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raynpelikoneet
Finland43269 Posts
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
On June 26 2019 04:12 Fecalfeast wrote: vote count day 1 Alakaslam: (3) eversince, holyflare, Trfel Shapelog: (2) raynpelikoneet, Eversince: (0) KelsierSC: (2) Grackaroni: (0) Raynpelikoneet: (1) Pandain: (0) Not Voting: Alakaslam Shapelog KelsierSC Strong town reads on Rayn and Jock. That leads the last four possible scum to be Grack, Eywa, Shape, and Kelsier. I'm going to move Grack to town because besides that god-awful claim he's been pretty towny. Slam made a post on Eywa after he died that I don't think he would have made if Eywa was mafia. On June 26 2019 06:08 Alakaslam wrote: Mindmeld eywa a little. Was early at this point though. Even though its guarded in conditioners, I don't think Slam picks a mafia post to just +1 to. So that leaves Shape and Kelsier. I'm going to say that all of Slam, Shape, and Kelsier were all mafia and that ironically we were always going to lynch mafia. | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
On June 26 2019 16:03 raynpelikoneet wrote: a person you wanted to flip Objectively not true, I was defending you against HF and Eywa. I'll just repeat it one last time. I had a strong town read on you. I had a near-certain town read on Slam. Slam was AFK and could have no associative tales, you were active and had many people interacting with you. Your death would be more meaningful. With one minute to go I tried to change the lynch to you because it was better than Slam. If you don't believe this, that's okay. I get that it's suspicious, it's why I have half a mind to just sort of AFK and let myself die. Honestly if I was you guys I would always 100% lynch me. On June 26 2019 16:06 Eversince wrote: I got around 45 minutes before dealine. Just died trying to figure out for sure where my vote should go. You toss Rayn vote out because "any other option is better"?! I pushed Kelsier. I pushed Grack. I pushed them hard. Rayn was not a lynch I wanted, it was something desperate I tried to do literally (literally!) last minute because I was near-certain Slam was town and yes, in that case, any other option is better. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43269 Posts
On June 26 2019 16:08 Pandain wrote: I'm going to move Grack to town because besides that god-awful claim he's been pretty towny. What do you think about the fact i made almost the exact claim last game for the exact same reasons Grack did? I was town. If Grack is mafia why doesn't Grack claim just "blue" which would be understandable from town pov aswell and keeps him alive better that doctor claim? If Grack is mafia why does Grack fakeclaim DOCTOR in a situation -- as you put it, "when under no pressure"? What mafia motivation there EVER is to make that sort of claim? | ||
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Eversince
Philippines2301 Posts
On June 26 2019 16:13 Pandain wrote: Objectively not true, I was defending you against HF and Eywa. I'll just repeat it one last time. I had a strong town read on you. I had a near-certain town read on Slam. Slam was AFK and could have no associative tales, you were active and had many people interacting with you. Your death would be more meaningful. With one minute to go I tried to change the lynch to you because it was better than Slam. If you don't believe this, that's okay. I get that it's suspicious, it's why I have half a mind to just sort of AFK and let myself die. Honestly if I was you guys I would always 100% lynch me. I pushed Kelsier. I pushed Grack. I pushed them hard. Rayn was not a lynch I wanted, it was something desperate I tried to do literally (literally!) last minute because I was near-certain Slam was town and yes, in that case, any other option is better. Ok, fair enough. | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43269 Posts
On June 26 2019 16:13 Pandain wrote: [...]you were active and had many people interacting with you. Your death would be more meaningful. And i am, and was, asking you to explain why, in case i flip town? | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
On June 26 2019 16:15 raynpelikoneet wrote: And i am, and was, asking you to explain why, in case i flip town? Many many people have interacted with you. That is not the case with Slam. At least with your death we could have gotten some reads on Eywa or Jock or other people. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43269 Posts
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raynpelikoneet
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Eversince
Philippines2301 Posts
On June 26 2019 16:15 raynpelikoneet wrote: And i am, and was, asking you to explain why, in case i flip town? Assuming t!Rayn why kill him off? Mafia will shoot vet/confirm town. So Grack/HF/Rayn. This is pointless. | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
On June 26 2019 16:14 raynpelikoneet wrote: What do you think about the fact i made almost the exact claim last game for the exact same reasons Grack did? I was town. If Grack is mafia why doesn't Grack claim just "blue" which would be understandable from town pov aswell and keeps him alive better that doctor claim? If Grack is mafia why does Grack fakeclaim DOCTOR in a situation -- as you put it, "when under no pressure"? What mafia motivation there EVER is to make that sort of claim? Having played mafia with Grack it's very very easily something he could have done. Like HF said, it's very unlikely there's a doctor in the first place, and if there was, mafia is pretty much screwed unless they can out the doctor. Mafia is screwed if there is a doctor because he can always protect HF who is a confirmed townie. Mafia always loses. In this (unlikely) case, trading a mafia for knowing who the doctor is - is not a bad play. If there is no doctor(most likely), then Grack can do a free fakeclaim. | ||
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Eversince
Philippines2301 Posts
On June 26 2019 16:18 Pandain wrote: Many many people have interacted with you. That is not the case with Slam. At least with your death we could have gotten some reads on Eywa or Jock or other people. Did you miss the HF case? Phoo. | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
On June 26 2019 16:18 raynpelikoneet wrote: can you give an example? Rayn I'm going to be honest with you. You may not like it but I don't like hiding or pretending stuff. I never looked into it in detail. As I have said repeatedly, you were (literally) a last minute lynch You were not a person that I heavily analyzed and thought I am confident I could go and find examples now and I'm sure I could find them, but sharing that would not be an accurate representation of my thinking at the time of the lynch. All I knew is that many people have interacted with you so that I thought at least there might be some information that can be gleamed. For instance, maybe Eywa is more or less suspicious for pushing you. Maybe Jock looks better because he is defending you against HF, a confirmed town, when he could easily as scum sort of agree with you and put suspicion on rayn who is up for lynch. I play by instinct sometimes, especially in these EoD scenarios. It's attested to by the fact that nearly every EoD I try and lead a counter-lynch or push someone else. You know this from my play as town. When I voted to lynch you with literally 30 seconds to go, it was not based on a detailed analysis of "oh we will know x and y and z and because of that x and z." It was rather "Rayn is probably town but maybe not, and he at least has been active with other people so maybe we can find some information" | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
He's confirmed town though so that information is not really useful. We already know HF's alignment | ||
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Eversince
Philippines2301 Posts
On June 26 2019 16:20 Pandain wrote: Having played mafia with Grack it's very very easily something he could have done. Like HF said, it's very unlikely there's a doctor in the first place, and if there was, mafia is pretty much screwed unless they can out the doctor. Mafia is screwed if there is a doctor because he can always protect HF who is a confirmed townie. Mafia always loses. In this (unlikely) case, trading a mafia for knowing who the doctor is - is not a bad play. If there is no doctor(most likely), then Grack can do a free fakeclaim. Why m!Grack in the first place then? I did talk to you about it. | ||
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Pandain
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43269 Posts
On June 26 2019 16:20 Pandain wrote: Having played mafia with Grack it's very very easily something he could have done. Like HF said, it's very unlikely there's a doctor in the first place, and if there was, mafia is pretty much screwed unless they can out the doctor. Mafia is screwed if there is a doctor because he can always protect HF who is a confirmed townie. Mafia always loses. In this (unlikely) case, trading a mafia for knowing who the doctor is - is not a bad play. If there is no doctor(most likely), then Grack can do a free fakeclaim. This does make some sense, i mean in a way that you could actually think this as town. Some things: - While HF is confirmed town he can still be wrong and he is defi-fucking-nitely wrong there - It's not unlikely there is a doctor because the setup already playerwise is missing 2 townies to standard 10v3, aka it's heavily mafia favored, there is actually VERY likely to be a protective role aka vet/doc/jailer - Mafia is not screwed if there is a doctor, who cares if HF lives to D2? Mafia can just assume doc will protect HF (which the doc should unless HF is throwing) and shoot HF N2. - Trading a mafia for D1 claimed doc is terrible play, also if grack is mafia and there is actually a real doctor they should never counter-claim, just protect HF and then you TRADED MAFIA FOR NO DOCTOR on D2!!!!!! That's even more terrible play. | ||
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Eversince
Philippines2301 Posts
On June 26 2019 16:25 Pandain wrote: He's confirmed town though so that information is not really useful. We already know HF's alignment He's confirmed town so ignore what informations he made? Then start a shitfight with Rayn about how no one interacted with him.. Right after you ignore all that came from the case from HF is not relevent. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43269 Posts
On June 26 2019 16:25 Pandain wrote: Rayn I'm going to be honest with you. You may not like it but I don't like hiding or pretending stuff. I never looked into it in detail. As I have said repeatedly, you were (literally) a last minute lynch You were not a person that I heavily analyzed and thought I am confident I could go and find examples now and I'm sure I could find them, but sharing that would not be an accurate representation of my thinking at the time of the lynch. All I knew is that many people have interacted with you so that I thought at least there might be some information that can be gleamed. For instance, maybe Eywa is more or less suspicious for pushing you. Maybe Jock looks better because he is defending you against HF, a confirmed town, when he could easily as scum sort of agree with you and put suspicion on rayn who is up for lynch. I play by instinct sometimes, especially in these EoD scenarios. It's attested to by the fact that nearly every EoD I try and lead a counter-lynch or push someone else. You know this from my play as town. When I voted to lynch you with literally 30 seconds to go, it was not based on a detailed analysis of "oh we will know x and y and z and because of that x and z." It was rather "Rayn is probably town but maybe not, and he at least has been active with other people so maybe we can find some information" I know you didn't and i might even believe you. | ||
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