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Mocsta
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On March 04 2019 12:16 Oatsmaster wrote: This is interesting because Oats is doing exactly what Rayn accused acro of NOT DOING.logical doesnt necessarily mean town though, especially of Sent is town. Why is this a town read Palmar? Pushing your scum read to the mayor candidate. damn... im really starting to consider an acro lynch is best wagon for d4 | ||
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Alakaslam
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CHUPAZI RETURNS AGAIN YOU SEE NOT WITH THE EYES BUT I see far, kinda, but I don’t see much tbh | ||
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Rels
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On March 11 2019 08:35 Tictock wrote: Boom! Ty for giving me the lynch I asked for town! Time for a bit of tinfoil before I read what I missed: This probably means Rel's role shit would be mafia related as it is the most likely way that Mafia would recruit a traitor. However I don't really think role related reads work very well and I kinda now heavily suspect Rels due to some other stuff (such as calling Chez v Ace as Scum v Scum, when I noted the EoD felt dead and possibly meant TvT). Actually it's probably dinner time for me and then will come back to this game tonight. Need to think as well because Sent being a traitor could mean he didn't know anything about the full mafia team, which makes my earlier conclusion of him flipping scum clearing Ace possibly moot. I thought Chez v Ace were SvS because I thought both Chez and Ace were scum, and because a lot of lurkers didn't vote | ||
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Rels
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On March 11 2019 08:43 Vivax wrote: This seems plausible. If Rels picks a townie, it's a new qt. If Rels picks the traitor, he gets access to the mafia qt. He picked tina N1 cause idk, and apparently rayn N2 maybe because of this post. that only makes sense if you think rayn wasn't shot by scum | ||
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Mocsta
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On March 05 2019 02:44 Oatsmaster wrote: LOLI dropped hf for now because He’s gonna dig his own hole later if he’s mafia and if he’s town he gets shot so win win #WISDOM Only, it didnt pan out as you meant lol | ||
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Mocsta
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On March 04 2019 06:53 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Voted Holyflare as mayor. Of the people running he has clearly stated what he is going to do and thus if he doesn't you can hold him accountable. Hes also given far more content to look at than the other front runner. On March 04 2019 12:30 Oatsmaster wrote: This doesnt read as scum to scumHey BC, so lets say HF is mafia and lynches Sent who is whatever alignment, how does that help us figure out Holyflare's alignment? It seems to me like you want to vote for HF not because hes town necessarily, but that the Mayoral vote can help us confirm his alignment. Can you explain that further? Later we get this: On March 05 2019 02:25 Oatsmaster wrote: [.. Responder to Acro case on iamp] Cobbler's one (or two?) posts at the time seemed solidly townie, but there just wasn't enough content. How is this a problem? This lines up quite well with Oats world. After reading rest of his filter, he does say (to me actually) after HF dies, he woudl go to Ace. Oats is back in my town circle, pretty consistent filter and I love his Day1. I really struggle to see a scummer jump between things so much, and then lock down on something (i.e. Acro). I didnt understand why he dropped his read on acro, but I suspect its probably more to do with the HF debacle. so meh. moving onto BC filter now. | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9387 Posts
On March 02 2019 20:50 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Gut feeling, this makes me think Chez is town.As I said before. I have night continental shifts so my activity this weekend will be sporadic. Current reads that matter. Rsoultin Iamperfection Chezinu Now to go into the why. Iamperfection has literally done nothing so far this game thus far. He accused chez for posting to post while providing next to - content in his own posts. The one post he makes where he outlines a "read" he doesn't go into it at all then back burners it to harass someone for not playing at the level he wants. I also hate people who talk about what any power role should do day 1 (actively talking about vig shots) as that leads to the potential of power roles outing themself to be sniped by mafia. Rsoultin. The guy accuses a player (Chezinu) of posting fluff rp posts that provide no content. This post specifically screams at every core of my being. Chezinu is a known quantity to RP in mafia games. Hes literally done it in some capacity in basically every game I can remember playing in with him. He always provides some form of content in said posts. He has literally given reads on players, and has been providing actual content without RP for a fucking change. Chez has clearly been doing more to push some form of conversation on players to force them to voice opinions. Clearly done more to help this game than most to this point. Yes the guy has had some shit posts, but hes also playing the game seriously. My theory is this: BC didnt want to lie about 3 alignments - I really think most ppl playing scum want to avoid this and so, we know iamp and rsoultin already.... He knew Chez was town; has that old-boy familiarity. So this lines up quite well with "stretching the legs and warming up". After all, its been a while since he played scum i assume? Thoughts? | ||
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Mocsta
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is he that type of guy to chainsaw defend? hmmmm. I will have to reread his stuff with HF. Will leave that above post as null for now. | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9387 Posts
On March 02 2019 21:08 BloodyC0bbler wrote: This gives me some town vibes on Vivax.To also add on to Vivax's point about conversion as a point of context. As Mafia I have more than once bussed my team so that when I died people would ignore all my analysis / reads of who I thought was mafia and pick people I avoided talking about etc... Its led to more wins than it ever should have. Causing chaos / a nice cover for your team is never playing against your win con if you are mafia. Also he said he wanted to lynch Trfel for lying then proceeded to lie himself -_- Mainly because hes riding on Vivax coattails, so when the mislynch happens, its vivax. This is not a beneficial scum to scum comment in my opinion. | ||
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Ace
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1 Normal Vigilante (1 shot) - Tumbleweed 1 Lurker Vigilante (Can only target players that had less than 5 posts previous day) - Arcofales Mad Hatter with 1 bomb - Fecalfeast Mad Hatter - Chezinu Day Vigilante - Pandain Known roles: Marv = Cop Trfel = Doctor Palmar = Backup Cop iamperfection = Veteran BC = Scum Roleblocker With a closed set up we don't know role numbers, but some things we can surmise. I've stated these concerns in earlier posts but I want to keep this stuff on people's minds. Most of my thoughts come from how I see a balanced game. This is usually from the idea that Scum doesn't really need much power in their roles to destroy the town. When I see lots of high powered Town Roles I assume scum is compensated somehow. With what we know right now the Town has a shit ton of KP even if it's 1 shot. We have 5 KP plus the lynch. This isn't really that outlandish on the surface because we started with 36 players. But if we're walking around with that much KP look at what's missing - we've had 1 Doctor flip, and 1 cop flip. The backup cop doesn't count as an investigation role because it does nothing until the cop flips. That means in addition to veteran we've seen 2 protective roles and ONE active investigation role included with 8? total KP, 3 of which are guaranteed to hit Town and come with a role blocker. No one has come out with any information on night investigations. I highly doubt we only had one information role so someone is holding onto something. This again gives the Town massive power vs the only known Scum role of RB. So I just don't buy all of these claims. Pandain's Day Vigi claim seems credible to me. Scum having a Day Vigi when they already have 3 KP doesn't match with what we know so far. I'm supposing mods know about the self-confirmation power of normal vigilantes and how shooting during the day boosts that even more. TW hasn't been counter claimed on the BC shot. Almost confirmed town. FF and Chez's claims can't be confirmed w/o rolecop or death lol. Both of them being hatters and Town is just wtf. But luckily these claims coincide with the problem role imo: Acro's lurker vigilante. I've never seen this role afaik remember. When I first saw it I was like oh shit what a great concept! But then I kept thinking about it and it just doesn't seem to fit at face value. Remember, one of the issues with vigilantes is they are Town aligned but their KP can also hit Town. MAfia doesn't have this issue as they know their teammates and their KP will always hit Town. So Acro is a Town aligned vigilante and gets to shoot people based on lurking conditions. First, the mods would have to know the issue that comes up if only Town satisfies that condition. You'd have a town aligned vigilante becoming completely anti-Town and killing teammates. Sure, they may want to give players control of dealing with lurkers and we can look at Acro as a mod tool. But, post count isn't a sub for post quality. They'd quickly realize that a potentially valuable pro-Town player would be screwed. However, this isn't the only problem with the role for me. Damdred + Chezinu + Pandain. Those were his choices Night 2. I highly, highly doubt if this role is true it would drop only Town players into his cross hairs. It would be a strictly anti-town role and we would have to lynch him anyway unless you believe he only has 1 shot. If his role is true Acro should have thought hard about some of this and immediately railroaded Chez or Pandain. And if Pandain is town confirmed day vigilante, this means Chezinu has to be scum. Anyone believing Acro's claim should want Chezinu lynched soon. Let's see how the night plays out and who comes out with a claim tomorrow. | ||
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Mocsta
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my thoughts are (1) Chez is town (2) Ace is not mafia (No idea if town though) + Show Spoiler [BC notes] + On March 02 2019 20:58 rsoultin wrote: What are your reads that don't matter BC? On March 02 2019 21:01 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Why the hell would I post a read that doesnt matter? If i don't have someone directly pinned as green/red they are neutral until a) I have time to filter dive them and get a better idea of a read b) They do something that pushes them one way or the other. Talking about my "42%" chance to be scum read as an example serves basically no fucking point. On March 02 2019 21:06 rsoultin wrote: lol you sound angry. So we're your only reads. Cool. Would have expected that rather than 'only important' reads, but whatevs. When you get some more I might be able to make a judgement call on you beyond we clearly do not see the game the same way. And, to be fair, I get why people aren't townreading Iam but whatever I'm gonna be the hipster. I can also see you not getting the nuances I'm talking about with Chez. I can even perhaps see me either being wrong on Chez's contributions even while trolling. So the only real thing you've given me is being pretty defensive for seemingly no reason when I just asked you a question. On March 02 2019 21:11 BloodyC0bbler wrote: TBH I am a fairly aggressive player. I tend to sound angry all the time or sound like an asshole. Its how I've more or less always played / argued. And yes as of the moment those are the reads I can say id commit to based on what I've been provided. Catching up on 16 pages of content after a 12 hour shift sucks. BC filter dosent give me that much concrete to work with; so kudos to him. I still think he used Chez as a legit platform to launch into iamp. I base this on him going after HF later on, whilst sticking with his iamp read coupled with this post: On March 03 2019 02:49 Alakaslam wrote: None has a deeper nostalgia, a wider memory, a greater appropriateness for this game. I scumread chezinu but I want him the last member alive. He has earned that distinction. On March 03 2019 05:32 BloodyC0bbler wrote: I just dont see BC sticking up for Chezinui like this. Ironicaly, I can see him calling out Slam like this. Its just a gut feeling based on his personality style.Explain this jesus fuck. I do not care that Slam says he is low hanging fruit. The guy literally just said this is my scum read but im not going to lynch him. At first I thought BC was coaching scum!acro because of the end bit. But I thought about it more, and BC seems to actually want sentinel dead - probably assumed he was town. Because of the vindiction and the delivery of "honestly.. bad townie" I struggle to see this as scum to scum interaction - so big town points to acro. On March 04 2019 06:17 Acrofales wrote: I'm here and caught up. There's a few posts in specific that I want to respond to, but in general: 1. Iamp is an idiot. He makes a case on me every game and it's always really bad. I will respond in more detail when I get to it, but his whole case is dumb. For starters, neither sicklucker nor oats are lurkers. Moreover, I quite obviously excluded the real lurkers. I want to kill the people who are popping into the thread, not contributing and fucking off. Not the people who weren't here at all. Iamp wanting to lynch me for dumb shit isn't new, and he's always wrong. He eats out of my hand when I'm scum and wants to lynch me when I'm town. And this is all I remember about him from 5 years ago. It's always fun. I'll decide later whether this was a scummy push, though. He hasn't done much of use other than his "case" on me, whcih he started before I had even gotten into this thread proper. Anyway, I don't think he is a good lynch target for D1. He usually starts to see the light eventually when he's town, and if he isn't, we can kill him tomorrow. Better stuff to do today. 2. No longer want to kill Sent. But the reason Palmar gets the votes is because he was clear and concise about his aims, whereas HF had many different goals. Now that sent claims he read his PM, and has actually started playing a bit, I don't think he's a good kill anymore. @Palmar: do you still plan on murdering sent? 3. I'm still quite happy with Palmar for mayor, his posts have been townie enough for me and I trust him to find scum a lot more than I do HF. 4. Lets lynch Oats. I'm on board with damdred, but he promised to contribute in 10 mins, so I'll give him until then. Oats has given no sign he has read the thread beyond looking for stuff to troll and throw out random names. Grackaroni has managed to look a bt more townie in his posts today. He pulled himself together and he is totally buddying me and I'm falling for it. Deal with it. On March 04 2019 06:34 BloodyC0bbler wrote: What the fuck is this post. I honestly for most of this time thought you were just a bad townie but like the fuck is this shit? You don't want to kill the policy lynch in a few hours because the guy claims to have read his pm then aside from one post has done dick fuck all. You then say you want Palmar as mayor over HF because you trust Palmar over HF to find mafia. Why? What reason do you have that Palmar will do a better job. Also to iterate what other people have said. HF wants to lynch Oats just like you do..... for fuck sakes dude. This on the other hand I dunno how to read its so buddy buddy. I cant tell if its BC walking on eggshells around ace or two scum-buddies awkwardly exchanging. Given, ace immediately called out BC, im actually leaning towards eggshells (i.e. ace comes out with town lean due to thsi) On March 05 2019 08:55 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Simple Ace. I just finished my long week of work and have shit availability for it. When I went to bed things hadn't flipped to what they were when I woke up. Clearly at that point I need to come in and attempt to stop or at least weigh in on events I disagree with? Hell you have been around all day and have barely weighed in on anything yet have parked your vote on HF. Why do you want Palmar offed? What was it about his play that made you believe he is scum given that you haven't said why you believe it. The next cycle we get: On March 06 2019 18:43 Mocsta wrote: whats ur read on ace He calls u scumclobber On March 06 2019 18:47 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Again, at first im thinking hes protecting ace, they are both scum.TBH I think he looks like shit. But I tend to have a hard time reading Ace and usually want to off him because his scum play fucked me hard ages ago. As I am pre disposed to always killing him I am giving him into today to give me more to work with. but i think abuot it more and go. is BC that type of guy. I suspect hes more fearful to lynch Ace due to fallout from the mislynch; or doesnt feel confident he has anything scummy to say about him (i.e. cant push with conviction) -> which goes again to supportinv chez is town because he needed that as a platform to push iamp/rsoultin. | ||
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Mocsta
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I agree acro is in a weird position. The role is odd, and the way hes played teh game I think is odd with the role. However, BC has an interesting interaction wtih Acro that I forgot to list in my BC summary - which I give town points for. Why do you list Chez as the fake claim, over FF? What am I missing? Also, why is the dayvig logical for town? Im not actually trying to shit on pandain as confirmed town here, i just have a couple points i need to process (1) Leading a lynch on sentinel is not necessarily a towntell, because mafia may not have even known there was a traitor (2) Shooting HF, may have been a way to score some free town cred. The problem i have with the dayvig role is how AMG played the game; however, i can see it probably leans towards town. Because if mafia, he has a QT telling him who to shoot, and all he has to do is read a filter adn become proficient in that. If town, I can see him taking it as big responsibility. I dunno, the whole thing is weird. I have talked myself into leaning it town, if not confirmed town for PoE. Perhaps revisit if hes there at end game. so scrap q on dayvig. | ||
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Ace
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On March 11 2019 11:11 Mocsta wrote: Hi Ace, I agree acro is in a weird position. The role is odd, and the way hes played teh game I think is odd with the role. However, BC has an interesting interaction wtih Acro that I forgot to list in my BC summary - which I give town points for. Why do you list Chez as the fake claim, over FF? What am I missing? Also, why is the dayvig logical for town? Im not actually trying to shit on pandain as confirmed town here, i just have a couple points i need to process (1) Leading a lynch on sentinel is not necessarily a towntell, because mafia may not have even known there was a traitor (2) Shooting HF, may have been a way to score some free town cred. The problem i have with the dayvig role is how AMG played the game; however, i can see it probably leans towards town. Because if mafia, he has a QT telling him who to shoot, and all he has to do is read a filter adn become proficient in that. If town, I can see him taking it as big responsibility. I dunno, the whole thing is weird. I have talked myself into leaning it town, if not confirmed town for PoE. Perhaps revisit if hes there at end game. so scrap q on dayvig. I probably didn't explain it well. It's not that Chez's claim is fake (I actually didn't even read the claim now that I think of it). I'm resting on the assumption that Acro can not be a town aligned killing role that would end up only pointing at Town. If his claim is true, then one of Pandain or Chez would be scum as he's already killed Damdred. And since Pandain is more probable Town than Scum with a day vigi role, that would make Chez scum by PoE. That's only for people that believe Acro has to be telling the truth and that my assumption is valid. Day Vig is logical for Town because Scum has 3 KP from what I've seen. Giving them a a day killing role that is usually Town would be extremely powerful with what they already have that we've seen. But I admit this is all based on how I would balance the game, not the mods. I agree with Point 1. However, I know I'm Town and anyone leading a lynch on Sentinel when I had that many votes is probably not scum in that place. I could have easily died. Also, the Sentinel lynch came while I was typing up my own case ie it happened independently and not of my direct influence. Doesn't mean they are confirmed town but hey are more likely Town than Scum. Of course we can also say they wanted to get any votes away from Chezinu at all costs (if Chez is Scum of course) and anyone would do because they didn't want my wagon to stall and Chez becoming a default lynch. As for Point 2 I hated Pandain's shot too. But we have to remember Pandain was out of the game and replaced in. He wouldn't necessarily have the same alignment reading change some of us had once BC died. He also plays a similar way I do and as Town WOULD shoot HF in that spot if you ignore the BC info. I don't remember when he replaced in, but the only thing I'd find fishy is if he was around Day 2 with a chance to shoot HF and never did. Meaning the BC flip spurred him into action. But overall I don't think he's scum at the moment. Good discussion tho GG @ Sentinel | ||
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Chezinu
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On March 10 2019 11:43 Chezinu wrote: WHY ARE YOU SO MAFIA!!?!!!!!! I WAS LIKE THE ONLY ONE WHO VOTED FOR YOU!! Can we kill this seed of kush? Thank you guys. You helped fulfilled the prophecy that kitaman made years ago. | ||
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On March 11 2019 11:39 Chezinu wrote: Thank you guys. You helped fulfilled the prophecy that kitaman made years ago. What prophecy you speak of the great brown? | ||
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