On June 26 2019 17:22 Pandain wrote:
Explain it in depth.

1. We Shoot Shape.
A. He's mafia. Great. Game not solved but we are likely to win.
b. He's Town. KSC is mafia and we lynch him. Game is solved here. Jock and I are confirmed town.

2. We Shoot KSC
a. He's Mafia. Game is solved here. Jock and I are confirmed town.
B. He's town. Shape is mafia. Great. Game not solved but we are likely to win.

Is this right or what am I missing.

I am not sure. My point is on if we shoot Kelsier and he turns up town we lose one day phase for nothing. Because if shapelog is mafia and kelsier is not we always win if we shoot him. but do we win if we shoot kelsier (town) and lynch shape (scum)?

raynpelikoneet

Finland43226 Posts

June 26 2019 08:27 GMT

#843

I am too tired, if you can prove me if Kelsier turns up green on vigi shot how game is solved then i believe you.

Pandain

United States12981 Posts

June 26 2019 08:28 GMT

#844

I am also busy working. I will finish my assignment in an hour and post an analysis later.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43226 Posts

June 26 2019 08:30 GMT

#845

Because to me it looks like if Kelsier turns up green either eywa/me/you/jock can be mafia.

Pandain

United States12981 Posts

June 26 2019 08:33 GMT

#846

I will post something, but can we assume for the purpose of analysis that we always shoot/lynch both of Kelsier and Shape?

Pandain

United States12981 Posts

June 26 2019 08:34 GMT

#847

well actually you would disagree with that since you think kelsier is town. i'll still post something.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43226 Posts

June 26 2019 08:35 GMT

#848

I dont think Kelsier is town. I just think we need to shoot Shapelog over him regardless of what affiliation either of them are.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43226 Posts

June 26 2019 08:39 GMT

#849

i need to sleep i gotta be at work in 9 hrs

raynpelikoneet

Finland43226 Posts

June 26 2019 08:40 GMT

#850

i am not miscalculating vig needs to shoot shapelog!

Pandain

United States12981 Posts

June 26 2019 08:42 GMT

#851

I don't think you're completely right but I have a lot of work to do so I will just give a blanket approval because I think its the same thing in my eyes.

Holyflare

United Kingdom30774 Posts

June 26 2019 08:45 GMT

#852

Just lynch who you think is mafia dudes. Stop this pointless shit. I don't think you can confirm anyone on any wagon at all.

Holyflare

United Kingdom30774 Posts

June 26 2019 08:45 GMT

#853

Even the slam one.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43226 Posts

June 26 2019 08:48 GMT

#854

On June 26 2019 17:45 Holyflare wrote:
Just lynch who you think is mafia dudes. Stop this pointless shit. I don't think you can confirm anyone on any wagon at all.

yeah lets not make reads based on what people did

raynpelikoneet

Finland43226 Posts

June 26 2019 08:52 GMT

#855

I think HF and Grack are final 2 mafia. Hosts actually lied and Grack's claim to me looks like 110% is not coming from a townie as i have already said in thread. I am sorry i missed HF, i just read the thread real quick after my last post and made these perfect reads based on all the good things like random shit in the thread.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43226 Posts

June 26 2019 08:52 GMT

#856

good night <3

Jockmcplop

United Kingdom9212 Posts

June 26 2019 08:55 GMT

#857

I'm looking back at that talk I had with grack yesterday and reading it in the cold light of day it looks like I'm being a bit stupid.
I'm still suspicious based on voting alone but i'm upgrading him from scum to scum lean.
The way he carried himself during that argument does seem more townie than mafia.

I still think we should kill shapelog because of what rayn said. Going off my personal reads list, if shapelog flips mafia we're in a great spot (in this case my reads might be wrong and I would probably just sheep from this point) and if he flips town I'm looking at ksc and one of grack/eywa (mayyyyyyyyyyyyybe Pandain) and that's game over.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43226 Posts

June 26 2019 08:57 GMT

#858

jock you should just believe me when i say grack is not mafia. there is simply no possibility of him being mafia.

Holyflare

United Kingdom30774 Posts

June 26 2019 08:58 GMT

#859

On June 26 2019 17:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:

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yeah lets not make reads based on what people did

Confirming people for arbitrarily voting slam who would have been warned and was just a goon when mafia need to make a play against 3 confirmed townies and possibility of saves and cop is quite possibly the dumbest thing to do. I would most likely be bussing 100% of the time if my mafia partner posted one post and disappeared.

Pandain has done the most mafia things in the game and has motivation to perk up at deadline if his mafia partner is being lynched compared to being complacent beforehand. He even said he was fine lynching slam if he didn't know who to lynch but then he wanted to kill you because of information instead of the guy he said he was ok killing or convincing people to lynch the guy he was originally voting.

Then he tried to convince his big mafia read grack to vote his town read rayn for more information over a guy he was fine killing.

If he tried to convince me to kill you and you are town what info is he gaining other than the confirmed town killed rayn?

Jockmcplop

United Kingdom9212 Posts

June 26 2019 08:59 GMT

#860

On June 26 2019 17:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:
jock you should just believe me when i say grack is not mafia. there is simply no possibility of him being mafia.

Like I said, its not particularly relevant in the next day or so. I'll be going for a shapelog lynch regardless at this point, so grack only becomes relevant if shapelog flips town and even then ksc must die first before grack becomes a factor.