08. The TL News post for that series was "Prison Rape". There was no question about the utter domination Flash had at that time. It wasn't a particularly good series, but no one could deny Flash after that. 3-0 implies dominance.

If we look at either of the past two OSL Finals, both have been 3-2. 3-2 series are much more entertaining to watch as a viewer, but it shows the series was relatively close, with even the losing player coming extremely close to winning. It implies that the two players are at least close in skill level.

Winning 3-0 or even 2-0 should show dominance. Winning 3-2 or 2-1 shows a relatively close series.
"Apparently, Sentenal is a paragon of friendship and tolerance. " - Ech0ne
Jaeden
Profile Joined September 2008
Romania1489 Posts
May 13 2009 18:50 GMT
#438
yeah but why does that count as a minus to bisu..who doesnt even play in gsl, I mean, it's better to win even though 2-1, than to no play at all, right? (don`t get me wrong, bisu had a better month I`m not arguing with that)
Boxer: " Lee Jae Dong is the best player. He`s all about the micro; he`s the player which has the most amazing control"
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
May 13 2009 19:19 GMT
#439
what exactly are you arguing again?

Jaedong had other losses in proleague that showed some little hitches in his flawless play from last month that make talking about whether he should stay on top a worthwhile debate.
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Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12398 Posts
May 13 2009 19:38 GMT
#440
On May 14 2009 03:50 Jaeden wrote:
yeah but why does that count as a minus to bisu..who doesnt even play in gsl, I mean, it's better to win even though 2-1, than to no play at all, right? (don`t get me wrong, bisu had a better month I`m not arguing with that)

What? What sort of argument is that...? No one faults Bisu for not being in GOM s3, that was his team's decision, not his.

If someone didn't play in something, they didn't play in something. I guess I can fault Jaedong for not playing in SKT1 vs STX... No wait, that's retarded. Players should be judged based on the games they played, and the results produced by those games.
"Apparently, Sentenal is a paragon of friendship and tolerance. " - Ech0ne
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