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if hf is town here is mafia really that big of pussies not to push him here? I dont really think slam and vivax are mafia. I dont think tt or wave are mafia. I dont see any mafia on hf
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On March 06 2019 23:44 Acrofales wrote:Because the ninja vote is on the right train, I'm gonna let it slide:
You bothering about this will make me fos you if he flips town
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On March 06 2019 18:52 Tubesock wrote:
I’m 180ing on my Acrofales townread. I think the anger at HF is faked and made to look like he has a legitimate reason to lynch HF. I don’t see how someone can be that angry about something that they knew would happen. HF said he’d kill Palmar most the day, it was pretty clear. I’d expect the anger at the HF voters, where it should go. (Exactly like the trump wall).
People often say that people do things are either stupid or mafia. If Acrofales really thought HF was mafia, he’d just be spouting how HF is mafia with evidence, and the voters are the retards. But no, he knows HF is town, so he’ll say let’s kill him for being antiTown. I’d rather a town HF that fucks up, than a dead town HF. Plus, that would have been such a great play if Palmar was mafia. Would have been an epic play in the last tl game.
Wiggles, you’ve been scumming me since before I even scummed Trfel. Yet you’ve never voted me. Why not? You seem pretty convinced, you have some others who agree. Think about what you say because I’m going to have great satisfaction copy and pasting things from your case on me in my defense.
On March 04 2019 13:35 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
It's never too late for another wagon!
On March 04 2019 13:36 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
##Vote: Tubesock
Try a little harder?
Most activity happens when I'm asleep or at work. No one else liked the wagon that day, so I hopped off.
There's more pressing stuff going on today than you. Just remember I haven't forgotten you're here 
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I could waver on this depending on who pushes him over the top. But there are no clear mafia pushing hf and he still needs to die
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On March 06 2019 18:34 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2019 18:31 Blazinghand wrote:On March 06 2019 17:40 BloodyC0bbler wrote:List of reads. Joy boys and girls its time for a BC analysis post. Lets start this off with a fun person that everyone should be looking at the moment. All those who don't well, you are bad. Holyflare + Show Spoiler +Shocker I know right? The guy literally led us down a wrong path all fucking game. He has lied by his own admission multiple times. He claimed he would mayor lynch Sentinel, then Palmar. Said he wasn't serious on the Palmar lynch, then says he lies a few hours before deadline and offs Palmar who flips backup cop. He said he shot BH then claimed that he only did so to create tension in the thread. However his outrage about the game being full of blues seems one that an angry mafia could make. The other thing that gets me about his lying is he claims that he couldnt change his mayor vote because it was locked in while being insanely active right at the time the lynch was happening so could have changed it had he wished but claimed On March 05 2019 09:43 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2019 09:42 iamperfection wrote:On March 05 2019 09:41 Holyflare wrote:
for the record if I knew bh was not getting lynched I would have absolutely switched it to him but it was already locked in how is it locked in ? that makes no sense you could have changed I don't think so? I PMd it saying lynch palmar a long time ago when it was called for in the thread and when the deadline came I was told it was palmar selected. Didn't really get given any other opportunity but it is what it is. Unless things have drastically changed since I played this game. If you had any action you could take whatsoever you could change it more than once before a deadline hit. So if this has changed feel free to correct me but until then this is a straight up fucking lie. Next few thing that gets me however that stood out after a filter dive is this. On March 04 2019 00:56 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2019 00:55 rsoultin wrote:
The whole thing where LS's only 'scumread' out of 34 other people is MZ, and then he wants to kill Koshi screams to me of a Koshi that rolled scum and told his buddies to just lynch him.
If LS flips scum, MZ probably is scum, too, so that's three right there. Koshi is confirmed town though so it's ok. On March 04 2019 00:58 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2019 00:56 Holyflare wrote:On March 04 2019 00:55 rsoultin wrote:
The whole thing where LS's only 'scumread' out of 34 other people is MZ, and then he wants to kill Koshi screams to me of a Koshi that rolled scum and told his buddies to just lynch him.
If LS flips scum, MZ probably is scum, too, so that's three right there. Koshi is confirmed town though so it's ok. HOW THE FUCK IS HE CONFIRMED TOWN? HE NEVER FUCKING POSTED THIS ENTIRE GAME? On March 04 2019 00:58 Holyflare wrote:Magic LightningStrike, magic  This exchange right here. How if a player who hasn't posted at that point in time even remotely close to being considered confirmed town? The only way that you would know this is if you actually knew his alignment. Another gem. To discredit Palmar he uses this as one of his reasons to discredit him. On March 04 2019 02:51 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +
The following players had a win percentage of over .500 since the last update (min 5 games). Nice job.
ritoky 6/6 = 100.0000%
Rels 9/13 = 69.2308%
Tumblewood 6/10 = 60.0000%
Calix 3/5 = 60.0000%
Holyflare 13/22 = 59.0909%
raynpelikoneet 8/15 = 53.3333%
Koshi 9/17 = 52.9412%
Can you really trust Palmar as mayor when he's not even top 7? Bashing a player based on stats out of game rather than in game play? If you honestly believe (based on stats) that you are a better player than someone why do you need to bring that up as your reason? Should be good enough to win an election based on pure skill. On March 05 2019 08:23 Holyflare wrote:Arbitrary list. Please tell me which of the ones I haven't read should be read asap. Bit annoying the bottom half of the player list has a lot of scummy people to read. I cba writing anymore so close to deadline. 11) sicklucker 14) Damdred 16) Jockmcplop 18) Vivax 19) [UoN]Sentinel 20) Grackaroni 21) rsoultin 23) Pandain 24) darthfoley 25) Conversion 29) Meapak_Ziphh 31) BloodyC0bbler 33) Alakaslam 35) Rels TownKoshiiamperfection
Town-ishtubesock (Could be wrong on him but his filter seems clean and he's making his own conclusions (albeit just on trfel, but trfel is the new flavour of the month and he was first so looks ok) Fecalfeast (Don't hate anything he's said. In fact on page 2 of his filter everything he says there kind of aligns with what I've been thinking. His vote platform seems carefree and like he doesn't really give a shit, just wants to do his own thing. Very acro focused but not in an awful way. Content seems minimal though so he's not up at town.
NullOnegu (legit has done 0 things) Mr. Wiggles (seems resolute in looking at unturned stones, could just be blending but seems ok(?) Asked me to look into one of the T guys (tube?) but he didn't look bad in his filter at all so dropped to null) WaveofShadow I want to believe Wave has a lack of emotion but he's done this exact thing of lurking and feigning before. I'd find it hard to motivate myself if I rolled mafia in this big game after a massive break like him too He hasn't got anything to go on really. Scummy just appearing. Ace (Really has achieved not much. Voted me for mayor which is a big + and the things he says aren't not-towny in a vacuum but until he reaches a conclusion and votes not a placeholder for lynch there's really nothing to go on. Has weird posts in relation to BH when he hasn't really commented on much of the game apart from that) Oatsmaster (don't hate his new direction - which is still seemingly every direction - but he's digging at least) Tictock (This would absolutely be in the lower categories if it wasn't for his big appeal to emotion post against me which I have a big weakness for. I don't like that he decided to do the catch up style this game. He misses questions aimed towards him, gave up the style and ignored the pages in between. His logic has been wonky on a lot of people's posts and he seems to make a determined decision on someone's alignment and then make a narrative without weighing up both sides. But that AtE post though....) ExO_ When reading through the thread there was a discussion that exo was present for and he kept asking random questions and not really interacting with it and I voted him for it. Upon reading his filter I got a completely different clean impression so he's in a null placeholder until I re-read that whole time he was in thread.
Scum-ishTumblewood (looks very low effort, may be mistaken on this though but it's a lot of questions that don't end up much of anywhere and lots of seemingly sentiment following on mayor lynches) Trfel (Feel disgusting doing this (putting him in null) after he scum reads sentinel for something that happened almost 72 hours ago but I don't think he says he doesn't think Oats is posting like mafia and then backtracks and votes for him as mafia. That seems like something he'd be too self conscious to do. But then he says things like "oats (pressure vote)" as if he never meant it so this started as null but it's actually now scum-ish) Acrofales (This dude has looked scummy quite a lot. First was when he said he was sheeping Palmar because he trusted him more to find scum while scum reading the person I wanted to lynch. Then he said I didn't look that great because I was scum reading Oats for bad reasons and then he made a list of why Oats was scum which was entirely made up of my reasons. Then I said I scum read rayn and he said he doesn't scum read rayn. When Palmar came with a bs reason to scum read rayn Acro basically reneged on his plan to vote me because he agreed that Rayn looked like mafia when nothing from rayn had happened in between. Every time I think about these occurrences it makes me want to drop him down further. Don't ask me why I don't. He has ok looking breakthroughs every now and again) raynpelikoneet Talked through me. Ignroed rsoultin. Disappeared and reappeared to appeal to me and vote palmar/(think he disliked acro too). Conflicted heavily at the moment.
ScumBlazinghand (No RNG, no posts of content. Just doing whatever to seem like the good towny martyr. I think I've seen him do this exact play before as mafia.) Mocsta (This dude, does anyone know where his head is at? I sure don't. He +1s my post scum reading Palmar, gets in a shit show with Palmar and then somehow bows down to him after having a meltdown like 2.4 seconds before over Palmar's really weak Conversion read????????????? Just read his filter progression with me and Palmar and be prepared to go "What?") Palmar - (wishy washy Iamp post, wishy washy Acro post. I call him out that he has no solid scum reads and he has to hunker down and scum read someone. Defaults to Sentinel still, can't see any motivation from sentinel other than scum motivation. He then makes some bs analysis of the wagons acknowledging that his wagon is the most scum motivated one to follow but doesn't use that to reevaluate anything and doesn't question which of the people on the wagon are scummy. He defends Pandain who has literally posted nothing but coaching. This whole post to town read Damdred is so unnecessarily OTT it's ridiculous https://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/542541-end-of-the-world-party-mafia?page=88#1750Makes a movement for Rayn to be mafia based on Rayn's activity which hasn't meant anything since a long time now. Doesn't even get what Rayn said correct. Doesn't even know what Damdred/Rsoul posted about LS. Not interested in figuring out game, instead tried to use others to prove his point. Wants to vote Conversion because Conversion was lazy but attributes it to mafia motivation instead of just someone being lazy. That's the crux of his entire read. Fakes some floundering on it when Conversion posts some irl excuse, seems pretty forced. After nothing in between Conversion drops off max scum vote list and is replaced with lurker and policy lynch. Not great at all.) LightningStrike (No scum reads. Only mentioned MZ once or twice but never really actually said anything about him of substance. Rage quit from the thread but still votes and still afks in the background. He finds it really hard to write scum reads as scum because it's against his nature. He hasn't done the characteristic "these two are fighting so one of them is mafia" post that he always does as town. He hasn't really given anything to go on. Rage seemed forced. He's fucking voting Palmar, jeeeeezzuusss.) Chezinu (This is without reading his filter and just off memory alone. He does not seem to be having fun, his RP posts are quite devoid of anything entertaining. He's been trying to determine if I'm blue. He has been actually posting reads and being serious which is a complete juxtaposition to any time I've ever ever seen Chezinu been town (or really mafia either) but from what I can see there seems to be agenda in Chez. I will update this on actually reading him because I can't remember a single one of his reads. Now you may look at this and go “wtf why choose this post” However look at it. His confirmed 100% town were both capped and flipped green but one of his strongest scum reads and heavily leaned scum reads both flipped town. Meaning the only place he has been correct is where he places town reads. 1 of which he had a read on 100% before the player posted. Seems super fucking fishy. She was on my radar day 1 as well. This shouldn't be a surprise. 1) She makes posts like this On March 02 2019 20:35 rsoultin wrote:
Like for me it breaks down like this:
You've got trolling people. You've got lurking people. You've got lazy people. You've got some overly aggressives that aren't giving me warm fuzzies (MP). You've got people I'm not sure about who when I'm not sure about them have a nasty habit of being scum (Rayn) but because he's burned me so often I'm not sure if that's not where the uncertainty's coming from.
And then you have seemingly excited to play, I respect the shit out of his intelligence Chez playing but not saying anything interesting. That first group can hide a lot of bad town play. But doing something without doing anything ticks off my scum meter to a higher degree. Now what gets me from this is the characterization that Chez wasn't saying anything interesting. He was roleplaying sure, but he also had a string of very useful posts that weren't roleplay at all. As someone who dislikes lazy people, and trolling people perhaps doing a proper analysis of someones posting history to that point would you know? Non hypocritical. On March 02 2019 20:58 rsoultin wrote:
What are your reads that don't matter BC? This was another read flag for me. A read that doesn't matter? Why would you ever want someone to actively give you information that is useless? Anyone can give a read but to provide no substance or reasoning for it is just useless and scummy. Asking for that info is just as bad. Now the next things for me are this. Chez is her #1 scum read. Rather than heavily pushing this (will admit she made an analysis post on him) She then waffles off wanting to off him (no real reason I could spot) then starts randomly sheeping other peoples reads On March 04 2019 16:37 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2019 16:30 ExO_ wrote:On March 03 2019 20:12 Palmar wrote:To be fair I mostly like Acro just for these two posts. They're the logical way to play the game. Kill the policy lynch, continue playing. On March 03 2019 17:09 Acrofales wrote:
Enters Palmar: he claims to feel strongly about killing sent. So let him do it. All you need to decide is if Palmar is townie enough. But if we decide Palmar is townie enough to be mayor then he is free to kill whoever he likes. He sticks with sentinel and sentinel flips scum? We win, yay! Sheep Palmar into Armageddon. Sentinel flips town? We figure out if Palmars policy lynch is an ideological thing or a scum thing. Either way, we get information about Palmar out of this, which is a great thing to get out of D1.
On March 03 2019 17:11 Acrofales wrote:
Oh, also, if sent was actually playing and being townie, I'd be more inclined to want him to live. But he has used this "foil" to be an attention whore and cop out of doing anything else so far. Not town play. @Palmar, let's assume Acro is the leading lynch candidate but your vote could choose somebody else to lynch. Who would you lynch instead of Acro, that isn't Sent? Palmar's entire post history seems to be super focused on this policy lynch of Sent -- that's it. Town Reads HF, Town Reads Acro. He's not wanting to scum hunt on day 1, but go all in on a policy lynch. I don't think I mind having a strong conviction about the policy lynch, but I think I do mind only green reading other people and only pushing your one policy lynch. I think Palmar is scum. I like Rayn's read on Palmar, ironically, cause I think they're both scum. Palmar not playing on a weekend is Palmar-y. Palmar playing is Palmar-y. This half and half stuff I wouldn't trust with a 10-foot pole and I hate how much support he's gotten. I also hate that some of that is probably from shit town who just see the shiny name and go oh, Palmar, he's a god, let's check our brains at the door. -cocks head at- So you've decided to play rather than whine about people saying a person who was only posting images was a good vig target? So this post just makes me want to facepalm. Why? Because she basically just said because its Palmar hes mafia. Because he has any support hes mafia. More important she is bothered by the name he has and blames shit town for trying to vote him into the slot of mayor. Now we know that Palmar flipped town. So those people that voted for him clearly arent as shit as this read of hers is. Next thing with this is she doesn't decide to hard push her own reads instead she SHEEPS unto the BH bandwagon. The thing that gets me about this is this. SHE SAYS SHE THINKS HE IS TOWN AND STILL WANTS TO LYNCH HIM. Why the fuck do you ever want to kill a town read? Like seriously. Why would you lynch someone you believe to be town. She has scumreads for fucks sake. Was active enough to push them. Instead lets push a town read for information because the potential information is better than offing a scum. Jesus fuck. To go along with what I just said On March 06 2019 04:15 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2019 04:12 iamperfection wrote:On March 06 2019 04:03 rsoultin wrote:On March 06 2019 04:02 iamperfection wrote:On March 06 2019 04:01 rsoultin wrote:
Also, for the record, though I'm mocking the auto-lynch mindset perpetuated by people who can't think for themselves, a BH flip is still best for everyone and 100% should be facilitated before day phase so the idiots can have a chance to check their idiocy. Not that I'm holding my breath. You want to lynch someone you think is town...,.......................... . Yes that's what this post clearly meant good job proving why it's pointless for me to explain reads with this level of reading comprehension floating around the thread. I just see things so scummy sometimes that I stare at my phone in disbelief. You suggesting to lynch someone that is town to help clear the air is either scum motivated at best and at worst idiotic. l2r That post imo also sheds potential like on Iamp being killed. To my reading he was the only one to call her out for it.. Clearly a scum IMO.
This is mainly from a filter dive. Everything in it screams of someone coming in and skirting activity while posting nothing of substance. Hell he never comes into the thread and express a real reason or read to his vote on Trfel. Just sheeped onto it like nothing ever happened.
Hell the only real time Tumblewood even expressed a read on Trfel it was a town read. So he sheeped a wagon to off a person he believed was town. Again, no fucking reason to do this ever. Clearly red.
Whatever the particulars of the bad Palmar scumread, I still think this is easily the most compelling reason for the HF scum case: On March 06 2019 09:38 Blazinghand wrote:
HF why did you claim a shot on me?
Here's a theory as to why HF did this. It is because he is scum.
In the Scum QT:
Holyflare: Hey guys, the deadline is coming up. We know a vigi is going to shoot Blazinghand, and then probably claim after the daypost.
Other Scums: yeah, sounds accurate to me.
Holyflare: then Blazinghand will flip town, and i'm going to look real bad.
Other Scums: oh no!
Holyflare: ok, but here's the plan. I'm going to, right before the end of the night, with second on the clock, claim that I'm the vigi and am shooting BH.
Other Scums: why would you do this HF? we're not shooting BH...
Holflare: see, a vigi is going to shoot Blazinghand, and I will get autolynched D2 unless I can pose as the vigi who shot him. This will allow me to get in one more mislynch, as people will trust me. If the real vigi counterclaims, that's still a better situation than if I never claimed in the first place and just let myself get autolynched.
Other Scums: good idea
Then, for some reason, I didn't get shot, and now HF has to just pretend he never claimed he was shooting me HF has largely abandoned his provably false ideas of "well, I couldn't change the mayor lynch" given the way the mayor lynch is received mechanically and the fact he was in thread and watched and commented on the shenannnies as they went down. Just for killing Palmar is he scum? eh, maybe not. But for lying about it, then slithering away from the lie when called out? oh yeah baby I will quite literally quote my mod PM post game to prove it. Please stop posting this trash. I stand by my statement that it was locked in before I could say anything.
Nobody should believe this part unless the hosts post something in the thread. And holyflare has shown no interest in actually prodding them to do that so I can only assume it’s a lie
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There are a LOT of people who haven't voted yet.
On March 07 2019 01:37 sicklucker wrote:
if hf is town here is mafia really that big of pussies not to push him here? I dont really think slam and vivax are mafia. I dont think tt or wave are mafia. I dont see any mafia on hf
I do like this point and makes me lean town on SL. Not 100% sure of everyone on the wagon here but I actually do feel good that people haven't piled on because it makes me think mafia are feeling things out
Translates to majority of mafia haven't voted yet
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I think this should be a goal for the day.
I want people to commit to something.
NOW.
Hey Wiggles, you're here, where's your vote going, buddeh?
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hf who do you think is pushing your lynch that you think is mafia. if none are why do you think that
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On March 07 2019 01:42 sicklucker wrote:
hf who do you think is pushing your lynch that you think is mafia. if none are why do you think that
I'm not sure if HF thinks this, I think Rayn thinks this so either way I'm interested in this kind of analysis.
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On March 06 2019 20:34 Holyflare wrote:
Imagine thinking bh is mafia but then not voting him when you get the most information about d1 wagons.
Imagine killing the other mayor wagon and complaining that you couldn’t change your vote
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On March 06 2019 21:52 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2019 21:13 rsoultin wrote:
My goal, for anyone who cares, is to work toward a consensus for a counter lynch to HF. I'm a bit distracted with our new house guest and other things but by the end of today (not the day phase) I'll have reread the game and everyone's intentions around the voting and put forth some scumreads as options.
Anyone else with options is absolutely encouraged to voice them. Ace is one of those. I've put forth Tube pending a reread. Onegu's been mentioned.
I'll try to keep an eye on the thread to discuss with anyone who wants to discuss.
And I'd encourage those of you who are town and determined to lynch HF because either you think he's scum or 'has to go' to stop engaging. We know your point of view. It's boring and getting in the way. You can imagine what we're doing is a scum scramble and call us all mafia for considering alternatives. Let HF focus on the game. If you want to discuss other reads be my guest.
Obviously can't enforce this but in the scenario where HF is town (which I believe) it minimizes scum's ability to goad him into uselessness and make this day a complete wash. This is good.
Why is giving us advice good play WoS? Literally says nothing in a lot of words
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On March 07 2019 01:31 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Why HF over BH, slam?
Because HF is actively being too defensive and too heartily defended, at this point, while the dead hate him
Hell I don’t even need other reasons now
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On March 07 2019 01:31 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2019 17:24 Holyflare wrote:
The people voting me are on the biggest cop out lynch of 2019. I bet they're the same people that whined that BH didn't get shot too.
What benefit does my flip bring other than drawing you closer to end game? BH at least gives you the information about wagons. I'm also pumping out content comparatively to BH who is just sitting there with the most information in the game about his wagon and instead he's still just repeating to kill him. You may not agree with what I'm writing but that's your choice.
You can look at MZ's spreadsheet to see how stupid lynching palmar would have been if I was mafia. I'm not stupid as mafia, I demand thread consensus and people town reading me because it's the path of least resistance.
I will look into you Holyflare voters and if I see that you complained that BH isn't dead I will know your motivation about lynching me is completely feigned. Literally wanna lynch holyflare off this post alone Just for giggles, who would you have lynched if you were mafia holyflare?
BH if he was town. I would have fabricated a read on someone else if he was mafia.
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Like...this is SUCH a good point by SL this opened up a huge window for me
Town throw their vote on because it pressures and helps discern answers, makes them more easily readable. You could argue throwing your vote on HF doesn't do either of things right now, but even then not everyone is going to be voting HF today. Where are all the people who have reads on other people? Why are they not using their essential voice?
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On March 07 2019 01:43 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2019 20:34 Holyflare wrote:
Imagine thinking bh is mafia but then not voting him when you get the most information about d1 wagons. Imagine killing the other mayor wagon and complaining that you couldn’t change your vote
And, again, why don't you acknowledge the fact I can easily modkill myself to prove this as the case?
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Hell why aren't more people even just tossing their vote on HF and fucking off?
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Acro's town even though I disagree with him about a ton of crap. His motivations and reactions seem pretty genuine. I don't like that part of the Rayn case is that he's being active in the thread, so we better kill him before he drowns out the voices of town. Acro's being scum read by a bunch of people and hasn't been able to push too much, influence-wise. With that in mind, I really don't see what Rayn's saying happening. Sounds like fear-mongering.
Vivax reads pretty solidly town to me
Rsoultin reads town
I've been reading HF as town for most of the game, so I'm hesitant to kill him. The strongest argument seems to be that without this lynch the game can't move forward for a bunch of people. I'll have to re-read and find the people saying this tonight to see if I can tell what their motivation really is. Sounds like an easy scum thing to say, "Well, guess I'll stop playing until this guy's dead!". I'll be looking for that in the posts up until now.
I don't get how Ace is a higher target for a counter-wagon based on how inactive he's been. It seems like we've got some bigger fish to fry today, and given his complete lack of influence I don't think he's a huge threat to town. Maybe he'll come in today and incriminate himself, but I'm willing to hold off.
From the more active people I'd have to peg rayn as being most likely to be scum. That's a gut read based on my thread read, I'll try to dig through him later. I don't agree with his Acro push, as stated above.
You know my thoughts on some other people:
BC
Tubesock
Leaning red on FF, but not a high-priority right now.
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On March 07 2019 01:46 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2019 01:43 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 06 2019 20:34 Holyflare wrote:
Imagine thinking bh is mafia but then not voting him when you get the most information about d1 wagons. Imagine killing the other mayor wagon and complaining that you couldn’t change your vote And, again, why don't you acknowledge the fact I can easily modkill myself to prove this as the case?
Honestly I'm as frustrated as you are by everyone continually bringing this up.
Oats and everyone else, fuck off with this point and move on.
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On March 07 2019 01:40 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2019 18:34 Holyflare wrote:On March 06 2019 18:31 Blazinghand wrote:On March 06 2019 17:40 BloodyC0bbler wrote:List of reads. Joy boys and girls its time for a BC analysis post. Lets start this off with a fun person that everyone should be looking at the moment. All those who don't well, you are bad. Holyflare + Show Spoiler +Shocker I know right? The guy literally led us down a wrong path all fucking game. He has lied by his own admission multiple times. He claimed he would mayor lynch Sentinel, then Palmar. Said he wasn't serious on the Palmar lynch, then says he lies a few hours before deadline and offs Palmar who flips backup cop. He said he shot BH then claimed that he only did so to create tension in the thread. However his outrage about the game being full of blues seems one that an angry mafia could make. The other thing that gets me about his lying is he claims that he couldnt change his mayor vote because it was locked in while being insanely active right at the time the lynch was happening so could have changed it had he wished but claimed On March 05 2019 09:43 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2019 09:42 iamperfection wrote:On March 05 2019 09:41 Holyflare wrote:
for the record if I knew bh was not getting lynched I would have absolutely switched it to him but it was already locked in how is it locked in ? that makes no sense you could have changed I don't think so? I PMd it saying lynch palmar a long time ago when it was called for in the thread and when the deadline came I was told it was palmar selected. Didn't really get given any other opportunity but it is what it is. Unless things have drastically changed since I played this game. If you had any action you could take whatsoever you could change it more than once before a deadline hit. So if this has changed feel free to correct me but until then this is a straight up fucking lie. Next few thing that gets me however that stood out after a filter dive is this. On March 04 2019 00:56 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2019 00:55 rsoultin wrote:
The whole thing where LS's only 'scumread' out of 34 other people is MZ, and then he wants to kill Koshi screams to me of a Koshi that rolled scum and told his buddies to just lynch him.
If LS flips scum, MZ probably is scum, too, so that's three right there. Koshi is confirmed town though so it's ok. On March 04 2019 00:58 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2019 00:56 Holyflare wrote:On March 04 2019 00:55 rsoultin wrote:
The whole thing where LS's only 'scumread' out of 34 other people is MZ, and then he wants to kill Koshi screams to me of a Koshi that rolled scum and told his buddies to just lynch him.
If LS flips scum, MZ probably is scum, too, so that's three right there. Koshi is confirmed town though so it's ok. HOW THE FUCK IS HE CONFIRMED TOWN? HE NEVER FUCKING POSTED THIS ENTIRE GAME? On March 04 2019 00:58 Holyflare wrote:Magic LightningStrike, magic This exchange right here. How if a player who hasn't posted at that point in time even remotely close to being considered confirmed town? The only way that you would know this is if you actually knew his alignment. Another gem. To discredit Palmar he uses this as one of his reasons to discredit him. On March 04 2019 02:51 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +
The following players had a win percentage of over .500 since the last update (min 5 games). Nice job.
ritoky 6/6 = 100.0000%
Rels 9/13 = 69.2308%
Tumblewood 6/10 = 60.0000%
Calix 3/5 = 60.0000%
Holyflare 13/22 = 59.0909%
raynpelikoneet 8/15 = 53.3333%
Koshi 9/17 = 52.9412%
Can you really trust Palmar as mayor when he's not even top 7? Bashing a player based on stats out of game rather than in game play? If you honestly believe (based on stats) that you are a better player than someone why do you need to bring that up as your reason? Should be good enough to win an election based on pure skill. On March 05 2019 08:23 Holyflare wrote:Arbitrary list. Please tell me which of the ones I haven't read should be read asap. Bit annoying the bottom half of the player list has a lot of scummy people to read. I cba writing anymore so close to deadline. 11) sicklucker 14) Damdred 16) Jockmcplop 18) Vivax 19) [UoN]Sentinel 20) Grackaroni 21) rsoultin 23) Pandain 24) darthfoley 25) Conversion 29) Meapak_Ziphh 31) BloodyC0bbler 33) Alakaslam 35) Rels TownKoshiiamperfection
Town-ishtubesock (Could be wrong on him but his filter seems clean and he's making his own conclusions (albeit just on trfel, but trfel is the new flavour of the month and he was first so looks ok) Fecalfeast (Don't hate anything he's said. In fact on page 2 of his filter everything he says there kind of aligns with what I've been thinking. His vote platform seems carefree and like he doesn't really give a shit, just wants to do his own thing. Very acro focused but not in an awful way. Content seems minimal though so he's not up at town.
NullOnegu (legit has done 0 things) Mr. Wiggles (seems resolute in looking at unturned stones, could just be blending but seems ok(?) Asked me to look into one of the T guys (tube?) but he didn't look bad in his filter at all so dropped to null) WaveofShadow I want to believe Wave has a lack of emotion but he's done this exact thing of lurking and feigning before. I'd find it hard to motivate myself if I rolled mafia in this big game after a massive break like him too He hasn't got anything to go on really. Scummy just appearing. Ace (Really has achieved not much. Voted me for mayor which is a big + and the things he says aren't not-towny in a vacuum but until he reaches a conclusion and votes not a placeholder for lynch there's really nothing to go on. Has weird posts in relation to BH when he hasn't really commented on much of the game apart from that) Oatsmaster (don't hate his new direction - which is still seemingly every direction - but he's digging at least) Tictock (This would absolutely be in the lower categories if it wasn't for his big appeal to emotion post against me which I have a big weakness for. I don't like that he decided to do the catch up style this game. He misses questions aimed towards him, gave up the style and ignored the pages in between. His logic has been wonky on a lot of people's posts and he seems to make a determined decision on someone's alignment and then make a narrative without weighing up both sides. But that AtE post though....) ExO_ When reading through the thread there was a discussion that exo was present for and he kept asking random questions and not really interacting with it and I voted him for it. Upon reading his filter I got a completely different clean impression so he's in a null placeholder until I re-read that whole time he was in thread.
Scum-ishTumblewood (looks very low effort, may be mistaken on this though but it's a lot of questions that don't end up much of anywhere and lots of seemingly sentiment following on mayor lynches) Trfel (Feel disgusting doing this (putting him in null) after he scum reads sentinel for something that happened almost 72 hours ago but I don't think he says he doesn't think Oats is posting like mafia and then backtracks and votes for him as mafia. That seems like something he'd be too self conscious to do. But then he says things like "oats (pressure vote)" as if he never meant it so this started as null but it's actually now scum-ish) Acrofales (This dude has looked scummy quite a lot. First was when he said he was sheeping Palmar because he trusted him more to find scum while scum reading the person I wanted to lynch. Then he said I didn't look that great because I was scum reading Oats for bad reasons and then he made a list of why Oats was scum which was entirely made up of my reasons. Then I said I scum read rayn and he said he doesn't scum read rayn. When Palmar came with a bs reason to scum read rayn Acro basically reneged on his plan to vote me because he agreed that Rayn looked like mafia when nothing from rayn had happened in between. Every time I think about these occurrences it makes me want to drop him down further. Don't ask me why I don't. He has ok looking breakthroughs every now and again) raynpelikoneet Talked through me. Ignroed rsoultin. Disappeared and reappeared to appeal to me and vote palmar/(think he disliked acro too). Conflicted heavily at the moment.
ScumBlazinghand (No RNG, no posts of content. Just doing whatever to seem like the good towny martyr. I think I've seen him do this exact play before as mafia.) Mocsta (This dude, does anyone know where his head is at? I sure don't. He +1s my post scum reading Palmar, gets in a shit show with Palmar and then somehow bows down to him after having a meltdown like 2.4 seconds before over Palmar's really weak Conversion read????????????? Just read his filter progression with me and Palmar and be prepared to go "What?") Palmar - (wishy washy Iamp post, wishy washy Acro post. I call him out that he has no solid scum reads and he has to hunker down and scum read someone. Defaults to Sentinel still, can't see any motivation from sentinel other than scum motivation. He then makes some bs analysis of the wagons acknowledging that his wagon is the most scum motivated one to follow but doesn't use that to reevaluate anything and doesn't question which of the people on the wagon are scummy. He defends Pandain who has literally posted nothing but coaching. This whole post to town read Damdred is so unnecessarily OTT it's ridiculous https://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/542541-end-of-the-world-party-mafia?page=88#1750Makes a movement for Rayn to be mafia based on Rayn's activity which hasn't meant anything since a long time now. Doesn't even get what Rayn said correct. Doesn't even know what Damdred/Rsoul posted about LS. Not interested in figuring out game, instead tried to use others to prove his point. Wants to vote Conversion because Conversion was lazy but attributes it to mafia motivation instead of just someone being lazy. That's the crux of his entire read. Fakes some floundering on it when Conversion posts some irl excuse, seems pretty forced. After nothing in between Conversion drops off max scum vote list and is replaced with lurker and policy lynch. Not great at all.) LightningStrike (No scum reads. Only mentioned MZ once or twice but never really actually said anything about him of substance. Rage quit from the thread but still votes and still afks in the background. He finds it really hard to write scum reads as scum because it's against his nature. He hasn't done the characteristic "these two are fighting so one of them is mafia" post that he always does as town. He hasn't really given anything to go on. Rage seemed forced. He's fucking voting Palmar, jeeeeezzuusss.) Chezinu (This is without reading his filter and just off memory alone. He does not seem to be having fun, his RP posts are quite devoid of anything entertaining. He's been trying to determine if I'm blue. He has been actually posting reads and being serious which is a complete juxtaposition to any time I've ever ever seen Chezinu been town (or really mafia either) but from what I can see there seems to be agenda in Chez. I will update this on actually reading him because I can't remember a single one of his reads. Now you may look at this and go “wtf why choose this post” However look at it. His confirmed 100% town were both capped and flipped green but one of his strongest scum reads and heavily leaned scum reads both flipped town. Meaning the only place he has been correct is where he places town reads. 1 of which he had a read on 100% before the player posted. Seems super fucking fishy. She was on my radar day 1 as well. This shouldn't be a surprise. 1) She makes posts like this On March 02 2019 20:35 rsoultin wrote:
Like for me it breaks down like this:
You've got trolling people. You've got lurking people. You've got lazy people. You've got some overly aggressives that aren't giving me warm fuzzies (MP). You've got people I'm not sure about who when I'm not sure about them have a nasty habit of being scum (Rayn) but because he's burned me so often I'm not sure if that's not where the uncertainty's coming from.
And then you have seemingly excited to play, I respect the shit out of his intelligence Chez playing but not saying anything interesting. That first group can hide a lot of bad town play. But doing something without doing anything ticks off my scum meter to a higher degree. Now what gets me from this is the characterization that Chez wasn't saying anything interesting. He was roleplaying sure, but he also had a string of very useful posts that weren't roleplay at all. As someone who dislikes lazy people, and trolling people perhaps doing a proper analysis of someones posting history to that point would you know? Non hypocritical. On March 02 2019 20:58 rsoultin wrote:
What are your reads that don't matter BC? This was another read flag for me. A read that doesn't matter? Why would you ever want someone to actively give you information that is useless? Anyone can give a read but to provide no substance or reasoning for it is just useless and scummy. Asking for that info is just as bad. Now the next things for me are this. Chez is her #1 scum read. Rather than heavily pushing this (will admit she made an analysis post on him) She then waffles off wanting to off him (no real reason I could spot) then starts randomly sheeping other peoples reads On March 04 2019 16:37 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2019 16:30 ExO_ wrote:On March 03 2019 20:12 Palmar wrote:To be fair I mostly like Acro just for these two posts. They're the logical way to play the game. Kill the policy lynch, continue playing. On March 03 2019 17:09 Acrofales wrote:
Enters Palmar: he claims to feel strongly about killing sent. So let him do it. All you need to decide is if Palmar is townie enough. But if we decide Palmar is townie enough to be mayor then he is free to kill whoever he likes. He sticks with sentinel and sentinel flips scum? We win, yay! Sheep Palmar into Armageddon. Sentinel flips town? We figure out if Palmars policy lynch is an ideological thing or a scum thing. Either way, we get information about Palmar out of this, which is a great thing to get out of D1.
On March 03 2019 17:11 Acrofales wrote:
Oh, also, if sent was actually playing and being townie, I'd be more inclined to want him to live. But he has used this "foil" to be an attention whore and cop out of doing anything else so far. Not town play. @Palmar, let's assume Acro is the leading lynch candidate but your vote could choose somebody else to lynch. Who would you lynch instead of Acro, that isn't Sent? Palmar's entire post history seems to be super focused on this policy lynch of Sent -- that's it. Town Reads HF, Town Reads Acro. He's not wanting to scum hunt on day 1, but go all in on a policy lynch. I don't think I mind having a strong conviction about the policy lynch, but I think I do mind only green reading other people and only pushing your one policy lynch. I think Palmar is scum. I like Rayn's read on Palmar, ironically, cause I think they're both scum. Palmar not playing on a weekend is Palmar-y. Palmar playing is Palmar-y. This half and half stuff I wouldn't trust with a 10-foot pole and I hate how much support he's gotten. I also hate that some of that is probably from shit town who just see the shiny name and go oh, Palmar, he's a god, let's check our brains at the door. -cocks head at- So you've decided to play rather than whine about people saying a person who was only posting images was a good vig target? So this post just makes me want to facepalm. Why? Because she basically just said because its Palmar hes mafia. Because he has any support hes mafia. More important she is bothered by the name he has and blames shit town for trying to vote him into the slot of mayor. Now we know that Palmar flipped town. So those people that voted for him clearly arent as shit as this read of hers is. Next thing with this is she doesn't decide to hard push her own reads instead she SHEEPS unto the BH bandwagon. The thing that gets me about this is this. SHE SAYS SHE THINKS HE IS TOWN AND STILL WANTS TO LYNCH HIM. Why the fuck do you ever want to kill a town read? Like seriously. Why would you lynch someone you believe to be town. She has scumreads for fucks sake. Was active enough to push them. Instead lets push a town read for information because the potential information is better than offing a scum. Jesus fuck. To go along with what I just said On March 06 2019 04:15 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2019 04:12 iamperfection wrote:On March 06 2019 04:03 rsoultin wrote:On March 06 2019 04:02 iamperfection wrote:On March 06 2019 04:01 rsoultin wrote:
Also, for the record, though I'm mocking the auto-lynch mindset perpetuated by people who can't think for themselves, a BH flip is still best for everyone and 100% should be facilitated before day phase so the idiots can have a chance to check their idiocy. Not that I'm holding my breath. You want to lynch someone you think is town...,.......................... . Yes that's what this post clearly meant good job proving why it's pointless for me to explain reads with this level of reading comprehension floating around the thread. I just see things so scummy sometimes that I stare at my phone in disbelief. You suggesting to lynch someone that is town to help clear the air is either scum motivated at best and at worst idiotic. l2r That post imo also sheds potential like on Iamp being killed. To my reading he was the only one to call her out for it.. Clearly a scum IMO.
This is mainly from a filter dive. Everything in it screams of someone coming in and skirting activity while posting nothing of substance. Hell he never comes into the thread and express a real reason or read to his vote on Trfel. Just sheeped onto it like nothing ever happened.
Hell the only real time Tumblewood even expressed a read on Trfel it was a town read. So he sheeped a wagon to off a person he believed was town. Again, no fucking reason to do this ever. Clearly red.
Whatever the particulars of the bad Palmar scumread, I still think this is easily the most compelling reason for the HF scum case: On March 06 2019 09:38 Blazinghand wrote:
HF why did you claim a shot on me?
Here's a theory as to why HF did this. It is because he is scum.
In the Scum QT:
Holyflare: Hey guys, the deadline is coming up. We know a vigi is going to shoot Blazinghand, and then probably claim after the daypost.
Other Scums: yeah, sounds accurate to me.
Holyflare: then Blazinghand will flip town, and i'm going to look real bad.
Other Scums: oh no!
Holyflare: ok, but here's the plan. I'm going to, right before the end of the night, with second on the clock, claim that I'm the vigi and am shooting BH.
Other Scums: why would you do this HF? we're not shooting BH...
Holflare: see, a vigi is going to shoot Blazinghand, and I will get autolynched D2 unless I can pose as the vigi who shot him. This will allow me to get in one more mislynch, as people will trust me. If the real vigi counterclaims, that's still a better situation than if I never claimed in the first place and just let myself get autolynched.
Other Scums: good idea
Then, for some reason, I didn't get shot, and now HF has to just pretend he never claimed he was shooting me HF has largely abandoned his provably false ideas of "well, I couldn't change the mayor lynch" given the way the mayor lynch is received mechanically and the fact he was in thread and watched and commented on the shenannnies as they went down. Just for killing Palmar is he scum? eh, maybe not. But for lying about it, then slithering away from the lie when called out? oh yeah baby I will quite literally quote my mod PM post game to prove it. Please stop posting this trash. I stand by my statement that it was locked in before I could say anything. Nobody should believe this part unless the hosts post something in the thread. And holyflare has shown no interest in actually prodding them to do that so I can only assume it’s a lie
Can we leave the out-of-game host interactions and meta out of this? I think it's fine to comment on HF back-pedalling a bit on the commitment to the Palmar lynch after the flip, but I'd rather not see modkills for out of game stuff if we can help it.
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