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On May 01 2020 08:38 Fecalfeast wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2020 08:13 Alakaslam wrote: GB almost certainly town and ShoCkeyy inadvertently revealed Rayn imo Can you explain for the dim people how shock revealed rayn? By being impressionably stubborn.
Rayn has been trying to influence stuff rather than discover stuff. That became apparent in his interactions with ShoCkeyy circa the mid 20’s in page number.
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Mafia I be kop come schuut mii
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On May 01 2020 02:45 Grackaroni wrote: ##unvote ##Vote:Slam
I think I'm probably going to be the lynch tbh. Sorry for bad play. Grack what made you post this?
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Mr. Slam.
Where were you on the day of April 30th at 12 O'clock PM during the death of Mr KURUMI?
Were you with Chezinu at the Federal Reserve?
Did you lower the interest rates to increase employment in accordance with macroeconomic principles? What say you?????
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On May 01 2020 11:01 Fecalfeast wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2020 02:45 Grackaroni wrote: ##unvote ##Vote:Slam
I think I'm probably going to be the lynch tbh. Sorry for bad play. Grack what made you post this? I should have read through the thread and posted more than a page but I waited too long to start. I thought I would probably be the lynch from what I was reading when I came in the thread and for posting little content.
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Fecalfeast, do you have any response to my suspicions of you? Specifically, you seem to throw suspicion everywhere, it feels like you are reaching for reasons to scumread everyone. Primarily early Day 1.
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I'll be playing a bit of diplomacy and then I'll come back here.
I don't want to make excuses but I'm going through a bit here. Nothing to worry about, but I'm not feeling well most of the time and I've comitted to more work than I can probably handle.
I'll be refreshing the page while I play so if you have anything to ask me, I'm here.
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On May 01 2020 11:11 Trfel wrote: Fecalfeast, do you have any response to my suspicions of you? Specifically, you seem to throw suspicion everywhere, it feels like you are reaching for reasons to scumread everyone. Primarily early Day 1. There's not much he can say to that. Either he's town and suspicious of a lot of people or he's scum jumping on a lot of scum reads.
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@GlowingBear, why is Jockmcplop mafia?
I don't get why the Koshi vote and unvote makes him mafia. I don't get why anything else makes him mafia either. Please explain?
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On April 30 2020 10:49 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2020 00:03 Kurumi wrote:Slam, everyone, please don't spam post, it really doesn't help. I decided to make a list for summary's sake and that we hopefully don't miss out something later. No contribution so far:Grackaroni (posted, but it is literally an introduction post and a youtube-link post) Fecalfeast (admitted to not reading the thread) Koshi (no posts at all) Jockmcplop (no posts at all) Chezinu (but talking Chezinu and contributing is a whole can of worms) Low-effort/medium activityShockeyy (claims town and wanting to lead it, pings me through quoting Vivax, scumreads Alakaslam, notes that Trfel has played games back-to-back and understands their desire to be lazy) Alakaslam (notes the cop-outs, pings me, claimed town, seemingly agrees with me, Vivax, torn about Trfel anyway) GlowingBear (pings Vivax, then votes them without providing more reasoning, interacts with Trfel on basis of past games, although seemingly agrees with me, is interested in how Trfel is going to play) Funnily enough, if someone were to put a gun to my head right now, I'd say all three are Town. That only means I at this moment lean Town more on them than Scum and it's flimsy enough to flip fast. If I were to pick the strongest town feel out of these three, it would be Slam because I liked him noticing the cop-outs and well, I like that he seems to agree with me ActiveVivax (pinged me, wanted to interact with people and did, pressured Fecalfeast through a vote on good reasoning after I asked for who I should be looking into, most importantly, came to the exact same conclusions I have right now.) KurumiTrfel raynpelikoneetI have no idea with which one of these two I should start. There's an obvious triangle between them and me - with them defending each-other and pushing me, but pushing me so lightly that they don't even commit to a vote. And they do all this for me JUST pinging Trfel. Never called Trfel scum. Never voted Trfel. That's a misrepresentation. But the moment I mention Trfel to rayn, he believes that Trfel has shown "effort" (they did not, as I outlined in a post of mine). After this, rayn declares I should be suspicious of him because of his defense of Trfel - to which I have replied already as well. I was. I know that rayn tunnel-visions a lot, but the play he's shown this game is outright bogus to me. Trfel says one thing and then does the opposite. Which is, by definition, lying. You might have a good guess how I feel about liars. Rayn goes on saying that I'm illogically pushing Trfel for this, as if nothing Trfel would've done would change my attitude towards them. So here's what I can give on this front: if Trfel were truthful to their game-opening declaration, they'd be suspicious to me. BUT they would not be read as scum to me simply because of lack of information. Given how all this turned out, I believe Trfel to be scum. They go as far as literally reiterating rayn's previous point he made to me about how I should be suspicious of rayn and me not being suspicious of rayn is scummy. They also misrepresent me as saying "I'm gonna meta read everyone like crazy" which is wildly untrue. I expressed DOUBTS whether I can do that. Not that I can and will. And you know what's the best thing ever in Trfel's posting? On April 29 2020 10:40 Trfel wrote: -snip-
However, I was mostly joking, to see people's reactions. It clearly wouldn't make much sense for me to try and give an excuse at the start of the game when I easily could have done so a few hours before. With the one caveat being that I tend to be a lower page-count player these past few games/years, I try to be more efficient with my posts, and I think it's been working fairly well. I just know some people tend to view that as suspicious. Amazing backpedal. So your plan from the start of the game was claim to be lazy and then call the first person to call you out scum? Because "mostly joking"? So not only you've lied about "being lazy" this game through your gameplay after I put some heat on you, you also admit it outright? Cool. So, the only reason I'm voting Trfel over raynpelikoneet really is that I think Trfel has a role. I'd rather have a scum-with-role dead than a vanilla scum dead. Easy? Easy. ##vote Trfel+ Show Spoiler [unofficial votecount] +
Fecalfeast - 0
Vivax
raynpelikoneet - 1 Vivax
Vivax - 1 GlowingBear
This is the best post in thread and Kurumi is top town. There is no way scum would put so much effort while also mindmelding with me in the beginning of the game. Also, @GlowingBear, why was this post the best post in the thread to you? I get that it was a lot of effort and made Kurumi look town to you, but I don't see your conclusions matching Kurumi's conclusions in this post. Calling it the "best post in the thread" seems like quite the stretch.
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Definitely still open for discussion but after rereading GlowingBear's filter I think GlowingBear is mafia.
Appreciate thoughts on this. Also, apologies to all for defending GlowingBear earlier if he is indeed mafia.
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On May 01 2020 11:20 Trfel wrote: @GlowingBear, why is Jockmcplop mafia?
I don't get why the Koshi vote and unvote makes him mafia. I don't get why anything else makes him mafia either. Please explain?
I think his Koshi vote and unvote doesn't make sense as town. He either was joke on both of his posts or was serious in both of them. Joking on the first and being serious on the unvote, or the opposite, doesn't make sense.
But I've been thinking about this and I believe I was too tunneled with this. I don't actually have anything against jock besides this thought process that I couldn't get behind. I also don't believe that him, as mafia, would not vote anyone and AFK. He could've just drop a vote on someone.
Who I now believe is probably mafia is rayn. I've been fixated in him being blue and after my last game with HolyFlare I didn't want to go against a high profile player because of incongruencies in his posts. Thinking of it now, that's stupid.
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On May 01 2020 11:29 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2020 10:49 GlowingBear wrote:On April 30 2020 00:03 Kurumi wrote:Slam, everyone, please don't spam post, it really doesn't help. I decided to make a list for summary's sake and that we hopefully don't miss out something later. No contribution so far:Grackaroni (posted, but it is literally an introduction post and a youtube-link post) Fecalfeast (admitted to not reading the thread) Koshi (no posts at all) Jockmcplop (no posts at all) Chezinu (but talking Chezinu and contributing is a whole can of worms) Low-effort/medium activityShockeyy (claims town and wanting to lead it, pings me through quoting Vivax, scumreads Alakaslam, notes that Trfel has played games back-to-back and understands their desire to be lazy) Alakaslam (notes the cop-outs, pings me, claimed town, seemingly agrees with me, Vivax, torn about Trfel anyway) GlowingBear (pings Vivax, then votes them without providing more reasoning, interacts with Trfel on basis of past games, although seemingly agrees with me, is interested in how Trfel is going to play) Funnily enough, if someone were to put a gun to my head right now, I'd say all three are Town. That only means I at this moment lean Town more on them than Scum and it's flimsy enough to flip fast. If I were to pick the strongest town feel out of these three, it would be Slam because I liked him noticing the cop-outs and well, I like that he seems to agree with me ActiveVivax (pinged me, wanted to interact with people and did, pressured Fecalfeast through a vote on good reasoning after I asked for who I should be looking into, most importantly, came to the exact same conclusions I have right now.) KurumiTrfel raynpelikoneetI have no idea with which one of these two I should start. There's an obvious triangle between them and me - with them defending each-other and pushing me, but pushing me so lightly that they don't even commit to a vote. And they do all this for me JUST pinging Trfel. Never called Trfel scum. Never voted Trfel. That's a misrepresentation. But the moment I mention Trfel to rayn, he believes that Trfel has shown "effort" (they did not, as I outlined in a post of mine). After this, rayn declares I should be suspicious of him because of his defense of Trfel - to which I have replied already as well. I was. I know that rayn tunnel-visions a lot, but the play he's shown this game is outright bogus to me. Trfel says one thing and then does the opposite. Which is, by definition, lying. You might have a good guess how I feel about liars. Rayn goes on saying that I'm illogically pushing Trfel for this, as if nothing Trfel would've done would change my attitude towards them. So here's what I can give on this front: if Trfel were truthful to their game-opening declaration, they'd be suspicious to me. BUT they would not be read as scum to me simply because of lack of information. Given how all this turned out, I believe Trfel to be scum. They go as far as literally reiterating rayn's previous point he made to me about how I should be suspicious of rayn and me not being suspicious of rayn is scummy. They also misrepresent me as saying "I'm gonna meta read everyone like crazy" which is wildly untrue. I expressed DOUBTS whether I can do that. Not that I can and will. And you know what's the best thing ever in Trfel's posting? On April 29 2020 10:40 Trfel wrote: -snip-
However, I was mostly joking, to see people's reactions. It clearly wouldn't make much sense for me to try and give an excuse at the start of the game when I easily could have done so a few hours before. With the one caveat being that I tend to be a lower page-count player these past few games/years, I try to be more efficient with my posts, and I think it's been working fairly well. I just know some people tend to view that as suspicious. Amazing backpedal. So your plan from the start of the game was claim to be lazy and then call the first person to call you out scum? Because "mostly joking"? So not only you've lied about "being lazy" this game through your gameplay after I put some heat on you, you also admit it outright? Cool. So, the only reason I'm voting Trfel over raynpelikoneet really is that I think Trfel has a role. I'd rather have a scum-with-role dead than a vanilla scum dead. Easy? Easy. ##vote Trfel+ Show Spoiler [unofficial votecount] +
Fecalfeast - 0
Vivax
raynpelikoneet - 1 Vivax
Vivax - 1 GlowingBear
This is the best post in thread and Kurumi is top town. There is no way scum would put so much effort while also mindmelding with me in the beginning of the game. Also, @GlowingBear, why was this post the best post in the thread to you? I get that it was a lot of effort and made Kurumi look town to you, but I don't see your conclusions matching Kurumi's conclusions in this post. Calling it the "best post in the thread" seems like quite the stretch.
Trfel, this is the only post where I saw someone trying to understand everyone from every perspective. It has original and genuine content, his thought process is clear, and there was a high amout of information people could use to discuss. I can actually undrestand him being upset, this post was either ignored or called scummy. I'm pretty sure he took tremendous amount of time to write all of this, to analyse people's post. It doesn't mean he is right. It means it shows he is town. He wasn't even under pressure, he didn't neet to post this. Not an easy feat to do as mafia. He should never be the lynch today with so many people that don't post a single information in thread.
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For the record, Jockmcplop was joking in both of his posts. Thanks for explaining though.
Care to summarize why raynpelikoneet is mafia to you? I skimmed your filter for it again and I don't believe you ever clearly laid it out. No rush, if you want to play Diplomacy first I'll be here a few hours.
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On May 01 2020 08:03 Vivax wrote:GB, Shockeyy is up close. I'd like Shockeyy to continue his inquiry into Slam though. I didn't finish looking at EoD from a lynch derailing perspective and wagon analysis, but rayn's switch looks bad to me. I thought he was as confident as me on GB.
LOL Vivax, then finish EoD because it makes no sense to keep calling me scum right now. It should be obvious to you
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On May 01 2020 12:11 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2020 08:03 Vivax wrote:On May 01 2020 07:59 Trfel wrote: Vivax, who is your top scumread right now? GB, Shockeyy is up close. I'd like Shockeyy to continue his inquiry into Slam though. I didn't finish looking at EoD from a lynch derailing perspective and wagon analysis, but rayn's switch looks bad to me. I thought he was as confident as me on GB. LOL Vivax, then finish EoD because it makes no sense to keep calling me scum right now. It should be obvious to you I'm sorry, care to explain why? I'm not seeing it, what makes it so obvious?
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On May 01 2020 12:10 Trfel wrote: For the record, Jockmcplop was joking in both of his posts. Thanks for explaining though.
Care to summarize why raynpelikoneet is mafia to you? I skimmed your filter for it again and I don't believe you ever clearly laid it out. No rush, if you want to play Diplomacy first I'll be here a few hours.
I've finished playing diplo today, I'll stay here for like 30 minutes before going to sleep. Jock wasn't joking on both of his posts because he said himself he GENUINELY THOUGHT KOSHI WAS MAFIA because of his opening.
I've already talked about rayn, but okay, I'll flesh out.
I think rayn has been under the radar and not actually taking hard stances. Early day1 he said you had a thought process that made you look townie. What is so particularly townie in thinking "I'm lazy haha won't be posting much okay lol"? There's nothing townie to read into it. His read seemed forced. Then he later went on the game just talking a bit but without taking any hard stance. He was suspicious of Kurumi but didn't push his lynch. He decided to vote for jock but I couldn't find anything in his filter where he said why jock was mafia other than "jock can look very townie when he is mafia". That's not a reason to vote him. He then went under the radar and only changed his vote to sheep Koshi on a faint reason to call me mafia. He decided I wasn't a good lynch today and went against Kurumi who we know is town. it doesn't make sense, it feels rayn is just trying to survive. I thought that he might be blue because of this, I didn't really want to engage in a shitfest saying RAYN IS MAFIA WHARRGARBL. But now, thinking about it, he is most likely mafia instead of blue.
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On May 01 2020 12:14 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2020 12:11 GlowingBear wrote:On May 01 2020 08:03 Vivax wrote:On May 01 2020 07:59 Trfel wrote: Vivax, who is your top scumread right now? GB, Shockeyy is up close. I'd like Shockeyy to continue his inquiry into Slam though. I didn't finish looking at EoD from a lynch derailing perspective and wagon analysis, but rayn's switch looks bad to me. I thought he was as confident as me on GB. LOL Vivax, then finish EoD because it makes no sense to keep calling me scum right now. It should be obvious to you I'm sorry, care to explain why? I'm not seeing it, what makes it so obvious?
Why would I bother fleshing out my thoughts in the thread if I'm being lynched? Why wouldn't I try to deflect my lynch into any other target? Why wouldn't I hammer Kurumi after he came to the thread and acted so poorly against his lynched? I had an excuse to save myself
I don't understand how you can't 100% see me as town there
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On May 01 2020 12:20 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2020 12:10 Trfel wrote: For the record, Jockmcplop was joking in both of his posts. Thanks for explaining though.
Care to summarize why raynpelikoneet is mafia to you? I skimmed your filter for it again and I don't believe you ever clearly laid it out. No rush, if you want to play Diplomacy first I'll be here a few hours. I've finished playing diplo today, I'll stay here for like 30 minutes before going to sleep. Jock wasn't joking on both of his posts because he said himself he GENUINELY THOUGHT KOSHI WAS MAFIA because of his opening. I've already talked about rayn, but okay, I'll flesh out. I think rayn has been under the radar and not actually taking hard stances. Early day1 he said you had a thought process that made you look townie. What is so particularly townie in thinking "I'm lazy haha won't be posting much okay lol"? There's nothing townie to read into it. His read seemed forced. Then he later went on the game just talking a bit but without taking any hard stance. He was suspicious of Kurumi but didn't push his lynch. He decided to vote for jock but I couldn't find anything in his filter where he said why jock was mafia other than "jock can look very townie when he is mafia". That's not a reason to vote him. He then went under the radar and only changed his vote to sheep Koshi on a faint reason to call me mafia. He decided I wasn't a good lynch today and went against Kurumi who we know is town. it doesn't make sense, it feels rayn is just trying to survive. I thought that he might be blue because of this, I didn't really want to engage in a shitfest saying RAYN IS MAFIA WHARRGARBL. But now, thinking about it, he is most likely mafia instead of blue. Jockmcplop was joking when he said he genuinely thought Koshi was mafia. He was being sarcastic then. But oh well, if you're not scumreading him for that anymore I guess it doesn't matter.
Thanks for explaining, I appreciate it. It helps. I'll re-evaluate raynpelikoneet (I've been avoiding reading the potential night kill targets to save time).
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