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On May 01 2020 14:10 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2020 13:54 Trfel wrote:On May 01 2020 13:52 Alakaslam wrote:
I am now pretty sure Rayn is mafia. Will shower then return. You mean, because of how he voted for ShoCkeyy? Or what? I didnt know he did that. No that is not why. Sorry, I took a quick glance in your filter and that was my impression about your read on raynpelikoneet.
Why then?
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On May 01 2020 14:11 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2020 14:10 Alakaslam wrote:On May 01 2020 13:54 Trfel wrote:On May 01 2020 13:52 Alakaslam wrote:
I am now pretty sure Rayn is mafia. Will shower then return. You mean, because of how he voted for ShoCkeyy? Or what? I didnt know he did that. No that is not why. Sorry, I took a quick glance in your filter and that was my impression about your read on raynpelikoneet. Why then?
Because he tried to take control of ShoCkeyy’s vote.
Why would he do that if he didnt know ShoCkeyy’s alignment?
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So rayn, Koshi, wonder who else. Maybe Jock.
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Sorry for missing a couple of days my health issues caught up with me (can explain further if you want). I have about 650 posts to read then i'm back
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I think he has too much fight in him to be mafia. Mafia Koshi is a kind butterfly that occasionally backstabs you. More of a tonish read.
Chez shot is good. Though I could be swayed if he looked like he had more fun while shitposting.
On May 01 2020 12:27 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2020 07:02 Vivax wrote:On May 01 2020 05:19 ShoCkeyy wrote:You went from this On May 01 2020 03:59 Alakaslam wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote: GlowingBear to this On May 01 2020 04:43 Alakaslam wrote:
I now have GB as top town. in a span of an hour, why the sudden change of heart? Judging from your interactions with GB you completely thought of him as town before the above post. You never really interacted with GB, you just called him homboy in a couple of posts immediately then talked about GB with other people when GB stopped posting. Then all the sudden asked for reasons why you should vote for GB. Idk but your interaction timeline just seems off about when it comes to GB, especially your voting pattern. This is actually a good question. Why do you want so much to paint me as scum now? You're taking every oportunity to throw suspicions at me. How about YOU tell me why I'm mafia?
While I was fighting with Koshi over your alignment you were in the thread and instead of engaging you went and made an apologetic sounding summarish post.
If it wasn't already obvious that it is why I scumread you, then I can't help you.
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Though I'll try to be fair and look at the game from a fresh perspective.
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On May 01 2020 03:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why do people so hard want to ruin the game every single fucking time i am town?
Idk why he says this when he's voting Kurumi who he presumably thinks was mafia.
Or is he referring to someone else.
Otherwise, it's a pretty scummy thing to say.
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On May 01 2020 03:59 Alakaslam wrote:
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##Vote: GlowingBear
Nice timing. Also didn't change the outcome.
Important to come back to depending on GB's flip.
On May 01 2020 04:43 Alakaslam wrote:
I now have GB as top town.
Seems legit.
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On May 01 2020 11:41 Trfel wrote:
Definitely still open for discussion but after rereading GlowingBear's filter I think GlowingBear is mafia.
Appreciate thoughts on this. Also, apologies to all for defending GlowingBear earlier if he is indeed mafia.
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+ Show Spoiler +On May 01 2020 03:39 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2020 03:37 Koshi wrote:On May 01 2020 03:31 Trfel wrote:On May 01 2020 03:28 Fecalfeast wrote:
Slam acting serious makes me think he's town rn when normally I'd think it was scummy. That's weird.
Has gb done anything lately why do you want me to switch shockkeyy GlowingBear is busy at work. He flailed at Koshi for a while, nothing super notable though. Consider maybe switching to Kurumi? Mostly the same reasons as before. I just feel like Kurumi hasn't contributed much actual thought to the thread. If Kurumi is mafia, what the fuck has gb been doing the first 40 hours? Mindmeld with mafia? Is that possible? Like.... regardlrdd if gb is mafia or town. He kinda locked kurumi in as town. No? You think town gb can have duch a strong tr on mafia kurumi? I don't know, honestly I never understood "mindmeld" stuff. To me, agreeing with someone or having the same thoughts as someone never means they are confirmed town or anything like that. Yes, I think GlowingBear could be wrong on Kurumi as town. I don't see why not?
Here's how I see the 'mindmeld' thing.
Its entirely meta based, or should be, from a town perspective.
There's one guy on MU who reliably mindmelds with me on day 1 more than once if we're both town. Like every single game. If it happens, I know to townread him.
Townreading someone off a mindmeld just because they said what you are thinking is absolutely terrible imo. If that's how you see the game, mafia just needs to make educated guesses at how you are seeing the game and get easy townreads.
I do like how GB reevaluated his read on me though, it would have been super easy for him to keep pushing a SR on me, especially because I still hadn't posted at that point, so even though i see his early townread on kurumi as a bit suspicious, he's probably a town lean for me.
also @glowingbear: + Show Spoiler +the two koshi posts, although I don't need to, I feel I should explain. The first post was a joke with a joke vote. You probably think that's stupid, fair enough. The second post was sarcasm, as trfel pointed out. There was no way I could hard scumread koshi from what he had posted so far in the thread, i was being sarcastic. read this again carefully from the perspective that I am being sarcastic: Nah I genuinely thought he was mafia after his one post and shockeyy saying that post made him mafia. I was convinced. I get now that responding to people not understanding a joke vote with sarcasm that people might also not understand isn't smart. I take responsibility for that.
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About shockeyy:
On May 01 2020 03:09 ShoCkeyy wrote:
GlowingBear: (3) Koshi, FecalFeast, Vivax
ShoCkeyy: (3) Alakaslam, Trfel, Raynpelikoneet
There's an obvious two mafia here. The third one can also be here, or just not voting, on some one else. But I definitely suspect two mafia here. Sorry Rayn, but I can't trust you on this. Given how probability works, and I know I'm not mafia; there's a very good and strong chance mafia is lined up here to lynch some one.
At first I really liked Fefe pushing that post of shockeyy's. I was almost scumreading shockeyy based on him simply not explaining the post at all, and it not really making sense from most points of view that I could summon up.
However, I think that's a really superficial reading and yes I'm sussing Fefe because of that.
That post does make sense if you consider that shockeyy is scumreading the people who started both wagons (koshi and slam) before he made this post, and also sussing other people who are on the wagons. I think its consistent with his previous reads that he would see the two wagons as containing two obvious scum. His vote was on koshi and he SRs slam who started a wagon on him. If you look at shockeyy's other reads it also makes sense to think that if one of koshi/slam is not scum, then someone else on the wagons would be.
TL:DR Shockeyy's 'two scum on these wagons' post makes perfect sense in the context of his other reads. I think I actually townread shockeyy for this.
Quotes to support:
+ Show Spoiler +On April 30 2020 11:45 ShoCkeyy wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2020 11:39 Fecalfeast wrote:
I got about halfway through actually reading the thread, have a big post made up of my thoughts and then..
Then I got to a post that I made that said the exact opposite of what I have written here....
what is going on here maybe youre mafia?
First he suspects Fefe
+ Show Spoiler +On May 01 2020 03:01 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Rayn, please just re-read the thread and the interactions between GB and Koshi. I feel like most people here don't read and just base decisions on others decisions. I'm putting pressure on Slam, because I personally think that Koshi and Slam are partners. Could Jock be in there? sure? But what GB is saying about Koshi relieving pressure on Jock is true. I personally hope that Jock didn't roll mafia again, but that Koshi play right there can be two things. True mafia work, or town work. Slam voting me, 15 mins after not wanting to vote for me screams setup play between the two for D2.
He already scumreads koshi and slam
+ Show Spoiler +On May 01 2020 03:09 ShoCkeyy wrote:
GlowingBear: (3) Koshi, FecalFeast, Vivax
ShoCkeyy: (3) Alakaslam, Trfel, Raynpelikoneet
There's an obvious two mafia here. The third one can also be here, or just not voting, on some one else. But I definitely suspect two mafia here. Sorry Rayn, but I can't trust you on this. Given how probability works, and I know I'm not mafia; there's a very good and strong chance mafia is lined up here to lynch some one.
Then he makes this post. He suspects that slam and koshi are partners. However, he also suspects Fefe. From this its easy to see why he thinks that there's two scum on these wagons, unless you haven't looked in his ISO or read his posts properly.
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On May 01 2020 13:52 Alakaslam wrote:
I am now pretty sure Rayn is mafia. Will shower then return.
Interesting. I also believed yesterday that we had to keep gb alive because the thread felt too clean towards the lynch and too happy after the lynch.
This is a feeling so I wont and probably cant explain it
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If shockey is mafia and I give that a fair chance this will be though on me lol
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I still believe gb could be mafia. But maybe I do t want to chase his lynch too hard tomorrow.
If somebody picks up their game it doesnt make them town. It could just be mafia finally picking up their slack. I have been burned by this quite a lot.
It's a good tip for you all.
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Maybe we punish rayn tomorrow. Kurumi lynch was bullshit.
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PS: For the people who think I am mafia. Dont try to read me with by analysing how consistent I am with reads. I push what I see and what I feel. It can change fast but I can be stubborn as hell as well.
If Vivax en rayn say I am 100% town. And they played with me for a very long time. Maybe just believe them?
Not that it matter much. I dont think I will be lynchable this game.
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Shockey his problem is that he isnt taking information from this thread into his reads fast enough. I dont remember anything from past games, but in that empty void of not remembering I think I see him more of a reactionary player.
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On May 01 2020 12:24 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2020 12:14 Trfel wrote:On May 01 2020 12:11 GlowingBear wrote:On May 01 2020 08:03 Vivax wrote:On May 01 2020 07:59 Trfel wrote:
Vivax, who is your top scumread right now? GB, Shockeyy is up close. I'd like Shockeyy to continue his inquiry into Slam though. I didn't finish looking at EoD from a lynch derailing perspective and wagon analysis, but rayn's switch looks bad to me. I thought he was as confident as me on GB. LOL Vivax, then finish EoD because it makes no sense to keep calling me scum right now. It should be obvious to you I'm sorry, care to explain why? I'm not seeing it, what makes it so obvious? Why would I bother fleshing out my thoughts in the thread if I'm being lynched? Why wouldn't I try to deflect my lynch into any other target? Why wouldn't I hammer Kurumi after he came to the thread and acted so poorly against his lynched? I had an excuse to save myself I don't understand how you can't 100% see me as town there
this is just wifom. Proofs nothing.
But town does tends to care a lot less about town team than mafia does about the mafia team.
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