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Zambrah
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States7297 Posts
November 06 2024 04:11 GMT
#90481
On November 06 2024 13:10 TheLordofAwesome wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2024 13:09 Luolis wrote:
On November 06 2024 13:08 TheLordofAwesome wrote:
On November 06 2024 12:59 Luolis wrote:
On November 06 2024 12:58 TheLordofAwesome wrote:
On November 06 2024 12:54 KwarK wrote:
On November 06 2024 12:53 Luolis wrote:
If Trump wins this my belief in humanity is actually done. Americans are retarded.

It's basically over. He won.

Democrats don't spend enough time talking to the average American. Somehow, despite the lessons of 2016, they don't realize that Americans hate women and ethnic minorities.

Which is why, of course, that Trump is doing better with ethnic minorities than every other Republican candidate of the last 40 years or more. The absolute hatred he shows them, compels them to go out and vote for him. What a genius.

They can put their hatred on LGBT minorities instead

I think the trans stuff is a massively underrated factor in the very likely Democratic loss tonight. I think a lot of normal people really don't like it.

I think anyone who has issues with trans people should end their worthless life.

wow that's pretty extreme.


Bigots are scum
Incremental change is the Democrat version of Trickle Down economics.
Luolis
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Finland7104 Posts
November 06 2024 04:11 GMT
#90482
On November 06 2024 13:10 TheLordofAwesome wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2024 13:09 Luolis wrote:
On November 06 2024 13:08 TheLordofAwesome wrote:
On November 06 2024 12:59 Luolis wrote:
On November 06 2024 12:58 TheLordofAwesome wrote:
On November 06 2024 12:54 KwarK wrote:
On November 06 2024 12:53 Luolis wrote:
If Trump wins this my belief in humanity is actually done. Americans are retarded.

It's basically over. He won.

Democrats don't spend enough time talking to the average American. Somehow, despite the lessons of 2016, they don't realize that Americans hate women and ethnic minorities.

Which is why, of course, that Trump is doing better with ethnic minorities than every other Republican candidate of the last 40 years or more. The absolute hatred he shows them, compels them to go out and vote for him. What a genius.

They can put their hatred on LGBT minorities instead

I think the trans stuff is a massively underrated factor in the very likely Democratic loss tonight. I think a lot of normal people really don't like it.

I think anyone who has issues with trans people should end their worthless life.

wow that's pretty extreme.

I'm not a big fan of people who want to make life hard for a very small minority whose life is already hard enough.
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Introvert
Profile Joined April 2011
United States4748 Posts
November 06 2024 04:12 GMT
#90483
Maybe this thread (or the internet) is not a good example because emotions are high, but the disdain for people who don't vote the way they do is quite pronounced and part of the problem they have I think. "Why do they vote against their own interests?!!" because they can tell you hate them. idk
"It is therefore only at the birth of a society that one can be completely logical in the laws. When you see a people enjoying this advantage, do not hasten to conclude that it is wise; think rather that it is young." -Alexis de Tocqueville
ZerOCoolSC2
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
8983 Posts
November 06 2024 04:12 GMT
#90484
On November 06 2024 13:10 TheLordofAwesome wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2024 13:09 Luolis wrote:
On November 06 2024 13:08 TheLordofAwesome wrote:
On November 06 2024 12:59 Luolis wrote:
On November 06 2024 12:58 TheLordofAwesome wrote:
On November 06 2024 12:54 KwarK wrote:
On November 06 2024 12:53 Luolis wrote:
If Trump wins this my belief in humanity is actually done. Americans are retarded.

It's basically over. He won.

Democrats don't spend enough time talking to the average American. Somehow, despite the lessons of 2016, they don't realize that Americans hate women and ethnic minorities.

Which is why, of course, that Trump is doing better with ethnic minorities than every other Republican candidate of the last 40 years or more. The absolute hatred he shows them, compels them to go out and vote for him. What a genius.

They can put their hatred on LGBT minorities instead

I think the trans stuff is a massively underrated factor in the very likely Democratic loss tonight. I think a lot of normal people really don't like it.

I think anyone who has issues with trans people should end their worthless life.

wow that's pretty extreme.

It really isn't when viewed through the lens of the lives they lead and how scared they are to be themselves in public. What you said was offensive, but not wrong in the political discourse of things. It should be looked at as a cause. But you have to remember, these are lives and people actually value those lives.
ZerOCoolSC2
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
8983 Posts
November 06 2024 04:15 GMT
#90485
On November 06 2024 13:12 Introvert wrote:
Maybe this thread (or the internet) is not a good example because emotions are high, but the disdain for people who don't vote the way they do is quite pronounced and part of the problem they have I think. "Why do they vote against their own interests?!!" because they can tell you hate them. idk

The problem is you are forcing your point of view of how people should live when it doesn't [b]affect[b] you. That's the issue that Rs continually miss. A lot of laws are there to just stop hatred but Rs fight against letting people just live.
TheLordofAwesome
Profile Joined May 2014
Korea (South)2655 Posts
November 06 2024 04:17 GMT
#90486
On November 06 2024 13:12 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2024 13:10 TheLordofAwesome wrote:
On November 06 2024 13:09 Luolis wrote:
On November 06 2024 13:08 TheLordofAwesome wrote:
On November 06 2024 12:59 Luolis wrote:
On November 06 2024 12:58 TheLordofAwesome wrote:
On November 06 2024 12:54 KwarK wrote:
On November 06 2024 12:53 Luolis wrote:
If Trump wins this my belief in humanity is actually done. Americans are retarded.

It's basically over. He won.

Democrats don't spend enough time talking to the average American. Somehow, despite the lessons of 2016, they don't realize that Americans hate women and ethnic minorities.

Which is why, of course, that Trump is doing better with ethnic minorities than every other Republican candidate of the last 40 years or more. The absolute hatred he shows them, compels them to go out and vote for him. What a genius.

They can put their hatred on LGBT minorities instead

I think the trans stuff is a massively underrated factor in the very likely Democratic loss tonight. I think a lot of normal people really don't like it.

I think anyone who has issues with trans people should end their worthless life.

wow that's pretty extreme.

It really isn't when viewed through the lens of the lives they lead and how scared they are to be themselves in public. What you said was offensive, but not wrong in the political discourse of things. It should be looked at as a cause. But you have to remember, these are lives and people actually value those lives.

what I said was
I think the trans stuff is a massively underrated factor in the very likely Democratic loss tonight. I think a lot of normal people really don't like it.

how is an analysis of Dem's doing poorly tonight "offensive"? Note that I am not mentioning my own views.
Taelshin
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada418 Posts
November 06 2024 04:17 GMT
#90487
It's not over till its over. Chickens and all that.
"We didnt listen"
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23224 Posts
November 06 2024 04:18 GMT
#90488
On November 06 2024 13:06 TheLordofAwesome wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2024 13:03 GreenHorizons wrote:
On November 06 2024 12:55 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
On November 06 2024 12:53 GreenHorizons wrote:
On November 06 2024 12:46 Falling wrote:
RIP Ukraine if the rust belt doesn't flip, I guess.

And Eastern Europe according to the rationale for US support of Ukraine thus far.

And Taiwan. And SK. And the US.

Nothing a little electoralism can't fix.

Trump, the Republican Senate, and probably Republican House may not let Dems win very much though after destroying democracy.

Hahahahahahahaha

Dude, you go on and on about how voting for a Democrat for President is evil. Then when Trump wins, you say he is going to destroy democracy. Pick one.

"evil" is Democrats word but both can be true.

The latter was literally a plank in the Democrat campaign and the former the standard "lesser evilism".

Now Democrats have to pretend that no matter what Trump does, electoralism is the only option, after insisting it wouldn't be an option since Trump would destroy democracy.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44319 Posts
November 06 2024 04:22 GMT
#90489
On November 06 2024 13:06 TheLordofAwesome wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2024 13:03 GreenHorizons wrote:
On November 06 2024 12:55 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
On November 06 2024 12:53 GreenHorizons wrote:
On November 06 2024 12:46 Falling wrote:
RIP Ukraine if the rust belt doesn't flip, I guess.

And Eastern Europe according to the rationale for US support of Ukraine thus far.

And Taiwan. And SK. And the US.

Nothing a little electoralism can't fix.

Trump, the Republican Senate, and probably Republican House may not let Dems win very much though after destroying democracy.

Hahahahahahahaha

Dude, you go on and on about how voting for a Democrat for President is evil. Then when Trump wins, you say he is going to destroy democracy. Pick one.


It's not logically inconsistent for GH to hate on both parties.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
ZerOCoolSC2
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
8983 Posts
November 06 2024 04:23 GMT
#90490
On November 06 2024 13:17 TheLordofAwesome wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2024 13:12 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
On November 06 2024 13:10 TheLordofAwesome wrote:
On November 06 2024 13:09 Luolis wrote:
On November 06 2024 13:08 TheLordofAwesome wrote:
On November 06 2024 12:59 Luolis wrote:
On November 06 2024 12:58 TheLordofAwesome wrote:
On November 06 2024 12:54 KwarK wrote:
On November 06 2024 12:53 Luolis wrote:
If Trump wins this my belief in humanity is actually done. Americans are retarded.

It's basically over. He won.

Democrats don't spend enough time talking to the average American. Somehow, despite the lessons of 2016, they don't realize that Americans hate women and ethnic minorities.

Which is why, of course, that Trump is doing better with ethnic minorities than every other Republican candidate of the last 40 years or more. The absolute hatred he shows them, compels them to go out and vote for him. What a genius.

They can put their hatred on LGBT minorities instead

I think the trans stuff is a massively underrated factor in the very likely Democratic loss tonight. I think a lot of normal people really don't like it.

I think anyone who has issues with trans people should end their worthless life.

wow that's pretty extreme.

It really isn't when viewed through the lens of the lives they lead and how scared they are to be themselves in public. What you said was offensive, but not wrong in the political discourse of things. It should be looked at as a cause. But you have to remember, these are lives and people actually value those lives.

what I said was
Show nested quote +
I think the trans stuff is a massively underrated factor in the very likely Democratic loss tonight. I think a lot of normal people really don't like it.

how is an analysis of Dem's doing poorly tonight "offensive"? Note that I am not mentioning my own views.

Bolded is where you inserted your views. I'm fairly normal and I think trans people should be left to their own devices. Not legistlated out of existence or refused healthcare. What normal people think is inconsequential to what trans people want. So "normies" don't have a say in that and shouldn't vote on those issues that don't affect them, just because they find it "weird".
FlaShFTW
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States10155 Posts
November 06 2024 04:23 GMT
#90491
Well that ends my coverage considering Rust Belt and AZ are gonna take days to count their votes. Really feels like 2016 all over again. Pretty significant red wave for the presidency and the Selzer poll being off by so much really left a sour taste in my mouth.

It's not entirely over yet, there's some some comeback potential for Harris but she needs to run the gauntlet in the Rust Belt to win, sort of like how Biden did when things didn't look good for him. But we'll pretty much know by tomorrow morning.

GG everyone appreciate everyone who tuned in for the coverage, we'll see everyone in 2 years for the midterms!
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Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16071 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-11-06 04:25:52
November 06 2024 04:24 GMT
#90492
On November 06 2024 13:22 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2024 13:06 TheLordofAwesome wrote:
On November 06 2024 13:03 GreenHorizons wrote:
On November 06 2024 12:55 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
On November 06 2024 12:53 GreenHorizons wrote:
On November 06 2024 12:46 Falling wrote:
RIP Ukraine if the rust belt doesn't flip, I guess.

And Eastern Europe according to the rationale for US support of Ukraine thus far.

And Taiwan. And SK. And the US.

Nothing a little electoralism can't fix.

Trump, the Republican Senate, and probably Republican House may not let Dems win very much though after destroying democracy.

Hahahahahahahaha

Dude, you go on and on about how voting for a Democrat for President is evil. Then when Trump wins, you say he is going to destroy democracy. Pick one.


It's not logically inconsistent for GH to hate on both parties.


No it isn't. Lord knows I hate the Democrats, and I'm definitely feeling every bit of that hate right about now. It isn't enough that they aren't the Republicans. When that's the best thing they have going for themselves they are in trouble, we've known that's the case for the last 40 years.
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Falling
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada11350 Posts
November 06 2024 04:24 GMT
#90493
Yeah, if she wins, it'll be by the narrowest of margins. But it doesn't look great right now.
Moderator"In Trump We Trust," says the Golden Goat of Mars Lago. Have faith and believe! Trump moves in mysterious ways. Like the wind he blows where he pleases...
Taelshin
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada418 Posts
November 06 2024 04:25 GMT
#90494
@flash that selzer poll was clearly bunk why would anyone believe that? I'd get your money back - stupid AF
"We didnt listen"
PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32740 Posts
November 06 2024 04:26 GMT
#90495
This is about as close to a landslide Trump could get, and a catastrophe for Democrats. Trump's outpacing most of his past performances, gaining heavily with minorities, and cutting notably into blue states that may even flip or be perilously close to going red.

Trump's going to likely have a trifecta and a SCOTUS going his way. This is the potential to utterly redefine and reshape America once more.
I'm afraid of demented knife-wielding escaped lunatic libertarian zombie mutants
Zambrah
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States7297 Posts
November 06 2024 04:28 GMT
#90496
You'd imagine something like losing their civil rights would make people unhappy with the people who took away their civil rights, can't really blame someone for thinking that.

It is certainly becoming clear that American's don't actually value their civil rights in almost any capacity, though.
Incremental change is the Democrat version of Trickle Down economics.
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44319 Posts
November 06 2024 04:30 GMT
#90497
On November 06 2024 13:24 Falling wrote:
Yeah, if she wins, it'll be by the narrowest of margins. But it doesn't look great right now.


Yeah I think there would need to be a Red Mirage across all MI + WI + PA, which I'm assuming won't happen.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland25277 Posts
November 06 2024 04:31 GMT
#90498
On November 06 2024 13:23 FlaShFTW wrote:
Well that ends my coverage considering Rust Belt and AZ are gonna take days to count their votes. Really feels like 2016 all over again. Pretty significant red wave for the presidency and the Selzer poll being off by so much really left a sour taste in my mouth.

It's not entirely over yet, there's some some comeback potential for Harris but she needs to run the gauntlet in the Rust Belt to win, sort of like how Biden did when things didn't look good for him. But we'll pretty much know by tomorrow morning.

GG everyone appreciate everyone who tuned in for the coverage, we'll see everyone in 2 years for the midterms!

Cheers, was nice to pop in
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23224 Posts
November 06 2024 04:31 GMT
#90499
On November 06 2024 13:28 Zambrah wrote:
You'd imagine something like losing their civil rights would make people unhappy with the people who took away their civil rights, can't really blame someone for thinking that.

It is certainly becoming clear that American's don't actually value their civil rights in almost any capacity, though.

Let's not take any credit away from the white men that are the core of the problem, but holy shit the majority of white women are self-destructive af.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Zambrah
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States7297 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-11-06 04:33:34
November 06 2024 04:32 GMT
#90500
I hope going forward Democrats commit to trying to attract Republicans to vote for them, because if theres one thing we can say for certain, its that Republicans are super principled and keen and are totally willing to vote for Democrats if you just give them a little more of what they say they want. Its been such a stellar strategy.

On November 06 2024 13:31 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2024 13:28 Zambrah wrote:
You'd imagine something like losing their civil rights would make people unhappy with the people who took away their civil rights, can't really blame someone for thinking that.

It is certainly becoming clear that American's don't actually value their civil rights in almost any capacity, though.

Let's not take any credit away from the white men that are the core of the problem, but holy shit the majority of white women are self-destructive af.


Honestly its a lot more than just white women that are self-destructive, lol
Incremental change is the Democrat version of Trickle Down economics.
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