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If this is suggesting koshi/shockeyy mafia I don't think so. Shockeyy's hard scumread on koshi is too much for early bussing imo.
Otherwise I think the best part of this case is here:+ Show Spoiler +Mild "don't lynch Kurumi" post. Feels so mild-mannered for Koshi, who is usually such an aggressive poster. He doesn't seem to care much about who gets lynched between GlowingBear, his super scumread, and Kurumi, his townread. Tells raynpelikoneet to keep voting for Kurumi while sticking on GlowingBear himself
Its really hard to parse town motivation from these two posts. It looks like there's a contradiction, like don't townread kurumi for that post he made but we shouldn't lynch him but don't stop voting him based on that post.
If you didn't want kurumi lynched, your objective should be to stop town from lynching him. why would you tell rayn to ignore that post and suggest that kurumi might be mafia for posting it?
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Hmmm GB is indeed potentially maybe town. The one thing I like is his tone vs rayn before deadline. It's consistent with the scumread after deadline.
And I am getting wary of rayn a bit
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On May 01 2020 20:31 Jockmcplop wrote:+ Show Spoiler +If this is suggesting koshi/shockeyy mafia I don't think so. Shockeyy's hard scumread on koshi is too much for early bussing imo. Otherwise I think the best part of this case is here: + Show Spoiler +Mild "don't lynch Kurumi" post. Feels so mild-mannered for Koshi, who is usually such an aggressive poster. He doesn't seem to care much about who gets lynched between GlowingBear, his super scumread, and Kurumi, his townread. Tells raynpelikoneet to keep voting for Kurumi while sticking on GlowingBear himself Its really hard to parse town motivation from these two posts. It looks like there's a contradiction, like don't townread kurumi for that post he made but we shouldn't lynch him but don't stop voting him based on that post. If you didn't want kurumi lynched, your objective should be to stop town from lynching him. why would you tell rayn to ignore that post and suggest that kurumi might be mafia for posting it?
Kurumi cheated and deserved to die. You shouldnt talk about getting replaced and shit like that. It's 99% times town being truthful over mafia doing a very dirty trick.
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During the lynchreveal waiting period I was thinking maybe kurumi and gb are mafia together and they didnt vote each other for that. And they are both sad and angry and want out.
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That was likely very wrong.
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Anyway Tfrel observations about me are pretty spot on. He is tiptop town. With fefe and Vivax.
That is the only thing I take with me from d1.
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I'll admit that I also try to find town sentiment between townies that dont know they have common sentiment. And for example Grack/Slam/GB share rayn is mafia sentiment.
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Anyway. If people feel I shouldnt spam please let me know. Dont be a Kurumi. I can also just think these things and not post them.
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Maybe something like
rayn/Shockey/Chez
With chez potentially replaced with somebody "bussing" rayn.
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On May 01 2020 20:35 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2020 20:31 Jockmcplop wrote:+ Show Spoiler +If this is suggesting koshi/shockeyy mafia I don't think so. Shockeyy's hard scumread on koshi is too much for early bussing imo. Otherwise I think the best part of this case is here: + Show Spoiler +Mild "don't lynch Kurumi" post. Feels so mild-mannered for Koshi, who is usually such an aggressive poster. He doesn't seem to care much about who gets lynched between GlowingBear, his super scumread, and Kurumi, his townread. Tells raynpelikoneet to keep voting for Kurumi while sticking on GlowingBear himself Its really hard to parse town motivation from these two posts. It looks like there's a contradiction, like don't townread kurumi for that post he made but we shouldn't lynch him but don't stop voting him based on that post. If you didn't want kurumi lynched, your objective should be to stop town from lynching him. why would you tell rayn to ignore that post and suggest that kurumi might be mafia for posting it? Kurumi cheated and deserved to die. You shouldnt talk about getting replaced and shit like that. It's 99% times town being truthful over mafia doing a very dirty trick.
Ah I don't know you well enough to know if this would make you ignore the townread you had on him if you're town.
I'm suspicious. 'He's town but he can die because i don't like what he did' is bad. Its an easy out for mafia to position themselves as being ok with the mislynch, and it gives you a moral argument about the game which is not useful. Who cares if he deserves to die if he's town? What wincon are we playing to here?
Also mafia would be much more likely to pissed off at him for pulling that kinda stuff.
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I think koshi/fefe is mafia.
They independently seem scummy. Koshi for his EoD with kurumi as explained above and Fefe for his push on shockeyy which only takes a brief look at shockeyy's reads and filter to debunk.
Add to that Koshi hard townreading Fefe in a way that looks like it could never change and Fefe barely mentioning koshi in his 5 page filter except to pressure shockeyy about his scumread on koshi.
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+ Show Spoiler +On April 29 2020 09:45 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2020 04:47 Trfel wrote:
Alakaslam, I assume by cop-outs you mean excuses?
And if so, what (if anything) do you make of them? Meh, NAI but also unnecessary. Just kinda bad. I cant always be here, I don’t have to go on and on about my daily teaching schedule or coronavirus actually making me busier and whatnot. I just show up when I can. Because I’m town, and therefore dont give a shit what people think. On April 29 2020 10:45 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2020 10:40 Trfel wrote:On April 29 2020 09:45 Alakaslam wrote:On April 29 2020 04:47 Trfel wrote:
Alakaslam, I assume by cop-outs you mean excuses?
And if so, what (if anything) do you make of them? Meh, NAI but also unnecessary. Just kinda bad. I cant always be here, I don’t have to go on and on about my daily teaching schedule or coronavirus actually making me busier and whatnot. I just show up when I can. Because I’m town, and therefore dont give a shit what people think. Alakaslam, do you really care what people think of you when you're mafia? A little On May 01 2020 03:31 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2020 03:31 ShoCkeyy wrote:On May 01 2020 03:29 Alakaslam wrote:
And i have more time now FF thanks though! We can flesh out GB more. My vote is available to the highest bidder. You don't think this sounds even scummier? I dont care about my image I care about finding scum. If you want to waste your vote on me then go ahead and do it. On May 01 2020 05:25 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2020 05:19 ShoCkeyy wrote:You went from this On May 01 2020 03:59 Alakaslam wrote:
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##Vote: GlowingBear to this On May 01 2020 04:43 Alakaslam wrote:
I now have GB as top town. in a span of an hour, why the sudden change of heart? Judging from your interactions with GB you completely thought of him as town before the above post. You never really interacted with GB, you just called him homboy in a couple of posts immediately then talked about GB with other people when GB stopped posting. Then all the sudden asked for reasons why you should vote for GB. Idk but your interaction timeline just seems off about when it comes to GB, especially your voting pattern. “Slam you shit at scum, cant you see? How can you be this stupid slam?” Trash your vote then, you all ready know I dont give a cuss what you think of my alignment or anyone else for that matter, if I get lynched I get lynched. Go back to being productive and stop insulting my scum play.
If slam really doesn't care what people think shouldn't that come through in his posting without him having to tell us twice a day that he doesn't care?
Honestly the way he went off at people for (in slam's view) insinuating that he might be a sloppy mafia player really makes me think he's just overcompensating for mafia paranoia.
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I should be asleep.... Sleepy Trfel....
@Jockmcplop, hope you are doing okay. My read on Koshi isn't an associative read with ShoCkeyy necessarily. Of course if ShoCkeyy is mafia then it looks a lot worse for Koshi, but as it is, it feels like Koshi is very inconsistent with his scumread on ShoCkeyy. Like it's a fake read or he doesn't care about it. Not a super amazing 100% point but I still think it has some merit.
I'll take another look at the Fecalfeast thing. Also feels like everyone except for me is scumreading raynpelikoneet, something about that doesn't feel quite right.
Hopefully I'll be asleep again soon but who knows.
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Welcome back Jock. Hope you're ok.
I need to digest your posts and I'm kinda lazy atm.
Need some clarification on your vote on Koshi from back in the day. I read it as joke, rayn read it as serious with you weasling out of it.
I mean it feels kinda stupid to ask but it needs to be done.
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On May 01 2020 20:35 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2020 20:31 Jockmcplop wrote:+ Show Spoiler +If this is suggesting koshi/shockeyy mafia I don't think so. Shockeyy's hard scumread on koshi is too much for early bussing imo. Otherwise I think the best part of this case is here: + Show Spoiler +Mild "don't lynch Kurumi" post. Feels so mild-mannered for Koshi, who is usually such an aggressive poster. He doesn't seem to care much about who gets lynched between GlowingBear, his super scumread, and Kurumi, his townread. Tells raynpelikoneet to keep voting for Kurumi while sticking on GlowingBear himself Its really hard to parse town motivation from these two posts. It looks like there's a contradiction, like don't townread kurumi for that post he made but we shouldn't lynch him but don't stop voting him based on that post. If you didn't want kurumi lynched, your objective should be to stop town from lynching him. why would you tell rayn to ignore that post and suggest that kurumi might be mafia for posting it? Kurumi cheated and deserved to die. You shouldnt talk about getting replaced and shit like that. It's 99% times town being truthful over mafia doing a very dirty trick.
What are you talking about. Where did he talk about getting replaced because I can't find it on a quick read.
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On May 01 2020 20:12 Jockmcplop wrote:the two koshi posts, although I don't need to, I feel I should explain. The first post was a joke with a joke vote. You probably think that's stupid, fair enough. The second post was sarcasm, as trfel pointed out. There was no way I could hard scumread koshi from what he had posted so far in the thread, i was being sarcastic. read this again carefully from the perspective that I am being sarcastic: Show nested quote +Nah I genuinely thought he was mafia after his one post and shockeyy saying that post made him mafia. I was convinced. I get now that responding to people not understanding a joke vote with sarcasm that people might also not understand isn't smart. I take responsibility for that. @Vivax
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On May 01 2020 03:44 Kurumi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2020 03:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Nice that you decided to magically appear just now. I waited until my lynch was more or less assured, I asked for a replacement 11 and half hours ago because I couldn't muster any interest to play this game. So to make sure you don't make me suffer another fucking cycle I decided to come and say hi. You mad? Also @Vivax
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On May 01 2020 22:16 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2020 20:12 Jockmcplop wrote:the two koshi posts, although I don't need to, I feel I should explain. The first post was a joke with a joke vote. You probably think that's stupid, fair enough. The second post was sarcasm, as trfel pointed out. There was no way I could hard scumread koshi from what he had posted so far in the thread, i was being sarcastic. read this again carefully from the perspective that I am being sarcastic: Nah I genuinely thought he was mafia after his one post and shockeyy saying that post made him mafia. I was convinced. I get now that responding to people not understanding a joke vote with sarcasm that people might also not understand isn't smart. I take responsibility for that. @Vivax
Thanks.
Jock can you stop putting stuff in spoilers? It really helps.
Confirms what I was thinking, anyways, tho I fell for it before the sarcasm.
But also kinda obvious answer if he's mafia.
Fefe for his push on shockeyy which only takes a brief look at shockeyy's reads and filter to debunk.
Okay, debunk it please?
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On May 01 2020 22:28 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2020 22:16 Trfel wrote:On May 01 2020 20:12 Jockmcplop wrote:the two koshi posts, although I don't need to, I feel I should explain. The first post was a joke with a joke vote. You probably think that's stupid, fair enough. The second post was sarcasm, as trfel pointed out. There was no way I could hard scumread koshi from what he had posted so far in the thread, i was being sarcastic. read this again carefully from the perspective that I am being sarcastic: Nah I genuinely thought he was mafia after his one post and shockeyy saying that post made him mafia. I was convinced. I get now that responding to people not understanding a joke vote with sarcasm that people might also not understand isn't smart. I take responsibility for that. @Vivax Thanks. Jock can you stop putting stuff in spoilers? It really helps. Confirms what I was thinking, anyways, tho I fell for it before the sarcasm. But also kinda obvious answer if he's mafia. Show nested quote +Fefe for his push on shockeyy which only takes a brief look at shockeyy's reads and filter to debunk. Okay, debunk it please?
I already did.
On May 01 2020 20:12 Jockmcplop wrote:At first I really liked Fefe pushing that post of shockeyy's. I was almost scumreading shockeyy based on him simply not explaining the post at all, and it not really making sense from most points of view that I could summon up. However, I think that's a really superficial reading and yes I'm sussing Fefe because of that. That post does make sense if you consider that shockeyy is scumreading the people who started both wagons (koshi and slam) before he made this post, and also sussing other people who are on the wagons. I think its consistent with his previous reads that he would see the two wagons as containing two obvious scum. His vote was on koshi and he SRs slam who started a wagon on him. If you look at shockeyy's other reads it also makes sense to think that if one of koshi/slam is not scum, then someone else on the wagons would be. TL:DR Shockeyy's 'two scum on these wagons' post makes perfect sense in the context of his other reads. I think I actually townread shockeyy for this. Quotes to support: + Show Spoiler +On April 30 2020 11:45 ShoCkeyy wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2020 11:39 Fecalfeast wrote:
I got about halfway through actually reading the thread, have a big post made up of my thoughts and then..
Then I got to a post that I made that said the exact opposite of what I have written here....
what is going on here maybe youre mafia? First he suspects Fefe + Show Spoiler +On May 01 2020 03:01 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Rayn, please just re-read the thread and the interactions between GB and Koshi. I feel like most people here don't read and just base decisions on others decisions. I'm putting pressure on Slam, because I personally think that Koshi and Slam are partners. Could Jock be in there? sure? But what GB is saying about Koshi relieving pressure on Jock is true. I personally hope that Jock didn't roll mafia again, but that Koshi play right there can be two things. True mafia work, or town work. Slam voting me, 15 mins after not wanting to vote for me screams setup play between the two for D2. He already scumreads koshi and slam + Show Spoiler +On May 01 2020 03:09 ShoCkeyy wrote:
GlowingBear: (3) Koshi, FecalFeast, Vivax
ShoCkeyy: (3) Alakaslam, Trfel, Raynpelikoneet
There's an obvious two mafia here. The third one can also be here, or just not voting, on some one else. But I definitely suspect two mafia here. Sorry Rayn, but I can't trust you on this. Given how probability works, and I know I'm not mafia; there's a very good and strong chance mafia is lined up here to lynch some one. Then he makes this post. He suspects that slam and koshi are partners. However, he also suspects Fefe. From this its easy to see why he thinks that there's two scum on these wagons, unless you haven't looked in his ISO or read his posts properly.
I can stop using spoilers if you want.
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On May 01 2020 22:14 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2020 20:35 Koshi wrote:On May 01 2020 20:31 Jockmcplop wrote:+ Show Spoiler +If this is suggesting koshi/shockeyy mafia I don't think so. Shockeyy's hard scumread on koshi is too much for early bussing imo. Otherwise I think the best part of this case is here: + Show Spoiler +Mild "don't lynch Kurumi" post. Feels so mild-mannered for Koshi, who is usually such an aggressive poster. He doesn't seem to care much about who gets lynched between GlowingBear, his super scumread, and Kurumi, his townread. Tells raynpelikoneet to keep voting for Kurumi while sticking on GlowingBear himself Its really hard to parse town motivation from these two posts. It looks like there's a contradiction, like don't townread kurumi for that post he made but we shouldn't lynch him but don't stop voting him based on that post. If you didn't want kurumi lynched, your objective should be to stop town from lynching him. why would you tell rayn to ignore that post and suggest that kurumi might be mafia for posting it? Kurumi cheated and deserved to die. You shouldnt talk about getting replaced and shit like that. It's 99% times town being truthful over mafia doing a very dirty trick. What are you talking about. Where did he talk about getting replaced because I can't find it on a quick read.
On May 01 2020 03:44 Kurumi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2020 03:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Nice that you decided to magically appear just now. I waited until my lynch was more or less assured, I asked for a replacement 11 and half hours ago because I couldn't muster any interest to play this game. So to make sure you don't make me suffer another fucking cycle I decided to come and say hi. You mad?
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