Astrology! Just a few points about it - Page 6
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Lucktar
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PanN
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On January 03 2009 09:36 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Here is some information about my sign: Likes: Talking (true) Novelty and the unusual (true, but who doesn't?) Variety in life (untrue, I fear change) Multiple projects all going at once (Untrue, I'm easily overwhelmed) Reading (True) Dislikes: Feeling tied down (True) Learning, such as school (Untrue, this is one of my favorite things) Being in a rut (Everyone dislikes this?) Mental inaction (True) Being alone (Untrue) Adaptable and versatile (Untrue) Communicative and witty (Somewhat true) Intellectual and eloquent (I think so) Youthful and lively (Untrue) Nervous and tense (True) Superficial and inconsistent (untrue) Cunning and inquisitive (True) Everything on this page is about 50/50, so I'm not convinced. Then again, I am looking for failure, whereas you are looking for success. Perhaps we are both victims of confirmation bias? Read the rest of them, and watch how they apply as well. It's cold reading, its all lies. | ||
DoctorHelvetica
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On January 03 2009 09:39 PanN wrote: Read the rest of them, and watch how they apply as well. It's cold reading, its all lies. I think the idea was that if they attribute enough traits to you, you'll ignore the ones that aren't true and praise the ones that are. "I'm not really Youthful and Lively, but DAMN AM I NERVOUS AND TENSE" etc. | ||
PanN
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On January 03 2009 09:41 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I think the idea was that if they attribute enough traits to you, you'll ignore the ones that aren't true and praise the ones that are. "I'm not really Youthful and Lively, but DAMN AM I NERVOUS AND TENSE" etc. Yes, that is the idea of cold reading. Throw enough GENERAL shit in, and people will agree. I like how OP gives a link to proof, and explains the qualities that match as proof. But then the derren brown video is all lies., even though its the EXACT same shit. What an asshole. | ||
HamerD
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The explanations lie in the fact that, I bet, if you were to have a chart for your week of birth, or day of birth, or hour of birth, each one would have less objections from you. The other thing might be that you don't understand the opposite, and therefore don't see where you do fit into that description. You also put that you like novelty but dislike variety (and btw variety doesn't directly mean change and also fears usually are more to do with conditioning than astrology) But if you are looking at 50/50, well I can't give you anything more. How about you check out your family's? Tell me how that comes out. | ||
DoctorHelvetica
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On January 03 2009 09:43 PanN wrote: Yes, that is the idea of cold reading. Throw enough GENERAL shit in, and people will agree. I like how OP gives a link to proof, and explains the qualities that match as proof. But then the derren brown video is all lies., even though its the EXACT same shit. What an asshole. A difference in logical understanding doesn't make him an asshole, chill the fuck out. No one is going to take your argument seriously if you pepper it with ad hominem. | ||
DoctorHelvetica
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On January 03 2009 09:44 HamerD wrote: What is that sagittarius or gemini? Well, I could understand where you are coming from but for me every single description is true and the same goes for my brother, mother and father (which like literally about 4 adjectives in total being out of place). The explanations lie in the fact that, I bet, if you were to have a chart for your week of birth, or day of birth, or hour of birth, each one would have less objections from you. The other thing might be that you don't understand the opposite, and therefore don't see where you do fit into that description. You also put that you like novelty but dislike variety (and btw variety doesn't directly mean change and also fears usually are more to do with conditioning than astrology) But if you are looking at 50/50, well I can't give you anything more. How about you check out your family's? Tell me how that comes out. By dislike of variety, I mean I am perfectly content with routine. I'll do my best mate. | ||
HamerD
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On January 03 2009 09:38 Lucktar wrote: The thing is, it's a self-fulfilling prophecy. If you can explain away data that doesn't fit your model by stating "you don't know yourself' or 'you are repressed,' of course it's going to seem plausible. If your belief system allows you to dismiss anything that challenges those beliefs, then it's unassailable, but hardly rational. Look it's hard to argue this with people. There's no real point IN arguing. Either you can see that astrology makes sense to your personality and relations or it's just a bunch of gobble de gook. Like I say there's like a maximum of 10% incorrect about all the sun signs of my family...either that's me being insanely, irrationally whimsical and fantastical, or correct. As far as I am concerned, the latter is proven by the fact that it's useful in dealing with relationships and myself! | ||
PanN
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On January 03 2009 09:45 DoctorHelvetica wrote: A difference in logical understanding doesn't make him an asshole, chill the fuck out. No one is going to take your argument seriously if you pepper it with ad hominem. A difference in logical understanding? The guys ignoring FACTS, thats not a difference, thats grasping at straws to the extreme. I laugh at the fact that you think I care if anyone would take my argument seriously as well, take a look at penn and tellers episode bit on astrology, I'm positive they didn't cuss at all! How I argue has no effect on whether I'm right or wrong, if it does, you're an asshole that would rather be offended at the fact someone cursed, than the fact I was correct. | ||
DoctorHelvetica
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Patient and reliable (Impatient and flaky) Warmhearted and loving (Yeah, he's a nice guy) Persistent and determined (Very true) Placid and security loving (Somewhat) Jealous and possessive (Not in the least bit) Resentful and inflexible (Very flexible, and never holds grudges) Self-indulgent and greedy (very selfless person) * LIKES * Stability (yeah) * Being Attracted (Common like, but sure.) * Things Natural (Doesn't like nature, loves technology, etc.) * Time to Ponder (No he hates free time) * Comfort and Pleasure (everyone does?) * DISLIKES * Disruption (Doesn't seem to care) * Being pushed too hard (likes this, actually) * Synthetic or "man made" things (Likes this better than "natural things") * Being rushed (Likes this) * Being indoors (Prefers this) | ||
HamerD
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DoctorHelvetica
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On January 03 2009 09:58 HamerD wrote: Well there are a few things that could be the matter there. I'm not really going to go into it! If you're satisfied that it's hocus pocus, then so be it. But, did he do that or you? And what is his birthday? I did. He's the only person I know very well besides myself. May 2nd. | ||
PanN
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On January 03 2009 09:50 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I'm a gemini btw, and my mate is a Taurus. Now his is pretty off. Patient and reliable (Impatient and flaky) Warmhearted and loving (Yeah, he's a nice guy) Persistent and determined (Very true) Placid and security loving (Somewhat) Jealous and possessive (Not in the least bit) Resentful and inflexible (Very flexible, and never holds grudges) Self-indulgent and greedy (very selfless person) * LIKES * Stability (yeah) * Being Attracted (Common like, but sure.) * Things Natural (Doesn't like nature, loves technology, etc.) * Time to Ponder (No he hates free time) * Comfort and Pleasure (everyone does?) * DISLIKES * Disruption (Doesn't seem to care) * Being pushed too hard (likes this, actually) * Synthetic or "man made" things (Likes this better than "natural things") * Being rushed (Likes this) * Being indoors (Prefers this) Looking at my roomate, gf, mother, father, brother, they are all beyond wrong except for the parts that are vague and can be generally applied to nearly everyone. Looks like my original hypothesis was correct, thanks OP. | ||
HamerD
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On January 03 2009 09:59 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I did. He's the only person I know very well besides myself. May 2nd. Well I'm not going to argue that you don't know your best friend but try your parents. Everything does seem to be coming up cold for you, which is unusual as far as I am concerned and my family, but there you go. | ||
DoctorHelvetica
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On January 03 2009 10:03 HamerD wrote: Well I'm not going to argue that you don't know your best friend but try your parents. Everything does seem to be coming up cold for you, which is unusual as far as I am concerned and my family, but there you go. I don't know my parents personalities or their birthdays really. | ||
HamerD
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On January 03 2009 10:00 PanN wrote: Looks like my original hypothesis was correct I think you were planning on that statement since you started posting. | ||
HamerD
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On January 03 2009 10:03 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I don't know my parents personalities or their birthdays really. What?! Are you Asian? Well I'm stumped. I ain't got no clever answers to that, I guess you have license to disbelieve astrology now. At least you got something out of it. Still works for me though. | ||
PanN
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On January 03 2009 10:04 HamerD wrote: I think you were planning on that statement since you started posting. And I think you're grasping at straws because you're afraid that astrology is all lies. I took the time to look at your shitty webpage (unlike you with the video that you watched only TEN seconds of, good job asshole). My gf, roomate, brother, are all laughing at you simultaneously, my mother and father aren't here, but I can guarantee that their personalities don't match that shit. It took you six pages to provide proof, and it failed miserably. Astrology, is, fake. | ||
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Lucktar
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On January 03 2009 09:48 HamerD wrote: Look it's hard to argue this with people. There's no real point IN arguing. Either you can see that astrology makes sense to your personality and relations or it's just a bunch of gobble de gook. Like I say there's like a maximum of 10% incorrect about all the sun signs of my family...either that's me being insanely, irrationally whimsical and fantastical, or correct. As far as I am concerned, the latter is proven by the fact that it's useful in dealing with relationships and myself! You should read some probability theory. The fact that your family fits their sun signs is more or less irrelevant. If you have a set of non-contradictory conditions, some one will meet them all. The question is whether the proportion of people who meet these conditions is larger than the proportion who don't, and whether the distance is statistically significant. All studies that have examined these theories have concluded that there is no significant correlation whatsoever. Believe in astrology if you want to, but please don't pretend that it's rational, because it isn't. | ||
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