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Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
March 10 2019 21:40 GMT
#6701
@ace do u think chez or FF is scum? or neither?
good times for all
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
March 10 2019 21:40 GMT
#6702
I was under the impression that both these mad hatter claims were fake. It's a pretty crazy role.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
March 10 2019 21:42 GMT
#6703
##Unvote
##Vote: Sentinel


Jumping in closer to EoD than I'd like, but I like this lynch much better than where we were.

Also realized while digesting thoughts on the game that I was giving Rels a town pass far too easily, and need to dig into things more before I can be in anyway confident with a read on him.
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
March 10 2019 21:43 GMT
#6704
Also, I'm still like 80% sure that Wiggles and Meap are scum with those off wagon Votes.

Especially considering I don't remember them having anything to say to weigh in on the main wagons.

Which makes this...
On March 10 2019 13:27 Rels wrote:
just finished Wiggles filter and I think he's alright. He's been consistent with his activity and reads, he looks like he's having fun with his radio show (please continue it's pretty to read too ) but is not using it to hide behind RP to not play. Not the strongest read but I think he's town. If anyone thinks he's scum I would like to know why


One of the biggest issues I have with Rels atm.
I can take that responsibility.
Fecalfeast
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada11355 Posts
March 10 2019 21:44 GMT
#6705
On March 11 2019 06:40 Grackaroni wrote:
I was under the impression that both these mad hatter claims were fake. It's a pretty crazy role.


My role in my own words so as to not quote my role pm:

I have one bomb that I can place on a player at night. If I die that night, that player dies unless that player is protected or I get roleblocked. If I don't die, the bomb is returned to me. I win with town.
ModeratorINFLATE YOUR POST COUNT; PLAY TL MAFIA
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
March 10 2019 21:44 GMT
#6706
On March 11 2019 05:02 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Faithful listener LightningStrike writes in:

Show nested quote +
On March 11 2019 03:53 LightningStrike wrote:
So why is Wiggle keeping his vote on Tube when we got 2 close wagons atm?


Your host's vote on Tubesock was made because we want to lynch scum. The fact that TS has gone AFK is starting to put us off a bit like with Chezinu yesterday, but we believe our previous read is solid. Here is our collection of past Dead Zone Show clips where we talk about Tubesock:

+ Show Spoiler [Dead Zone Show Archives] +

On March 04 2019 05:49 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2019 05:41 Holyflare wrote:
On March 04 2019 05:33 Grackaroni wrote:
I think we should lynch Tubesock for this post:

On March 03 2019 18:23 Tubesock wrote:
On March 03 2019 17:52 Acrofales wrote:
Going out again til late. Let's lynch Track. If not him, at least someone in this list:
2) Fecalfeast
8) Oatsmaster
9) WaveofShadow
11) sicklucker
17) ExO_
19) [UoN]Sentinel
20) Grackaroni28) Trfel
30) Mr. Wiggles


Why isn’t Palmar, Blazinghand, Rels, onegu, pandain, darthFoley, etc on this list too? Are these that much different than straight policy lynches?

I think he asked this question to make Acro seem scummy for pushing low-content posters, and that conflicts with the way that Tubesock has been playing the game so far.

On March 03 2019 17:59 Tubesock wrote:
On March 03 2019 13:47 Tictock wrote:
Ok, I came, I saw, I did some things. Seems like ppl are not around so gunna do other things. May check in once more before bed but I am pretty sure I am not going to fully read the stuff I missed.

I'd like someone who is wanting to lynch oats to convince me why he is scum.

Similarly as to why ppl are voting HF for mayor.

If deadline was right now/soon I would push for Meap or Grack to lynch.


You know HF was going to mayor lynch [UoN]Sentinel before it was cool right? So, the difference between HF and Palmar is HF has actually played so far and given plenty of opinions. And exactly like Chezinu said, latching onto this Sentinel policy is right up Palmars alley if both were scum. And absolutely worth it. Plus Palmar doesn’t have to do anything else, talk about skating by.

Vote HF for mayor for the Sentinel kill, ##VOTE: Palmar so he actually plays. Town win wins.



On March 04 2019 01:07 Tubesock wrote:
I’m voting Trfl. Maybe he will come play.

If Tubesock is town I don't see why he should be questioning Acro's lynch choices considering his own so far.


I think this is a bad post. It's quite obvious why he questions acros posts because there's no distinction between any of those other players.

What do you think of Tubesock's deflection of my pressure earlier in the game?

Show nested quote +
On March 03 2019 06:01 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
On March 03 2019 04:41 Tubesock wrote:
On March 03 2019 04:32 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
On March 03 2019 04:25 Tubesock wrote:
On March 03 2019 04:20 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
On March 03 2019 04:05 Tubesock wrote:
There isn’t anyone I want to lynch.

If I were mayor I’d sheep Holyflare most likely for the 2nd lynch.

I'm thinking I'd like to lynch you!

Or are you making this guy mayor, Ace?


That’s fair. I can vote HF for mayor sure. I don’t see how you could get me wanting Ace mayor out of what I said.

You were one of the two names Ace threw out to make someone non-contributing mayor.

Figure you're reading closely enough to say what you'd do as mayor, which no one else had mentioned but Ace, but still don't want to put forward an opinion about anyone.

Reads scummy to me.


When I have a lynch target I’ll let everyone one know. Do you want an opinion from me?

Am I and Conversion your only scumreads? Who do you want for mayor and why?

Yeah, I'd like to see some sort of contribution from you. What makes you want to support HF for mayor? Is it a scumread on Sentinel or some kind of policy lynch? You don't make that clear.

I'm cool lynching scummy people just trying to coast by on the first day without needing to stick their necks out too much. That's people like you so far, and Conversion who's re-hashing the same argument with MZ instead of moving to anything else. Guys like Acrofales and and Sent fall into this bucket for me right now too.

I'm not super thrilled with any of the mayoral candidates so far. I like HF the most from the people who've thrown their hat in since some of our reads jive. Disagree with him about Chez, his play seems par for the course from what I remember.


I asked for some kind of read, and instead got an answer of "later". I responded to their own questions and was ignored when they returned to the thread. Their posting has been very non-committal, and they still haven't really pushed a lynch target yet. The pressure votes don't come out and say, "I think this guy is scum", but are hedged as an activity motivator.

On March 06 2019 11:28 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Tubesock fell off the face of the earth. Still scum though.

Got to pressure vote trfel near the start of the day and park the vote because the rest of us ran with a case. No posting into D2 means no pressure from the lynch fallout. Pushed the Palmar is scum thing early without needing to commit hard on it or later comment on HF's announcement of a Palmar lynch.

We've only gotten two reads out of TS on trfel and conversion and they've both flipped now. Besides that we have zero information on where their head's at, scum-hunting wise. Lurking without offering anything to town.

On March 07 2019 12:54 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Our dedicated fan Oatsmaster also writes in:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2019 02:30 Oatsmaster wrote:
On March 06 2019 21:47 Tubesock wrote:
Wiggles is funny to me. I feel like I can just take his case on me, and find/replace his name for mine and submit it with equal fervor. Plus we voted on both wagons so we can’t be too far off.

This should make wriggles town to him right because he does the exact same things as wriggles

This is a funny point that was missed on my first read through. If Tubesock thinks my play looks the same as what I've been pointing out in his, then he should probably read me similarly to his own alignment. If he thinks that makes me look like mafia, that's probably that scum guilt eating him up inside. Oats didn't let that slip slip his attention. Bravo!

On March 09 2019 19:49 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Acro writes in some thing about us having a weird interaction ewith Tubesock. We say that the distinction here is that Tubesock thinks that your faithful host's behaviour is similar to his own, but we do not agreee with that. We see TS as lacking in scum hunting or professing reads. It's D3 and we have only a faint idea of what the gentlyeperson in question actually thjinks. As town that's a pretyy big WTF. There's no reason to lay low and keep your cards close to your chest at this point. We're playing mafia, not poker. Seems way more likely to be scum motivated as not contributing reads or solving the game allows you to not get caught in a contradiction or take pressure for your views lqter on. You might take heat for not helping town out (like I've been trying to do to TS) but otherwise you can keep laying low and hope town passes over your redness.

So for Acro's point, I don't see our play as the same. That's why I can say that Ts' thing about replacing me with him in my case makes him scum. He supposedly agrees that the main thrust of what I wrote points to scum, but tries to undermine it by sayoing it could point to me as well. I don't think our play is the same, so I don't believe you can honestly do the replacement. In that case, he's just saying that his own play is scummy, but that I shouldn't gibe him crap for it since he thinks I'm doing the same, which I'm not.

Voting this guy to die



If we're looking to kill scummy lurkers, I think TS should be the #1 choice. I implore my listeners to follow my lead and vote to kill this guy. If not, they can at least argue why I'm wrong.




We have also take some time to analyse the recent motion put forward by Liquidia Town Council to execute a warrant for Ace's arrest and subsequent execution. Based on Ace's behaviour, we do not find him particularly likely to be scum. Ace's posts show that he is indeed analysing the game with the goal of solving it. This host feels that Ace is taking a lot of flak for the culture clash he induces by playing within the new Liquidia meta.

Ace plays some stuff according to a different style but then is using this to inform his reads. A perfect example of this is BC, where BC plays according to what Ace considers good town play, and so becomes a town read. The problem with this is that most of the rest of the thread spurns this type of play and so it probably throws off Ace's reads and then that portion of the town thinks he's scum because it doesn't jive with their own notions of what constitutes town play. I was around for the sort of transitional period where the game here changed from the old 2010 style to the newer more conversational/emotional/meta heavy style. As such, I can see where both sides of the players are coming from, and can also see that it's causing scum reads because of clashes in expected play.




We have also thought some more about local insane asylum escapee, Chezinu. Having graduated from proselytising on the street to making death threats against esteemed members of the town, he offers an interesting conundrum to solve. We're beginning to think he's more likely to be scum due to his reaction to the pressure placed upon him. Rather than picking up and starting to solve the game as he said he would, he instead placed his efforts into vague threats and claims at wielding a higher power. We can see where this was said earlier:

Show nested quote +
On March 05 2019 16:57 Chezinu wrote:
On March 05 2019 16:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On March 05 2019 16:47 Chezinu wrote:
rayn!!!!! YOU ARE SUPPOSE BE LIKE CHEZ IS MAFIA!!! Then force me to scumhunt!!!! Then I start making my list and we gets the mafia!!!! Whys you no answer me questions!!?

Only on D2 or after, sorry bro.

You know... have a 3 day Day 1 has really thrown off my trolling schedule. I'm use to starting to play serious at this time before getting lynch. This is when the mafia usually push for me for not making sense. Town usually gets frustrated with me a little bit too. I then start playing and proving my townieness. But it's only night 1 now instead of day 2. It's like subconsciously I've learned the boundaries of trolling this game in this forum.... It all makes sense now! Rayn! You are a genius!


I haven't seen too much of Chezinu proving their townie-ness, but have seen vague threats, weird soft claims, and some higher order meta thrown out. When we publicly questioned Chezinu on the show, it was only a short time before a letter containing a bomb threat was mailed in. Along with the letter was the following cassette tape. We must warn you, this tape contains disturbing content which may upset some of you fine citizens:

+ Show Spoiler [Disturbing Content] +







Altogether, this is enough that I'll vote for Chezinu closer to the deadline if I need to save Ace, but I'd rather we kill Tubesock.

TS isn't getting lynched today as we got 3 wagons in Ace,Sent,Chez so it going to be a wasted vote.
On March 11 2019 04:17 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
I'm sorry guys, my 3 hour airdrop sortie is dragging into its 5th hour with at least two more lifts to accomplish. I'm going to vote Wiggles. I encourage you all to join me in lynching scum.

Wiggles not the lynch either.
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
March 10 2019 21:45 GMT
#6707
Anyone else around to rock the boat on today's snooze fest Chez v Ace lynch and wanna join this Sential train for Town Glory?
I can take that responsibility.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
March 10 2019 21:45 GMT
#6708
On March 11 2019 06:44 Fecalfeast wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2019 06:40 Grackaroni wrote:
I was under the impression that both these mad hatter claims were fake. It's a pretty crazy role.


My role in my own words so as to not quote my role pm:

I have one bomb that I can place on a player at night. If I die that night, that player dies unless that player is protected or I get roleblocked. If I don't die, the bomb is returned to me. I win with town.

Oh I see so you can only kill one person right?

That's a lot less crazy than I had in mind.
Fecalfeast
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada11355 Posts
March 10 2019 21:45 GMT
#6709
I'm like the hunter from werewolf
ModeratorINFLATE YOUR POST COUNT; PLAY TL MAFIA
Fecalfeast
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada11355 Posts
March 10 2019 21:47 GMT
#6710
I'm just wondering how chezinu thought to claim mad hatter you know? Random claim for fun that awkwardly happened to have a counterclaim?
ModeratorINFLATE YOUR POST COUNT; PLAY TL MAFIA
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
March 10 2019 21:47 GMT
#6711
hey FYI for future blue's please don't reveal the exact workings of your role in the thread.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22089 Posts
March 10 2019 21:47 GMT
#6712
I still feel pretty good sheeping the dude who killed BC.
Fecalfeast
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada11355 Posts
March 10 2019 21:48 GMT
#6713
On March 11 2019 06:47 Pandain wrote:
hey FYI for future blue's please don't reveal the exact workings of your role in the thread.

I was never gettink nked anyway let's be real
ModeratorINFLATE YOUR POST COUNT; PLAY TL MAFIA
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
March 10 2019 21:48 GMT
#6714
On March 11 2019 06:40 Pandain wrote:
@ace Acro later said that he was only allowed to shoot people who had five or less posts the previous day cycle. AKA the choices were not given by the hosts.


No I get that part. What I'm saying is if only Townies satisfy the condition, you end up in a situation where a Pro-Town role is aiming KP at only Town.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
March 10 2019 21:49 GMT
#6715
On March 11 2019 06:40 Tumblewood wrote:
@ace do u think chez or FF is scum? or neither?


I don't have a read on either. I just saw FF say something about a bomb on me though lol.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
Fecalfeast
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada11355 Posts
March 10 2019 21:50 GMT
#6716
On March 11 2019 06:49 Ace wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2019 06:40 Tumblewood wrote:
@ace do u think chez or FF is scum? or neither?


I don't have a read on either. I just saw FF say something about a bomb on me though lol.

What does this even mean, did you read what I said or not?
ModeratorINFLATE YOUR POST COUNT; PLAY TL MAFIA
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
March 10 2019 21:51 GMT
#6717
Wait Chez claimed hatter? what the fuck
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
March 10 2019 21:51 GMT
#6718
Can we deal with Role stuff after deadline?

I'd rather we try and focus on lynching mafia atm.
I can take that responsibility.
Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
March 10 2019 21:51 GMT
#6719
i havr several conflicting impulses regarding chez and FF:
one is that i don't know why chez would claim hatter as mafia because it is way outta left field. potentially if there is a rolecop he found out and knew he could start a claim war but why would he start a war that he probably wouldn't win?
the second is that mafia could definitely capitalize on this weird semi-claim war and make the thread a total shitshow all day if chez and FF are town, but everyone seems to be ignoring it. if FF is scum it would be reasonable perhaps to push it but only sorta (esp. with FF saying "i could believe there are two" perhaps preserving himself if chez flips town)
third, i think FF is town from his filter, and his claim is plausible (besides him describing it as a "yolo claim" in the first claim post, which feels a little off)
in conclusion idk
good times for all
Fecalfeast
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada11355 Posts
March 10 2019 21:51 GMT
#6720
It's the only reason I claimed because he kept talking about putting bombs on people
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