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After D1 Acrofales hasn't done a single productive thing. He has given himself a narrative in calling Holyflare mafia, hiding behind it, and doing nothing else. Even if he genuinely thinks Holyflare is mafia for doing a bad / stupid thing (which isn't even a good reason to scumread someone) it's simply pure mafia play to excuse yourself for not doing anything other than calling him mafia and everyone stupid and bad.
i wish there was less HF discussion but Acro clearly does some of his own scumhunting after day 1 here. He isn't hiding:
+ Show Spoiler +On March 06 2019 00:29 Acrofales wrote:Ugggghhhh. Please tell me I am wrong, but rsoultin looks really really scummy in how she talks about Palmar. In the beginning, she just seems upset that Palmar, a big name, is stealing the limelight and that people (me) are happy to sheep him. I can see that happening from a town point of view. But there's some stuff that doesn't scan with that: Show nested quote +On March 04 2019 16:29 rsoultin wrote:On March 04 2019 16:19 WaveofShadow wrote:
Strangely ironic that when I first read your post I bristled at being told I had a chipmunk memory, but if reading comprehension doesn't fail me (and maybe evidently, it does?) you were talking about yourself?
lol
Fair point I guess but the larger point still stands---if you are calling me scum, you're doing it based on nothing other than how 'blah' I'm being? And I still don't buy you not being great at reading me. Historically, you have been barring I think our first couple games together. -shrugs- Maybe I was I really don't recall lol I don't even remember if you were the one Palmar kept trying to convince me was scum in the Noir game Artanis threw a fit in where I needed to be hit between the eyes with it before I just sheepled a Palmar days later.Actually yeah I'm pretty sure that's you. But regardless, I don't think it matters. You can believe or not that I don't remember how to read you no skin off my back. The purpose of my post was 1) objectively don't like the sniping without really saying anything and 2) getting others' opinions on it because I think you're not much of a poster anyway. (Again with the caveat that I don't really remember.) Anyway! If you want to talk about something else we can cause this is getting circular and I read people better when they're not talking about me. Now I was nowhere near that game and have no idea what happened, but clearly rsoultin is okay with people sheeping Palmar, because she does it herself as town. Still, don't know the game, so different circumstances, etc. etc. but this whole thing about being upset people are sheeping Palmar makes far more sense from a scum player than a town player: Town rsoultin: upset because she doesn't know Palmar is town and is worried dumb townies are sheepling a scum Palmar. Next step should be: figure out Palmar's allegiance. Scum rsoultin: upset because townies are sheeplong a town Palmar, who is always going to be one of the major threats to scum in the game. So. Lets see, where does rsoultin go with her investigation into Palmar. I tell you, it's nowhere. She doesn't try to engage with Palmar. She doesn't analyse Palmar's posts. Nada. She just throws shade: Show nested quote +On March 03 2019 18:32 rsoultin wrote:On March 03 2019 18:27 Holyflare wrote:
When did I ever make a case on rayn wtf? You didn't that I recall. Though I like his Palmar read. Rayn at the time had a pretty weak scumread on Palmar based on (1) Palmar thinking I was looking townie, and (2) Palmar wanting to policy kill Sent. There really wasn't much there, but this is literally the only justification for rsoultin going after Palmar, because the next appearance we see is her waffling onto Palmar as an "experiment": Show nested quote +On March 03 2019 18:42 rsoultin wrote:On March 03 2019 18:32 Tubesock wrote:
Anyone want to vote Palmar? Doesn’t that sound super fun? rayne, Chez? HF? Not the worst idea. Actually, new experiment \o/ On March 03 2019 18:42 rsoultin wrote:
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##vote: Palmar I have no idea what the experiment did, except set her up for vote analysis for "going after Palmar early" or some such nonsense. She herself just kinda waffled on it too: Show nested quote +On March 04 2019 05:15 rsoultin wrote:On March 04 2019 04:59 Rels wrote:
rsoul can you detail your "experiment" if it's done ? Which one? The first was seeing if Rayn would get annoyed and come after me for ignoring his question. Which he both did and didn't so that was a wash. Though he did actively ignore me when I was trying to get clarification on his Iam read changing, which makes me want to lynch him and pretend that's more about scumreading him than ego. He's definitely still a scum lean, though. The second was seeing what happened with a Palmar vote when so many were kinda scumreading him but that one I just kinda abandoned cause impatient rsoul is impatient. And HF's comment on LS was right and that's actually a good way to read LS, but LS is probably just town for getting all out of whack with no real pressure on him lol >< Damdred is probably just scum though so that's nice ^^ It's not as strong a read as my tonal read that I think he's incapable of replicated as mafia but he's not playing this game right. But she isn't done, she'll continue throwing jabs his way, based on... what? Still nothing insofar as I can tell from her filter. That comes quite a bit later, when she finally gets around to explaining why Palmar is scum. I'll just post it verbatim, because it's utter bullshit: + Show Spoiler [shade] +On March 04 2019 04:02 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2019 04:00 iamperfection wrote:
i think its obvious that im town as well so just vote me for mayor. i don't think i've ever made a case as mafia.
Ill use the ability as another lynch during the night phase where we have to do votes and shit.
and lynch whoever we vote " although i would probably do what i want and just use it as a vig shot because im a dictator. Is that how the mayor thing works? Then we really shouldn't be voting for Palmar. On March 04 2019 06:53 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2019 06:49 Acrofales wrote:On March 04 2019 06:46 rsoultin wrote:On March 04 2019 06:39 Acrofales wrote:On March 04 2019 06:19 rsoultin wrote:
Eew.
Acro: "Palmar wanting to lynch sent is more likely to find scum than HF who wants to lynch Oats who I want to lynch."
rofl >< Given that I want to lynch Oats, I don't want to vote HF to mayor kill him. It defeats the purpose. Sure, but in your world one of those two players has found scum. Yet you think the one who hasn't is the more likely to? It's Palmar. Palmar's likely mafia tho, so there's that. Would make you right. He probably can find scum xP Pft. It's annoying that this sort of thing town can think cause people on this site are so good ol' boys club. On March 04 2019 07:03 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2019 07:01 Damdred wrote:On March 04 2019 06:59 rsoultin wrote:On March 04 2019 06:58 Damdred wrote:On March 04 2019 06:56 rsoultin wrote:On March 04 2019 06:52 Damdred wrote:
@sen,
I wanted to give your post a response that was not based on my feeling or tone.
So here we go,
The first thing I will point to is meta for LS, generally speaking he gives a good bit of town reads that seem flimsy early and he always seems to be noncommittal early. This is based off of meta and just not this game precisely. I do not think that this is a good point to have against him, he is always flip floppy on reads and super paranoid.
However there is a great point that his reads lack many scumspects or anything revolving actual verifiable reads that say x is scum.
He also is not as helpful this game as he generally would be, q lot of time he would dig in past games to figure out if player x does x or y.
There is also the point of his weak rage, seemed to be under almost no pressure but this is a bull tell he generally only goes it as town but he broke this as scum years ago so is not something to fall back on.
I think, that there is a chance that he is scum and you are correct Sen just based off the laziness and the lack of discernable scum reads that he is not pushing.
However I do not think hes the best lynch today. But you did lit together a good case. This is a great post for why LS is scum. Just saying. Your right, I basically talked myself out of a hard town read just writing back i stead of on feels. I'd rather still not lynch him today as I think a night/day I could make heads or tails using my charm. But I wont cry and rant otherwise Not you. You're still in the doghouse of not damdying Ha, I was excited for a moment and felt that we had a connection....but seriously I think there are good points there but you have to agree that ls is enough of a hard read sometimes that two days are necessary. I don't have to agree on anything other than I'm floundering all over the place trying to find a good lynch today and will probably just end up sheeping iam or hf like a boob ^^ But I think you and LS and palmar and rayn all have good chances of flipping scum and maybe koshi and maybe chez but maybe not for #reasons and MZ is someone no one is talking about and Iam may be right on acro which gives me what? 8? So I'm wrong somewhere lol >< On March 05 2019 06:29 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2019 06:27 Ace wrote:On March 05 2019 06:21 rsoultin wrote:
Yeah I still think Palmar is likely to be scum. Have no issue whatsoever mayoring Iam and killing BH (though I'm thinking we're likely to see a town flip there tbh) but I'm not changing my vote if it makes Palmar mayor. If you think BH is going to flip Town, then why not lynch Palmar? I'd be happy to lynch Palmar if anyone wanted to lynch Palmar. I'm also happy to lynch Truffle and Tube. And Rayn if it comes to it. Also LS, but my bad rsoul doubting brain is less confident about him. Show nested quote +On March 04 2019 16:37 rsoultin wrote:On March 04 2019 16:30 ExO_ wrote:On March 03 2019 20:12 Palmar wrote:To be fair I mostly like Acro just for these two posts. They're the logical way to play the game. Kill the policy lynch, continue playing. On March 03 2019 17:09 Acrofales wrote:
Enters Palmar: he claims to feel strongly about killing sent. So let him do it. All you need to decide is if Palmar is townie enough. But if we decide Palmar is townie enough to be mayor then he is free to kill whoever he likes. He sticks with sentinel and sentinel flips scum? We win, yay! Sheep Palmar into Armageddon. Sentinel flips town? We figure out if Palmars policy lynch is an ideological thing or a scum thing. Either way, we get information about Palmar out of this, which is a great thing to get out of D1.
On March 03 2019 17:11 Acrofales wrote:
Oh, also, if sent was actually playing and being townie, I'd be more inclined to want him to live. But he has used this "foil" to be an attention whore and cop out of doing anything else so far. Not town play. @Palmar, let's assume Acro is the leading lynch candidate but your vote could choose somebody else to lynch. Who would you lynch instead of Acro, that isn't Sent? Palmar's entire post history seems to be super focused on this policy lynch of Sent -- that's it. Town Reads HF, Town Reads Acro. He's not wanting to scum hunt on day 1, but go all in on a policy lynch. I don't think I mind having a strong conviction about the policy lynch, but I think I do mind only green reading other people and only pushing your one policy lynch. I think Palmar is scum. I like Rayn's read on Palmar, ironically, cause I think they're both scum. Palmar not playing on a weekend is Palmar-y. Palmar playing is Palmar-y. This half and half stuff I wouldn't trust with a 10-foot pole and I hate how much support he's gotten. I also hate that some of that is probably from shit town who just see the shiny name and go oh, Palmar, he's a god, let's check our brains at the door. -cocks head at- So you've decided to play rather than whine about people saying a person who was only posting images was a good vig target? Her earlier light suspicion of people following Palmar has turned into thinking Palmar is scum because people are sheeping him. This is bonkers. It doesn't make sense. Nobody can think this is a real reason for scumreading someone. Someone is scum because they do scummy things, not because they just happen to be there and other people do scummy things (sheeping them). This reeks of a scummer panicking that town Palmar is gaining traction. It isn't how a townie thinks. But now that we have established that Palmar is a priori scum, and rsoultin doesn't have to doubt herself, it all makes sense: Show nested quote +On March 04 2019 16:45 rsoultin wrote:On March 04 2019 16:39 ExO_ wrote:On March 04 2019 16:37 rsoultin wrote:On March 04 2019 16:30 ExO_ wrote:On March 03 2019 20:12 Palmar wrote:To be fair I mostly like Acro just for these two posts. They're the logical way to play the game. Kill the policy lynch, continue playing. On March 03 2019 17:09 Acrofales wrote:
Enters Palmar: he claims to feel strongly about killing sent. So let him do it. All you need to decide is if Palmar is townie enough. But if we decide Palmar is townie enough to be mayor then he is free to kill whoever he likes. He sticks with sentinel and sentinel flips scum? We win, yay! Sheep Palmar into Armageddon. Sentinel flips town? We figure out if Palmars policy lynch is an ideological thing or a scum thing. Either way, we get information about Palmar out of this, which is a great thing to get out of D1.
On March 03 2019 17:11 Acrofales wrote:
Oh, also, if sent was actually playing and being townie, I'd be more inclined to want him to live. But he has used this "foil" to be an attention whore and cop out of doing anything else so far. Not town play. @Palmar, let's assume Acro is the leading lynch candidate but your vote could choose somebody else to lynch. Who would you lynch instead of Acro, that isn't Sent? Palmar's entire post history seems to be super focused on this policy lynch of Sent -- that's it. Town Reads HF, Town Reads Acro. He's not wanting to scum hunt on day 1, but go all in on a policy lynch. I don't think I mind having a strong conviction about the policy lynch, but I think I do mind only green reading other people and only pushing your one policy lynch. I think Palmar is scum. I like Rayn's read on Palmar, ironically, cause I think they're both scum. Palmar not playing on a weekend is Palmar-y. Palmar playing is Palmar-y. This half and half stuff I wouldn't trust with a 10-foot pole and I hate how much support he's gotten. I also hate that some of that is probably from shit town who just see the shiny name and go oh, Palmar, he's a god, let's check our brains at the door. -cocks head at- So you've decided to play rather than whine about people saying a person who was only posting images was a good vig target? So then following this, if Palmar is scum: What does his pushing on Sent say? Is it a random policy lynch or is there more to it? What does his town read on acro mean? Don't know and don't care? Palmar is capable of pushing or reading people any which way if he's scum, so why is this a thing for you? Independently I think sent seems okay, certainly enough to warrant not lynching him d1. And acro is someone I need to look at again cause I've seen things I both like and don't like. I don't feel strongly enough on him to not lynch him though so there's that. Palmar is scum because Palmar is making reads and pushing people. Now regardless of whether rsoultin is a good player or a clueless scrub, she has been around the forum, and has admitted herself to sheeping Palmar as town. Does this filter read like someone who is trying to figure out whether Palmar is mafia? Or someone pushing an agenda. I can really only get the latter from it. rsoultin congrats on leaving the maybe pile. You scummy little creature, you.
also I missed this originally but this is a very good catch by Vivax/Acro:
On March 06 2019 03:31 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2019 03:10 Holyflare wrote:On March 06 2019 03:10 Holyflare wrote:On March 06 2019 03:07 Vivax wrote:On March 06 2019 02:48 Vivax wrote:I'd still lean Oats (???) because even with that pressure he doesn't commit to any sort of scum team besides "half the thread", at least in any meaningful way to advance the game. Like this post is why Sentinel is confirmed scum. When you're town, you read something that catches your attention, form the opinion, then go write about it to justify your opinion. Here you have Sentinel forgetting to fill in the blank cause first he wrote up some bsbsbsbs, then he tried to decide what would be the best way to read Oats for that. Basically mafia with his pants down. I think that's a bit of a stretch lol. Can quite easily forget a word or two when writing a giant wall of text. I mean if you think this ONE missing word confirms him mafia then why the fuck don't you think Mocsta who was caught lying about his entire read on Acro isn't mafia? :D No. He actually has a point. It isn't in the big post where he "forgot the word". He literally posted Oats as a scumread and then used the same justification to post Oats as a not-a-scumread. This is backed up a bit later when Oats has disappeared off his scum list completely: Show nested quote +On March 05 2019 05:07 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On March 05 2019 05:05 Acrofales wrote:On March 05 2019 05:03 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On March 05 2019 05:01 Acrofales wrote:On March 05 2019 05:00 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On March 05 2019 04:54 Acrofales wrote:On March 05 2019 04:45 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
What's with the BH train? If you want to kill a hardcore lurker like that why not use the mayor lynch? I don't see the benefit Because BH is not your typical lurker. IMHO it's like foolishness or sandroba lurking. They hate playing scum, so just don't. Even assuming this is true the only way this makes sense is if we have absolutely no other candidates to lynch. BH has barely defended himself and he's barely posted in the thread which means we barely get any information when we learn his role except maybe who sheeped his vote. I'd rather lynch scum than "information". God, you're really trying to dig yourself into this hole, aren't you? :O No, you'd rather pick an easy lynch based off activity rather than trying to figure out who all the scum are. Lol. Hi pot. Here are my scumreads rn LS Damdred Tictock Trfel I'm fine with lynching any of the four and I want whoever I do lynch to say as much as they can before they die so that maybe I can learn something useful
(People should listen to my scum reads. They are very good.)
Anyway this case is completely bullshit and I stand by my original conclusion:
On March 07 2019 04:30 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2019 04:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Grackaroni can you prove my case on Acrofales is somehow not legit? I'll read through Acro's filter and then respond but my first impression is that it's just a day 1 case of Acro scum reading lots of lurkers that got extended into day 2 out of intertia and it makes me suspect you for pushing it so strongly. I generally agree with Koshi's point of view on the first point here: Show nested quote +On March 04 2019 22:21 Koshi wrote:On March 03 2019 06:30 Acrofales wrote:On March 03 2019 03:06 Tictock wrote:On March 02 2019 19:54 rsoultin wrote:
Also, even though I'm using the mayor slot to demonstrate where my townreads are, it's pretty irrelevant. Regardless of who we pick they should just be held accountable for lynching who town wants to lynch -shrugs-
Or are you suggesting rayn that we just leave that to the mayor and not simply use it as a second lynch mechanic? 100% agree with this. Going off this logic Rsoul would be my vote for Mayor. Also, just enjoying this interaction between Rayn and Rsoul. + Show Spoiler +On March 02 2019 20:33 Holyflare wrote:
If anyone cares my reads align with rsoul. I think. Chez suspicious. Guy posting catch ups was it trfel? Seemed mediocre and not any revelations. Iamp piggybacking me suspicious. Don't care if I like what he's said about people non-posting. That's easy to do.
Didn't like rayn that much tbh. He seems to not be saying much but talking in walls of text and circles.
I dunno I'm sorry I'm a bit shit right now but whatever. Pretty sure that's me, and I don't give a shit kus you always seem to hate the way I interact with the game. I also strongly disagree about Rayn, I see him pushing his own thoughts and thinking and explaining why, nothing circular at all. HF seems to be posting to post and I don't like it, but it's not really a scum read right now. It's just him coasting. + Show Spoiler +On March 02 2019 20:35 rsoultin wrote:
Like for me it breaks down like this:
You've got trolling people. You've got lurking people. You've got lazy people. You've got some overly aggressives that aren't giving me warm fuzzies (MP). You've got people I'm not sure about who when I'm not sure about them have a nasty habit of being scum (Rayn) but because he's burned me so often I'm not sure if that's not where the uncertainty's coming from.
And then you have seemingly excited to play, I respect the shit out of his intelligence Chez playing but not saying anything interesting. That first group can hide a lot of bad town play. But doing something without doing anything ticks off my scum meter to a higher degree. Rsoul is starting to convince me... Idk. I don't particularly want to lynch Chez myself but I get where her read is coming from, and I am not opposed to a Chez lynch. #540Bloody's entry doesn't jive well with me, but mostly due to their reads being pretty opposite to my own. I can sorta see the logic in Bloody's reads, but it's very much in a scum-range of what to post to enter the game. Gut read leans scum, but I think deserves more to be on my watch list.
Speaking of my Watch List, I think it's something like this right now: Meap Grack Jock Mr. Wiggles Acro Bloddy HF (just not comfortable with him just floating around the game making no impact, yet being relatively present) Rels is also close to being on this list for "playing" but only making a "Hi" post then laughing at something rayn did. He only escapes this list because I know he has actively avoided playing D1 as town in recent games. It's the fact that he tried to play a little but didn't actually that almost has him on it. I don't agree with much of this, but I do like the post. 1) Rsoultin is posting easy reads and not actually doing much poking. I don't know how she'd go on anybody's town reads so far, and definitely nowhere near mayor material. 2) Cobbler posted some reads and something provocative, and gave time for them to answer. I liked his first post and will wait for more. The fact that he's aggressive seems fine. Not going to do anything meta with it, because the last time I played mafia is probably 4 years ago or so and while I remember playing with Cobbler I can't for the life of me remember his alignment. I do remember him being aggressive tho, but not abusive. 3) Everybody should be on your watch list. We are not even halfway though D1... but if I take it to mean a list of people who are posting suspiciously, the only ones I agree with is Grack. I don't understand the list anyway without justifications. Grack made a useless list post as first entry and then fucked off again. It seemed quite a lot like scum doing stuff to "seem active". And I remember Grack being quite a useful player, so I agree with you there. The rest? Haven't even seen a post by Wiggles, Meepack seems no worse than most people, and Jock I'd say more clueless town than anything else. Cobbler see above, and HF actually seems to be trying some things too. Acrofoles is not mafia because he said that he doesnt agree with the post but liked it a lot. This is a clear contradiction that most likely a townoe would make. Mafia would not like it and attack it. I also like the part he attacks a lot of people with minimal commitment. Looks like town calling how he sees it, while mafia wants to make friends and not attack people.Also Acrofoles has 4 pages of filter. So why kill him d1 lol. Kill scrubs. I read 1 post of Acrofoles and decided he is most likely town and if he isnt should be left alive anyway.
Big scum points to Rayn for pushing it today. The only thing in there that's valid came from day 1 when Acro got a lot of votes for attacking lots of lurkers.
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