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On March 08 2019 04:57 LightningStrike wrote:
Tina I sorry I was thinking your scum this game but I think you're town now. What stuff you looking into atm?
Honestly? I just caught up with the thread after a nice dinner of pancakes and chat with our new house guest, and I'm turning into a pumpkin in an hour when the hubby kidnaps me for the rest of the night.
So unless people send me down an avenue to poke where I come back with a solid scumread on someone, my vote stays on Blazinghand.
Though that does remind me that I wanted to read Sent and look at Grack's case so that's what I'm doing now.
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On March 08 2019 04:59 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2019 04:50 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 08 2019 04:44 Blazinghand wrote:On March 08 2019 04:40 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 08 2019 03:50 Dandel Ion wrote:
Day Two Vote Count
Blazinghand (11): Mr. Wiggles, Rels, Holyflare, [UoN]Sentinel, rsoultin, AMG, Mocsta, LightningStrike, WaveofShadow, Tictock, Tubesock
Holyflare (9): Acrofales, Blazinghand, sicklucker, BloodyC0bbler, Vivax, Alakaslam, Oatsmaster, Fecalfeast, Ace
Ace (2): Jockmcplop, Tumblewood
rsoultin (1): Onegu
Acrofales (1): raynpelikoneet
[UoN]Sentinel (1): Grackaroni,
Damdred (1): Meapak_Ziphh
Not voting (4): Damdred, Chezinu, ExO_, darthfoley
Blazinghand is currently set to be lynched.
Please let us know if you notice any mistakes. The deadline is Friday, Mar 08 12:00am GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in . Any town people who aren’t on either BH or Holyflare are actively playing against their wincon btw? Not to say anything that would discourage people from voting HF (and thus saving me, who I know to be town) - but presumably some people strongly TR both me and HF. I'm sure there's scum in the 10 people not on either wagon, of course, but I could see someone having a reasonable reason here. I've certainly felt doubts about this HF wagon, and if I start townreading HF I'm going to move my vote off him. It really gets my goat if these poeple voting side votes aren't around at the end of the day though. Even if you TR both of us, presumably there's one you think is more town than the other... You don’t understand. Either you or holyflare is getting lynched today at this point, there’s nothing else strong enough.
everyone town needs to lynch who they think is the least town or most mafia between the two of you.Lynches are the town’s power but if there is a significant amount of people off wagon then it becomes the mafia power because they have the numbers to manipulate it their favor. @Acro See, Oats gets it xD Though tbf if I strongly felt someone was scum I'd push it. Rels being so pissed off at me (I do not accept this is always a town role as an argument when it's demonstrably not) makes me less inclined to push that.
When have you seen it as a mafia role?
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On March 08 2019 04:55 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2019 04:31 Blazinghand wrote:On March 08 2019 04:30 Holyflare wrote:On March 08 2019 04:21 Acrofales wrote:On March 08 2019 04:11 Jockmcplop wrote:On March 08 2019 04:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
oh btw from now on i am gonna be a little bitch and report all "offences" to hosts because they can be hurstful to a soul of some person..... so no swearing, no anything else. inbetween tl rules you idiots. i am done with me getting all the shit for nothing. You know what always cheers me up? Sifaka lemurs: + Show Spoiler +Look at em. Lovely things. That did cheer me up  Lets go back to this: On March 07 2019 22:41 Jockmcplop wrote:On March 07 2019 22:37 Acrofales wrote:On March 07 2019 22:32 Jockmcplop wrote:I'm leaning heavily towards a scum read on BH right now. The more he posts the more scummy his motivations seem to be. His attacks on hf look as if he has made them up on the spot in an effort to try and paint hf as mafia, rather than coming to natural conclusions about hf from available evidence. The best example of this is the following post: On March 06 2019 09:38 Blazinghand wrote:
HF why did you claim a shot on me?
Here's a theory as to why HF did this. It is because he is scum.
In the Scum QT:
Holyflare: Hey guys, the deadline is coming up. We know a vigi is going to shoot Blazinghand, and then probably claim after the daypost.
Other Scums: yeah, sounds accurate to me.
Holyflare: then Blazinghand will flip town, and i'm going to look real bad.
Other Scums: oh no!
Holyflare: ok, but here's the plan. I'm going to, right before the end of the night, with second on the clock, claim that I'm the vigi and am shooting BH.
Other Scums: why would you do this HF? we're not shooting BH...
Holflare: see, a vigi is going to shoot Blazinghand, and I will get autolynched D2 unless I can pose as the vigi who shot him. This will allow me to get in one more mislynch, as people will trust me. If the real vigi counterclaims, that's still a better situation than if I never claimed in the first place and just let myself get autolynched.
Other Scums: good idea
Then, for some reason, I didn't get shot, and now HF has to just pretend he never claimed he was shooting me This is pure speculation and I like how creative it is, but it is not evidence. He then refers back to this as 'compelling' a few posts later, but as we can see it isn't compelling its a rather badly shoehorned piece of fiction, designed to create an mirage. On March 06 2019 18:31 Blazinghand wrote:Whatever the particulars of the bad Palmar scumread, I still think this is easily the most compelling reason for the HF scum case: On March 06 2019 09:38 Blazinghand wrote:
HF why did you claim a shot on me?
Here's a theory as to why HF did this. It is because he is scum.
In the Scum QT:
Holyflare: Hey guys, the deadline is coming up. We know a vigi is going to shoot Blazinghand, and then probably claim after the daypost.
Other Scums: yeah, sounds accurate to me.
Holyflare: then Blazinghand will flip town, and i'm going to look real bad.
Other Scums: oh no!
Holyflare: ok, but here's the plan. I'm going to, right before the end of the night, with second on the clock, claim that I'm the vigi and am shooting BH.
Other Scums: why would you do this HF? we're not shooting BH...
Holflare: see, a vigi is going to shoot Blazinghand, and I will get autolynched D2 unless I can pose as the vigi who shot him. This will allow me to get in one more mislynch, as people will trust me. If the real vigi counterclaims, that's still a better situation than if I never claimed in the first place and just let myself get autolynched.
Other Scums: good idea
Then, for some reason, I didn't get shot, and now HF has to just pretend he never claimed he was shooting me HF has largely abandoned his provably false ideas of "well, I couldn't change the mayor lynch" given the way the mayor lynch is received mechanically and the fact he was in thread and watched and commented on the shenannnies as they went down. Just for killing Palmar is he scum? eh, maybe not. But for lying about it, then slithering away from the lie when called out? oh yeah baby Ok, so what is the point of town!HF to claim a fake vig shot? I didn't incorporate it in my case, because it's mostly wifom, but I really don't see it: 1. He made a big play and it backfired spectacularly. 2. He makes another big play just for shit and giggles? WTF? Now, lets say BH had gotten vig'd. We'd have a townie counterclaiming the vig shot, and today would have been an even bigger shitshow. Lynch all liars is a damned good policy for a reason, because even if townies *do* do this kind of stupid shit, it is blatantly anti-town play. And the *second* time HF does a big anti-town play in the same damn game. That's true, but doesn't say anything about the point I am making. This story BH is telling is meaningless, as if he needed something completely made up to emphasize his argument for some reason. Also, if we are lynching people for anti-town play, what about the whole of D1/N1 from BH? Blatant anti-town play that has no upside or no possible upside for town. You say BH is scummy for making up a narrative. While the narrative is of course pure speculation, it's just a funny way of presenting the problem here: FACT: HF claimed vigilante FACT: HF is not a vigilante CONCLUSION: HF fakeclaimed vigilante. So there are two options: HF is town and fakeclaimed vigilante, or HF is scum and fakeclaimed vigilante. You seem to lean towards it being town!HF fakeclaiming vigilante, because in his own words, he was adding "suspense" around the daypost. I mean.. sure, he has shown so far that HF only really cares about HF, so he might just have done it for the shit of it, but you ignored the whole conundrum of my post earlier. How do you explain town!HF not even thinking that there was a real vig that would really shoot BH? I mean... who cares if there was a real vig? I could just rescind my claim or get killed which, again, would make my position a 1 for 1 trade if I survived somehow (which I wouldn't in this case) which I would never like. You've mentioned a few times that you've provided evidence that you do this kind of last second fakeclaim as town and have done so before - can you link to a game or state the name of a game in which you did this? https://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/531261-medic-mafia?page=7#121https://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/527379-newbie-student-mafia-xxvii?page=70#1387This is just in like my last few games iirc and one of those I didn't claim because someone else beat claiming a role first. I've claimed cops with a red check, I've claimed vig shots, I've counter claimed blues, I do whatever I please my friend. There was even a game where I red checked glowingbear and I wasn't a cop and he flipped town because I was sure he was mafia. SL was in that game and said the same things "+ev to lynch hf bla bla". Same shit, different game.
While I hate town fakeclaims in general, I understand fakeclaiming cop. That actually serves a purpose.
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On March 08 2019 05:02 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2019 04:57 LightningStrike wrote:
Tina I sorry I was thinking your scum this game but I think you're town now. What stuff you looking into atm? Honestly? I just caught up with the thread after a nice dinner of pancakes and chat with our new house guest, and I'm turning into a pumpkin in an hour when the hubby kidnaps me for the rest of the night. So unless people send me down an avenue to poke where I come back with a solid scumread on someone, my vote stays on Blazinghand. Though that does remind me that I wanted to read Sent and look at Grack's case so that's what I'm doing now.
Fair enough let me know what you get out of it when you get a chance!
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Can people read my analysis of HF's EoD1 on the previous page? Does anyone truly believe his read progression on Trfel was legit? Or that he gave a single fuck about who the lynch was?
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On March 08 2019 05:02 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2019 04:59 rsoultin wrote:On March 08 2019 04:50 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 08 2019 04:44 Blazinghand wrote:On March 08 2019 04:40 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 08 2019 03:50 Dandel Ion wrote:
Day Two Vote Count
Blazinghand (11): Mr. Wiggles, Rels, Holyflare, [UoN]Sentinel, rsoultin, AMG, Mocsta, LightningStrike, WaveofShadow, Tictock, Tubesock
Holyflare (9): Acrofales, Blazinghand, sicklucker, BloodyC0bbler, Vivax, Alakaslam, Oatsmaster, Fecalfeast, Ace
Ace (2): Jockmcplop, Tumblewood
rsoultin (1): Onegu
Acrofales (1): raynpelikoneet
[UoN]Sentinel (1): Grackaroni,
Damdred (1): Meapak_Ziphh
Not voting (4): Damdred, Chezinu, ExO_, darthfoley
Blazinghand is currently set to be lynched.
Please let us know if you notice any mistakes. The deadline is Friday, Mar 08 12:00am GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in . Any town people who aren’t on either BH or Holyflare are actively playing against their wincon btw? Not to say anything that would discourage people from voting HF (and thus saving me, who I know to be town) - but presumably some people strongly TR both me and HF. I'm sure there's scum in the 10 people not on either wagon, of course, but I could see someone having a reasonable reason here. I've certainly felt doubts about this HF wagon, and if I start townreading HF I'm going to move my vote off him. It really gets my goat if these poeple voting side votes aren't around at the end of the day though. Even if you TR both of us, presumably there's one you think is more town than the other... You don’t understand. Either you or holyflare is getting lynched today at this point, there’s nothing else strong enough.
everyone town needs to lynch who they think is the least town or most mafia between the two of you.Lynches are the town’s power but if there is a significant amount of people off wagon then it becomes the mafia power because they have the numbers to manipulate it their favor. @Acro See, Oats gets it xD Though tbf if I strongly felt someone was scum I'd push it. Rels being so pissed off at me (I do not accept this is always a town role as an argument when it's demonstrably not) makes me less inclined to push that. When have you seen it as a mafia role?
Oh god big...themedish game. Was in one with scum, yup. People like masoning me. I think LS mentioned the name. My chipmunk brain is useless. I think marv was scum in it with palmar?
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So he now calls someone scum for agreeing with him that Trfel is likely town. He does absolutely nothing to push the lynch towards BH even though it was a close vote, he classifies BH as scummier than Trfel, AND has this insane 15 read progression on Trfel all the while not giving a fuck if he gets lynched. To top it all off, he then scum reads ExO for a similar read progression???????
I have a lot more on Trfel because it was a narrative as I was writing it and the two equivalences between him and BH are different because the metrics to read them are quite different. I read through Trfel's filter and I found a really small glimmer that his read on Oats and then blindly following what I said about Oats' meta was so placid and easy to achieve that I don't think someone that was mafia would do that because they would feel too self conscious. Then as I was reading through his filter some more (since it was a narrative whilst I was essentially reading his filter) I saw his "oats was a pressure vote" post and immediately felt like it was off. Trfel coming back at deadline seemed completely lost, confused, didn't know what was going on and his whole tone felt completely innocent.
BH was just doing completely BH things at deadline that I expect from him in any mafia game, which is nothing but pander to emotions and provide excuses. I don't know what more you wanted me to write on BH who only had minimal posts at that point though.
You have misread the Exo post because that's not what it says at all. He says that Blazinghand, the person that he voted to lynch, looked like an innocent town guy campaigning for a better town. He lynched him while saying this. This is unequivocally scummy.
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On March 08 2019 04:59 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2019 04:50 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 08 2019 04:44 Blazinghand wrote:On March 08 2019 04:40 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 08 2019 03:50 Dandel Ion wrote:
Day Two Vote Count
Blazinghand (11): Mr. Wiggles, Rels, Holyflare, [UoN]Sentinel, rsoultin, AMG, Mocsta, LightningStrike, WaveofShadow, Tictock, Tubesock
Holyflare (9): Acrofales, Blazinghand, sicklucker, BloodyC0bbler, Vivax, Alakaslam, Oatsmaster, Fecalfeast, Ace
Ace (2): Jockmcplop, Tumblewood
rsoultin (1): Onegu
Acrofales (1): raynpelikoneet
[UoN]Sentinel (1): Grackaroni,
Damdred (1): Meapak_Ziphh
Not voting (4): Damdred, Chezinu, ExO_, darthfoley
Blazinghand is currently set to be lynched.
Please let us know if you notice any mistakes. The deadline is Friday, Mar 08 12:00am GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in . Any town people who aren’t on either BH or Holyflare are actively playing against their wincon btw? Not to say anything that would discourage people from voting HF (and thus saving me, who I know to be town) - but presumably some people strongly TR both me and HF. I'm sure there's scum in the 10 people not on either wagon, of course, but I could see someone having a reasonable reason here. I've certainly felt doubts about this HF wagon, and if I start townreading HF I'm going to move my vote off him. It really gets my goat if these poeple voting side votes aren't around at the end of the day though. Even if you TR both of us, presumably there's one you think is more town than the other... You don’t understand. Either you or holyflare is getting lynched today at this point, there’s nothing else strong enough.
everyone town needs to lynch who they think is the least town or most mafia between the two of you.Lynches are the town’s power but if there is a significant amount of people off wagon then it becomes the mafia power because they have the numbers to manipulate it their favor. @Acro See, Oats gets it xD Though tbf if I strongly felt someone was scum I'd push it. Rels being so pissed off at me (I do not accept this is always a town role as an argument when it's demonstrably not) makes me less inclined to push that.
Nah, this just means mafia will pile onto one of the wagons instead of hiding elsewhere as we just defined a rule: if you're off-wagon, you're scum. So scum hides by being on the wagon. If they're both scum, they bus (as there literally isn't another option). If one is town and the other scum, they try to avoid bussing. And if both are town they just lurk and comply.
There is no point in forcing consolidation in a plurality lynch.
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Also is there some 3p role that actively tries to get themselves killed for WinCon because i'm reading through BH's filter and that currently makes the most sense to me?
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On March 08 2019 05:06 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2019 05:02 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 08 2019 04:59 rsoultin wrote:On March 08 2019 04:50 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 08 2019 04:44 Blazinghand wrote:On March 08 2019 04:40 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 08 2019 03:50 Dandel Ion wrote:
Day Two Vote Count
Blazinghand (11): Mr. Wiggles, Rels, Holyflare, [UoN]Sentinel, rsoultin, AMG, Mocsta, LightningStrike, WaveofShadow, Tictock, Tubesock
Holyflare (9): Acrofales, Blazinghand, sicklucker, BloodyC0bbler, Vivax, Alakaslam, Oatsmaster, Fecalfeast, Ace
Ace (2): Jockmcplop, Tumblewood
rsoultin (1): Onegu
Acrofales (1): raynpelikoneet
[UoN]Sentinel (1): Grackaroni,
Damdred (1): Meapak_Ziphh
Not voting (4): Damdred, Chezinu, ExO_, darthfoley
Blazinghand is currently set to be lynched.
Please let us know if you notice any mistakes. The deadline is Friday, Mar 08 12:00am GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in . Any town people who aren’t on either BH or Holyflare are actively playing against their wincon btw? Not to say anything that would discourage people from voting HF (and thus saving me, who I know to be town) - but presumably some people strongly TR both me and HF. I'm sure there's scum in the 10 people not on either wagon, of course, but I could see someone having a reasonable reason here. I've certainly felt doubts about this HF wagon, and if I start townreading HF I'm going to move my vote off him. It really gets my goat if these poeple voting side votes aren't around at the end of the day though. Even if you TR both of us, presumably there's one you think is more town than the other... You don’t understand. Either you or holyflare is getting lynched today at this point, there’s nothing else strong enough.
everyone town needs to lynch who they think is the least town or most mafia between the two of you.Lynches are the town’s power but if there is a significant amount of people off wagon then it becomes the mafia power because they have the numbers to manipulate it their favor. @Acro See, Oats gets it xD Though tbf if I strongly felt someone was scum I'd push it. Rels being so pissed off at me (I do not accept this is always a town role as an argument when it's demonstrably not) makes me less inclined to push that. When have you seen it as a mafia role? Oh god big...themedish game. Was in one with scum, yup. People like masoning me. I think LS mentioned the name. My chipmunk brain is useless. I think marv was scum in it with palmar?
Btw specifically a mafia mason that can add anyone in the game on successive nights
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On March 08 2019 05:07 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +
So he now calls someone scum for agreeing with him that Trfel is likely town. He does absolutely nothing to push the lynch towards BH even though it was a close vote, he classifies BH as scummier than Trfel, AND has this insane 15 read progression on Trfel all the while not giving a fuck if he gets lynched. To top it all off, he then scum reads ExO for a similar read progression???????
I have a lot more on Trfel because it was a narrative as I was writing it and the two equivalences between him and BH are different because the metrics to read them are quite different. I read through Trfel's filter and I found a really small glimmer that his read on Oats and then blindly following what I said about Oats' meta was so placid and easy to achieve that I don't think someone that was mafia would do that because they would feel too self conscious. Then as I was reading through his filter some more (since it was a narrative whilst I was essentially reading his filter) I saw his "oats was a pressure vote" post and immediately felt like it was off. Trfel coming back at deadline seemed completely lost, confused, didn't know what was going on and his whole tone felt completely innocent. BH was just doing completely BH things at deadline that I expect from him in any mafia game, which is nothing but pander to emotions and provide excuses. I don't know what more you wanted me to write on BH who only had minimal posts at that point though.
You have misread the Exo post because that's not what it says at all. He says that Blazinghand, the person that he voted to lynch, looked like an innocent town guy campaigning for a better town. He lynched him while saying this. This is unequivocally scummy.
I thought ExO just messed up his syntax and that he was talking about Trfel being town who gave up. If he was actually talking about BH then fair play and I rescind that point
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On March 08 2019 05:09 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2019 05:06 rsoultin wrote:On March 08 2019 05:02 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 08 2019 04:59 rsoultin wrote:On March 08 2019 04:50 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 08 2019 04:44 Blazinghand wrote:On March 08 2019 04:40 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 08 2019 03:50 Dandel Ion wrote:
Day Two Vote Count
Blazinghand (11): Mr. Wiggles, Rels, Holyflare, [UoN]Sentinel, rsoultin, AMG, Mocsta, LightningStrike, WaveofShadow, Tictock, Tubesock
Holyflare (9): Acrofales, Blazinghand, sicklucker, BloodyC0bbler, Vivax, Alakaslam, Oatsmaster, Fecalfeast, Ace
Ace (2): Jockmcplop, Tumblewood
rsoultin (1): Onegu
Acrofales (1): raynpelikoneet
[UoN]Sentinel (1): Grackaroni,
Damdred (1): Meapak_Ziphh
Not voting (4): Damdred, Chezinu, ExO_, darthfoley
Blazinghand is currently set to be lynched.
Please let us know if you notice any mistakes. The deadline is Friday, Mar 08 12:00am GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in . Any town people who aren’t on either BH or Holyflare are actively playing against their wincon btw? Not to say anything that would discourage people from voting HF (and thus saving me, who I know to be town) - but presumably some people strongly TR both me and HF. I'm sure there's scum in the 10 people not on either wagon, of course, but I could see someone having a reasonable reason here. I've certainly felt doubts about this HF wagon, and if I start townreading HF I'm going to move my vote off him. It really gets my goat if these poeple voting side votes aren't around at the end of the day though. Even if you TR both of us, presumably there's one you think is more town than the other... You don’t understand. Either you or holyflare is getting lynched today at this point, there’s nothing else strong enough.
everyone town needs to lynch who they think is the least town or most mafia between the two of you.Lynches are the town’s power but if there is a significant amount of people off wagon then it becomes the mafia power because they have the numbers to manipulate it their favor. @Acro See, Oats gets it xD Though tbf if I strongly felt someone was scum I'd push it. Rels being so pissed off at me (I do not accept this is always a town role as an argument when it's demonstrably not) makes me less inclined to push that. When have you seen it as a mafia role? Oh god big...themedish game. Was in one with scum, yup. People like masoning me. I think LS mentioned the name. My chipmunk brain is useless. I think marv was scum in it with palmar? Btw specifically a mafia mason that can add anyone in the game on successive nights
I've only seen that in heavily themed games.
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On March 08 2019 05:06 darthfoley wrote:
Can people read my analysis of HF's EoD1 on the previous page? Does anyone truly believe his read progression on Trfel was legit? Or that he gave a single fuck about who the lynch was?
It's based on the false premise that Truffle was the lynch until seconds from the end. So...yeah.
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On March 08 2019 05:07 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2019 04:59 rsoultin wrote:On March 08 2019 04:50 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 08 2019 04:44 Blazinghand wrote:On March 08 2019 04:40 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 08 2019 03:50 Dandel Ion wrote:
Day Two Vote Count
Blazinghand (11): Mr. Wiggles, Rels, Holyflare, [UoN]Sentinel, rsoultin, AMG, Mocsta, LightningStrike, WaveofShadow, Tictock, Tubesock
Holyflare (9): Acrofales, Blazinghand, sicklucker, BloodyC0bbler, Vivax, Alakaslam, Oatsmaster, Fecalfeast, Ace
Ace (2): Jockmcplop, Tumblewood
rsoultin (1): Onegu
Acrofales (1): raynpelikoneet
[UoN]Sentinel (1): Grackaroni,
Damdred (1): Meapak_Ziphh
Not voting (4): Damdred, Chezinu, ExO_, darthfoley
Blazinghand is currently set to be lynched.
Please let us know if you notice any mistakes. The deadline is Friday, Mar 08 12:00am GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in . Any town people who aren’t on either BH or Holyflare are actively playing against their wincon btw? Not to say anything that would discourage people from voting HF (and thus saving me, who I know to be town) - but presumably some people strongly TR both me and HF. I'm sure there's scum in the 10 people not on either wagon, of course, but I could see someone having a reasonable reason here. I've certainly felt doubts about this HF wagon, and if I start townreading HF I'm going to move my vote off him. It really gets my goat if these poeple voting side votes aren't around at the end of the day though. Even if you TR both of us, presumably there's one you think is more town than the other... You don’t understand. Either you or holyflare is getting lynched today at this point, there’s nothing else strong enough.
everyone town needs to lynch who they think is the least town or most mafia between the two of you.Lynches are the town’s power but if there is a significant amount of people off wagon then it becomes the mafia power because they have the numbers to manipulate it their favor. @Acro See, Oats gets it xD Though tbf if I strongly felt someone was scum I'd push it. Rels being so pissed off at me (I do not accept this is always a town role as an argument when it's demonstrably not) makes me less inclined to push that. Nah, this just means mafia will pile onto one of the wagons instead of hiding elsewhere as we just defined a rule: if you're off-wagon, you're scum. So scum hides by being on the wagon. If they're both scum, they bus (as there literally isn't another option). If one is town and the other scum, they try to avoid bussing. And if both are town they just lurk and comply. There is no point in forcing consolidation in a plurality lynch.
Actually that’s not the point. The point is to get all the town people either voting for hf or blazing hand, preferably hf.
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On March 08 2019 05:09 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2019 05:06 rsoultin wrote:On March 08 2019 05:02 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 08 2019 04:59 rsoultin wrote:On March 08 2019 04:50 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 08 2019 04:44 Blazinghand wrote:On March 08 2019 04:40 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 08 2019 03:50 Dandel Ion wrote:
Day Two Vote Count
Blazinghand (11): Mr. Wiggles, Rels, Holyflare, [UoN]Sentinel, rsoultin, AMG, Mocsta, LightningStrike, WaveofShadow, Tictock, Tubesock
Holyflare (9): Acrofales, Blazinghand, sicklucker, BloodyC0bbler, Vivax, Alakaslam, Oatsmaster, Fecalfeast, Ace
Ace (2): Jockmcplop, Tumblewood
rsoultin (1): Onegu
Acrofales (1): raynpelikoneet
[UoN]Sentinel (1): Grackaroni,
Damdred (1): Meapak_Ziphh
Not voting (4): Damdred, Chezinu, ExO_, darthfoley
Blazinghand is currently set to be lynched.
Please let us know if you notice any mistakes. The deadline is Friday, Mar 08 12:00am GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in . Any town people who aren’t on either BH or Holyflare are actively playing against their wincon btw? Not to say anything that would discourage people from voting HF (and thus saving me, who I know to be town) - but presumably some people strongly TR both me and HF. I'm sure there's scum in the 10 people not on either wagon, of course, but I could see someone having a reasonable reason here. I've certainly felt doubts about this HF wagon, and if I start townreading HF I'm going to move my vote off him. It really gets my goat if these poeple voting side votes aren't around at the end of the day though. Even if you TR both of us, presumably there's one you think is more town than the other... You don’t understand. Either you or holyflare is getting lynched today at this point, there’s nothing else strong enough.
everyone town needs to lynch who they think is the least town or most mafia between the two of you.Lynches are the town’s power but if there is a significant amount of people off wagon then it becomes the mafia power because they have the numbers to manipulate it their favor. @Acro See, Oats gets it xD Though tbf if I strongly felt someone was scum I'd push it. Rels being so pissed off at me (I do not accept this is always a town role as an argument when it's demonstrably not) makes me less inclined to push that. When have you seen it as a mafia role? Oh god big...themedish game. Was in one with scum, yup. People like masoning me. I think LS mentioned the name. My chipmunk brain is useless. I think marv was scum in it with palmar? Btw specifically a mafia mason that can add anyone in the game on successive nights
Nope. Not something I knew when I posted about it here, but I'm not sure why that's relevant? I also haven't seen a town role that does that.
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On March 08 2019 05:07 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +
So he now calls someone scum for agreeing with him that Trfel is likely town. He does absolutely nothing to push the lynch towards BH even though it was a close vote, he classifies BH as scummier than Trfel, AND has this insane 15 read progression on Trfel all the while not giving a fuck if he gets lynched. To top it all off, he then scum reads ExO for a similar read progression???????
I have a lot more on Trfel because it was a narrative as I was writing it and the two equivalences between him and BH are different because the metrics to read them are quite different. I read through Trfel's filter and I found a really small glimmer that his read on Oats and then blindly following what I said about Oats' meta was so placid and easy to achieve that I don't think someone that was mafia would do that because they would feel too self conscious. Then as I was reading through his filter some more (since it was a narrative whilst I was essentially reading his filter) I saw his "oats was a pressure vote" post and immediately felt like it was off. Trfel coming back at deadline seemed completely lost, confused, didn't know what was going on and his whole tone felt completely innocent. BH was just doing completely BH things at deadline that I expect from him in any mafia game, which is nothing but pander to emotions and provide excuses. I don't know what more you wanted me to write on BH who only had minimal posts at that point though. You have misread the Exo post because that's not what it says at all. He says that Blazinghand, the person that he voted to lynch, looked like an innocent town guy campaigning for a better town. He lynched him while saying this. This is unequivocally scummy.
I am pretty sure Trfel only just came back like 10 minutes before deadline or something too. Wasn't that much time. I thought he was scummy then and I told him as much when he said "hf save me" and I just said "no". Then he looked increasingly more innocent as the time ticked down. I was just getting home from flying back from Amsterdam though, so although I was here I wasn't particularly here.
It's completely different to see now but there was no vote count at deadline or a while before it (it's been edited since, but shouldn't have been) because the mods were off doing something else so nobody had any idea what the vote count was and I honestly thought it was more secure. There was also conversion and Vivax that saved BH essentially right at the last minute (but nobody would know that because the vote count came 20 minutes after deadline).
I was also more concerned with becoming mayor and thought BH was a really secure lynch tbh.
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On March 05 2019 16:31 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2019 15:51 AMG wrote:
151 pages... you cannot be serious!
I started playing here nearly a decade ago under the name Adam4167, some of you ive played with, most of the rest Ive spectated games you were in.
Now, if someone could tell me on a scale of 1 to 10 the level of shit ive waded into, 1 being my socks would get wet and 10 being if i open my mouth I die of E.coli? I can't talk about pages 1-100 but as Day 1 came to an end, there was a 3-way race for mayor between Holyflare and Palmar, and to a lesser extent Iamperfection. There was no clear lead for who would be lynched, with Trfel, Oats, Acro, and Conversion all hitting 4-5 votes at one point or another. With about 6 hours left in the day, I came by and basically admitted there was no way I was going to read the first 100 pages, and said that it would be fine to lynch me so someone else would have a chance to play through Day 2 and enjoy the game (basically martyring). I lobbed down a self-vote (which later turned out to be not allowed), and voted for the guy who most recently got a mayor vote, Palmar. Following this, I got a wave of votes - from HF, Acro, Grack, and Iamp, who seemed extremely pleased with himself for figuring out that he should vote me. Over the next couple of hours, mayor voting consolidated, with HF and Palmar being neck and neck, and iamp falling behind. HF ran on a platform of lynching Palmar, and Palmar ran on a platform of lynching Sent for a variety of reasons inclusive of a policy lynch of Sent for failing to read his role PM. with about a half an hour left in the game, rayn, FF, iamp, Damdred brought HF to several votes over HF, pushing him into a comfortable lead over Palmar, and most of the votes consolidated onto either me or Trfel. with 10 minutes left, HF basically had the mayor vote locked up, 4 votes ahead of Palmar, thanks to Damdred and Iamp also hopping on his mayor wagon. For the lynch, I had 10 votes to Trfel's 9: Blazinghand (10): Holyflare, Grackaroni, iamperfection, Oatsmaster, WaveOfShadow, raynpelikoneet, Trfel, Vivax, rsoultin, Conversion Trfel (9): Tubesock, sicklucker, [UoN]Sentinel, Koshi, Mr. Wiggles, Tumblewood, Fecalfeast, Jockmcplop, Acrofales You'll note my vote isn't on Trfel here, I keep it on Iamp since he's a shitter and I don't want to accidentally get someone other than me lynched. The last 10 minutes are shenannies: Exo comes in and votes me, making it 11-9. 3 minutes to the deadline, Vivax swaps over from me to Trfel, tying it up at 10-10 (though i'll be lynched in this tie) 2 minutes to the deadline, Lightingstrike jumps from his irrelevant rsoultin vote onto me, making it 11 votes on me, 10 on Trfel. 1 Minute from the Deadline, conversion hops off of me and onto Trfel, causing Trfel to have 11 votes and me to have 10. Trfel flips Doctor. HF uses his mayoral power to kill Palmar, the backup Cop.
I must say, I do appreciate this succinct summary of D1
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On March 08 2019 05:07 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2019 04:59 rsoultin wrote:On March 08 2019 04:50 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 08 2019 04:44 Blazinghand wrote:On March 08 2019 04:40 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 08 2019 03:50 Dandel Ion wrote:
Day Two Vote Count
Blazinghand (11): Mr. Wiggles, Rels, Holyflare, [UoN]Sentinel, rsoultin, AMG, Mocsta, LightningStrike, WaveofShadow, Tictock, Tubesock
Holyflare (9): Acrofales, Blazinghand, sicklucker, BloodyC0bbler, Vivax, Alakaslam, Oatsmaster, Fecalfeast, Ace
Ace (2): Jockmcplop, Tumblewood
rsoultin (1): Onegu
Acrofales (1): raynpelikoneet
[UoN]Sentinel (1): Grackaroni,
Damdred (1): Meapak_Ziphh
Not voting (4): Damdred, Chezinu, ExO_, darthfoley
Blazinghand is currently set to be lynched.
Please let us know if you notice any mistakes. The deadline is Friday, Mar 08 12:00am GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in . Any town people who aren’t on either BH or Holyflare are actively playing against their wincon btw? Not to say anything that would discourage people from voting HF (and thus saving me, who I know to be town) - but presumably some people strongly TR both me and HF. I'm sure there's scum in the 10 people not on either wagon, of course, but I could see someone having a reasonable reason here. I've certainly felt doubts about this HF wagon, and if I start townreading HF I'm going to move my vote off him. It really gets my goat if these poeple voting side votes aren't around at the end of the day though. Even if you TR both of us, presumably there's one you think is more town than the other... You don’t understand. Either you or holyflare is getting lynched today at this point, there’s nothing else strong enough.
everyone town needs to lynch who they think is the least town or most mafia between the two of you.Lynches are the town’s power but if there is a significant amount of people off wagon then it becomes the mafia power because they have the numbers to manipulate it their favor. @Acro See, Oats gets it xD Though tbf if I strongly felt someone was scum I'd push it. Rels being so pissed off at me (I do not accept this is always a town role as an argument when it's demonstrably not) makes me less inclined to push that. Nah, this just means mafia will pile onto one of the wagons instead of hiding elsewhere as we just defined a rule: if you're off-wagon, you're scum. So scum hides by being on the wagon. If they're both scum, they bus (as there literally isn't another option). If one is town and the other scum, they try to avoid bussing. And if both are town they just lurk and comply. There is no point in forcing consolidation in a plurality lynch.
? I think you're missing the part where I'm townreading HF and don't want him to die.
If I'm wrong on my light townread on BH, great. We got mafia.
I see no real downside.
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On March 08 2019 05:10 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2019 05:06 darthfoley wrote:
Can people read my analysis of HF's EoD1 on the previous page? Does anyone truly believe his read progression on Trfel was legit? Or that he gave a single fuck about who the lynch was? It's based on the false premise that Truffle was the lynch until seconds from the end. So...yeah.
Damn it, I worked hard on that post. Don't tear me down for being factually incorrect!
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On March 08 2019 05:11 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2019 05:09 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 08 2019 05:06 rsoultin wrote:On March 08 2019 05:02 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 08 2019 04:59 rsoultin wrote:On March 08 2019 04:50 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 08 2019 04:44 Blazinghand wrote:On March 08 2019 04:40 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 08 2019 03:50 Dandel Ion wrote:
Day Two Vote Count
Blazinghand (11): Mr. Wiggles, Rels, Holyflare, [UoN]Sentinel, rsoultin, AMG, Mocsta, LightningStrike, WaveofShadow, Tictock, Tubesock
Holyflare (9): Acrofales, Blazinghand, sicklucker, BloodyC0bbler, Vivax, Alakaslam, Oatsmaster, Fecalfeast, Ace
Ace (2): Jockmcplop, Tumblewood
rsoultin (1): Onegu
Acrofales (1): raynpelikoneet
[UoN]Sentinel (1): Grackaroni,
Damdred (1): Meapak_Ziphh
Not voting (4): Damdred, Chezinu, ExO_, darthfoley
Blazinghand is currently set to be lynched.
Please let us know if you notice any mistakes. The deadline is Friday, Mar 08 12:00am GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in . Any town people who aren’t on either BH or Holyflare are actively playing against their wincon btw? Not to say anything that would discourage people from voting HF (and thus saving me, who I know to be town) - but presumably some people strongly TR both me and HF. I'm sure there's scum in the 10 people not on either wagon, of course, but I could see someone having a reasonable reason here. I've certainly felt doubts about this HF wagon, and if I start townreading HF I'm going to move my vote off him. It really gets my goat if these poeple voting side votes aren't around at the end of the day though. Even if you TR both of us, presumably there's one you think is more town than the other... You don’t understand. Either you or holyflare is getting lynched today at this point, there’s nothing else strong enough.
everyone town needs to lynch who they think is the least town or most mafia between the two of you.Lynches are the town’s power but if there is a significant amount of people off wagon then it becomes the mafia power because they have the numbers to manipulate it their favor. @Acro See, Oats gets it xD Though tbf if I strongly felt someone was scum I'd push it. Rels being so pissed off at me (I do not accept this is always a town role as an argument when it's demonstrably not) makes me less inclined to push that. When have you seen it as a mafia role? Oh god big...themedish game. Was in one with scum, yup. People like masoning me. I think LS mentioned the name. My chipmunk brain is useless. I think marv was scum in it with palmar? Btw specifically a mafia mason that can add anyone in the game on successive nights Nope. Not something I knew when I posted about it here, but I'm not sure why that's relevant? I also haven't seen a town role that does that.
Because you said demonstrably so I wanted you to demonstrate.
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