I think Sentinel is definitely the lynch for today. Sicklucker, he hasn't softclaimed cop. Sentinel can not be a cop in this instance regarding me. If he was, he'd tell all of us he found me red and go on with his day.
These 2 posts should give anyone pause:
On March 11 2019 00:12 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Quick dive tells me Tictock is still mafia
##Vote: Ace
On March 11 2019 00:18 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
will explain everything later
He has a town read on me yesterday. Now has a scum read on tick tock. Votes me. And will explain later? After the lynch when I flip town huh? Unless Sentinel is a cop trying to 2 for 1 and heavily believing I must be scum but has a red check on Tick Tock this makes no sense. Palmar wanting to lynch him, Scum voting HF to get Palmar lynched looks like a plausible idea of how Day 1 mayor played out. But I want to move on to something a bit more damning.
I know I weighed the Town down Day 2 with my HF push. Somehow this ignores my overwhelming reasons for why BH had to be town and was a bad lynch but people will believe what they want. I mistakenly dropped my scum read on BC and tunneled HF till it was too late. So cool - we're all on the same page to how I messed up. Now it seems I'm up for lynch because to some "I'm not Town enough".While I think outside of inactivity I haven't destroyed anything to be miscast this way, I'll do a bit of work.
First: 2 vigis + day vigi. One of them being an anti-lurk mechanism. Again, I know this is no longer considered a normal game. But it's bugging me. I also highly doubt we have only 1 active investigation role. Mafia has 3 KP AND a roleblocker. It doesn't take much for Mafia to counter town PRs in general, but that much KP when we've also seen a Vet flip in addition to a role blocker. They can mow through anyone (coming back to this in a bit) and yet we've only seen 1 doc and 1 cop flip. But we have that much town aligned KP, one of which based on mechanics could end up targeting only Town aligned players? Something is off. I might just be over reacting because no one has claimed any kind of investigation and it's Day 3 but I had to let it be known.
Second: I screwed up Day 2 not really looking into the NK. But the Night 2 kills do help us clear something up. Town vigis shoot damdred and BC. Mafia shoot rsoul/rayn/WoS. We know for a fact that anti-town KP is sitting at 3 (SK possibility).
Go back to Night 1. We now know there was a scum roleblocker in BC. Some combination of 2 KP hit iamperfection or he was RB + shot. Either way it shows a concerted effort to get this guy out of the game.
Here are his posts referencing people as Scum on Day 1 that are sill alive:
Onegu
On March 05 2019 08:55 iamperfection wrote:obvious mafia what are you doing
On March 05 2019 09:44 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2019 09:43 Onegu wrote:
Dont vigi me I know I didnt do much but I am green! you need to die too
On March 05 2019 23:49 iamperfection wrote:
Onegu not caring about the lynch coming back and really only talking about Raoul is extremely scummy. Probably because he is scum
Vivax
On March 06 2019 03:11 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2019 02:59 Vivax wrote:
Basically he let BH off the hook way too easily for it to be town iamp.
"if BH doesn't get lynched TL mafia is ded"
to
'"Let's vote the guy who's going to kill Palmar" Why are you misrepresenting what happened. I screamed at every player in the game to vote bh. It's clear I'm town and you not being able to see that is extremely confusing as we've played a few games together. My play is basically the opposite of my scum play in this game
Now of these 2 Vivax would be my best guess. Partially because my Day 1/2 had me pushing HF, and I ended up Townreading BC and Vivax out of confirmation bias. BC flipped scum. Vivax flipping scum for "agreeing" with my arguments wouldn't be surprising at all.
However, there's a 3rd player that's really, really confusing.
On March 06 2019 03:54 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2019 03:51 Acrofales wrote:I mean, BH is gonna have to die or we're just gonna have this conversation til the end of days. But On March 05 2019 08:59 Blazinghand wrote:
Well, sorry for the poor performance guys. Exo is either more perceptive than most of you, or scum looking for post flip cred, for talking to me like I'm town. Same with Ace.
I really didn't expect the thread to balloon so much. Thabks for killing me early, this is a good plynch. Good luck everyone, and have fun! This while useless seems like a VT who doesn't want to play, and not like a scummer who doesn't want to play. He's at least dropping *some* kinda info there. Note that this was pretty much simultaneous with Conversions shenanigans, so unless they are scum together (a possibility that we shouldn't disregard and why we need the flip), BH really thought he was getting lynched here, and this is his "last words". He says nothing in that post what are you talking about. What are you reading
On March 06 2019 03:45 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2019 03:44 Acrofales wrote:On March 06 2019 03:35 iamperfection wrote:On March 06 2019 03:34 Acrofales wrote:On March 06 2019 03:14 iamperfection wrote:On March 06 2019 03:11 WaveofShadow wrote:On March 06 2019 02:58 Vivax wrote:On March 06 2019 02:51 WaveofShadow wrote:
In case it got buried,vivax you need to explain why Iamp is top scum read. I'm not finding much aside from one recent post. If I had a word to describe town iamp, it'd be something like crusader against bullshit. He played the part pretty well yesterday when BH came back into the thread, but not for long enough to warrant that name since he decided to kill Palmar by voting HF over himself instead. Well that's....pretty damning? hmm. Ok yeah going to need something from iamp on this. I can't for the life of me understand why he voted for HF. How has nobody brought this up yet? Jesus. Scummy post from you though. seems like you know hf is mafia? When did you get so bad at this game? Trying to bait me? Well. You made a big bad case on me. That was bad. Then you helped get Palmar killed for bad reasons. I even told you I went back and read his filter trying to read it as scum and couldn't, yet you just persisted and nailed him to the cross (holyflare might have dragged him up there, but you sure as shit helped hammer the nails in). So if you're town, please stop being bad. We kinda need the help. I don't trust you
And of course, iamp's only vote
On March 04 2019 03:57 iamperfection wrote:
##mayor: iamperfection
##vote: acrofales
Now this is where things are pretty crazy. There are 3 things that may be purely circumstance that paint Acro as scum.
1.) Iamp's posts and vote. Of course he was town in retrospect, but I really do believe he died for being correct about someone. The only thing that saves Acro imo is Scum having 4 conditional KP is wild. He could instead be 3rd party but let's put that on the backburner for now.
2.) On Day 2 someone asked me to read their case on Acro. I didn't find it convincing but I do faintly remember it being spoken about by others. Specifically I think it was rayne who asked me to comment on it but I didn't. Acro being anti-town and wanting them dead isn't out of the realm of possibility.
3.) That role claim. I just can't get around it existing in that form if it possibly end up targeting only Town players. One of chez/Pandain would have to be scum if his role is true. And I'd expect Acro to push one super hard off the damdred flip.
It could be purely circumstance that Acro falls into the puzzle like this but I doubt it. And reading his posts Day 2 and Day 3 they don't really scream scum that hard. Tricky shit :D
So what am I to do? I think my choices are down to Acro, Sentinel as the top 2. Vivax, Onegu needing a bit more looking through. I doubt I'll get any of them lynched as it's late into the day. But I think this is reason enough to scrutinize Acro more going forward. I think Sentinel is the most probable to flip scum at this moment and that's where my vote is going. Yes I know I can vote Chez to save myself, but Brown nation doesn't eat it's own 
##Vote Sentinel
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On March 11 2019 06:11 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2019 05:50 Rels wrote:On March 11 2019 05:48 Pandain wrote:On March 11 2019 05:18 Rels wrote:On March 11 2019 05:15 Pandain wrote:
@rels what do you think about my point about ace wanting hf vigi'd. I think he would have been very happy if a vig shot was wasted on HF instead of hitting a lynchbait like Damdred or another scum like BC. Him calling for a vig doesn't change my points about him If this is your argument, I get it. But I think Sentinel is just as guilty as this and has other scumslips. this is just a counter argument to "Ace calling a vig shot on HF makes Ace town", I don't think it makes Ace town or scum. Why I think Ace is scum is: On March 09 2019 15:27 Rels wrote:yeah I don't like Ace's filter. I'm happy he started playing for real though it will be an honor to lynch mafia god in the last TL game! The thing that shows he's scum is how he treated HF all game. Everything reeks of a mafia plan getting HF elected, then getting him lynched. We can follow it all thorough the day: First part during EOD1, voting him while not even knowing who he would lynch: On March 05 2019 05:01 Ace wrote:
@holyflare: just voted you for Mayor. I haven't fully caught up but I've been skim reading. Assuming you win the election your plan is what again? Just restate for clarity so I'm not confused or in case I missed any new developments. Second part during N1, he acts surprised that HF has lynched Palmar and begins pushing him: On March 05 2019 10:21 Ace wrote:
Well that was terrible.
@Trfel: Really wish you claimed :'(. GG tho dude/dudette.
There are no mafia doctors so vigis can shoot Holyflare at will. If he somehow does not die tonight he is an auto-lynch tomorrow.
Earlier in the thread when I was talking to HF and Wiggles, I was alluding to the fact that Hf or Palmar have to stick to their plan on the lynch (Sentinel). It would take a very convincing reason to lynch someone else. For all his talk, Palmar never came across as a strong scum read. HF lynching him instead of Sentinel or even BH means he has to die. He did not stick to his guns and did not have good reason to lynch Palmar.
side note:Would have been funny (and rage inducing) if Trfel flipped Cop and Palmar flipped back up Cop.
Anyway, we kill HF asap. No fucking around.
On March 05 2019 10:28 Ace wrote:On March 05 2019 10:24 Damdred wrote:On March 05 2019 10:21 Ace wrote:
Well that was terrible.
@Trfel: Really wish you claimed :'(. GG tho dude/dudette.
There are no mafia doctors so vigis can shoot Holyflare at will. If he somehow does not die tonight he is an auto-lynch tomorrow.
Earlier in the thread when I was talking to HF and Wiggles, I was alluding to the fact that Hf or Palmar have to stick to their plan on the lynch (Sentinel). It would take a very convincing reason to lynch someone else. For all his talk, Palmar never came across as a strong scum read. HF lynching him instead of Sentinel or even BH means he has to die. He did not stick to his guns and did not have good reason to lynch Palmar.
side note:Would have been funny (and rage inducing) if Trfel flipped Cop and Palmar flipped back up Cop.
Anyway, we kill HF asap. No fucking around.
What is this? Even I know hf stuck to his guns he wan ted to lynch palm for a long time no? Him wanting to lynch Palmar =/= good reason to switch. Third, he AFKs the start of D2. His first post when he comes back D2 is a big post on HF. Note that it's a time where HF is in the lead 9 - 4 over BH, but talks about alternative targets start being discussed for real => see the pages before page 239, BH being ofc the main other lynch. I don't know if it's really this or just a coincidence, but it sures comes at a convenient time so that HF keeps being the lynch. On March 07 2019 12:06 Ace wrote:Holyflare is Scum https://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=27283802 <---bullshit filter dive in fact, there are just too many posts that show he isn't scum hunting. It's either a lax attempt to show what someone else did wrong, asking "what should we do now?" type questions, or just filler. Outside of this, he killed Palmar. The entire reason behind my Day 1 post was to tie any mayor candidate to their lynch choice. It's not just that he didn't lynch Sentinel - if he had justifiable reasons then so be it. But he lynched Palmar and his reasoning rests on because he thought he was scum. Seriously. This guy should be the obvious lynch. How many people really thought Palmar was scum? He just did it because he could.And even if you somehow don't believe he's Scum he is clearly a net negative for the Town. He literally has done nothing - and this is coming from a guy who's been afk, caught up on only 30 pages or so and sees the nonsense plain as day. The nightkills - 3 dead. All Town. I refuse, literally refuse to think a vigilante shot any of them over Holyfield. Like it seems unfathomable that the targets would end up at Marv, Iamp, or Koshi (lol wut?). Especially with one being Vet and dying (maybe Rb + shot). If there's a third party out there, I think it goes without saying you should start shooting scum or clashing flips from now on Lastly, I saw something about marv playing cop wrong. I actually think he made himself "obvious town" or whatever you want to call it and should have drawn night protection. Especially since he was a replacement with fresh eyes into the game. Maybe we have no more docs or the kill went through somehow. Either way I think it's worth backtracking him and iamps posts (-2 nightlife means very desperate kill) especially. Then he goes on for all day, mainly talking about lynching HF. Note that he's now OK with BC, pushing HF together and referencing him in his posts. I'll elaborate about that in another part of the post - I don't think BC/Ace relationship necessarily show that they're partners, but it sure as hell don't prove they're cannot be partners. Finally, today. Mafia probably shot rayn, rsoul and WOS. Let's say they definitely shot at least 2 out of 3 to account for weird stuff like SK or whatever. They shot people that hard townread HF. At this point, Ace's narrative change - in his last big post during N3, Ace says that HF "definitely needs to be lynched whatever his alignment is". On March 09 2019 04:45 Ace wrote:
Anyone who is saying they think Holyflare is scum but won't lynch him because it's going to be too difficult and should be saved for LYLO is pretty much not worth keeping around. Cops and vigis should get their utmost attention. For whatever reasons that Holyflare will be alive Day 3, this support block needs to be eradicated. At this point I literally do not care that HF can possibly flip Town - he is detrimental to our win condition. Of course I find him funny so I would like to keep him around but I also want to win.
I think their plan was to continue pushing HF during D3 with BC. BUT BC DIES. So there goes that plan. Ace stops pushing for HF after that, and his reasonning is weird: On March 09 2019 09:03 Ace wrote:Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo BC  On March 09 2019 09:08 Ace wrote:On March 09 2019 09:06 Holyflare wrote:
Oh hey look absolutely everyone that would be defending me died and the one guy that yelled about lynching me for dumb reasons was mafia. That's cool. Some of his reasons were good. He just happened to be your scum buddy :'( On March 09 2019 09:28 Ace wrote:
Wow. Ah well. All that fun trying to lynch HF is now down the drain. On March 09 2019 11:52 Ace wrote:On March 09 2019 11:37 LightningStrike wrote:On March 09 2019 11:33 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On March 09 2019 11:24 LightningStrike wrote:Day One Final Vote Count
Mayor
Holyflare (16): Tubesock, Holyflare, rsoultin, Ace, Mr. Wiggles, Jockmcplop, Mocsta, [UoN]Sentinel, Pandain, sicklucker, raynpelikoneet, Fecalfeast, iamperfection, Damdred, ExO_, Trfel
Palmar (12): Palmar, Ticktock, Meapak_Zipphh, WaveofShadow, Grackaroni, Conversion, Alakaslam, LightningStrike, Vivax, BloodyC0bbler, Acrofales, Blazinghand
iamperfection (4): darthfoley, Tumblewood, Koshi, Oatsmaster
Chezinu (1):Chezinu
Onegu (1): Onegu
rsoultin (1): Rels
Lynch
Trfel (11): Tubesock, sicklucker, [UoN]Sentinel, Koshi, Mr. Wiggles, Tumblewood, Fecalfeast, Jockmcplop, Acrofales, Vivax, Conversion
Blazinghand (10): Holyflare, Grackaroni, iamperfection, Oatsmaster, WaveOfShadow, raynpelikoneet, Trfel, rsoultin, ExO_, LightningStrike
Conversion (3): Mocsta, Alakaslam, darthfoley
Acrofales (2): Damdred, Tictock
iamperfection (2): BloodyC0bbler, Blazinghand
Koshi (1): Ace
Fecalfeast (1): Pandain
Grackaroni (1): Meapak_Ziphh
LightningStrike (1): Rels
[UoN]Sentinel (1): Chezinu
rsoultin (1): Onegu
Mr. Wiggles (1): Palmar EoD1 votes with conrfirmed flips and claims so ya BC wasted his vote on a throwaway on iamp and town was scattered all over the place on the two lynch wagons Day 1. Ace,Pandain,MZ, Chezinu, and Onegu wasted their votes Day 1. might have a scum within those throw away votes since town was so scattered it's a safe play to do that. Both wagons were town. I don't think just from the votes you can make any inference about where the scum are. Scum know who HF is. If he's one of them it doesn't really matter who the mayor is between him and Palmar to scum because a townie gets lynched either way. If he's town it doesn't matter either but scum would have to take him at his word that he wants to lynch Palmar. Even if he did follow through on the BH lynch that's also a townie. Throwaway votes is usually scum indicating though in a TvT wagon though but I think scum is also within those 2 wagons since it's easy to blend in when it's TvT. Ya fair play about HF I wish we had a cop check on him >.< I'm thinking a cop has investigated HF by now and hasn't gotten a scum result so feels no need to claim. this last post makes no sense for 2 reasons. First, until just now HF has been a man that was probably gonna be vigd or lynched. Cops probably wouldn't bother with HF until now. Second, we already have a cop and a backup cop flipped, and 2 vigs. I don't know if it's reasonnable to suppose we have a lot more investigative role. The answer is that Ace stopped pushing HF because his helping buddy BC died, and because almost nobody else wants HF dead now. But he had to invent a reason to stop that push, and he crafted this one. Problem is that, it makes no sense 'cause it's fake.
A final point. Sent bought up the point that Ace / BC relationship make them unlikely partners. I disagree, I don't think it proves they're partners either, but nothing proves they aren't. It's true Ace attacked BC with during EOD1: On March 05 2019 08:49 Ace wrote:On March 05 2019 08:30 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Wait. I go to fucking work then sleep and come back to this clusterfuck? Why for the love of god are we lynching Palmar of all fucking people. You may hate his fucking guts right now but of all the "vet" or big name players in this game hes actually put in more effort than anyone fucking else. Do you disagree with his reads? Likely. Do I? On some of them yes. But the guy is clearly playing for the town. Have any of you guys played with him? or remember games with him? He does this shit consistently with town. He polarizes everyone in the game for or against him to get reads / generate discussion. Sometimes it may just be because hes being an asshole or believes hes better than you. So no I am not down for lynching him -_- If you were going to off an old school player at this point just to do it you'd be better served with offing Me, Ace, BH, or MZ tbh. We all have done basically nothing in comparison. We as an entire group have literally designed a day that lets mafia just slide by and do sweet fuck all and based on thread sentiment could get away with it for way way way too long. Sure you could after the fact try and harass suspects for reasons but basically everyone can regurgitate the same horseshit and you get borderline nothing. So. HF get the fuck off Palmar. You may hate his fucking guts / think hes the worlds shittiest player but the guy is clearly attempting to help the town at this point and has done far more to push that then most in this game. How about instead we look into this pool. Onegu Why? 1) Says he will be try hard. Is clearly not thus is not living up to what he said he would attempt. 2) Reads currently given have no substance to them 3) Clearly skirting by the activity requirements 4) Basically just has posts with 0 content Iamperfection I have already brought him up in my last analysis post. Basically it is very similar however to expand on it. On March 04 2019 05:40 iamperfection wrote:On March 04 2019 05:26 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
My response is more or less going to be impacted by your response to my question. i probably wont give my full reads until tomorrow. i think your probably town though cause i think your confused by my play and are trying to figure out my alignment Since I have been waiting now for awhile to see what reads he has. Let me sum it up for you. He hasn't posted any of value. Why? Because he hasnt posted any reasonable reasons. He has also asked for what? 3 vig shots now on players Someone like this whos played as long as he had know better. This isn't behaviour IMO of a townie. Its scum. This post reeks. Why would you pop up near EOD to post this? You even segregated players and faked outrage. Heavy FoS here. That turns into a kinda townread during D2: On March 07 2019 12:57 Ace wrote:On March 06 2019 10:45 Mr. Wiggles wrote:BC is a scummers. This post before deadline reeks: + Show Spoiler +On March 05 2019 08:30 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Wait. I go to fucking work then sleep and come back to this clusterfuck? Why for the love of god are we lynching Palmar of all fucking people. You may hate his fucking guts right now but of all the "vet" or big name players in this game hes actually put in more effort than anyone fucking else. Do you disagree with his reads? Likely. Do I? On some of them yes. But the guy is clearly playing for the town. Have any of you guys played with him? or remember games with him? He does this shit consistently with town. He polarizes everyone in the game for or against him to get reads / generate discussion. Sometimes it may just be because hes being an asshole or believes hes better than you. So no I am not down for lynching him -_- If you were going to off an old school player at this point just to do it you'd be better served with offing Me, Ace, BH, or MZ tbh. We all have done basically nothing in comparison. We as an entire group have literally designed a day that lets mafia just slide by and do sweet fuck all and based on thread sentiment could get away with it for way way way too long. Sure you could after the fact try and harass suspects for reasons but basically everyone can regurgitate the same horseshit and you get borderline nothing. So. HF get the fuck off Palmar. You may hate his fucking guts / think hes the worlds shittiest player but the guy is clearly attempting to help the town at this point and has done far more to push that then most in this game. How about instead we look into this pool. Onegu Why? 1) Says he will be try hard. Is clearly not thus is not living up to what he said he would attempt. 2) Reads currently given have no substance to them 3) Clearly skirting by the activity requirements 4) Basically just has posts with 0 content Iamperfection I have already brought him up in my last analysis post. Basically it is very similar however to expand on it. Show nested quote +On March 04 2019 05:40 iamperfection wrote:On March 04 2019 05:26 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
My response is more or less going to be impacted by your response to my question. i probably wont give my full reads until tomorrow. i think your probably town though cause i think your confused by my play and are trying to figure out my alignment Since I have been waiting now for awhile to see what reads he has. Let me sum it up for you. He hasn't posted any of value. Why? Because he hasnt posted any reasonable reasons. He has also asked for what? 3 vig shots now on players Someone like this whos played as long as he had know better. This isn't behaviour IMO of a townie. Its scum. He gets to come in, yell at town, and then set himself up to look vindicated if Palmar dies. No comments on any of the active wagons of which we know two (trfel, conv) were town, and says he disagrees with some of Palmar's reads without going into specifics. Very easy way to posture for 'town points' without needing to commit to anything. Besides that he's jumped on a couple other points but hasn't accomplished any real scum hunting in thread. Wiggles, not sure of the timing of the vote nor do I really disagree with this post. But I just checked the voting thread quickly and see BC has a vote on HF. Unless he finds reason to move, do you think BC + HF is a possible scum team? I also called BC scummy for the post near last EOD but outside of this do you sense scum motive from him? On March 07 2019 13:16 Ace wrote:On March 06 2019 11:33 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 06 2019 11:31 Mocsta wrote:On March 06 2019 11:24 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 06 2019 11:20 Grackaroni wrote:On March 06 2019 10:45 Mr. Wiggles wrote:BC is a scummers. This post before deadline reeks:+ Show Spoiler +On March 05 2019 08:30 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Wait. I go to fucking work then sleep and come back to this clusterfuck? Why for the love of god are we lynching Palmar of all fucking people. You may hate his fucking guts right now but of all the "vet" or big name players in this game hes actually put in more effort than anyone fucking else. Do you disagree with his reads? Likely. Do I? On some of them yes. But the guy is clearly playing for the town. Have any of you guys played with him? or remember games with him? He does this shit consistently with town. He polarizes everyone in the game for or against him to get reads / generate discussion. Sometimes it may just be because hes being an asshole or believes hes better than you. So no I am not down for lynching him -_- If you were going to off an old school player at this point just to do it you'd be better served with offing Me, Ace, BH, or MZ tbh. We all have done basically nothing in comparison. We as an entire group have literally designed a day that lets mafia just slide by and do sweet fuck all and based on thread sentiment could get away with it for way way way too long. Sure you could after the fact try and harass suspects for reasons but basically everyone can regurgitate the same horseshit and you get borderline nothing. So. HF get the fuck off Palmar. You may hate his fucking guts / think hes the worlds shittiest player but the guy is clearly attempting to help the town at this point and has done far more to push that then most in this game. How about instead we look into this pool. Onegu Why? 1) Says he will be try hard. Is clearly not thus is not living up to what he said he would attempt. 2) Reads currently given have no substance to them 3) Clearly skirting by the activity requirements 4) Basically just has posts with 0 content Iamperfection I have already brought him up in my last analysis post. Basically it is very similar however to expand on it. Show nested quote +On March 04 2019 05:40 iamperfection wrote:On March 04 2019 05:26 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
My response is more or less going to be impacted by your response to my question. i probably wont give my full reads until tomorrow. i think your probably town though cause i think your confused by my play and are trying to figure out my alignment Since I have been waiting now for awhile to see what reads he has. Let me sum it up for you. He hasn't posted any of value. Why? Because he hasnt posted any reasonable reasons. He has also asked for what? 3 vig shots now on players Someone like this whos played as long as he had know better. This isn't behaviour IMO of a townie. Its scum. He gets to come in, yell at town, and then set himself up to look vindicated if Palmar dies. No comments on any of the active wagons of which we know two (trfel, conv) were town, and says he disagrees with some of Palmar's reads without going into specifics. Very easy way to posture for 'town points' without needing to commit to anything. Besides that he's jumped on a couple other points but hasn't accomplished any real scum hunting in thread. This is plaigarism lol. Exact same word choice as Ace. On March 05 2019 08:49 Ace wrote:On March 05 2019 08:30 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Wait. I go to fucking work then sleep and come back to this clusterfuck? Why for the love of god are we lynching Palmar of all fucking people. You may hate his fucking guts right now but of all the "vet" or big name players in this game hes actually put in more effort than anyone fucking else. Do you disagree with his reads? Likely. Do I? On some of them yes. But the guy is clearly playing for the town. Have any of you guys played with him? or remember games with him? He does this shit consistently with town. He polarizes everyone in the game for or against him to get reads / generate discussion. Sometimes it may just be because hes being an asshole or believes hes better than you. So no I am not down for lynching him -_- If you were going to off an old school player at this point just to do it you'd be better served with offing Me, Ace, BH, or MZ tbh. We all have done basically nothing in comparison. We as an entire group have literally designed a day that lets mafia just slide by and do sweet fuck all and based on thread sentiment could get away with it for way way way too long. Sure you could after the fact try and harass suspects for reasons but basically everyone can regurgitate the same horseshit and you get borderline nothing. So. HF get the fuck off Palmar. You may hate his fucking guts / think hes the worlds shittiest player but the guy is clearly attempting to help the town at this point and has done far more to push that then most in this game. How about instead we look into this pool. Onegu Why? 1) Says he will be try hard. Is clearly not thus is not living up to what he said he would attempt. 2) Reads currently given have no substance to them 3) Clearly skirting by the activity requirements 4) Basically just has posts with 0 content Iamperfection I have already brought him up in my last analysis post. Basically it is very similar however to expand on it. On March 04 2019 05:40 iamperfection wrote:
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i probably wont give my full reads until tomorrow.
i think your probably town though cause i think your confused by my play and are trying to figure out my alignment Since I have been waiting now for awhile to see what reads he has. Let me sum it up for you. He hasn't posted any of value. Why? Because he hasnt posted any reasonable reasons. He has also asked for what? 3 vig shots now on players Someone like this whos played as long as he had know better. This isn't behaviour IMO of a townie. Its scum. This post reeks. Why would you pop up near EOD to post this? You even segregated players and faked outrage. Heavy FoS here. HAHAHA HOLY SHIT. Grack are you actually town? what do you think about ace though in that chained quote? I dont beleive he ever did ANYTHING with that. He didn't but it's funny how he said this: On March 05 2019 08:58 Ace wrote:
@BC: where did I say I want Palmar killed???
@trfel: I think you should seriously claim if lynch noise bout to drop. And then voted for HF lmao Yea :/. Was having this exchange with BC because I definitely did not see HF doing what he did. I actually thought Palmar had way too much sway for that move not to be met with instagib and also he didn't appear as scum to enough people for it to even be approachable. BC took my HF vote as a Palmar supported kill because he obviously believed the threat and was correct in the end. And a real townread during N2: On March 09 2019 00:18 Ace wrote:On March 08 2019 13:50 Mr. Wiggles wrote:Hey Ace, you asked me about BC but then never followed up. I'm curious about your own thoughts towards him. How are you reading BC? I'm still convinced he's scum. On March 07 2019 13:58 Mr. Wiggles wrote:We're opening up the lines, and we've already got our first caller! On March 07 2019 12:57 Ace wrote:On March 06 2019 10:45 Mr. Wiggles wrote:BC is a scummers. This post before deadline reeks: + Show Spoiler +On March 05 2019 08:30 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Wait. I go to fucking work then sleep and come back to this clusterfuck? Why for the love of god are we lynching Palmar of all fucking people. You may hate his fucking guts right now but of all the "vet" or big name players in this game hes actually put in more effort than anyone fucking else. Do you disagree with his reads? Likely. Do I? On some of them yes. But the guy is clearly playing for the town. Have any of you guys played with him? or remember games with him? He does this shit consistently with town. He polarizes everyone in the game for or against him to get reads / generate discussion. Sometimes it may just be because hes being an asshole or believes hes better than you. So no I am not down for lynching him -_- If you were going to off an old school player at this point just to do it you'd be better served with offing Me, Ace, BH, or MZ tbh. We all have done basically nothing in comparison. We as an entire group have literally designed a day that lets mafia just slide by and do sweet fuck all and based on thread sentiment could get away with it for way way way too long. Sure you could after the fact try and harass suspects for reasons but basically everyone can regurgitate the same horseshit and you get borderline nothing. So. HF get the fuck off Palmar. You may hate his fucking guts / think hes the worlds shittiest player but the guy is clearly attempting to help the town at this point and has done far more to push that then most in this game. How about instead we look into this pool. Onegu Why? 1) Says he will be try hard. Is clearly not thus is not living up to what he said he would attempt. 2) Reads currently given have no substance to them 3) Clearly skirting by the activity requirements 4) Basically just has posts with 0 content Iamperfection I have already brought him up in my last analysis post. Basically it is very similar however to expand on it. Show nested quote +On March 04 2019 05:40 iamperfection wrote:On March 04 2019 05:26 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
My response is more or less going to be impacted by your response to my question. i probably wont give my full reads until tomorrow. i think your probably town though cause i think your confused by my play and are trying to figure out my alignment Since I have been waiting now for awhile to see what reads he has. Let me sum it up for you. He hasn't posted any of value. Why? Because he hasnt posted any reasonable reasons. He has also asked for what? 3 vig shots now on players Someone like this whos played as long as he had know better. This isn't behaviour IMO of a townie. Its scum. He gets to come in, yell at town, and then set himself up to look vindicated if Palmar dies. No comments on any of the active wagons of which we know two (trfel, conv) were town, and says he disagrees with some of Palmar's reads without going into specifics. Very easy way to posture for 'town points' without needing to commit to anything. Besides that he's jumped on a couple other points but hasn't accomplished any real scum hunting in thread. Wiggles, not sure of the timing of the vote nor do I really disagree with this post. But I just checked the voting thread quickly and see BC has a vote on HF. Unless he finds reason to move, do you think BC + HF is a possible scum team? I also called BC scummy for the post near last EOD but outside of this do you sense scum motive from him? Hmm, could BC + HF be a possible scum team? I guess it's possible. I've had a town read on HF, but if that's wrong and he were to flip red, I don't think that clears BC. A bus of HF today would be pretty easy to support for scum, considering all the people lusting after his blood coming out of N1. I find BC to be a relative non-entity in this game who comes in long enough to throw around some accusations and act holier-than-thou before going to ground again. I think the exchange with Jock is a decent example of this. When Jock comes in with a weird post about HF, BC jumps on it but ends up mostly just berating Jock. BC's points don't do much to advance the case on HF itself but do allow him to blow up on what Jock is attributing as motivation to HF. Before BC came in there's been other people town reading HF, but BC doesn't try to address any of those points, instead he just hops on Jock's bad point because it's easy. For example, I'd contrast his play with yours right now. You're coming back into the thread after some time away, but you're adding comments about stuff you've read along the way. This is helpful and advances the thread. BC on the other hand comes in, plops down a post and then interacts with a couple people present in the thread (usually in a confrontational/negative way) before leaving again. It's obvious he's read the thread because he's putting forward a couple cases, but out of everything else that happens he seems to have basically no comment. It's the same old song and dance from BC today as well. We have him come in and rage about the decision to out the mason: + Show Spoiler [SanguinePie] +On March 08 2019 06:46 BloodyC0bbler wrote:What the fuck is going on in this game? I leave for a bit and the thread turns to a shit show -_- How the fuck has more or less the entire thread glossed over the fact we had Rsoultin out Rel's role because she thought he was mafia then proceeded to not seriously push him as a candidate whatsoever Then proceeded to remain voting for someone she doesn't fully believe is fucking scum. Seriously wtf is wrong with you guys. We have already had a bunch of blues flip and no one questions seriously why its ok for someone to out another players role on a gut read? IMO there is literally no reason to out rels at this point in time unless you plan to go ham on a scum read. Show nested quote +On March 08 2019 05:57 Blazinghand wrote:On March 08 2019 05:54 sicklucker wrote:
Well if we dont kill hf now hes never dying. So ill just have to asume hes town if thats happening and pray mafia nk him and reevaluate if I dont kill. I dont think we have the votes to kill him today is what im trying to say. so lets set up a side wagon to bh. But fuck I dont have enough time We only need like 3 votes on HF. please vote him and stay on him. Don't say "let's just assume he's town for no reason because he's too good at convincing people to ever be able for us to lynch him" wtf Jesus fuck. Again, this is a really easy thing to pick on as scum because it's just yelling about mechanics and 'standard play'. A bunch of stuff people seem to do now looks weird compared to how we did things in the days of yore, but it's easy even for an old dog like me to see that it's simply a different kind of meta. For BC to react like this says that he either doesn't understand that, which I doubt, or that he's simply fishing for something to comment about without needing to fake scum hunting. The other posts he makes are just more useless arguing with HF. Browbeating HF does little to advance town, even if you're convinced he's scum. It would be way more productive to either push reasons to not lynch BH or try to dismantle the defence/rationale that other posters have put forward to not lynch HF. Instead he rolls around in the mud with HF for a while before popping out of the thread. Same old stuff he's been doing for the last couple cycles. BC is a pretty solid lynch for Day 3, I'd say. We are not lynching BC @Mocsta: you are a weird player. So all over the place 😏 On March 09 2019 04:45 Ace wrote:
I've already said 2 of these people are scum. This is the BH wagon. Now we obviously know some townies are lazy or were duped into thinking this was even a good idea. I doubt anyone seriously reading this game would think BH was ever a real suspect. Myself and others echoed this during Day 2. On Day 1 I prodded BH to stay in the game not only because I have good memories of him in past games and iirc modding, but I know scum would just pile on the easy mislynch and misguided townies would follow.
I would expect BC to pick up on this because he's a very good player and of course he did. Doesn't mean he isn't scum but someone caring about the nature of the lynch is probably Town. Of course I've currently got a Town read on Vivax too. Fuck me if either of them are Scum 🤦🏼♂️.
So no, I don't think their interactions are alignment indicative by themselves, and I think them trying to push a HF lynch / vig during the whole N1 / D2 / N2 makes a lot of sense. Before I respond I want to ask: Ace why did you vote for HF and then push him later?
I didn't find his reasoning for lynching Palmar credible. I used Mayor voting as a way to tie any of the candidates to strong stance. I didn't care who got elected, I just needed something to go off of.
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