EPTOn October 12 2026 23:11 Billyboy wrote:
Is your shipping cost estimate in normal times or including the increase costs currently?
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On October 12 2026 21:50 CuddlyCuteKitten wrote:
Looking into the math.
Russian diesel is still cheaper.
Shipping costs from Canada is $2-5 right now while it's $25-35 for Russian diesel. However the North American price per barrel is $160-190 and Russia is dumping what they can because they have damaged summer grader stock and their pipelines could freeze. So they are giving like $60-90 discount and sell at $100-120.
So Russian diesel is still cheaper (but potentially also much, much lower quality) but not that much. Maybe ~$173 compared to ~150 for Russian after freight.
However:
1) it wouldn't get there in time for the midterms.
2) it's sold through pipelines to countries close to Russia. So the effect on market price in the US should be through lowered global demand. The amount sold is tiny even compared to US demand, compared to global demand it's miniscule.
On October 12 2026 21:10 Billyboy wrote:
Holy shit man, have you considered the shipping? wtf, look a fucking map.
Edit: btw, you have previously argued that the IS doesn’t get discounted crude from Canada too, so nice flip flop.
On October 12 2026 21:09 oBlade wrote:
You were not asked to prove that Canada refines diesel.
You were asked to source your made-up claim that "Putin is charging" twice as much as Canada "charges" for diesel. (Canadian diesel doesn't sell at a discount, there's no special arrangement with the US for diesel like there is for Canadian crude.)
On October 12 2026 20:53 Billyboy wrote:
We have refineries in Atlantic Canada that send diesel you muppet. Use Google, it’s not hard.
https://www.canadianfuels.ca/wp-content/uploads/2026/05/6934_FUEL_Refineries-Maps-Canada-2025Nov_Eng_final.pdf
On October 12 2026 17:38 oBlade wrote:
Thank God you're definitively not an American.
It's hard for you to sell it at half the price Putin charged Trump, because Putin didn't charge Trump, it's a specific sanctions waiver only. The government ("Trump") isn't buying anything. And I think you have diesel confused with crude oil. Canadian crude sells at a discount. Not diesel. If you don't have a source, this is just another of your pure hallucinations.
On October 12 2026 07:11 Billyboy wrote:
Side note, Trump bought the amount and diesel that Canada supplies the US every 12 days, and we sell it at half the price Putin charged Trump,
Trump sure knows how to pick his friends.
Side note, Trump bought the amount and diesel that Canada supplies the US every 12 days, and we sell it at half the price Putin charged Trump,
Trump sure knows how to pick his friends.
Thank God you're definitively not an American.
It's hard for you to sell it at half the price Putin charged Trump, because Putin didn't charge Trump, it's a specific sanctions waiver only. The government ("Trump") isn't buying anything. And I think you have diesel confused with crude oil. Canadian crude sells at a discount. Not diesel. If you don't have a source, this is just another of your pure hallucinations.
We have refineries in Atlantic Canada that send diesel you muppet. Use Google, it’s not hard.
https://www.canadianfuels.ca/wp-content/uploads/2026/05/6934_FUEL_Refineries-Maps-Canada-2025Nov_Eng_final.pdf
You were not asked to prove that Canada refines diesel.
You were asked to source your made-up claim that "Putin is charging" twice as much as Canada "charges" for diesel. (Canadian diesel doesn't sell at a discount, there's no special arrangement with the US for diesel like there is for Canadian crude.)
Holy shit man, have you considered the shipping? wtf, look a fucking map.
Edit: btw, you have previously argued that the IS doesn’t get discounted crude from Canada too, so nice flip flop.
Looking into the math.
Russian diesel is still cheaper.
Shipping costs from Canada is $2-5 right now while it's $25-35 for Russian diesel. However the North American price per barrel is $160-190 and Russia is dumping what they can because they have damaged summer grader stock and their pipelines could freeze. So they are giving like $60-90 discount and sell at $100-120.
So Russian diesel is still cheaper (but potentially also much, much lower quality) but not that much. Maybe ~$173 compared to ~150 for Russian after freight.
However:
1) it wouldn't get there in time for the midterms.
2) it's sold through pipelines to countries close to Russia. So the effect on market price in the US should be through lowered global demand. The amount sold is tiny even compared to US demand, compared to global demand it's miniscule.
Is your shipping cost estimate in normal times or including the increase costs currently?
According to the article I read they are the current very elevated prices.
