On March 08 2019 05:26 LightningStrike wrote:
What's the case on him out of curiosity?
What's the case on him out of curiosity?
Open his filter and quote me a single lost that isn't him just trying to blend in.
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Acrofales
Spain17743 Posts
March 07 2019 20:27 GMT
#5421
On March 08 2019 05:26 LightningStrike wrote: Show nested quote + On March 08 2019 05:25 Acrofales wrote: On March 08 2019 05:24 LightningStrike wrote: On March 08 2019 03:50 Dandel Ion wrote: Day Two Vote Count Blazinghand (11): Mr. Wiggles, Rels, Holyflare, [UoN]Sentinel, rsoultin, AMG, Mocsta, LightningStrike, WaveofShadow, Tictock, Tubesock Holyflare (8): Acrofales, Blazinghand, sicklucker, BloodyC0bbler, Vivax, Alakaslam, Oatsmaster, Ace Ace (2): Jockmcplop, Tumblewood Acrofales (2): raynpelikoneet, Fecalfeast rsoultin (1): Onegu [UoN]Sentinel (1): Grackaroni, Damdred (1): Meapak_Ziphh Not voting (4): Damdred, Chezinu, ExO_, darthfoley Blazinghand is currently set to be lynched. Please let us know if you notice any mistakes. The deadline is Friday, Mar 08 12:00am GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in [unparsable timestamp format]. Votes outside of BH and HF seem kinda dumb espcally how spread out those votes are. Could have a mafia hiding ni there. Kill wiggles. What's the case on him out of curiosity? Open his filter and quote me a single lost that isn't him just trying to blend in. | ||
Oatsmaster
United States16627 Posts
March 07 2019 20:27 GMT
#5422
On March 08 2019 05:26 WaveofShadow wrote: I'm hoping BH is the scum here but I'm increasingly worried it's town v town. Can you pretend to be townsided here please at least wave | ||
LightningStrike
United States14276 Posts
March 07 2019 20:27 GMT
#5423
On March 08 2019 05:27 Oatsmaster wrote: Show nested quote + On March 08 2019 05:20 LightningStrike wrote: On March 08 2019 05:15 Oatsmaster wrote: On March 08 2019 05:11 rsoultin wrote: On March 08 2019 05:09 Oatsmaster wrote: On March 08 2019 05:06 rsoultin wrote: On March 08 2019 05:02 Oatsmaster wrote: On March 08 2019 04:59 rsoultin wrote: On March 08 2019 04:50 Oatsmaster wrote: On March 08 2019 04:44 Blazinghand wrote: [quote] Not to say anything that would discourage people from voting HF (and thus saving me, who I know to be town) - but presumably some people strongly TR both me and HF. I'm sure there's scum in the 10 people not on either wagon, of course, but I could see someone having a reasonable reason here. I've certainly felt doubts about this HF wagon, and if I start townreading HF I'm going to move my vote off him. It really gets my goat if these poeple voting side votes aren't around at the end of the day though. Even if you TR both of us, presumably there's one you think is more town than the other... You don’t understand. Either you or holyflare is getting lynched today at this point, there’s nothing else strong enough. everyone town needs to lynch who they think is the least town or most mafia between the two of you. Lynches are the town’s power but if there is a significant amount of people off wagon then it becomes the mafia power because they have the numbers to manipulate it their favor. @Acro See, Oats gets it xD Though tbf if I strongly felt someone was scum I'd push it. Rels being so pissed off at me (I do not accept this is always a town role as an argument when it's demonstrably not) makes me less inclined to push that. When have you seen it as a mafia role? Oh god big...themedish game. Was in one with scum, yup. People like masoning me. I think LS mentioned the name. My chipmunk brain is useless. I think marv was scum in it with palmar? Btw specifically a mafia mason that can add anyone in the game on successive nights Nope. Not something I knew when I posted about it here, but I'm not sure why that's relevant? I also haven't seen a town role that does that. Because you said demonstrably so I wanted you to demonstrate. Assassin mafia had a mafia mason recruiter and that was Marv. Proof: https://quicktopic.com/51/H/5rn33mZHyEvu Why you gotta answer for rsoul man cmon dude Because I am a nice person? | ||
Holyflare
United Kingdom30774 Posts
March 07 2019 20:28 GMT
#5424
On March 08 2019 05:20 LightningStrike wrote: Show nested quote + On March 08 2019 05:15 Oatsmaster wrote: On March 08 2019 05:11 rsoultin wrote: On March 08 2019 05:09 Oatsmaster wrote: On March 08 2019 05:06 rsoultin wrote: On March 08 2019 05:02 Oatsmaster wrote: On March 08 2019 04:59 rsoultin wrote: On March 08 2019 04:50 Oatsmaster wrote: On March 08 2019 04:44 Blazinghand wrote: On March 08 2019 04:40 Oatsmaster wrote: [quote] Any town people who aren’t on either BH or Holyflare are actively playing against their wincon btw? Not to say anything that would discourage people from voting HF (and thus saving me, who I know to be town) - but presumably some people strongly TR both me and HF. I'm sure there's scum in the 10 people not on either wagon, of course, but I could see someone having a reasonable reason here. I've certainly felt doubts about this HF wagon, and if I start townreading HF I'm going to move my vote off him. It really gets my goat if these poeple voting side votes aren't around at the end of the day though. Even if you TR both of us, presumably there's one you think is more town than the other... You don’t understand. Either you or holyflare is getting lynched today at this point, there’s nothing else strong enough. everyone town needs to lynch who they think is the least town or most mafia between the two of you. Lynches are the town’s power but if there is a significant amount of people off wagon then it becomes the mafia power because they have the numbers to manipulate it their favor. @Acro See, Oats gets it xD Though tbf if I strongly felt someone was scum I'd push it. Rels being so pissed off at me (I do not accept this is always a town role as an argument when it's demonstrably not) makes me less inclined to push that. When have you seen it as a mafia role? Oh god big...themedish game. Was in one with scum, yup. People like masoning me. I think LS mentioned the name. My chipmunk brain is useless. I think marv was scum in it with palmar? Btw specifically a mafia mason that can add anyone in the game on successive nights Nope. Not something I knew when I posted about it here, but I'm not sure why that's relevant? I also haven't seen a town role that does that. Because you said demonstrably so I wanted you to demonstrate. Assassin mafia had a mafia mason recruiter and that was Marv. Proof: https://quicktopic.com/51/H/5rn33mZHyEvu I find it very suspicious that you linked a QT first rather than the game, like you had quick topic open already! | ||
Vivax
21735 Posts
March 07 2019 20:28 GMT
#5425
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Oatsmaster
United States16627 Posts
March 07 2019 20:28 GMT
#5426
On March 08 2019 05:24 WaveofShadow wrote: Anyone who thinks bh/hf wagons right now are scum v scum are either scum themselves or completely deluded. Someone do the legwork for me I'm at work. The easiest thing is that holyflare has the power to kill BH, expressed some interest towards it and never did it. | ||
Acrofales
Spain17743 Posts
March 07 2019 20:29 GMT
#5427
On March 08 2019 05:20 LightningStrike wrote: Show nested quote + On March 08 2019 05:15 Oatsmaster wrote: On March 08 2019 05:11 rsoultin wrote: On March 08 2019 05:09 Oatsmaster wrote: On March 08 2019 05:06 rsoultin wrote: On March 08 2019 05:02 Oatsmaster wrote: On March 08 2019 04:59 rsoultin wrote: On March 08 2019 04:50 Oatsmaster wrote: On March 08 2019 04:44 Blazinghand wrote: On March 08 2019 04:40 Oatsmaster wrote: [quote] Any town people who aren’t on either BH or Holyflare are actively playing against their wincon btw? Not to say anything that would discourage people from voting HF (and thus saving me, who I know to be town) - but presumably some people strongly TR both me and HF. I'm sure there's scum in the 10 people not on either wagon, of course, but I could see someone having a reasonable reason here. I've certainly felt doubts about this HF wagon, and if I start townreading HF I'm going to move my vote off him. It really gets my goat if these poeple voting side votes aren't around at the end of the day though. Even if you TR both of us, presumably there's one you think is more town than the other... You don’t understand. Either you or holyflare is getting lynched today at this point, there’s nothing else strong enough. everyone town needs to lynch who they think is the least town or most mafia between the two of you. Lynches are the town’s power but if there is a significant amount of people off wagon then it becomes the mafia power because they have the numbers to manipulate it their favor. @Acro See, Oats gets it xD Though tbf if I strongly felt someone was scum I'd push it. Rels being so pissed off at me (I do not accept this is always a town role as an argument when it's demonstrably not) makes me less inclined to push that. When have you seen it as a mafia role? Oh god big...themedish game. Was in one with scum, yup. People like masoning me. I think LS mentioned the name. My chipmunk brain is useless. I think marv was scum in it with palmar? Btw specifically a mafia mason that can add anyone in the game on successive nights Nope. Not something I knew when I posted about it here, but I'm not sure why that's relevant? I also haven't seen a town role that does that. Because you said demonstrably so I wanted you to demonstrate. Assassin mafia had a mafia mason recruiter and that was Marv. Proof: https://quicktopic.com/51/H/5rn33mZHyEvu | ||
Oatsmaster
United States16627 Posts
March 07 2019 20:29 GMT
#5428
On March 08 2019 05:27 LightningStrike wrote: Show nested quote + On March 08 2019 05:27 Oatsmaster wrote: On March 08 2019 05:20 LightningStrike wrote: On March 08 2019 05:15 Oatsmaster wrote: On March 08 2019 05:11 rsoultin wrote: On March 08 2019 05:09 Oatsmaster wrote: On March 08 2019 05:06 rsoultin wrote: On March 08 2019 05:02 Oatsmaster wrote: On March 08 2019 04:59 rsoultin wrote: On March 08 2019 04:50 Oatsmaster wrote: [quote] You don’t understand. Either you or holyflare is getting lynched today at this point, there’s nothing else strong enough. everyone town needs to lynch who they think is the least town or most mafia between the two of you. Lynches are the town’s power but if there is a significant amount of people off wagon then it becomes the mafia power because they have the numbers to manipulate it their favor. @Acro See, Oats gets it xD Though tbf if I strongly felt someone was scum I'd push it. Rels being so pissed off at me (I do not accept this is always a town role as an argument when it's demonstrably not) makes me less inclined to push that. When have you seen it as a mafia role? Oh god big...themedish game. Was in one with scum, yup. People like masoning me. I think LS mentioned the name. My chipmunk brain is useless. I think marv was scum in it with palmar? Btw specifically a mafia mason that can add anyone in the game on successive nights Nope. Not something I knew when I posted about it here, but I'm not sure why that's relevant? I also haven't seen a town role that does that. Because you said demonstrably so I wanted you to demonstrate. Assassin mafia had a mafia mason recruiter and that was Marv. Proof: https://quicktopic.com/51/H/5rn33mZHyEvu Why you gotta answer for rsoul man cmon dude Because I am a nice person? But I wanted to know her alignment and now I can’t dude please | ||
Acrofales
Spain17743 Posts
March 07 2019 20:30 GMT
#5429
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LightningStrike
United States14276 Posts
March 07 2019 20:31 GMT
#5430
On March 08 2019 05:28 Holyflare wrote: Show nested quote + On March 08 2019 05:20 LightningStrike wrote: On March 08 2019 05:15 Oatsmaster wrote: On March 08 2019 05:11 rsoultin wrote: On March 08 2019 05:09 Oatsmaster wrote: On March 08 2019 05:06 rsoultin wrote: On March 08 2019 05:02 Oatsmaster wrote: On March 08 2019 04:59 rsoultin wrote: On March 08 2019 04:50 Oatsmaster wrote: On March 08 2019 04:44 Blazinghand wrote: [quote] Not to say anything that would discourage people from voting HF (and thus saving me, who I know to be town) - but presumably some people strongly TR both me and HF. I'm sure there's scum in the 10 people not on either wagon, of course, but I could see someone having a reasonable reason here. I've certainly felt doubts about this HF wagon, and if I start townreading HF I'm going to move my vote off him. It really gets my goat if these poeple voting side votes aren't around at the end of the day though. Even if you TR both of us, presumably there's one you think is more town than the other... You don’t understand. Either you or holyflare is getting lynched today at this point, there’s nothing else strong enough. everyone town needs to lynch who they think is the least town or most mafia between the two of you. Lynches are the town’s power but if there is a significant amount of people off wagon then it becomes the mafia power because they have the numbers to manipulate it their favor. @Acro See, Oats gets it xD Though tbf if I strongly felt someone was scum I'd push it. Rels being so pissed off at me (I do not accept this is always a town role as an argument when it's demonstrably not) makes me less inclined to push that. When have you seen it as a mafia role? Oh god big...themedish game. Was in one with scum, yup. People like masoning me. I think LS mentioned the name. My chipmunk brain is useless. I think marv was scum in it with palmar? Btw specifically a mafia mason that can add anyone in the game on successive nights Nope. Not something I knew when I posted about it here, but I'm not sure why that's relevant? I also haven't seen a town role that does that. Because you said demonstrably so I wanted you to demonstrate. Assassin mafia had a mafia mason recruiter and that was Marv. Proof: https://quicktopic.com/51/H/5rn33mZHyEvu I find it very suspicious that you linked a QT first rather than the game, like you had quick topic open already! I was looking for a role list and first thing that came to my mind was the scum qt from that game but then a few posts after the qt link I found the role list but forgot to do the specific post but I did post the page at least! | ||
LightningStrike
United States14276 Posts
March 07 2019 20:31 GMT
#5431
On March 08 2019 05:29 Oatsmaster wrote: Show nested quote + On March 08 2019 05:27 LightningStrike wrote: On March 08 2019 05:27 Oatsmaster wrote: On March 08 2019 05:20 LightningStrike wrote: On March 08 2019 05:15 Oatsmaster wrote: On March 08 2019 05:11 rsoultin wrote: On March 08 2019 05:09 Oatsmaster wrote: On March 08 2019 05:06 rsoultin wrote: On March 08 2019 05:02 Oatsmaster wrote: On March 08 2019 04:59 rsoultin wrote: [quote] @Acro See, Oats gets it xD Though tbf if I strongly felt someone was scum I'd push it. Rels being so pissed off at me (I do not accept this is always a town role as an argument when it's demonstrably not) makes me less inclined to push that. When have you seen it as a mafia role? Oh god big...themedish game. Was in one with scum, yup. People like masoning me. I think LS mentioned the name. My chipmunk brain is useless. I think marv was scum in it with palmar? Btw specifically a mafia mason that can add anyone in the game on successive nights Nope. Not something I knew when I posted about it here, but I'm not sure why that's relevant? I also haven't seen a town role that does that. Because you said demonstrably so I wanted you to demonstrate. Assassin mafia had a mafia mason recruiter and that was Marv. Proof: https://quicktopic.com/51/H/5rn33mZHyEvu Why you gotta answer for rsoul man cmon dude Because I am a nice person? But I wanted to know her alignment and now I can’t dude please She's town that's all you need to know. | ||
LightningStrike
United States14276 Posts
March 07 2019 20:32 GMT
#5432
On March 08 2019 05:30 Acrofales wrote: Gack. EBWOP: very themed game tho. It was a closed setup and we didn't know the roles at all until post game. Hell I was the martyr in that game. | ||
darthfoley
United States8001 Posts
March 07 2019 20:32 GMT
#5433
On March 08 2019 05:28 Oatsmaster wrote: Show nested quote + On March 08 2019 05:24 WaveofShadow wrote: Anyone who thinks bh/hf wagons right now are scum v scum are either scum themselves or completely deluded. Someone do the legwork for me I'm at work. The easiest thing is that holyflare has the power to kill BH, expressed some interest towards it and never did it. and then claimed he didn't show any interest in it at all | ||
Holyflare
United Kingdom30774 Posts
March 07 2019 20:33 GMT
#5434
On March 08 2019 05:32 darthfoley wrote: Show nested quote + On March 08 2019 05:28 Oatsmaster wrote: On March 08 2019 05:24 WaveofShadow wrote: Anyone who thinks bh/hf wagons right now are scum v scum are either scum themselves or completely deluded. Someone do the legwork for me I'm at work. The easiest thing is that holyflare has the power to kill BH, expressed some interest towards it and never did it. and then claimed he didn't show any interest in it at all that's not trueeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee | ||
Oatsmaster
United States16627 Posts
March 07 2019 20:34 GMT
#5435
On March 08 2019 05:31 LightningStrike wrote: Show nested quote + On March 08 2019 05:29 Oatsmaster wrote: On March 08 2019 05:27 LightningStrike wrote: On March 08 2019 05:27 Oatsmaster wrote: On March 08 2019 05:20 LightningStrike wrote: On March 08 2019 05:15 Oatsmaster wrote: On March 08 2019 05:11 rsoultin wrote: On March 08 2019 05:09 Oatsmaster wrote: On March 08 2019 05:06 rsoultin wrote: On March 08 2019 05:02 Oatsmaster wrote: [quote] When have you seen it as a mafia role? Oh god big...themedish game. Was in one with scum, yup. People like masoning me. I think LS mentioned the name. My chipmunk brain is useless. I think marv was scum in it with palmar? Btw specifically a mafia mason that can add anyone in the game on successive nights Nope. Not something I knew when I posted about it here, but I'm not sure why that's relevant? I also haven't seen a town role that does that. Because you said demonstrably so I wanted you to demonstrate. Assassin mafia had a mafia mason recruiter and that was Marv. Proof: https://quicktopic.com/51/H/5rn33mZHyEvu Why you gotta answer for rsoul man cmon dude Because I am a nice person? But I wanted to know her alignment and now I can’t dude please She's town that's all you need to know. Have you ever been wrong about her alignment ever? | ||
LightningStrike
United States14276 Posts
March 07 2019 20:34 GMT
#5436
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
March 07 2019 20:34 GMT
#5437
On March 07 2019 12:40 Grackaroni wrote: Show nested quote + On March 07 2019 12:17 Rels wrote: So: On March 04 2019 03:43 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: I think if you lean red on everyone it's only slightly better than leaning green on everyone. I'd almost call it a scum play Oats does put pressure on HF. I'd still lean Oats because even with that pressure he doesn't commit to any sort of scum team besides "half the thread", at least in any meaningful way to advance the game. On March 05 2019 01:17 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Oats hasn't changed much beyond the dart throwing. I still don't see how that makes him scum. On March 06 2019 09:53 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: There's actually two parts missing. "I'd almost call it a scum play [but] Oats does put pressure on HF. I'd still lean [red on] Oats because even with..." That being said, it's the slightest of scum leans and I never grouped him in my lynch targets like Trfel, LS, etc. meh. Maybe. It's kinda weak Honestly I've been mostly going just off Palmar/Marv's take on Sentinel for my read so far but I'm wading into his filter now and it's really not pretty. Read here: Show nested quote + On March 03 2019 00:07 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Stale takes by this point but I have town reads on TT and myself and I'm behind vigging Exo @rsoultin I'm pretty sure Chez shitposts in every thread regardless of alignment. What makes him scum in this particular case? His read on TT is In line with thread sentiment as he said in the post. Later in his big reads post he drops a scum read on TT based off the same early game posts that he already read when he called TT town the first time. (note the timestamps.) + Show Spoiler + On March 04 2019 03:43 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: 7) Tictock I'll be happy voting for him if only to get him to stop putting all his reads in spoilers Here are some of his noteworthy takes Show nested quote + On March 02 2019 14:30 Tictock wrote: Meap seems very Mafia to me on this page, he even does this "Guide me Senpai" thing with HF that I hate. On March 02 2019 10:20 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Sheeeeiiiit this is more quality analysis I can get behind Is lightingstrike scum too HF? Gut wants me to vote Meap, so vote Meap I shall. I agree with this for the same reason. More on this in my Meapak DD in the next post Show nested quote + On March 02 2019 14:44 Tictock wrote: + Show Spoiler + On March 02 2019 10:27 Damdred wrote: LS is town, that is all. More when I get home and find a town circle to kill from within. Ehh, I can't make up my mind what I want to say about this, I agree with him (which typically gives me townfeels for Damdred) but this feels like an easy, "free" read and post from Damdred. For some reason was noteworty to me... idk. Dam Trfel... + Show Spoiler + On March 02 2019 10:29 Trfel wrote: Honestly, just guessing. Seems like the right number, that or six, I'd rather overestimate than underestimate. As to why, I figured it would be eye-catching You said(typed) it with such confidence though, I Believed... + Show Spoiler + On March 02 2019 10:30 Damdred wrote: Show nested quote + On March 02 2019 10:29 Jockmcplop wrote: On March 02 2019 10:27 Damdred wrote: LS is town, that is all. You got that from him saying that he's always town? I know because I'm masons with ls. Ok... Damdred Probs town. + Show Spoiler + On March 02 2019 10:31 Chezinu wrote: Show nested quote + On March 02 2019 10:27 Holyflare wrote: On February 18 2019 06:38 calgar wrote: + I feel like this guy wanted in and was abandoned. Holyflare, Great detective work! I would love to have you on my team as lead investigator! I will be sure that the corporate office hear of this amazing discovery! Best, Chezinu Isunizehc Why does this game irrelevant post get praise from you Chez? + Show Spoiler + On March 02 2019 10:33 LightningStrike wrote: Me and Damdred aren't masons even though I wish we were masons Honest to a fault... Totes town. Willing to give solid townleans on Trefl and LS, and a minor townlean on Damdred thus far. I've also got a bit of a gutread on FF at this point, but I'm not sharing it yet. What's interesting here is that the foundation of all of this is LS's first three posts. I don't know which three posts qualify but up to the "me and Damdred aren't masons" LS has posted nothing of substance, town or not. Damdy is town because he agrees with LS. He's masons with LS and LS is town so they can't be scum together. Oops LS isn't a mason but LS is town and Damdy is still town because he said LS is town. His justification is Show nested quote + LS can be a hard player to read, but all these posts are honest sadness that people are starting to play for real and not just joke around and shoot the breeze as many recent games have started. Not saying I have some kinda God-Read on him or anything, but that is how I try to and what I get from those posts. So all of his town reads by association come from a belief that LS is honest. And that belief is predicated on the fact that LS was joking around. Show nested quote + HF seems to be posting to post and I don't like it, but it's not really a scum read right now. It's just him coasting. Speaking of my Watch List, I think it's something like this right now: ... HF (just not comfortable with him just floating around the game making no impact, yet being relatively present) I think this is colored by TT's dislike of HF Show nested quote + On March 03 2019 13:47 Tictock wrote: Ok, I came, I saw, I did some things. Seems like ppl are not around so gunna do other things. May check in once more before bed but I am pretty sure I am not going to fully read the stuff I missed. I'd like someone who is wanting to lynch oats to convince me why he is scum. Similarly as to why ppl are voting HF for mayor. If deadline was right now/soon I would push for Meap or Grack to lynch. I don't like this post because he started with a gutread on her and acted off that information throughout the game, leading to the conclusion: rsoultin is town. It cheapens the value of all the evidence he posts afterward to support the fact rsoultin is town. Leaning red If Sent's mafia, this probably isn't why. There's over 24hrs between the two posts. | ||
LightningStrike
United States14276 Posts
March 07 2019 20:35 GMT
#5438
On March 08 2019 05:34 Oatsmaster wrote: Show nested quote + On March 08 2019 05:31 LightningStrike wrote: On March 08 2019 05:29 Oatsmaster wrote: On March 08 2019 05:27 LightningStrike wrote: On March 08 2019 05:27 Oatsmaster wrote: On March 08 2019 05:20 LightningStrike wrote: On March 08 2019 05:15 Oatsmaster wrote: On March 08 2019 05:11 rsoultin wrote: On March 08 2019 05:09 Oatsmaster wrote: On March 08 2019 05:06 rsoultin wrote: [quote] Oh god big...themedish game. Was in one with scum, yup. People like masoning me. I think LS mentioned the name. My chipmunk brain is useless. I think marv was scum in it with palmar? Btw specifically a mafia mason that can add anyone in the game on successive nights Nope. Not something I knew when I posted about it here, but I'm not sure why that's relevant? I also haven't seen a town role that does that. Because you said demonstrably so I wanted you to demonstrate. Assassin mafia had a mafia mason recruiter and that was Marv. Proof: https://quicktopic.com/51/H/5rn33mZHyEvu Why you gotta answer for rsoul man cmon dude Because I am a nice person? But I wanted to know her alignment and now I can’t dude please She's town that's all you need to know. Have you ever been wrong about her alignment ever? Not often we usually are the same alignment. | ||
Rels
France13467 Posts
March 07 2019 20:35 GMT
#5439
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ExO_
United States2316 Posts
March 07 2019 20:35 GMT
#5440
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