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Northern Ireland22602 Posts
On November 06 2024 14:21 KT_Elwood wrote:
Lol the russian anti-imperialist propaganda from the 1960ties might have cost the dems Michigan by convincing the "gaza supporters" from tiktok to not vote for Harris and now there are some tens of thousands of slashed off biden's result.
Can they mount a Moab to AF1? Netanjahu and Trump may want to hold hands when they drop it on gaza in spring :/
Hey look my prediction returns (sort of)
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Canada11161 Posts
On November 06 2024 14:21 Zambrah wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2024 14:17 Falling wrote:On November 06 2024 14:02 Zambrah wrote:On November 06 2024 13:59 Falling wrote:
Trump strong on economics policy is one I don't get. Trump's tariff everyone will do nothing but raise prices for the average America. It screwed soybean farmers last go around and so like a good fiscal conservative, Trump subsidized them to the tune of $28B. The crazy inflation was directly related to Covid, US has been better than pretty much anyone else in the world, and has dropped inflation down to 2%. It'll take awhile for wages to catch up, but it's back on track.
Like, in 2008 Harper suddenly started posting deficits but I never saw Harper as responsible for the Great Recession whereas Trump (and for that matter Trudeau) managed to post deficits in economic good times. I dunno man, the cost of housing around my area has about doubled in less than ten years, I do not see my wages outpacing that any time soon That's true everywhere, including in my own area. But I don't know what it's like in the US, but in Canada it is a national problem that can only be solved at the local level. It's all about housing supply which is controlled at the zoning level at the municipal level of government. But it can't just be done in one city. It has to be in every city, hence the problem. But point is it's not something that is really controlled at the federal level. Well, in Canada there was a compounding factor that low housing supply had increased strain with increased demand by bringing in one million immigrants per year (total population 40M). So that's the one thing at the federal level that didn't cause the issue, but compounded an already baked in problem. You're asking for a lot of nuanced understanding for a typical American voter. A typical American voter is going to see their expenses leap up and their quality of life go down and simply feel that whoever is in charge at the time done fucked up.
I mean you are not wrong in that they've found there is a 5% difference in voting for whichever name shows up on the top of the ballot. (Hence a lot of ballots swap the order to account for this.) But point being, I don't see that blaming housing prices on the federal government is a good argument.
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On November 06 2024 14:08 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2024 13:59 WombaT wrote:On November 06 2024 13:54 KwarK wrote:On November 06 2024 13:48 GreenHorizons wrote:On November 06 2024 13:45 KwarK wrote:On November 06 2024 13:38 Vindicare605 wrote:On November 06 2024 13:36 Amui wrote:On November 06 2024 13:26 PhoenixVoid wrote:
This is about as close to a landslide Trump could get, and a catastrophe for Democrats. Trump's outpacing most of his past performances, gaining heavily with minorities, and cutting notably into blue states that may even flip or be perilously close to going red.
Trump's going to likely have a trifecta and a SCOTUS going his way. This is the potential to utterly redefine and reshape America once more. Yep. My takeaway from what I saw in Flash's stream, rural America really turned out to make sure a minority female candidate would never become president. If Walz had been the main ticket, quite frankly I think Dem's take it. Harris got a similar turnout at best in urban areas compared to Biden, and lost by a buttload in rural areas. Walz probably gets a similar turnout to Harris in urban areas, and doesn't energize the red rural areas in the same way. If Dems want any shot in future elections, they need to run some eloquent charismatic middle-age+ white guy. Not someone who will automatically lose several % of the popular vote by default. Or... and here's an idea. Run someone who actually has to win an election to win the fucking nomination. The Democrats took the choice of candidate out of the hands of the voters and voters responded. Gee I wonder when else that happened, oh yea it also happened in 2016. Wonder how many times they'll need to be punished for doing that before they actually learn their lesson. + Show Spoiler +Hillary won the nomination hard in 2016, she was extremely well connected, qualified, and had an awful lot of support within the party. The problem is that Democrats sit around smelling their own farts. They circle jerk about this vision of an aspirational America built on opportunity, equality, a glorious melting pot. They're completely out of touch with just how awful the average American is. They need to get out there, speak to the average voter, and lower their fucking expectations. They need to talk more about the upsides of police brutality and how LGBT people have a mental illness if they want to win. They need to proclaim the virtues of traitor Confederate generals and when they suggest that we're shipping too many precision weapons to Israel it better fucking be the precision part they're objecting to. Kwark is being emotional right now, but this there is some Dem adviser screaming this at important people right now and those important people are seriously considering taking this sort of approach. The other lesson of Trump is that you don’t actually have to do any of the shit you say you will. Just get elected on promising to repeal democracy, call out the lying press every few days, insult Ted Cruz’s ugly wife, and quietly govern with competence and moderation. You’re allowed to just lie to the voters about what you’ll do. If anything they seem to prefer that. Trump is the political equivalent of ‘just play like Maru’ back in the day If one isn’t Maru, it’s not happening. Trump is able to behave in ways nobody in his own party can even emulate and get away with, much less the other lot There are 300m Americans. They can surely find another old, out of touch, born with a silver spoon, racist, sexist, philandering, corrupt, felonious white man with close ties to Jeffrey Epstein and a long history of crimes against women.
What's it say about the Democrats that they've managed to lose this dirt bag twice Kwark? You're so quick to throw names at all the people you don't like when I've never once heard you talk about how the Democrats keep doing things wrong and that's why they lose.
Being the "better option" doesn't mean a fucking thing if you can't get your message across to the people you need to reach, either by bringing them to the polls in the numbers you need or by convincing enough people in the middle that you in fact ARE the better option.
The Democrats have failed so miserably at this that they're going to lose to Donald Trump twice. If all they ever do is keep pointing blame at the other side and never do any kind of fixing of their own house, they'll always only ever be the "lesser of two evils" party that people don't actually want to vote for.
I know for damn sure I don't vote for Democrats because I want to, I vote for them because I don't feel like I have any other choice in the matter. I don't blame people for being apathetic about the entire process or only voting in their own selfish interests when the only "good option" is so lukewarm at best.
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On November 06 2024 14:25 Falling wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2024 14:21 Zambrah wrote:On November 06 2024 14:17 Falling wrote:On November 06 2024 14:02 Zambrah wrote:On November 06 2024 13:59 Falling wrote:
Trump strong on economics policy is one I don't get. Trump's tariff everyone will do nothing but raise prices for the average America. It screwed soybean farmers last go around and so like a good fiscal conservative, Trump subsidized them to the tune of $28B. The crazy inflation was directly related to Covid, US has been better than pretty much anyone else in the world, and has dropped inflation down to 2%. It'll take awhile for wages to catch up, but it's back on track.
Like, in 2008 Harper suddenly started posting deficits but I never saw Harper as responsible for the Great Recession whereas Trump (and for that matter Trudeau) managed to post deficits in economic good times. I dunno man, the cost of housing around my area has about doubled in less than ten years, I do not see my wages outpacing that any time soon That's true everywhere, including in my own area. But I don't know what it's like in the US, but in Canada it is a national problem that can only be solved at the local level. It's all about housing supply which is controlled at the zoning level at the municipal level of government. But it can't just be done in one city. It has to be in every city, hence the problem. But point is it's not something that is really controlled at the federal level. Well, in Canada there was a compounding factor that low housing supply had increased strain with increased demand by bringing in one million immigrants per year (total population 40M). So that's the one thing at the federal level that didn't cause the issue, but compounded an already baked in problem. You're asking for a lot of nuanced understanding for a typical American voter. A typical American voter is going to see their expenses leap up and their quality of life go down and simply feel that whoever is in charge at the time done fucked up. I mean you are not wrong in that they've found there is a 5% difference in voting for whichever name shows up on the top of the ballot. But point being, I don't see that blaming housing prices on the federal government is a good argument.
I'm not saying blaming it on the federal government is a good argument, Im blaming it on NIMBYs and greedy landlord fucks with price fixing software, and for extra credit the way companies are fighting work from home policies, but the average American isn't interested in thought deeper than "things cost more, unh, guy in charge directly do it, ungh!"
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Northern Ireland22602 Posts
On November 06 2024 14:22 Zambrah wrote:
That would unironically be kind of a giga chad move
The ultimate chad move would to go full senility and refuse to hand over power
I mean I’m not actually advocating for a Biden coup, the thought does amuse me
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United States41420 Posts
On November 06 2024 14:27 Vindicare605 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2024 14:08 KwarK wrote:On November 06 2024 13:59 WombaT wrote:On November 06 2024 13:54 KwarK wrote:On November 06 2024 13:48 GreenHorizons wrote:On November 06 2024 13:45 KwarK wrote:On November 06 2024 13:38 Vindicare605 wrote:On November 06 2024 13:36 Amui wrote:On November 06 2024 13:26 PhoenixVoid wrote:
This is about as close to a landslide Trump could get, and a catastrophe for Democrats. Trump's outpacing most of his past performances, gaining heavily with minorities, and cutting notably into blue states that may even flip or be perilously close to going red.
Trump's going to likely have a trifecta and a SCOTUS going his way. This is the potential to utterly redefine and reshape America once more. Yep. My takeaway from what I saw in Flash's stream, rural America really turned out to make sure a minority female candidate would never become president. If Walz had been the main ticket, quite frankly I think Dem's take it. Harris got a similar turnout at best in urban areas compared to Biden, and lost by a buttload in rural areas. Walz probably gets a similar turnout to Harris in urban areas, and doesn't energize the red rural areas in the same way. If Dems want any shot in future elections, they need to run some eloquent charismatic middle-age+ white guy. Not someone who will automatically lose several % of the popular vote by default. Or... and here's an idea. Run someone who actually has to win an election to win the fucking nomination. The Democrats took the choice of candidate out of the hands of the voters and voters responded. Gee I wonder when else that happened, oh yea it also happened in 2016. Wonder how many times they'll need to be punished for doing that before they actually learn their lesson. + Show Spoiler +Hillary won the nomination hard in 2016, she was extremely well connected, qualified, and had an awful lot of support within the party. The problem is that Democrats sit around smelling their own farts. They circle jerk about this vision of an aspirational America built on opportunity, equality, a glorious melting pot. They're completely out of touch with just how awful the average American is. They need to get out there, speak to the average voter, and lower their fucking expectations. They need to talk more about the upsides of police brutality and how LGBT people have a mental illness if they want to win. They need to proclaim the virtues of traitor Confederate generals and when they suggest that we're shipping too many precision weapons to Israel it better fucking be the precision part they're objecting to. Kwark is being emotional right now, but this there is some Dem adviser screaming this at important people right now and those important people are seriously considering taking this sort of approach. The other lesson of Trump is that you don’t actually have to do any of the shit you say you will. Just get elected on promising to repeal democracy, call out the lying press every few days, insult Ted Cruz’s ugly wife, and quietly govern with competence and moderation. You’re allowed to just lie to the voters about what you’ll do. If anything they seem to prefer that. Trump is the political equivalent of ‘just play like Maru’ back in the day If one isn’t Maru, it’s not happening. Trump is able to behave in ways nobody in his own party can even emulate and get away with, much less the other lot There are 300m Americans. They can surely find another old, out of touch, born with a silver spoon, racist, sexist, philandering, corrupt, felonious white man with close ties to Jeffrey Epstein and a long history of crimes against women. What's it say about the Democrats that they've managed to lose this dirt bag twice Kwark? You're so quick to throw names at all the people you don't like when I've never once heard you talk about how the Democrats keep doing things wrong and that's why they lose. Being the "better option" doesn't mean a fucking thing if you can't get your message across to the people you need to reach, either by bringing them to the polls in the numbers you need or by convincing enough people in the middle that you in fact ARE the better option. The Democrats have failed so miserably at this that they're going to lose to Donald Trump twice. If all they ever do is keep pointing blame at the other side and never do any kind of fixing of their own house, they'll always only ever be the "lesser of two evils" party that people don't actually want to vote for. I know for damn sure I don't vote for Democrats because I want to, I vote for them because I don't feel like I have any other choice in the matter. I don't blame people for being apathetic about the entire process or only voting in their own selfish interests when the only "good option" is so lukewarm at best.
I shit on the democrats plenty bud. You just haven’t been reading those posts.
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Northern Ireland22602 Posts
On November 06 2024 14:25 Falling wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2024 14:21 Zambrah wrote:On November 06 2024 14:17 Falling wrote:On November 06 2024 14:02 Zambrah wrote:On November 06 2024 13:59 Falling wrote:
Trump strong on economics policy is one I don't get. Trump's tariff everyone will do nothing but raise prices for the average America. It screwed soybean farmers last go around and so like a good fiscal conservative, Trump subsidized them to the tune of $28B. The crazy inflation was directly related to Covid, US has been better than pretty much anyone else in the world, and has dropped inflation down to 2%. It'll take awhile for wages to catch up, but it's back on track.
Like, in 2008 Harper suddenly started posting deficits but I never saw Harper as responsible for the Great Recession whereas Trump (and for that matter Trudeau) managed to post deficits in economic good times. I dunno man, the cost of housing around my area has about doubled in less than ten years, I do not see my wages outpacing that any time soon That's true everywhere, including in my own area. But I don't know what it's like in the US, but in Canada it is a national problem that can only be solved at the local level. It's all about housing supply which is controlled at the zoning level at the municipal level of government. But it can't just be done in one city. It has to be in every city, hence the problem. But point is it's not something that is really controlled at the federal level. Well, in Canada there was a compounding factor that low housing supply had increased strain with increased demand by bringing in one million immigrants per year (total population 40M). So that's the one thing at the federal level that didn't cause the issue, but compounded an already baked in problem. You're asking for a lot of nuanced understanding for a typical American voter. A typical American voter is going to see their expenses leap up and their quality of life go down and simply feel that whoever is in charge at the time done fucked up. I mean you are not wrong in that they've found there is a 5% difference in voting for whichever name shows up on the top of the ballot. (Hence a lot of ballots swap the order to account for this.) But point being, I don't see that blaming housing prices on the federal government is a good argument.
5%? You’re fucking me right? I’ve heard that phenomenon was a thing but to that degree?
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Canada11161 Posts
On November 06 2024 14:31 WombaT wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2024 14:25 Falling wrote:On November 06 2024 14:21 Zambrah wrote:On November 06 2024 14:17 Falling wrote:On November 06 2024 14:02 Zambrah wrote:On November 06 2024 13:59 Falling wrote:
Trump strong on economics policy is one I don't get. Trump's tariff everyone will do nothing but raise prices for the average America. It screwed soybean farmers last go around and so like a good fiscal conservative, Trump subsidized them to the tune of $28B. The crazy inflation was directly related to Covid, US has been better than pretty much anyone else in the world, and has dropped inflation down to 2%. It'll take awhile for wages to catch up, but it's back on track.
Like, in 2008 Harper suddenly started posting deficits but I never saw Harper as responsible for the Great Recession whereas Trump (and for that matter Trudeau) managed to post deficits in economic good times. I dunno man, the cost of housing around my area has about doubled in less than ten years, I do not see my wages outpacing that any time soon That's true everywhere, including in my own area. But I don't know what it's like in the US, but in Canada it is a national problem that can only be solved at the local level. It's all about housing supply which is controlled at the zoning level at the municipal level of government. But it can't just be done in one city. It has to be in every city, hence the problem. But point is it's not something that is really controlled at the federal level. Well, in Canada there was a compounding factor that low housing supply had increased strain with increased demand by bringing in one million immigrants per year (total population 40M). So that's the one thing at the federal level that didn't cause the issue, but compounded an already baked in problem. You're asking for a lot of nuanced understanding for a typical American voter. A typical American voter is going to see their expenses leap up and their quality of life go down and simply feel that whoever is in charge at the time done fucked up. I mean you are not wrong in that they've found there is a 5% difference in voting for whichever name shows up on the top of the ballot. (Hence a lot of ballots swap the order to account for this.) But point being, I don't see that blaming housing prices on the federal government is a good argument. 5%? You’re fucking me right? I’ve heard that phenomenon was a thing but to that degree?
Well, I got that from Hank Green, so I haven't fact checked it. I would very much like that to be wrong because it is rather depressing for it to be true.
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On November 06 2024 14:29 WombaT wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2024 14:22 Zambrah wrote:
That would unironically be kind of a giga chad move The ultimate chad move would to go full senility and refuse to hand over power I mean I’m not actually advocating for a Biden coup, the thought does amuse me
Just imagining Biden's handlers convincing him he's still president and won the election then that he just steps down on inauguration day making Harris president and the whole media goes along with it. Except Fox News that get gaslit into oblivion.
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Oof, Harris taking the night off, not attending her own rally tonight
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Belgian tv said Harris is about to speech. Or at least the lights went out in the press area because a speech was imminent.
e: now they also said she's left yeah.
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On November 06 2024 14:45 Laurens wrote:
Belgian tv said Harris is about to speech. Or at least the lights went out in the press area because a speech was imminent.
e: now they also said she's left yeah.
Looks like they just preempted PA and the race being called for Trump
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Northern Ireland22602 Posts
On November 06 2024 14:36 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2024 14:29 WombaT wrote:On November 06 2024 14:22 Zambrah wrote:
That would unironically be kind of a giga chad move The ultimate chad move would to go full senility and refuse to hand over power I mean I’m not actually advocating for a Biden coup, the thought does amuse me Just imagining Biden's handlers convincing him he's still president and won the election then that he just steps down on inauguration day making Harris president and the whole media goes along with it. Except Fox News that get gaslit into oblivion.
Haha hey I’ve heard worse plans
Hell Biden maybe totally loses it and starts to actually believe he is Donald Trump on Jan 6th
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Canada11161 Posts
Well, good news is the war in Ukraine will be solved tomorrow by the President-Elect.
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On November 06 2024 14:31 WombaT wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2024 14:25 Falling wrote:On November 06 2024 14:21 Zambrah wrote:On November 06 2024 14:17 Falling wrote:On November 06 2024 14:02 Zambrah wrote:On November 06 2024 13:59 Falling wrote:
Trump strong on economics policy is one I don't get. Trump's tariff everyone will do nothing but raise prices for the average America. It screwed soybean farmers last go around and so like a good fiscal conservative, Trump subsidized them to the tune of $28B. The crazy inflation was directly related to Covid, US has been better than pretty much anyone else in the world, and has dropped inflation down to 2%. It'll take awhile for wages to catch up, but it's back on track.
Like, in 2008 Harper suddenly started posting deficits but I never saw Harper as responsible for the Great Recession whereas Trump (and for that matter Trudeau) managed to post deficits in economic good times. I dunno man, the cost of housing around my area has about doubled in less than ten years, I do not see my wages outpacing that any time soon That's true everywhere, including in my own area. But I don't know what it's like in the US, but in Canada it is a national problem that can only be solved at the local level. It's all about housing supply which is controlled at the zoning level at the municipal level of government. But it can't just be done in one city. It has to be in every city, hence the problem. But point is it's not something that is really controlled at the federal level. Well, in Canada there was a compounding factor that low housing supply had increased strain with increased demand by bringing in one million immigrants per year (total population 40M). So that's the one thing at the federal level that didn't cause the issue, but compounded an already baked in problem. You're asking for a lot of nuanced understanding for a typical American voter. A typical American voter is going to see their expenses leap up and their quality of life go down and simply feel that whoever is in charge at the time done fucked up. I mean you are not wrong in that they've found there is a 5% difference in voting for whichever name shows up on the top of the ballot. (Hence a lot of ballots swap the order to account for this.) But point being, I don't see that blaming housing prices on the federal government is a good argument. 5%? You’re fucking me right? I’ve heard that phenomenon was a thing but to that degree?
I don't know about the 5% figure but perhaps some digging with some terms from here might help:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serial-position_effect#:~:text=In psychology and sociology, the,than information presented later on.
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Dems need to take hard look at themselves in the mirror, they have majority of MSM, celebrities and major corporations on their side and this is the result.
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Canada11161 Posts
Generally, I think they should never have eaten all those dogs and cats. Really wasn't a good look.
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