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On June 26 2019 16:29 Eversince wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2019 16:25 Pandain wrote:On June 26 2019 16:20 Eversince wrote:On June 26 2019 16:18 Pandain wrote:On June 26 2019 16:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 26 2019 16:13 Pandain wrote:
[...]you were active and had many people interacting with you. Your death would be more meaningful. And i am, and was, asking you to explain why, in case i flip town? Many many people have interacted with you. That is not the case with Slam. At least with your death we could have gotten some reads on Eywa or Jock or other people. Did you miss the HF case? Phoo. He's confirmed town though so that information is not really useful. We already know HF's alignment He's confirmed town so ignore what informations he made? Then start a shitfight with Rayn about how no one interacted with him.. Right after you ignore all that came from the case from HF is not relevent.
No you're misunderstanding.
I said: we might be able to get information on other people's alignments based on rayn's death. I pointed out eywa and jock.
You then asked me, "aren't you ignoring HF's case"
My response is: We don't need any information on HF's alignment. He is already confirmed town. If Rayn is town, great, HF was wrong. If Rayn is mafia - great, HF was right. It's not meaningful info because he's already town.
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On June 26 2019 16:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2019 16:20 Pandain wrote:On June 26 2019 16:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 26 2019 16:08 Pandain wrote:
I'm going to move Grack to town because besides that god-awful claim he's been pretty towny. What do you think about the fact i made almost the exact claim last game for the exact same reasons Grack did? I was town. If Grack is mafia why doesn't Grack claim just "blue" which would be understandable from town pov aswell and keeps him alive better that doctor claim? If Grack is mafia why does Grack fakeclaim DOCTOR in a situation -- as you put it, "when under no pressure"? What mafia motivation there EVER is to make that sort of claim? Having played mafia with Grack it's very very easily something he could have done. Like HF said, it's very unlikely there's a doctor in the first place, and if there was, mafia is pretty much screwed unless they can out the doctor. Mafia is screwed if there is a doctor because he can always protect HF who is a confirmed townie. Mafia always loses. In this (unlikely) case, trading a mafia for knowing who the doctor is - is not a bad play. If there is no doctor(most likely), then Grack can do a free fakeclaim. This does make some sense, i mean in a way that you could actually think this as town. Some things: - While HF is confirmed town he can still be wrong and he is defi-fucking-nitely wrong there - It's not unlikely there is a doctor because the setup already playerwise is missing 2 townies to standard 10v3, aka it's heavily mafia favored, there is actually VERY likely to be a protective role aka vet/doc/jailer - Mafia is not screwed if there is a doctor, who cares if HF lives to D2? Mafia can just assume doc will protect HF (which the doc should unless HF is throwing) and shoot HF N2. - Trading a mafia for D1 claimed doc is terrible play, also if grack is mafia and there is actually a real doctor they should never counter-claim, just protect HF and then you TRADED MAFIA FOR NO DOCTOR on D2!!!!!! That's even more terrible play.
1. Yeah 100% true, in fact he might be even more deadly because he's town so people are likely to believe him when he's wrong.
2. And sure, there might be a protective role. It's likely imo there's a veteran or jailor or something. I just don't think it's medic for reasons stated.
3. I don't know, if I was mafia I would always be terrifed of shooting HF because he is always the most likely medic save every time. Not just day 1.
4. I didn't think about that. Would be good idea.
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On June 26 2019 16:31 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2019 16:29 Eversince wrote:On June 26 2019 16:25 Pandain wrote:On June 26 2019 16:20 Eversince wrote:On June 26 2019 16:18 Pandain wrote:On June 26 2019 16:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 26 2019 16:13 Pandain wrote:
[...]you were active and had many people interacting with you. Your death would be more meaningful. And i am, and was, asking you to explain why, in case i flip town? Many many people have interacted with you. That is not the case with Slam. At least with your death we could have gotten some reads on Eywa or Jock or other people. Did you miss the HF case? Phoo. He's confirmed town though so that information is not really useful. We already know HF's alignment He's confirmed town so ignore what informations he made? Then start a shitfight with Rayn about how no one interacted with him.. Right after you ignore all that came from the case from HF is not relevent. No you're misunderstanding. I said: we might be able to get information on other people's alignments based on rayn's death. I pointed out eywa and jock. You then asked me, "aren't you ignoring HF's case" My response is: We don't need any information on HF's alignment. He is already confirmed town. If Rayn is town, great, HF was wrong. If Rayn is mafia - great, HF was right. It's not meaningful info because he's already town.
Okok, to make sure I get it.
Lynch anyone other than Slam (townread). Ignore the fact Rayn might actually be t!Rayn. If he gets mislynch the information is still useful than actually trying to kill mafia?
Pand I was trying to be nice but I'm super sure your mafia.
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Lynching anyone regardless of alignment is just poor.
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I'm tunneling on him so bad but I think he is scum right now.
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On June 26 2019 16:37 Eversince wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2019 16:31 Pandain wrote:On June 26 2019 16:29 Eversince wrote:On June 26 2019 16:25 Pandain wrote:On June 26 2019 16:20 Eversince wrote:On June 26 2019 16:18 Pandain wrote:On June 26 2019 16:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 26 2019 16:13 Pandain wrote:
[...]you were active and had many people interacting with you. Your death would be more meaningful. And i am, and was, asking you to explain why, in case i flip town? Many many people have interacted with you. That is not the case with Slam. At least with your death we could have gotten some reads on Eywa or Jock or other people. Did you miss the HF case? Phoo. He's confirmed town though so that information is not really useful. We already know HF's alignment He's confirmed town so ignore what informations he made? Then start a shitfight with Rayn about how no one interacted with him.. Right after you ignore all that came from the case from HF is not relevent. No you're misunderstanding. I said: we might be able to get information on other people's alignments based on rayn's death. I pointed out eywa and jock. You then asked me, "aren't you ignoring HF's case" My response is: We don't need any information on HF's alignment. He is already confirmed town. If Rayn is town, great, HF was wrong. If Rayn is mafia - great, HF was right. It's not meaningful info because he's already town. Okok, to make sure I get it. Lynch anyone other than Slam (townread). Yes Ignore the fact Rayn might actually be t!Rayn Not ignore the fact, just realistically acknowledge that I am more confident Slam is town than Rayn. If he gets mislynch the information is still useful than actually trying to kill mafia? No, you're either misunderstanding me or understanding from your own perspective. This is your interpetation because you voted Slam and thought there was a chance he's mafia. From my perspective, they are both likely town. Assuming that's true, it would still be better to lynch Rayn because that information gleaned from his death would be at least marginally more useful than a slam lynch. Pand I was trying to be nice but I'm super sure your mafia.
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On June 26 2019 16:40 Eversince wrote:
I'm tunneling on him so bad but I think he is scum right now.
"super sure"
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On June 26 2019 16:40 Eversince wrote:
I'm tunneling on him so bad but I think he is scum right now.
Well you've been doing that since early day 1 so it's not anything new 
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Pand, I'm going to let this rest. We have bunches of time left before another lynch. I'm tunneling real bad. What's your current reads?
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On June 26 2019 16:41 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2019 16:40 Eversince wrote:
I'm tunneling on him so bad but I think he is scum right now. Well you've been doing that since early day 1 so it's not anything new
You give me terrible feelings  .
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On June 26 2019 16:43 Eversince wrote:
Pand, I'm going to let this rest. We have bunches of time left before another lynch. I'm tunneling real bad. What's your current reads?
Oh my god this is like talking to bugs last game. I have literally talked about this in the past page.
I am not the type of person to repeat information.
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Yes but you get people (like me) who rather ask again then trying to find it. I hope you can humor me!
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I'd ask about Bug but I'll do it post game since it is not relevant.
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On June 26 2019 16:08 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2019 04:12 Fecalfeast wrote:vote count day 1 Alakaslam: (3) eversince, holyflare, Trfel Shapelog: (2) raynpelikoneet, grackaroni grackaroni Eversince: (0) grackaroni, eywa-KelsierSC: (2) Pandain, Jockmcplop, jockmcplop eversince pandain Grackaroni: (0) Holyflare Jockmcplop PandainRaynpelikoneet: (1) Holyflare eywa- eywa- holyflarePandain: (0) Eywa-Not Voting:Alakaslam Shapelog KelsierSC Strong town reads on Rayn and Jock. That leads the last four possible scum to be Grack, Eywa, Shape, and Kelsier. I'm going to move Grack to town because besides that god-awful claim he's been pretty towny. Slam made a post on Eywa after he died that I don't think he would have made if Eywa was mafia. Show nested quote +On June 26 2019 06:08 Alakaslam wrote:On June 24 2019 10:40 Eywa- wrote:
I'm good with quicklynching Pandain or Eversince Mindmeld eywa a little. Was early at this point though. Even though its guarded in conditioners, I don't think Slam picks a mafia post to just +1 to. So that leaves Shape and Kelsier. I'm going to say that all of Slam, Shape, and Kelsier were all mafia and that ironically we were always going to lynch mafia.
I think either of Shape or Kelsier should be vig'd and then we lynch the other one.
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If both shape and kelsier are dead by the end of tomorrow I don't see town ever losing.
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Why should Kelsier possibly be vigged over Shape?
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Well I think Kelsier is more scummy. You and I have obviously disagreed on this and think Shape is more scummy (who I am more null on).
But I agree that regardless of whoever get's vigi'd the other one should be lynched.
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On June 26 2019 16:50 Pandain wrote:
Well I think Kelsier is more scummy. You and I have obviously disagreed on this and think Shape is more scummy (who I am more null on).
But I agree that regardless of whoever get's vigi'd the other one should be lynched.
I dont care which one is more scummy, i posted a vig shape plan a couple of pages ago. Why do you disagree it always ends up in either Shape being mafia or town always winning?
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