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Finland43268 Posts
On June 26 2019 14:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:
If there is a vigilante btw they should absolutely always shoot Shapelog. He flips mafia, cool, he flips town lynch Kelsier because he has to be mafia, then Pandain and jock become pretty much hard cleared and the last mafia HAS to be in me and Eywa. You will have enough days to lynch both.
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On June 26 2019 14:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:
If there is a vigilante btw they should absolutely always shoot Shapelog. He flips mafia, cool, he flips town lynch Kelsier because he has to be mafia, then Pandain and jock become pretty much hard cleared and the last mafia HAS to be in me and Eywa. You will have enough days to lynch both.
The same is true but if we shoot Kelsier first. If Kelsier is town then shape should always be lynched. , then you become pretty hard cleared etc...
Anyway I think it's the same regardless I don't care who they shoot.
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It's the same result imo. Town never loses if those two are dead by the end of tomorrow, regardless of the order.
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Finland43268 Posts
well that was scummy.....
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Who is mafia if Shapelog is mafia and Kelsier is town and we shoot Kelsier and lynch Shapelog?
Who do we lynch after that to 100% win the game?
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I keep saying the man is scum.
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Sorry I was trying to let you do your stuff Rayn. I'll shut the heck up again.
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On June 26 2019 16:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Who is mafia if Shapelog is mafia and Kelsier is town and we shoot Kelsier and lynch Shapelog?
Who do we lynch after that to 100% win the game?
Eywa and Grack, whatever order.
town never loses.
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Meh i kinda lied a bit but Pandain you need to explain why would you EVER want to shoot Kelsier over Shapelog in case you agree that shooting Shapelog results in either killing mafia or town winning, regardless of what Kelsier is?
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On June 26 2019 17:01 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2019 16:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Who is mafia if Shapelog is mafia and Kelsier is town and we shoot Kelsier and lynch Shapelog?
Who do we lynch after that to 100% win the game? Eywa and Grack, whatever order. town never loses.
and how are you going to sell this to people when there is you and jock who arent actually confirmed town by any means anymore?
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jesus christ my head.
Okay yes if people are idiotic and lynch me or think that somehow jock is mafia people can lose.
But in your argument, what happens if SL is mafia and Kelsier is town? Same exact scenario
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Dude there is literally no difference between the plans. If you have a problem with "my" plan it is also a problem with "your" plan
Both SL and Kelsier will be dead by the end of tomorrow. At that point, our plans are identicical. And we both agree they should be vig/shot.
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On June 26 2019 17:07 Pandain wrote:
jesus christ my head.
Okay yes if people are idiotic and lynch me or think that somehow jock is mafia people can lose.
But in your argument, what happens if SL is mafia and Kelsier is town? Same exact scenario
no, what happens is we shot mafia.
it's not the same exact scenario because in the other one we are using a lynch and a day phase to get onto (possibly) the same scenario where we could be after night phase before. Also if shapelog would flip town the game is effectively solved.
Shooting shape:
- kill mafia
- kill town -> game solved
Shooting Kelsier:
- kill mafia
- kill town -> game not solved
simple
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Ok so if Shape is town, then how is game solved
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On June 26 2019 17:15 Pandain wrote:
Ok so if Shape is town, then how is game solved
If shape = town, KSC is mafia, you and me both become conftown and the rest is easy
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if you shoot kelsier and he is town yeah you always lynch shape.
but the thing is, he flips scum, and even if you consider me not being mafia with shape (which you should), you have situation of 6v1 at the start of N2 and you/eywa/jock unconfirmed.
that's not a clear cut win. what i am offering is either a shot on mafia (which is at best "the same" with kels/shape) or a straight up win (if you shoot shape), IN CASE you believe there was no 2 active mafia during eod, which you do.
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On June 26 2019 17:18 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2019 17:15 Pandain wrote:
Ok so if Shape is town, then how is game solved If shape = town, KSC is mafia, you and me both become conftown and the rest is easy
this
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Explain it in depth.
1. We Shoot Shape.
A. He's mafia. Great. Game not solved but we are likely to win.
b. He's Town. KSC is mafia and we lynch him. Game is solved here. Jock and I are confirmed town.
2. We Shoot KSC
a. He's Mafia. Game is solved here. Jock and I are confirmed town.
B. He's town. Shape is mafia. Great. Game not solved but we are likely to win.
Is this right or what am I missing.
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