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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
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Amui
Canada10567 Posts
On November 06 2024 13:26 PhoenixVoid wrote: This is about as close to a landslide Trump could get, and a catastrophe for Democrats. Trump's outpacing most of his past performances, gaining heavily with minorities, and cutting notably into blue states that may even flip or be perilously close to going red. Trump's going to likely have a trifecta and a SCOTUS going his way. This is the potential to utterly redefine and reshape America once more. Yep. My takeaway from what I saw in Flash's stream, rural America really turned out to make sure a minority female candidate would never become president. If Walz had been the main ticket, quite frankly I think Dem's take it. Harris got a similar turnout at best in urban areas compared to Biden, and lost by a buttload in rural areas. Walz probably gets a similar turnout to Harris in urban areas, and doesn't energize the red rural areas in the same way. If Dems want any shot in future elections, they need to run some eloquent charismatic middle-age+ white guy. Not someone who will automatically lose several % of the popular vote by default. Vast areas of the US (and the way the EC is structured, the important electoral ones), are still astoundingly racist and sexist, so I'm really not surprised. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States46713 Posts
On November 06 2024 13:23 FlaShFTW wrote: Well that ends my coverage considering Rust Belt and AZ are gonna take days to count their votes. Really feels like 2016 all over again. Pretty significant red wave for the presidency and the Selzer poll being off by so much really left a sour taste in my mouth. It's not entirely over yet, there's some some comeback potential for Harris but she needs to run the gauntlet in the Rust Belt to win, sort of like how Biden did when things didn't look good for him. But we'll pretty much know by tomorrow morning. GG everyone appreciate everyone who tuned in for the coverage, we'll see everyone in 2 years for the midterms! Thanks for the stream! I was listening the whole time, and it was very insightful  | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16129 Posts
On November 06 2024 13:36 Amui wrote: Yep. My takeaway from what I saw in Flash's stream, rural America really turned out to make sure a minority female candidate would never become president. If Walz had been the main ticket, quite frankly I think Dem's take it. Harris got a similar turnout at best in urban areas compared to Biden, and lost by a buttload in rural areas. Walz probably gets a similar turnout to Harris in urban areas, and doesn't energize the red rural areas in the same way. If Dems want any shot in future elections, they need to run some eloquent charismatic middle-age+ white guy. Not someone who will automatically lose several % of the popular vote by default. Or... and here's an idea. Run someone who actually has to win an election to win the fucking nomination. The Democrats took the choice of candidate out of the hands of the voters and voters responded. Gee I wonder when else that happened, oh yea it also happened in 2016. Wonder how many times they'll need to be punished for doing that before they actually learn their lesson. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States24512 Posts
On November 06 2024 13:32 Zambrah wrote: I hope going forward Democrats commit to trying to attract Republicans to vote for them, because if theres one thing we can say for certain, its that Republicans are super principled and keen and are totally willing to vote for Democrats if you just give them a little more of what they say they want. Its been such a stellar strategy. Honestly its a lot more than just white women that are self-destructive, lol I mean of course, but it's basically the only other category besides white men that breaks for Trump all 3 elections. The majority of either valuing their civil rights (let alone anyone else's) would be more than enough for Trump to lose. Oh yeah and on the first part: Every Democrat that pushed Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden in the primaries should be banned from political influence for life. | ||
KwarK
United States44450 Posts
On November 06 2024 13:28 Zambrah wrote: You'd imagine something like losing their civil rights would make people unhappy with the people who took away their civil rights, can't really blame someone for thinking that. It is certainly becoming clear that American's don't actually value their civil rights in almost any capacity, though. Not when the alternative is a black woman. All the Biden haters are completely out of touch with the average American voter. Weekend at Biden's would have done better (it literally can't have done worse). Just run the oldest whitest man you can fucking find. It's not hard. Trump is the oldest man to ever be elected president. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27478 Posts
On November 06 2024 13:26 PhoenixVoid wrote: This is about as close to a landslide Trump could get, and a catastrophe for Democrats. Trump's outpacing most of his past performances, gaining heavily with minorities, and cutting notably into blue states that may even flip or be perilously close to going red. Trump's going to likely have a trifecta and a SCOTUS going his way. This is the potential to utterly redefine and reshape America once more. Sigh, ah well I imagine third time’s the charm also applies to assassination attempts Joking aside what a potential disaster. Trump without really any barriers, what could go wrong? | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States24512 Posts
On November 06 2024 13:39 KwarK wrote: Not when the alternative is a black woman. All the Biden haters are completely out of touch with the average American voter. Weekend at Biden's would have done better (it literally can't have done worse). Just run the oldest whitest man you can fucking find. It's not hard. Trump is the oldest man to ever be elected president. Biden was already polling WAY WORSE and was FALLING and one thing we've learned tonight is that the polling was pretty accurate if not Dem favored. Harris being a Black Woman probably didn't help but this was a systemic and systematic failure by Democrats that goes beyond the candidates | ||
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ZerOCoolSC2
9077 Posts
As with 2016, this shithole of a country deserves every single negative thing it gets and none of the positives. It's fucking shameful to be an American when we can't even get this right. | ||
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KwarK
United States44450 Posts
On November 06 2024 13:38 Vindicare605 wrote: Or... and here's an idea. Run someone who actually has to win an election to win the fucking nomination. The Democrats took the choice of candidate out of the hands of the voters and voters responded. Gee I wonder when else that happened, oh yea it also happened in 2016. Wonder how many times they'll need to be punished for doing that before they actually learn their lesson. Hillary won the nomination hard in 2016, she was extremely well connected, qualified, and had an awful lot of support within the party. The problem is that Democrats sit around smelling their own farts. They circle jerk about this vision of an aspirational America built on opportunity, equality, a glorious melting pot. They're completely out of touch with just how awful the average American is. They need to get out there, speak to the average voter, and lower their fucking expectations. They need to talk more about the upsides of police brutality and how LGBT people have a mental illness if they want to win. They need to proclaim the virtues of traitor Confederate generals and when they suggest that we're shipping too many precision weapons to Israel it better fucking be the precision part they're objecting to. | ||
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TheLordofAwesome
Korea (South)2656 Posts
On November 06 2024 13:35 Mohdoo wrote: For anyone who supports Trump or feels like they have a good answer, I am asking this because I truly don’t know and want to learn: how did Trump improve with minorities? Why are minorities preferring Trump? Does my echo chamber prevent me from knowing something? Legitimately asking. Sure. In no particular order, here are some of the things that I am certain helped Trump with minorities. Economics: Inflation is something like 40 - 60% for the middle class and the poor, depending on where you live. From talking to people around the country over the last year, I have heard a LOT of minority people saying that they were better off economically under Trump. With men: Trump, Vance, and Elon all doing Rogan's podcast in the week before the election. Kamala and Walz never show up. Trans issues: Don't underestimate how much the trans stuff turns off people who value traditional masculinity and machismo. Like... black and Hispanic men, more than any other demographic group in the US. Crime: Dems are viewed as weak on law and order. Trump is not. Illegal immigration DEI stuff | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27478 Posts
On November 06 2024 13:36 Amui wrote: Yep. My takeaway from what I saw in Flash's stream, rural America really turned out to make sure a minority female candidate would never become president. If Walz had been the main ticket, quite frankly I think Dem's take it. Harris got a similar turnout at best in urban areas compared to Biden, and lost by a buttload in rural areas. Walz probably gets a similar turnout to Harris in urban areas, and doesn't energize the red rural areas in the same way. If Dems want any shot in future elections, they need to run some eloquent charismatic middle-age+ white guy. Not someone who will automatically lose several % of the popular vote by default. Vast areas of the US (and the way the EC is structured, the important electoral ones), are still astoundingly racist and sexist, so I'm really not surprised. I don’t think people admit it, it takes some inventive polling questioning and interpretation to even hint at it, some folks don’t like the prospect of women in charge. I think it outweighs any racial bias by quite a decent margin even | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States24512 Posts
On November 06 2024 13:45 KwarK wrote: + Show Spoiler + Hillary won the nomination hard in 2016, she was extremely well connected, qualified, and had an awful lot of support within the party. The problem is that Democrats sit around smelling their own farts. They circle jerk about this vision of an aspirational America built on opportunity, equality, a glorious melting pot. They're completely out of touch with just how awful the average American is. They need to get out there, speak to the average voter, and lower their fucking expectations. They need to talk more about the upsides of police brutality and how LGBT people have a mental illness if they want to win. They need to proclaim the virtues of traitor Confederate generals and when they suggest that we're shipping too many precision weapons to Israel it better fucking be the precision part they're objecting to. Kwark is being emotional right now, but this there is some Dem adviser screaming this at important people right now and those important people are seriously considering taking this sort of approach. | ||
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Luolis
Finland7202 Posts
On November 06 2024 13:48 GreenHorizons wrote: Kwark is being emotional right now, but this there is some Dem adviser screaming this at important people right now and those important people are seriously considering taking this sort of approach. Is he wrong though? USA seems to want this. I for one, am just glad to watch this bite the ass of all the morons who voted for Trump. | ||
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ZerOCoolSC2
9077 Posts
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Jealous
10420 Posts
On November 06 2024 13:28 Zambrah wrote: You'd imagine something like losing their civil rights would make people unhappy with the people who took away their civil rights, can't really blame someone for thinking that. It is certainly becoming clear that American's don't actually value their civil rights in almost any capacity, though. Dont want to get into the meat of what you're describing here but in Russia we have a saying, "I will gouge out my own eye so that my mother-in-law has a blind son-in-law." It sounds a lot better in the original language though, promise. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States24512 Posts
On November 06 2024 13:49 Luolis wrote: Is he wrong though? USA seems to want this. I for one, am just glad to watch this bite the ass of all the morons who voted for Trump. Yes, obviously. Not about what the majority population of the US is like (overwhelmingly the white people), but about what to do about it. | ||
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ZerOCoolSC2
9077 Posts
On November 06 2024 13:50 Jealous wrote: Dont want to get into the meat of what you're describing here but in Russia we have a saying, "I will gouge out my own eye so that my mother-in-law has a blind son-in-law." It sounds a lot better in the original language though, promise. That's a variant of "Cut one's nose to spite their face". It goes hard in any language lol | ||
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Taelshin
Canada420 Posts
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27478 Posts
On November 06 2024 13:49 Luolis wrote: Is he wrong though? USA seems to want this. I for one, am just glad to watch this bite the ass of all the morons who voted for Trump. It’s never sarisfying because no matter how fucking disastrous these things can potentially get, those said same people will never actually admit to their mistake | ||
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