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Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
March 06 2019 15:32 GMT
#4281
On March 04 2019 19:19 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2019 19:06 Acrofales wrote:
On March 04 2019 19:02 Palmar wrote:
Rayn looks pretty bad as well, if only for the fact he's not berating some poor soul right now.

K. I'm comfortable sheeping Palmar. Rayn not being abusive feels like he's trying to fly under the radar.

Now, if you can just vote Oats, I can afk the rest of the day


You're 2 for 2 acro.


On March 04 2019 19:20 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2019 07:29 Acrofales wrote:
On March 04 2019 07:22 Holyflare wrote:
Acro, wave, oats, rayn, chez, ls, mocsta(?) (+a shit tonne of others that elude me) will be the lynch today. There's really so many people I could easily lynch and just not care tbh.

Acro is town.

Wave, oats I'm on board with.

Rayn is a no. Your fight with him didn't give me scum vibes on either of you. Just made me want to tear my hair out.

Chez also a no. He seems fine.

LS I can't figure out, and can't be bothered to right now as I already have enough ppl I want to lynch.

Mocsta said before the game he wouldn't be around and he wasn't around. His few posts don't seem scummy, but he'd better start playing tomorrow.


Mate you really are mafia lol


Ahhhhhhhh
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 06 2019 15:34 GMT
#4282
On March 07 2019 00:28 Holyflare wrote:
He even had to double check how many games with Iamp he played so I think that scum reading iamp thing is a moot point.

fair enough maybe. i just tend to think people who play mafia and are good at it can remember past 2 last minutes. I am gonna do a search on this after work to confirm (or not) in a way or another.

Hypocrite thing is easily done by townies.

yes, but not in this way. if you say "WOT's are scummy because they are useless and noone reads them" and then you proceed to make a WOT its very fucking scummy. And this example is similar to what he did, just in not that obvious way. iamp realised it too.
table for two on a tv tray
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22414 Posts
March 06 2019 15:37 GMT
#4283
Rayn mocsta HF rsoultin jock TS +1 unknown (Oats?Wiggles?Sentinel?)

Could it really be that easy ?
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22414 Posts
March 06 2019 15:37 GMT
#4284
Basically all names that are hard defending HF today either by trying to push for lynch bait instead or just hard townreading him, or both.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22414 Posts
March 06 2019 15:38 GMT
#4285
With the exception of the last 3 ofc.
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9999 Posts
March 06 2019 15:43 GMT
#4286
On March 07 2019 00:37 Vivax wrote:
Rayn mocsta HF rsoultin jock TS +1 unknown (Oats?Wiggles?Sentinel?)

Could it really be that easy ?


Is this your first game too?
RIP Meatloaf <3
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
March 06 2019 15:45 GMT
#4287
On March 07 2019 00:17 Tubesock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2019 00:01 rsoultin wrote:
On March 06 2019 23:58 Tubesock wrote:
On March 06 2019 23:41 rsoultin wrote:
On March 06 2019 23:35 Tubesock wrote:
On March 06 2019 23:11 rsoultin wrote:
@Tube

My initial problem with you was how much time you seemed to be spending on your townreads vs. scumreads with pokes that didn't seem to lead anywhere being the rest of your filter. But on a reread it looks better largely cause I can see the read progression on some of the players.

Can you please explain your read on Palmar D1 and what made you okay with a Conversion lynch?


I didn’t have a Palmar read. He wasn’t doing anything that I could see a mafia not do. Like what you said about HF when he didn’t further antagonize someone and you towned him for it, when if he were mafia he would probably let it go further. It’s a small thing and a subjective thing. These little things when they repeat often enough become a townread. Palmar just wasn’t alive long enough for that to happen for me. I definitely preferred him living and I liked what I saw, but there wasn’t a single thing I saw that mafiaPalmar couldn’t/wouldn’t do. I mean mafiaPalmar generically. I use this metric on most people.

I was essentially null on Conversion. There was the nagging feeling he was truthful on his entrance post (scumclaim) and not much of what he said spoke to me. I was primarily townreading Acrofales.


Then why the vote early game?


I also agreed with the vast majority of things HF said. Plus, I laughed a couple times. I mayored him before I towned him. The conversation you two had about what he’d do as mayor made me comfortable enough to vote him. When he first said he’d shoot Palmar, I dived him for a couple hours then towned him.


Okay. For clarity, I assume you mean you dived HF?


Correct. And Palmar didn’t have much but kill Sentinel.

I already think you’re town so don’t have much to ask. I’m not sold on LS or Damdy being town. But right now my problem is more I think 20ish people can be scum in this game. Are you sure they’re town or tabling for now because it doesn’t matter compared to HF, Acro, Rayn?


LS I'm sure of.

I'm not as sure of Damdy as I'd like to be. The things I was townreading him for he did pretty minimally and the whining which is pretty much a sure thing was very subtle, possibly even enough to be a misinterpretation on my part. I still need to poke back through his filter, but given what I remember I don't think it'll be helpful. He's not a priority for me by any means, though, given his lack of activity is not alignment indicative.
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
March 06 2019 15:51 GMT
#4288
On March 07 2019 00:37 Vivax wrote:
Basically all names that are hard defending HF today either by trying to push for lynch bait instead or just hard townreading him, or both.


Thought experiment. What if you're wrong on HF? ^^

ib4 he says 'I'm not!' after being wrong on conv and iam(?)
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18445 Posts
March 06 2019 16:03 GMT
#4289
I do really like what rsoultin is showing today. I have no idea how a scum rsoultin plays today, but she isn't lurking and she isn't blending. She's doing her own thing, reading the thread. My night read on her may be wrong.

she has played here a lot. Who can I ask about her meta? I really dislike that it doesn't feel like she was pushing anything, and how she ended up on the kill Palmar wagon.

I need some help. If rsoultin can metaread LS so easily, I assume the reverse is true too?

@LS: what do you think of rsoultin? From your filter it looks like you scum her, but it isn't clear why.
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
March 06 2019 16:06 GMT
#4290
On March 07 2019 01:03 Acrofales wrote:
I do really like what rsoultin is showing today. I have no idea how a scum rsoultin plays today, but she isn't lurking and she isn't blending. She's doing her own thing, reading the thread. My night read on her may be wrong.

she has played here a lot. Who can I ask about her meta? I really dislike that it doesn't feel like she was pushing anything, and how she ended up on the kill Palmar wagon.

I need some help. If rsoultin can metaread LS so easily, I assume the reverse is true too?

@LS: what do you think of rsoultin? From your filter it looks like you scum her, but it isn't clear why.


-amused-
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18445 Posts
March 06 2019 16:06 GMT
#4291
On March 07 2019 01:06 rsoultin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2019 01:03 Acrofales wrote:
I do really like what rsoultin is showing today. I have no idea how a scum rsoultin plays today, but she isn't lurking and she isn't blending. She's doing her own thing, reading the thread. My night read on her may be wrong.

she has played here a lot. Who can I ask about her meta? I really dislike that it doesn't feel like she was pushing anything, and how she ended up on the kill Palmar wagon.

I need some help. If rsoultin can metaread LS so easily, I assume the reverse is true too?

@LS: what do you think of rsoultin? From your filter it looks like you scum her, but it isn't clear why.


-amused-

You saying that isn't true?
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
March 06 2019 16:18 GMT
#4292
On March 07 2019 01:06 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2019 01:06 rsoultin wrote:
On March 07 2019 01:03 Acrofales wrote:
I do really like what rsoultin is showing today. I have no idea how a scum rsoultin plays today, but she isn't lurking and she isn't blending. She's doing her own thing, reading the thread. My night read on her may be wrong.

she has played here a lot. Who can I ask about her meta? I really dislike that it doesn't feel like she was pushing anything, and how she ended up on the kill Palmar wagon.

I need some help. If rsoultin can metaread LS so easily, I assume the reverse is true too?

@LS: what do you think of rsoultin? From your filter it looks like you scum her, but it isn't clear why.


-amused-

You saying that isn't true?


I don't have a way to answer that without being mean, other than to say I never factor his read on me in when reading him lol >< From my experience he usually townreads me until someone else scumreads me, then says something like I think she's town but I worried she fooling me :/ and if the person scumreading me is someone he thinks can read me well he tends to sheep -shrugs-

Which is not how it happened this game. But regardless, no, he's not a great judge. Damdred is. Um...I think mocsta caught me when I was scum fairly easy? My scum game has been getting steadily worse. I think DF also has a good thumb on the pulse. HF usually gets suspicious but advocates not lynching me early.

Was it HF reading Tictock scum? Cause frankly I'm not seeing it even being cautious not to be biased in the favor of the guy who literally posted the nicest way to read me I've ever seen lol >< What's the argument?
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
March 06 2019 16:24 GMT
#4293
On March 06 2019 21:54 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2019 21:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I really think we should lynch Acrofales and i don't think anything is going to change my mind this phase anymore. He has now given himself a perfect narrative to do absolutely nothing than sound like a broken record repeating Holyflare is mafia because he did a stupid thing. The problem is if you don't kill him right now even if we lynch another mafia after N2 too many influential players are going to be dead and he will simply yell over anyone who's left and town and you will get irritated and lose interest to play. I know this because it's how i used to play as scum.

Here is a list why Acrofales is mafia:
  • He called out Grackaroni for making a useless list post and then continued doing nothing but listing lurkers / low volume posters for like next 24 hours. Neither of those are in itself necessarily scummy but saying someone is scum for doing a "universal mafia trait" -thing and then doing the same thing yourself is scummy as fuck and never comes from town, you'd have to be the biggest fucking hypocrite on earth to do that.

  • He scumread iamperfection for too long, he should know wayyyyy better regardless of the fact iamp made a case (that everyone should read) on him.

  • During the EoD he wasn't actively trying to do stuff, all he did was yelling and causing chaos. The most notable thing is he perfectly knew both Palmar's and Holyflare's mayor lynch choices don't align with his reads yet never ever during the whole time the debate was on tries he convince either of them to agree on a different lynch. Especially Palmar when they both share a scumread on Mocsta. There is simply no reason why a townie shouldn't care about this.

  • Fake anger after D1 flips and anger directed at wrong place. Tubesock had a good post about this.

  • After D1 Acrofales hasn't done a single productive thing. He has given himself a narrative in calling Holyflare mafia, hiding behind it, and doing nothing else. Even if he genuinely thinks Holyflare is mafia for doing a bad / stupid thing (which isn't even a good reason to scumread someone) it's simply pure mafia play to excuse yourself for not doing anything other than calling him mafia and everyone stupid and bad.


I encourage everyone to put your votes on Acrofales.

All these Lighntingstrikes and Alakaslams need to get their heads out of their asses. Wave if you want to spend the rest of the game with scum 5-years-ago-rayn then be my guest and have your vote on HF as policy but don't complain after the game, especially in case Acrofales at some point decides to call you mafia and wants to have you lynched. You will not like it a single bit. The truth is Holyflare executing his scumread Palmar, however bad or stupid you may think that is, isn't actually even close to a good reasoning of him being mafia.





I agree on the case on Ace. I had more thought on it and i think the fact that he was actually aware of Trfel (or at least looked like he is) suggests that it is more likely he did in fact know what Holyflare was about to do. I know a lot of people are saying Ace is too good as scum to do something like that but i don't believe that is the case. I think Ace decided he can use his activity as an excuse to "not know HF is gonna lynch Palmar", aka that he didn't see it, and did the numbers and thought he can get away with it. Also Ace is not like some fucking mafia god that doesn't make any mistakes.
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I caught him once because scum nuked meapak and i went to fakeclaim the nuke when for any player who doesn't have TMI that nuke never comes from mafia. Ace got confused and started gunning on me being mafia completely ignoring the fact before. And he couldn't even keep his story straight. So yeah, it's not like Ace alwasy does the most optimal play as mafia.


Mr.Wiggles is also mafia but that's for tomorrow.

That's quite a pretty narrative you've spun. It's all quite plausible, as I do believe we have a similar playstyle. It's also completely wrong, as I try to mimick my townplay as scum, and my townplay is what I'm doing right now. So if you build a meta case, at least do it properly.

It's blatantly false that I haven't done anything other than hound HF. I am principally hounding HF, because he needs to die. But saying I haven't done anything else since D1 is absurd. Did you even open my filter to write this case?

But more generally, something changed quite radically in how you're playing the game.
Show nested quote +
The truth is Holyflare executing his scumread Palmar, however bad or stupid you may think that is, isn't actually even close to a good reasoning of him being mafia.

What did you do with the rayn that absolutely always wanted to kill people for doing really dumb shit and would hound them relentlessly. This isn't even about your alignment, as you'd do it as both scum or town. The lack of you hounding people makes it seem like you're not invested at all in the game, which just makes me sad, as you made a case on me without actually puzzling over my filter. You just lazily threw together your "HF town" with "Acro tunneling HF" notes, and made a case for me to be scum, disregarding everything around it. You didn't even bother to double check your "HF town" read even after he shot Palmar and gloated about it.


This so looks like a base level scumslip wtf
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Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
March 06 2019 16:29 GMT
#4294
On March 06 2019 22:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Is there someone else that thinks this Vivax sheeping dead confirmed townies stinks?

HELL NO.

In fact I now have a lynch order assuming a scum flip of HF:

Rayn
Tubesock

For me, that’s damn impressive. I never get this far in solid belief.

No, HF must die or we will argue about it until the cows come home, and your illogical defenses of it are suboptimal play regardless of your alignment.
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
March 06 2019 16:31 GMT
#4295
On March 06 2019 17:24 Holyflare wrote:
The people voting me are on the biggest cop out lynch of 2019. I bet they're the same people that whined that BH didn't get shot too.

What benefit does my flip bring other than drawing you closer to end game? BH at least gives you the information about wagons. I'm also pumping out content comparatively to BH who is just sitting there with the most information in the game about his wagon and instead he's still just repeating to kill him. You may not agree with what I'm writing but that's your choice.

You can look at MZ's spreadsheet to see how stupid lynching palmar would have been if I was mafia. I'm not stupid as mafia, I demand thread consensus and people town reading me because it's the path of least resistance.

I will look into you Holyflare voters and if I see that you complained that BH isn't dead I will know your motivation about lynching me is completely feigned.

Literally wanna lynch holyflare off this post alone

Just for giggles, who would you have lynched if you were mafia holyflare?
No gg, No skill.
Mr. Wiggles
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada5894 Posts
March 06 2019 16:31 GMT
#4296
Why HF over BH, slam?
you gotta dance
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
March 06 2019 16:34 GMT
#4297
On March 06 2019 17:29 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2019 17:28 Mocsta wrote:
Hf

Some point this cycle. Preferably after ace responds. I want ur take on my ace case


I don't agree with it. Why would someone fabled for being so good at mafia make such blatantly false accusations? If he doesn't come up with some read based on those posts then yeah, probably mafia.

Wait a minute, if Ace made blatantly false accusations then he can’t be mafia right because he wouldn’t do it, he’s too good as scum.

But here you are saying that if he doesn’t have an explanation ie. made blatantly false accusations then he’s mafia?! That doesn’t make any sense
No gg, No skill.
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
March 06 2019 16:36 GMT
#4298
On March 06 2019 23:45 Jockmcplop wrote:
Alakaslam explain yourself.
Let's lynch ace. Or sent they are both super scummy.

Sentinel even has a 'scum' t shirt in a frame on his wall the scum that was gifted to him by the only person more scummy than he is.
Which is ace.

Holyflare is scum.
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
March 06 2019 16:36 GMT
#4299
On March 06 2019 17:57 Holyflare wrote:
Anyone that cares.

1) I'll show you post game how the cycle ended so that can be cleared up instantly.

2) BC conveniently leaves out the point about koshi being confirmed by mod confirmation. I started to not believe it eventually but then Koshi played and looked towny anyway. This is cherry picking at its finest lol.

3) I mean Palmar is still not top 7

4) Obviously this was updated by the fact I didn't want to lynch trfel over BH when I thought trfel looked not awful at deadline? Being wrong doesn't mean I'm mafia and neither does having good town reads, which is what I do better than finding mafia.

Actual lies
No gg, No skill.
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
March 06 2019 16:37 GMT
#4300
Wow Rayn has actually shown up to the thread today and it makes me feel good. What took so long?
I haven't looked over the Acro case but the one thing that really bothers me (and I can't keep relating everyone to myself) about Acro even though I'm still sticking with a townread on him is he (and LS to some extent) have made a pretty big show of sheeping me, and I'm not the sheepable type. I'm loud when I can be, so that may make me an attractive target to absolve oneself of responsibility?

Regardless Rayn, you can continue on your crusade but I won't be lynching anyone other HF today unless something really remarkable happens. I will check out your Acro case later on when I'm off work/destressed.
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